******************************************************************************* * Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner * * A message sub run on Big Boy's BBS, Denver, CO, 303-458-3832, from 10-26-91 * * to present. Here's all the posts on this great sub from the start! If you * * want to join in, call! * ******************************************************************************* Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 3. Sat 10-26-91 20:09 (NO KILL) From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Introduction Hello, and welcome to Kind Bud's Corner. On this sub we'll be discussing the most versatile, profitable, and sustainable natural resource on the planet...Hemp. With well over 50,000 commercial uses, conservative estimates of its' profit potential surpass $500 Billion per year. Industry experts project a 12-fold (or greater) increase in hemp earnings, once the trade barriers are removed and this valuable cash crop is, again, allowed to compete. We'll examine the history of hemp, and it's many uses which include paper(1 acre of hemp = 4.1 acres of trees for pulp), fiber (textiles), food, fuel(bio-mass), cordage, plastics, fabrication ( including fiber- board and other construction materials) medicine, and so forth...Anything petroleum does, Hemp can do better! We'll talk about the REAL reasons behind the hemp prohibition in 1937, and what efforts are being made by the burgeoning H.E.M.P. Movement to put an end to this insane and inhumane law. And, We'll look at what you and I can do locally.... I want to hear what you're thinking (whether pro/con/indifferent). And Questions...I like Questions. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 4. Sat 10-26-91 20:19 (NO KILL) From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: "...a remarkable little book.. ...is what Hugh Downs said on ABC's 20/20. He was talking about "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer. It is an excellent primer on hemp and can be picked up at The Tattered Cover bookstore for around $15...also, by calling 470-1100 from your touch-tone phone and entering extension 477, you can hear a 10 minute recording of the Hugh Downs 20/20 piece. Journalism at its' finest! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 5. Sun 10-27-91 8:26 (NO KILL) From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: ...can you hear voices? Here's Colorado NORML's voice message directory. Use touch-tone phone and dial (303) 470-1100. When connected punch in desired ext # 111...Initial greeting 222...FAX Mailbox 123...Special Msg(AIDS sufferer addressing HEMP rally at State Capital 333...Modem Mailbox 411...Information 421...Help in Using This System 422...How To Leave a Message 423...How to Send a FAX 424...How to Receive Our FAX Newsletter 431...An Introduction to NORML 441...How to Get Involved 442...How to Join NORML-Colorado 443...Coming Events 444...Chapter Mailing Address 445...National Office Information 446...Legislative Alert Signup 447...Other Organizations 448...Recommended Reading 449...Chapter Meetings 451...Current News 452...Marijuana and Medicine 453...The HEMP Patrol 454...Colorado RoundUp 456...WECOF: Freedom Fighter Radio Network 461...Legal Information 462...Lawyer Referral 463...State Laws 464...Urine Testing 471...Hemp Information 472...Marijuana and Health 473...Fuel and Energy 474...Paper 475...Fiber 476...Food and Seed Products 477...Hugh Downs' ABC 20/20 Program on Hemp 481...General Information 491..."The Emperor Wears No Clothes" By Jack Herer 492...High Times Magazine 511...Hemp Initiative Project Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 6. Sun 10-27-91 8:40 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Quote for the Day... "Make the most of the Indian Hemp seed, and sow it everywhere." George Washington Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 8. Sun 10-27-91 11:12 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: D.A.R.E. ALSO SEE: 9, 130, 317. Thanks for telling me about that meeting. Barring death I'll be there. If anybody else want to go, and you live in Aurora, and want to ride with me, let me know. Now on to the subject... The other day my son came home with a nice red ribbon that was insribed "Drug Free and Proud". Now on the face of this it would seem like a good thing. I would just a soon my kids don't get involved with drugs, and stay away from beer and hemp till they are at least sisteen. Sill, I got a very uneasy feeling in the pit of my gut. The cops say (and we know they NEVER lie) that they are not telling kid to turn their parents into the police. Myself, I think that is a bunch of Bull Doody. Where would a ten year old kid get the idea to turnhis parents into the state, if not from the nice officer Friendly of the D.A.R.E. program? I think I have a strong enough relationship with my kids that I don't have to worry about them turning me in. But that dosn't stop the nagging worry sitting in the back of my mind. So, how do I as a parent, sit down my ten year old, a child who should not have to worry about these things and explain to him the facts of life. The goverment's ONLY concern is it's own preservation. The cops are not really your friends. And in no case should he trust either one to tell the truth. I think that's a bit heavy for a kid his age. But now I am faced with having to counter what he is being told in school. If I let it go I am faced with the posibility of him turning me in, (reguardless of weither or not I smoke hemp) or worse yet, the system turning him into another trusting, unquestoning drone. Putting aside the compairison to "1984", a more real life compairison would be Germany in 1937. The schools there also encouraged children to turn their parents into the state. