SUBJECT: The Issues Forum 06/10/90 - GB UFOs FILE: UFO Bert | Drax | (Its me Jim Speiser) Jerry Woody: Hi Drax and everyone Ted | Hi James! Sysop Georgia Griff: ha Drax | (Well some people dont know my handle) Bert | All set to go here. I have Ed on the line. ga Ted | Tonights special guest is Mr. Ed Walters, the original | photographer of the Gulf Breeze UFO and co author (with | his wife Francis) of the book "The Gulf Breeze Sightings." ... | Ed, are there any recent sighting that you would like to | tell us about or any opening remarks that you would like | to make? ga Ed Walters: The sighting activity has continued very strongly. I can only | comment on the events that I witnessed even though the | investigators are flooded with many others. Along with | these continued sightings by groups of people with video | cameras and 35 mm cameras we have a hightened debunking | effort. The 1990 symposium is 3 weeks away and it seems | to have Phil Klass and his friends scared. The latest | effort to debunk me is a planted model made from materials | from my garbage. ga Ted | Care to enlighten us about that? ga Ed Walters: The model does not resemble the photographs that I have | taken in color or details. It only has the general shape | which is too flat and skinny, even though it was a very | clever model and I am impressed with the debunking efforts. ga Ted | Any idea how "they" gained access to your garage ga STEVE PETERSON: WHO PRESENTED THE MODEL? GA Ed Walters: I moved out of the house in question a year and a half | ago and the house was on the open market .. open every day | and very accessable for 10 months before it sold. But are | we to believe that I am stupid enough to move and vacate | everything from that old house except for a ufo model? ga Ted | Just a reminder, this is a formal Conference. If you have a | question or comment please signify with a "?" or "!" | I will open the floor to questions in a few minutes. | I am a bit confused. Did they find a model in your old home... | or did they find a materials that a model was built from? Ed Walters: The person who made the model is unknown and used material | from my discarded garbage and then when the house was | vacant some time during those 10 months placed the model | at the top of the pull-down stairs in the attic. ga Ted | Time to open the floor to questions. GA Drax | ? Ted | Ok, GA Drax STEVE PETERSON: ? Drax | Ed, assuming that the motive was to show the world what a | hoaxer you are and damage your credibility, why would they | wait so long to plant the model? Why wouldn't they time it | to coincide with the release of your book, or beforehand, | when you were doing publicity campaigns for the book? GA Ed Walters: If I am correct, the time of planting would be while the | house was vacant. Otherwise it would be very difficult to | do and the debunking campaign has really been contiunous | also involving the Smith hoax photo evidence i.e. Chrysler | Bldg. UFO. ga Ted | Ok, any follow DRAX? ga marge Christensen: ! Drax | No, GA Ted | Ok, ga Steve marge Christensen: SORRY I GOT DISCONECTED BEFORE, HI EVERYONE Ted | Ga Steve STEVE PETERSON: ARE THERE PHOTOS OF THE POWER RING NOT FACING THE | CAMERA? GA Mike | ? Ed Walters: Assuming you are talking about photos that I have taken | there are some that show the craft in more of a profile but... | I always tried to hit the shutter as the craft tilted | forward making it brighter. ga Ted | GA Marge marge Christensen: Did I miss something or was there a comment about a | blueprint of yours being found inside the model? Can you | comment? Ed Walters: The model was made of discarded material, styrofoam | plates, drafting paper, old blue print planned paper all | glued together with a hole in the bottom to insert a | lightbulb. ga Mike | ? Drax | ? Ted | GA Mike Mike | I arrived late so excuse me if this question has already | been answered. Who found the model and was its existence | made known to the media? ga Ed Walters: The present owner of the house went up into his attic | where there's a large storage area and found it several | weeks ago. The interesting part of this is that 4 days ago | a news reporter came up to the door and asked if he had | found any models. It seems to me like the debunker was | tired of waiting for the model to be found and therefore | called in a tip to a newspaper reporter. ga Drax | ? Ted | GA DRAX