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 9. Mon 10-28-91 6:24 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: D.A.R.E./Hitler Youth ALSO SEE: 8. So very true. The cops don't have 'em wearing brown shirts,yet...but it doesn't mean they wouldn't like to. My kids are all in college now, but when they were younger, like yours, I had to maintain a sort of on-going "de-programming" campaign to keep them from being brainwashed....They were able to understand that their teachers weren't necessarily 'bad', just ignorant....I don't think that Colorado had any D.A.R.E. programs then. Just as an aside, the D.A.R.E. program is the brain child of L.A. Top Cop Daryl Gates, who has recieved so much good press lately. Colorado NORML and the Rocky Mtn Hemp Network are putting together a program called Double-Dare where volunteer-parents are demanding equal time in schools to talk paper-fiber-fuel-food-medicine, Bill of Rights, etc....I'll be talking to them today and I'll try to get more info. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 11. Tue 10-29-91 6:18 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Public Meeting The Rocky Mountain Hemp Network is hosting a public seminar/discussion group on Saturday, Nov 2 from 6 pm to 8 pm at 1090 S Wadsworth, suite F. This group will continue to meet on the first Saturday of each month there-after... ...also, Rocky Mountain Hemp Network is filing a class-action suit against the State of Colorado for witholding medication. Colorado is one of several states which recognize the thereaputic application of Cannabis. Litigants will include sufferers of Glaucoma,Cancer,AIDS,MS,MD, epilepsy,asthma,anorexia, et al....To qualify to participate in the law- suit, one must have it in his medical records that an attempt has been made to obtain cannabis through legal channels. At the present, all re- quests from the states must go through the F.D.A. and then the D.E.A. Currently, only thirty-seven people in the U.S. have a legal prescription for the herb. Rocky Mountain Hemp has lined up nine litigants and is look- ing for more. If you know someone who qualifies, have them call Connie at 1-838-1235. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 12. Tue 10-29-91 12:57 From: Thanatos To: Kind Bud, Et Al. Subject: Legalization ALSO SEE: 13, 15, 16. I don't agree with you, Kind Bud. I don't see all the uses that you suggest. All I see is that people want the option to smoke THC at any time and any place they wish. Perhaps all those fabrics and fuels and such are possible, but I don't see the supporters of Hemp legalization using it for that now. Most supporters are private users of Hemp and they will not, in my option, change. Legal or not. Let it be said that I also don't support the rights of tobacco smokers. I have learned that inhaling smoke of any kind is unhealthy and should not be advocated. I have also heard that the users of THC are more passive that other people. That is fine for avoiding war; My concern is with the already low nation production rate in the USA. Do we really need an entire work force that is passive? Sorry, but I won't be at any of your rallies. *>>THANATOS<<* Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 13. Thu 10-31-91 16:53 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Thanatos Subject: Legalization ALSO SEE: 12. I somewhat agree with you. I think some of the proposed uses for hemp are a bit on the optomistic side. Things such as fuel are still pretty much on the drawing board. And until hemp is legaized, they will stay there. But many things such as food, fabric, paper, medicne, and building materials are not only proven, but they were widely used until Herst and his buddies hatched their scheme. As far as paper.. One acre of hemp can produce as much paper as 4.3 acres of trees. That acre of hemp can be replanted and renewed every year. In some areas of the country it can be havested twice a year. That 4.3 acres of trees can only be harvested every 15 to 30 years. The only chem needed to make paper from hemp is Hyd-porxcide (however the hell you spell it). You don't even want to think abought what goes into wood paper. Have you ever picked up a book that is 50+ years old and wondered why it's in better shape than a book printed twenty years ago? It's because the older book was printed before hemp was outlawed. The hemp paper is acid free. As far a THC users beind docile and worthless... The most sucsessfull person I know smokes hemp. He prefers it to beer, and uses it the same way a mature person uses beer. He is anything but docile. In fact he has recived a number of awards for exelence in his field. But none of this matters, because the instand it were to become public that he smoked hemp, he would be labled a "usless, lazy, no good pervert". Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 14. Thu 10-31-91 17:20 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: Hemp in The Truth Seeker ALSO SEE: 17. I subscribe to an unusual magazine based in San Diego called The Truth Seeker (Box 2832, San Diego, CA 92112, $20/year). In the latest issue was a good article by Howard Anshell called "Could One Plant Save the Earth". Guess what it was about Nyuk Nyuk! Yuse guys are really getting around Nyuk Nyuk! It said the original draft of the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp paper, and still exists today. Anyway, I've always believed that all drugs should be decriminalized, even crack cocaine, as long as it's taxed and regulated like tobacco and alcohol. But with the purported value of the hemp plant itself being held back by the anti-drug laws, I gotta say I hope yuse guys keep working hard and fight where it counts in the Congress and the Legislatures -- and win! Maybe if decriminalization starts with this one little step, everybody can see I've been right all along Nyuk Nyuk! In the same mag. was a letter to the editor advocating that the government establish "legal drug stores" which would sell seized drugs at cut rates in direct competition to the street hoodlums...what do you think about that, "Bud"? "Bud?....Bud? Are you awake? What have you been smoking?..." Nyuk Nyuk! (just joshing) Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 15. Fri 11-01-91 6:32 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Thanatos Subject: Legalization ALSO SEE: 12, 35. You're more than welcome to disagree....however, there are NO studies which indicate that hemp-smokers are any more or less passive or lazy than any other group....and these days, the joint is not the point. Hemp can produce approx. 