Drax | This is second hand, but I understand you told someone else | a slightly different story, namely that you had built the | model at the behest of Dr. Maccabee for re-enactments and | measurements? Any truth to this? GA Ed Walters: I have built scores of re-enactment "models". All of | them made from very rudamentary material. I never used | styrofoam plates as this debunker model is made of. Mine | were lampshades and cardboard boxes so that Maccabee could | study size and distance calculations. ga Drax | But did you tell anyone that this was a re-enactment model? GA Ed Walters: The re-enactment models that I built were specifically | requested by the researchers such as Maccabee and Nathans. | The re-enactments were usually also video taped showing | the activity of the investigators. ga Ted | I think Jim (Drax) was trying to find out if you told anyone | that the the discovered model was one of those commisioned.. | by Maccabee? ga Drax | That's what I was after. Ed Walters: When I saw the debunker model for the first time | yesterday, I said immediately I have no idea and no | information as to where it came from. And I certainly did | not build it. ga Ted | Ok, I know I had a lot of ?'s lined up before this bombshell .. | was dropped. Somehow the timing seems, how do I say... | Convieeeennnnient. (With apologies to Dana Carvey) So with | that in mind, I'd like to ask a ? on a different subject. | Can you tell us a bit about your abduction experiences? ga marge Christensen: ? Ed Walters: I have no concious recall of the hour and 15 min. of missing | time on May 1, 1988. The hypnosis by Dr. Overlaid revealed | many troubling events if we can trust the hypnosis. The | reason I believe something happened of a physical nature | during the missing time is I was left with bruises and | abrasions on my temples, between my eyes, | and on the back of my head. ga Ted | Can you tell us a bit about what your hypnotic regression | revealed? ga Ed Walters: I have been asked that question many times and | I still have no specific memory that would mean I was | in a ufo. I could have been in a building someplace. I did | not see any controls nor was I given a guided tour. I was | held in a small room. ga Ted | What happened in that small room? ga Ed Walters: It's very difficult for me to make sense of those events | I would rather believe, even though I can't, that it was | all a dream. ga Ted | Ok, Marge is next. ga marge Christensen: Did the request for a pardon coincide with the | publication of your book? | The reason I ask is that you mention owning firearms in the | book at a time when you were not permitted to own them as a | convicted felon. Ted | Seems like a "loaded" question. (Pun Intended) GA Ed marge Christensen: A copy of your pardon is circulating in case you are | not aware of that. Ed Walters: When I told the MUFON investigator about two and a half | years ago about my police record I had no idea Phil and | the debunkers would try to throw it in my face. After all | I was only an 18 year old kid. When it became clear that | my police record was going to be an issue. I applied for a | pardon in September of 1989. After a 6 month investigation | into my background and character, the govenor signed | my pardon. The guns that you refer to belong to my wife. | The shotgun was always unloaded in transport. ga STEVE PETERSON: ? Scott Blight: ? Ted | GA Steve STEVE PETERSON: WAS THERE ANY SENSATION OF TEMPERATURE OR PRESSURE | WHILE IN THE BLUE BEAM? GA Ted | GA Ed Ed Walters: The blue beam feels as if you are encased in hardened | concrete. It does not squeeze. It only stops your | movement. I didn't notice any heat change. But my mind | was on other things. ga Ted | Ok, GA Scott marge Christensen: ! Scott Blight: Ed. Do you have any childhood memories of missing time | and/or unaccounted for scars or wounds.ga marge Christensen: Sorry, have to leave now. Supper's getting cold. Bye! Ed Walters: Under hypnosis, Dr. Overlaid recovered missing time events | at ages 11, 17, 25, and 33. No wounds or scars. ga Scott Blight: What year would you have been 11.ga Ed Walters: it would have been 1957. I'm 43 now. ga Kay | ? Ted | Ed, Do you have any idea what the "Other's" motivation | might be? ga Ed Walters: I was never given any message or had "conversations". I | believe that the aliens are persuing their own motives. | But many many people