50,000 commercial products that are practically pollution free. According to the U.S.D.A., one acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees for the production of paper. Hemp paper is dioxine-free. Wood paper making processes release sulfer into the atmosphere. Up until the mid- 19th century, ALL our paper was made from hemp...The first two copies of the Declaration of Independence were made on hemp paper. We all know that Geo. Washington and T. Jefferson grew hemp. Benj. Franklin started the first hemp-paper mill in America. That way, we wouldn't have to justify our use of paper to England. Sailing ships in those days used from 60 to 100 tons of hemp per year. When England blockaded France, Napolean's first move was to invade Russia (which supplied England with 90% of its' hemp) in an effort to cut off England's hemp supply, thus crippling its' navy. An American could pay his taxes with hemp until 1810. In the latter 1800's paper made from wood became the vogue, because at this time it was more labor-effective than hemp. Clothing and other fibers still were made from hemp. Canvas is the Dutch word for cannabis. In the mid-1930's, something happened which got Big-Money worried. A new machine was invented which would make the pulping of hemp very labor- effective. This prompted Popular Mechanics to offer an article about hemp calling it the New Billion Dollar crop. Also, Henry Ford was so convinced that bio-mass was the ONLY way to go as far as fueling cars, he grew hemp on his estate at Iron Mountain for that purpose..As a bio-mass crop, hemp is superior to any including kenaf, corn, or sugar-cane all added in to- gether! At this time William Raldolf Hearst and Kimberly Clarke owned vast timber acreage. DuPont had just patented "nylon", the forerunner of all poisonous plastics, and Big Oil didn't like the sound of this bio- mass business. Fibers which had traditionally been made from hemp could be made with plastics. Hemp can also be made into plastics, and, according to Pop.Mech, it can be made into anything from cellophane to dynamite. Hearst, the Melons and DuPonts held a series of "secret meetings" with '30's drug czar Harry Anslinger and conspired to conduct a smear campaign against hemp in an effort to whip the public into an anti- hemp hysteria. But they did'nt call it hemp...everyone knew what hemp was. Hearst news-papers were the first to call it 'marijuana' and made up all manner of horror stories about it. Anslinger, in his testimony before Congress, said that 'marijuana' was the most violence-inducing narcotic known to man! Hearst papers told of how it was the drug of choice among "mexicans, negros, and entertainers." This campaign was nothing less than a pack of lies designed by the super-rich to rid themselves of their number one competitor...HEMP. The law is called the Marijuana Tax Stamp Act, but after that title, you'll never see the word "marijuana" used in the bill again. It refers only to hemp...after the law was passed, the medical profession wanted to know what happened to cannabis. Cannabis was one of the most useful medicines known. They were not aware that cannabis and "marijuana" were the same thing. 2.5 million people in this country have glaucoma; 10,000 of them are going to lose their vision this year...yet, only 37 people have a legal prescription for this useful herb, which is proven to HALT the advance of glaucoma. It is also known to be useful in treating epilepsy, MS, etc......more on this later.....I've run o ut of time. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 16. Fri 11-01-91 10:30 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Thanatos Subject: Legalization ALSO SEE: 12. Part Two: Cannabis has many therapeutical applications including glaucoma, MS,MD asthma, anorexia, epilepsy, etc. The medical body of literature on the topic is vast. The government is quite aware of this, yet still classifies "marijuana" as a schedule one narcotic, meaning it has NO KNOWN medical value. This is, of course, a lie. The gov't knows it's a lie, and more importantly, the Big $$$$ who tell the gov't what to think know it is a lie. They simply do not want the competition that hemp would bring into the market place. When hemp is re-commercialized, it's not just going to save the family farm....American farmers are going to PROSPER like they never have in this century! Since you have no plans to visit one of our meetings, you are really unaware of what the hemp movement is doing as regards the commercialization of legal hemp products....these products are how the word is being spread....hemp clothing, hemp-seed oil products including food, bio-mass products, etc. I recently helped Colorado bio-scientist Agua Das set up Colorados first hemp-seed oil press and his products are being stocked on shelves all over the state. You're not going to get much of this info in the "News." I recently filmed a Hemp Rally in Madison,WI where more than 20,000 hempsters attended. Did you hear anything about it on the news back here? ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN were all aware of the event, but didn't manage to mention anything about it. Why? Forty people can act badly in front of an abortion clinic, and it's all over prime time TV. 20,000 people can petition the state for redress of grievances(i.e. re- legalization of a plant that can save the environment and producea 500 Billion Dollar a year industry) and they go completly ignored. Is it because it's not important? No. It's because people are scared. They have a reason to be scared....what's being hyped as a War On Drugs is really a war on you and me. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 17. Fri 11-01-91 10:55 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Big Boy Subject: Hemp in The Truth Seeker ALSO SEE: 14. I'm with you all the way,Big Boy! Actually, I'm for freeing up any commerce or interaction between consenting adults. That means everything. The HEMP movement is such a useful tool in the over-all freedom movement because its' position is unassailable.....paper,fiber,fuel,medicine...it's all documented and cannot be disproved. The D E A quit debating hempster about two years ago....The national HEMP movement offers a $10,000 challenge to anyone who can prove their position to be wrong. For me, the picture is like this: The shit we each put up with everyday makes the McCarthy Era look like a sitcom hoot. Property routinely confiscated without due process, cops being able to do ANYTHING with impunity so long as they say they were acting in good faith, people being led like sheep to go pee in little bottles(you'd think the streets would be filled with folks screaming about that one). Folks are living in a climate of fear and paranoia....some people have been there so long, they don't even know they're scared. We're losing our freedoms and if we don't start fighting for them now, we probably won't have ANY in the coming century. And there ain't nobody around to do it for us. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 19. Mon 11-04-91 8:10 (NO KILL) From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: you may have allready won.... The following $10,000 Challenge is issued by H.E.M.P.--5632 Van Nuys Blvd, Suite 210, Van Nuys, CA 91401 TEL:(213) 392-1806.....call them and they'll verify it for you....their challenge goes like this: "Prove Us Wrong: If all fossil fuels and their derivatives (coal,oil, natural gas, synthetic fibers and petro-chemicals) as well as the deforestation of trees for paper and agriculture (e.g. Brazilian and Indonesian rainforests), are banned from use in order to save the planet, preserve the ozone layer and reverse the greenhouse effect with its global warming trend: Then there is only one known renewable natural resource able to provide ALL of the following goods and essentials such as paper and textiles, meet all the world's transportation, home, and industrial energy needs, and clean the atmosphere--all at the same time--our old stand-by that did it all before: Cannabis Hemp...Marijuana!" ... Pretty interesting challenge, huh? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 20. Mon 11-04-91 8:21 (NO KILL) From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Therapeutic Applications ALSO SEE: 21. Before getting lost in the many industrial/commercial uses of hemp (50 000 is a LOT), let's look at some of the therapeutic uses of cannabis. My special thanx to UCLA Pulmonary Studies, 1969-1991; UCLA asthma studies, 1969-1976; Cohen,Sidney,&Stillman,"Therapeutic Pontential of Marijuana 1976",Medical College of Georgia; University of North Carolina; National Eye Institute;and very special thanx to Dr. Donald Tashkin of UCLA... Asthma: Smoking the leaves and flowers of the hemp plant would be beneficial for 80% of asthmatics. More than 15 million Americans are affected, and the use of cannabis would add 30 to 60 million person-years in the aggregate of extended life to current asthmatics in this country alone. The use of cannabis for asthmatics goes back thousands of years in literature; American doctors in the last century wrote about it in their medical papers saying that "asthma sufferes of the world would *bless* the Indian Hemp plant all their lives." In 1991, no American receives or uses *legal* cannabis for asthma, although, according to Dr. Tashkin," Taking a single hit of (cannabis) has been known to stop a full blown asthma attack." Glaucoma: 14% Of all blindness in the U.S. is from glaucoma. Smoking the leaves and flowers of the hemp plant would benefit 90% of all 2.5 million American glaucoma victims. Cannabis is 2-3 times as effective as any current medicines for reducing ocular pressure....also, hemp use has no toxic side effects to the liver/kidneys, and no occasional sudden-death syndromes associated with the *legal* pharmaceutical glaucoma drugs. Eye doctors often advise their glaucoma patients to by illegal black-market street pot to mitigate their toxic *legal* glaucoma medicines. At the current black- market prices of $400+ per oz. this is quite a drain on their pocket book, not to mention living in fear because of their "criminal" activity. When the 1937 Marijuana Tax Stamp Act was passed, one ounce of cannabis was available from the local drugstore for one dollar (!)