who write me letters feel like the | entities are benevelent. ga Ted | Ok, Kay is next GA Kay Kay | One of the things that has puzzled me for awhile about this | case is the fact that there are soooo many military bases | in the area Navy, Air Force. How often if ever, do the | military take notice of the goings on in Gulf Breeze, it | seems to me that they would be very concerned | about such happenings. GA Ed Walters:The military aircraft consistently show up at the sighting | locations moments after the ufo disappears. They deny the | following day that there was any ufo or any aircraft in | the area even though many scores of us have stood and | watched and video taped these sightings of the aircraft. ga Terry | ? Scott Blight: ? Ted | Ga Terry STEVE PETERSON: ? Terry | On our trip to Gulf Breeze we've noticed as we pass through | Tyndall Field on U.S. 98 that there is some kind of drone | research facility there. Is it possible that some | sightings are connected with that | and has anyone to your knowledge looked into that ? ga Ed Walters: I'm not familiar with Tyndall. It's a long way from us -- in | Panama City. ga Ted | Ga Scott Scott Blight: Ed. If you are 43 now then I guess you were born in | 1947...Interesting. How that year keeps coming up....anyway... | I just bought your book yesterday and haven't finished it yet... | Was the any results from the analysis of the bubbling liquid.ga Ed Walters: The analysis shows up at the end of the soil analysis | (in the book).It's not labelled well. Hard to tell when | the reports go from the soil to the liquid. ga Mike | ? Ted | GA Steve STEVE PETERSON: OK... | DID THE POWER RING ACT AS A JET NOZZLE | POINTING OPPOSITE OF DIRECTION OF TRAVEL? GA CosmicThAng: ?! Ed Walters: The video tape shows the ufo traveling to the left and | slightly tilted with the power source facing direction of | travel. ga Ted | GA Mike Mike | When was the last time you experienced the "humming" | and do you have any updates on the | significance of "Zehaas"? ga Ed Walters: The last humming was a slight hum on May 1, 1988. Your | guess is as good as mine as to what Zehaas means. ga Ted | GA CosmicThAng CosmicThAng: Sorry I'm over an hour late. | Comment: I appreciate your segregating the reports of | conscious memory from any hypnotic recall. I appreciate | that as a hypnotic subject. | Question: Tell me if this has already been answered, but | have you been regressed, what came out under hypnosis, and | what is your opinion of the validity or reliability of | hypnosis recall any thoughts on how to separate truth | from potential fantasy? Ed Walters: It's easier for me to believe that it's a dream because I | don't like to believe otherwise. But the physical bruising | makes me understand that something happened that I am | still trying to understand. Ted | DON, what questions does "UFO Magazine" have for Ed? ga DON STEVE PETERSON: ? Ted | I guess DON is gone. One last ? and Ed has to leave GA Steve STEVE PETERSON: OK... | ARE THERE ANY UPDATES ON THE PHOTO ANALYSIS SINCE THE BOOK...GA Ed Walters: Morrow and Co. hired an independent analysis prior to the | publication handled by Dr. Ebert, who concluded that he | personally could not believe in space travellers but could | find no evidence of photographic trickery. The sightings | continue and Dr. Maccabee has dozens of other photographs | and video tapes from Gulf Breeze witnesses. My mind is | open to many different theories and I look forward to | meeting and sharing at the 1990 MUFON symposium. Thank | you very much. Good night. ga Ted | I want to thank ED Walters for his time this evening and | especially Bert. Not only for Bert's time but also for his | dual telephones. Bert has been connected to not only CIS | for this CO but also long distance from Michigan to Florida | and has been relaying Mr. Walters ? and ! via land line! | That is well above the call of duty. Heart felt thanks to | Bert. Steve R | Thanks Terry | Thank you Ed. Kay | Thank You for your time Mr. Walters CosmicThAng: Thanks a lot Ed, though I don't know how you answered my | question Mike | Thanks much to Ed and Bert...and Ted. Kay | Good Job Bert! CosmicThAng: ? Terry | Yes, thanks, Bert. Bert | Night guys. It was real interesting. ga ********************************************** * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * **********************************************