...in 1991, only 37 Americans have a legal prescription for cannabis. In the Spring of this year George Bush declared that no more prescriptions would be issued, because they don't want to "send the wrong message about marijuana." In 1988 the DEA's own conservative administrative law judge, Francis Young, after hearing 15 days of medical testimony, and reviewing hundreds of DEA documents declared,"Marijuana is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man." Oddly, the DEA continues to list marijuana as a Schedule One narcotic:As having no known medical use. According to NORML, High Times, and OMNI: Eli Lilly Co; Abbott Labs; Pfizer; Smith, Kline & French; and other pharmaceutical companies would lose billions of dollars annually if hemp were legal in the U.S., and even more billions in the Third World. (Some 500,000 people are poisoned each year in Third World countries by drugs, pesticides, etc that are sold to them by American companies, but which are banned for sale in the U.S.) It was because of lobbying by the pharmaceutical companies that cannabis research has been banned by the Feds since 1977 (Ford Administration.) The Reagan/ Bush/Quale boys are absolutey refusing to allow resumption of University marijuana research, and, in fact, sent out a "feeler" in the early '80's to Universities suggesting that they DESTROY all their findings from previous hemp research. Thankfully, many declined. Some of the University studies suggested that cannabis could replace 50% of Valium, Librium, Thrazine(and other 'zine drugs. (According to the U.S. Center for Disease Control in Atlanta 20% - 40% of "-zine" drug users have or will develop permanent lifetime palsies (shakes).) In all of this, it's interesting to note that when George Bush left the CIA in 1977, he was appointed director of Eli Lilly by none other than Dan Quayle's father. Odd, that. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 21. Mon 11-04-91 10:04 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: Therapeutic Applications ALSO SEE: 20, 22, 25. I was wondering if hemp flowers could be used in beer making, as a preservative, an aromatic, and flavoring, like hop flowers are? Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 22. Mon 11-04-91 17:15 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Big Boy Subject: Beer ALSO SEE: 21, 24. I talked to a guy in the HEMP club at school who said he had made pot-beer. I can try find out from him how to make it if ya want. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 23. Mon 11-04-91 17:19 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Wee-Willy ALSO SEE: 26. I don't know how documented it is, but I have found the herb to be an excellent blood presure medicne. Unlike the stuff the dr. gave me, it dosen't cause hair to grow in weird places, and it don't make my willy fall over limp. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 24. Mon 11-04-91 22:56 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: The Foad Subject: Beer ALSO SEE: 22, 28. Do it! Post the recipe! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 25. Tue 11-05-91 9:18 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Big Boy Subject: This Bud's for you.... ALSO SEE: 21. actually, yes they can....the flowers(buds) can be added during the initial brew or with the woert(sp) Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 26. Tue 11-05-91 9:22 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: Wee-Willy ALSO SEE: 23, 29. Yes, it lowers blood pressure, and opens up the arteries, as well as reducing stress, our #1 Killer...and, according to UCLA eating the raw seeds cuts down cholesterol dramatically.(more so than any other plant) Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 27. Tue 11-05-91 17:43 From: The Foad To: All Subject: The American dream ALSO SEE: 30, 34. Farmer Donald Clark of Florada was growing hemp in his corn field. So were many of his neibors. Donald got them all together to form a Hemp Co-Op. Yesterday, Donald recived a life sentence (without posibility of parole). What tipped of the DEA? Donald and his neibors were able to make thier farm payments. Boy Howdy, I sure do feel safer with Donald behind bars. How bought you? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 28. Tue 11-05-91 17:48 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Big Boy Subject: Beer ALSO SEE: 24. I will probaly see him again monday. I'll try to get it then. He said that you can use the leagal stuff, but it's pretty expencive, and God only knows what they used to rice out the THC. Best to just get it from your regular supplier. It sure would make one hell of an entry at a beef contest. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 29. Tue 11-05-91 17:51 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Wee-Willy ALSO SEE: 26. Actualy, the hair groth wasn't all bad. My bald spot is gone. It's the damm tree trunks growing out of my ears. The Doctor said it could be the BP drug that was making me look like big foot. I quit taking it and quit going to him. P.S. Missed you last Saturday. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 30. Wed 11-06-91 7:23 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: American Dream(on Elm St.) ALSO SEE: 27. Yes, we can all sleep a little easier, now, with Donald and his ilk behind bars. Imagine the noive of the guy....actually making his farm payments! I've said it before, and I'll say it again: THe crap that's going on around us everyday makes the McCarthy Era look mild by comparison. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 31. Wed 11-06-91 7:31 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Quote for the day... "Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes...A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." Abraham Lincoln Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 32. Wed 11-06-91 7:35 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: More Medical stuff... According to Dr. Thomas Ungerleider, head of California's Marijuana for Cancer Research Project from 1979-1984:"Marijuana is the best agent for control of nausea in cancer chemotherapy." The same is being found by those who are undergoing ADZ therapy for AIDS. One AIDS patient said it best,"Marijuana makes the difference between LIVING with AIDS and DYING of AIDS." Still, only 37 Americans have a *legal* prescription for a plant which grows wild. In effect, the government is saying to these people,"F*ck you. It's better that you go blind, better that you die in agony, wrapped around a toilet everyday, than for us to change a law which was based on a Big Lie, anyway." Marijuana is also proven to help 60%-80% of those who suffer from epilepsy, MS,MD, and other tremor-related diseases(like Parkinsons). In 1975 the D E A and the Nat'l Health Instute directed the Medical College of Virginia to conduct studies on the smoking of the herb in hopes of finding possible immunicological problems associated with marijuana. Instead, researchers were surprised to find that the herb was incredibly successful in reducing many malignant and benign tumors! A dissapointed D E A then issued orders to CEASE all further cannabis/tumor research and reporting. Hemp plants also provide extractions called cannabidiolic acids. These acids are a natual antibiotic that can be used to treat a variety of ailments(indluding gonorrhea, etc). According to Czechoslovakian Studies, any disease or infection that can be treated with terramycin, cannabis derivatives will do better. Thankfully, the Czechs still publish farm crop reports on strategies to grow Cannabidiol-rich hemp. The medicinal uses of this natural herb go on and on(arthritis,rheumatism, blood pressure,emphysema,migraines, stress, anorexia, etc.) We have been robbed of fifty years worth of real medical research, as well as research&developement as regards paper,bio-mass fuel, textiles,plastics, food, and on and on and on.... This is OUR plant, and it's time we take it back! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 34. Wed 11-06-91 9:40 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: The Foad Subject: The American dream ALSO SEE: 27. With such insane laws and penalties for violation thereof, on the books, I hope none of yuse guys try to become a hero and break them just because you don't like them. The action is in getting them repealed, lobbying the lawmakers, and getting them off the books. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 35. Wed 11-06-91 11:46 (RECV'D) From: Thanatos To: Kind Bud Subject: Legalization ALSO SEE: 15, 37, 39. KB, I do remember studies that showed THC affected short term memory in an adverse way. This equates, to me, a lower function level. As far as the media's bias, I have seen reports of the Hemp movement. I believe I watched NBC report on a rally in California, and I think the wire services also carry the reports. There was an article in Time not too long ago and I believe the Rocky Mountain News covered it too. I just don't want to see another mind altering drug legalized in the USA. We have enough of a problem with alcohol and Nicotine. I work in a Halfway House and I see the result of misuse. We have men and women who did nothing more that misuse alcohol, and not they are doing time for killing someone. Without the drug use, they would have been in control of their vehicle and lives would have been saved. Why give more people more opprotunity to use and misuse more drugs?? *>>THANATOS<<* Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 37. Wed 11-06-91 20:18 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Thanatos Subject: Legalization ALSO SEE: 35. Well, Dead Guy (nyuk nyuk), if you were for prohibition of alcohol and tobacco in the first place, why didn't you say so? Despite all your "horror stories", the horror of Prohibition and the terrible black market that forked society over, was much much worse. So, the arguments for prohibition of drugs seem, to me, to be intellectually discreditable, even for a slob like me Nyuk Nyuk! Still, taking drugs is for losers, legal or not, so have a malted milk and some popcorn, and when you get over 300 lbs. you can chance a Colt 45 or two and still not raise your b.a.l. too much percentagewise Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 38. Wed 11-06-91 22:29 (RECV'D) From: Digital Dave To: Kind Bud Subject: Fat Chance! ALSO SEE: 42. Dear Mr. Bud: May I call you Kind? I should like to respectfully disagree with everything you've said thus far. And just because you can back up your points with documented fact doesn't mean that I'm going to alter my opinions one iota. Likewise, just because the biased government-sponsored studies have been exposed as so much horse hocky doesn't mean I won't continue to believe them. My mind is quite firmly made up, and regardless of how many lives might be saved, or what benefit hemp would be to the environment, I, like Comatose Thanatos, will not be found at any of your rallies. But seriously, folks, I'm glad to see this topic being explored intelligently. And, while I would welcome hemp's legalization, it would seem to be an extreme long shot. Do you really think they're going to repeal the marijuana laws in our lifetime? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 39. Thu 11-07-91 6:48 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Thanatos Subject: ...umm, let me....uh....I..... ALSO SEE: 35, 40, 231. ..uhhh...errr...what was I going to?....OH! Yeah, right....like,uh.. Short Term Memory ....uh....Loss, Yeah...Right...OK!... I believe you are referring to conclusions drawn from the Heath/Tulane University studies in 1974. The short-term memory loss allegations stem from those studies, and a lot of other erroneous bullsh*t as well... The Official Version goes like this: An impartial Dr. Heath concluded that Rhesus monkeys, smoking the equivalent of "only" 30 joints a day began to atrophy and die after 90 days. He then opened the brains and counted the brain cells; next, he took control monkeys who hadn't smoked, killed them, and counted their brain cells. The pot smoking monkeys had enormous amounts of dead brain cells as compared to the "straight" monkeys. This prompted Reagan to say"The *most reliable scientific* sources say permanent brain damage is one of the inevitable results of the use of marijuana!".....Now, as Paul Harvey would say, the rest of the story: It took Playboy Press/NORML six years of suing under the Freedom of Information Act to finally get an accurate accounting of the research proceedures used in the experiment: The monkeys were strapped into chairs and then strapped into gas-masks and given the equivalent of 63 Columbian strength joints in five minutes thru the gas-masks, with no smoke escaping. In other words, they were suffocating. Carbon Monoxide (given off by any burning object) is a deadly gas that kills brain cells. The Heath/Tulane report is a study in animal asphyxiation, carbon monoxide poisoning, and human cruelty. You could achieve the same results if you locked yourself in your garage and ran your car for 15 minutes every day. I can only speak from personal experience...When I returned from my four-year, government sponsored, all-expense paid vacation in Southeast Asia in the early '70's, I was quite familiar with the herb. I enjoyed it just about every day. I returned to college and finished with a straight-A average, and didn't find it much of a challenge at all. This, while working full time and supporting a family. I now own my own business, have three kid in college, and am still married to the same woman I started out with. I don't think this indicates brain damage....(well, except the part about being married.) When my personal experience flows contrary to Consensus Reality, I'll stick with my personal experience, thankyou. Any caring adult is going to feel badly about the tragedy you have to deal with every day, but the fact is, those poor souls each made an error in judgement. And, to be blunt, if they had stayed at home and smoked a joint, instead of going out and driving like drunk maniacs, lives would have been saved and they wouldn't be in a half-way house. Fact is, the hysteria that passes for a drug policy has f*cked up more people than all the half-way house denizens put together. the United States has a larger percentage of its' citizens in prison than ANY other country in the world. #2 is South Africa. Do you think that means the U.S. has a higher percentage of Bad Guys than any other country? I don't think so, yet Bush wants to build more and more prisons. As far as the media is concerned....the press can't completely ignore what is becoming the biggest movement of the decade. I didn't say that. I just find it odd that they ignored the Madison rally where 20,000 people protested the insane drug laws. We have to remember, Than, that many of the largest publishers have direct holdings in timberland for paper, and the pharmaceutical drug, petrochemical companies, etc. are among the media's major advertisers. It's the Golden Rule: whoever has the Gold makes the Rules. Hemp for paper/bio-mass fuel has been rather successful in Europe for several years, now. (Funny that Kimberly Clarke is so involved there, since they were behind hemp prohibition in this country in the '30's.) It may comfort you to know, Thanny, that the particular strains of hemp being grown there make for lousy smoking. Business Alliance for Commerce in Hemp recently sent a delegation over there to study the farming methods, pulping proceedures, etc. A couple of their less intrepid delegates bravely volunteered to sample some of the flowers/leaves. The only result they reported was "a mild, but annoying head-ache." It's not a matter of IF hemp will be re-legalized, but when, and which state will be the first. A 500 Billion dollar a year industry cannot be ignored, especially with the state of our economy. The current illicit revenues from hemp (black-market) are about 45-60 Billion annually. This is ridiculous because 1. Our farmers are not getting any of this cash, and 2. The leaves and flowers are ...The...Least...Valuable...Part...Of...this...Plant! [Reality Captioned For The Doublespeak Impaired] Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 40. Thu 11-07-91 8:17 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: ...umm, let me....uh....I..... ALSO SEE: 39, 41. A dumb question perhaps, but if the hemp industry is worth 500 billion dollars a year potentially, where's all the big money fatcats supporting it politically so they can buy up the new industry and get richer? That the tree industry has its fatcats too doesn't explain it. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 41. Sun 11-10-91 8:09 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Big Boy Subject: fatcat backers ALSO SEE: 40, 43. In addition to the tree-industry folks, there's also the petrochemical giants, pharmaceutical companies and textile folks all of whom like things just the way they are... Yesterday I talked with John Birenbach of the Instute for Hemp in St.Paul. He told me that Kimberly Clark is involved in the hemp industry in France, but it took him a month of phone calls to Kimberly Clark before he found a company spokesperson who was even aware of it....(they're doing it thru a subsidiary with a different name.) We're also dealing with 50 years of public brainwashing....we've been told over and over that hemp(marijuana) is very,very evil....It's going to take a complete re-education of the public before any major company is going to come out as publically in favor of re-legalization. Although this information has been around in bits and pieces for quite some time, it's just recently that it's been put together in a complete package....the concept is new. The Wall St. Journal ran a front page story on hemp in May..."What Is as Versatile as the Soybean But Illegal Anyway?" In June Pulp & Paper magazine's tech- nical editor wrote an article:"It's Time to Reconsider Hemp." Both these articles are a major step forward for hemp...it's a battle for peoples' minds and it's going to take a while....but it seems like everywhere you turn, hemp information is popping up! Right now it's a grass-roots(nyuk?) effort. Last year there were about 3-4 suppliers of legal hemp products in the U S and now there's over 20. The Institute for Hemp has obtained the necessary permits from the Minnesota Dept. of Agriculture to grow 100 acres of hemp in 1992. Rocky Mtn Hemp is opening a Hempwear, etc store in a mall at 1090 S. Wadsworth. Willie Nelson has started his own line of Hemp Clothing and has plans to preach hemp at his next Farm-Aid concert this month. I think we're at the begining of something very big, and quite inevitable. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 42. Sun 11-10-91 8:34 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Digital Dave Subject: Fat Chance! ALSO SEE: 38, 44. I don't think "THEY" are ready to legalize it, yet. But then, THEY don't have to. WE can legalize it OURSELVES. How? Colorado, like about 25 other states, has a Citizens Initiative Process. This means that Colorado citizens have equal power with thier legislators to enact laws...and,because our population is so small, we only need 50,000 valid signatures of registered voters by August '92 to get it on the November ballot. A Newscenter-4 poll about a month ago showed that 55% of Coloradoans are in favor of re-legalization of hemp right now....and that's without knowing about paper-fiber-fuel-food- non-toxic paints & varnish-medicine. etc! It's up to us to get the word out...it's not going to be easy, but, at least for now, we've got a better shot than any other state. California is going to run a hemp-initiative in '92 also, but they've got to get almost 400,000 signatures (meaning more that 700,000 just to get a "good" 400,000.....quite a chore....we've got to get 75,000 sigs to get a 'good' 50,000. I think we can get that done, and once we do, the entire nation is going to be watching us in November to see what we do. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 43. Sun 11-10-91 9:18 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: fatcat backers ALSO SEE: 41, 45, 51. I don't mean to play the devil's advocate, Bud, but I still can't understand how you can claim there's a $500 BILLION industry being held back by anybody. $5 Billion maybe, not $500 Billion. There's plenty of money out there just looking for something to invest in, and greed alone would make hemp legalization impossible to stop if there were that big an economic boom at the end waiting. So, either you overestimate the potential size of the industry, or you haven't explained what's holding it back well enough. Heck, IBM Corp. only brings in $50 Billion a year Nyuk Nyuk! As for the paper and petrochemical dudes, how big are their industries now? $500 Billion is enough to make them want to SWITCH Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 44. Sun 11-10-91 12:17 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Hemp init. ALSO SEE: 42, 47. I want to throw out some questions on the hemp Initiative. 1. Who gets to set up the wordingon the actual ballot. We all no how the summery on the ballot can be misleading. So is there any chance of it being worded "should it be legal for dope heads to smoke pot and kill our dogs?" or something to that effect? 2. What abought the people in prison for hemp related political crimes? Will they be released? 3. Will money and property taken by the government under RICO beacuse the rightful owner had a three year old copy of "High Times" have to be returned. 4. What abought the federal laws? Will the feds still be able to throw people in jail? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 45. Sun 11-10-91 12:27 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Big Boy Subject: fatcat backers ALSO SEE: 43, 46. | understand how you can claim there's a $500 BILLION industry being held | back by anybody. $5 Billion maybe, not $500 Billion. There's plenty of Easy. Hemp is alot like solar power. It is very difficult to controld from a central location. This makes it hard for the giant multi-nationals to sell it. Why would a glocoma (prob spelled wrong) sufferer want to pay $15-$20 a day for something that they could grow in their back yard? How is giant tree farmer going to sell his product when hemp is more easily grown on a small scale? The bottom line is that 500 billion a year won't be made by the giant corporations, but by the little farmer who gets back on his feet, the sick people who save money on their medicine, in general the little guy. So it is easy to see why the fat-cats are fighting it tooth and nail. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 46. Sun 11-10-91 19:03 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: The Foad Subject: fatcat backers ALSO SEE: 45, 50. Yes, I see it now that you've accounted for every one of the FIVE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN PROFITS that Kind Bud talked about in msg #2 Nyuk Nyuk! Let's see, since there's a quarter billion Americans, that's only TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS a year in profits that the Hemp Industry could make that it now isn't, from EVERY AMERICAN IN THE U.S. EACH YEAR. Such a piddling profit potential would be no problem for the paper & petrochemical industries to squelch, without themselves wanting to capture that industry for themselves on the side Nyuk Nyuk! It's SOOOO clear Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 47. Mon 11-11-91 7:19 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: Hemp init. ALSO SEE: 44. I'll check on the wording of the ballot initiative today. The long version will go something like this... An Act To Amend The Health and Safety Code of Colorado I. Add Section #________ to the Health and Safety Code of Colorado any laws or policies to the contrary not withstanding: (1) Persons, 18 years or older, shall not be prosecuted, be denied any right or privilege, nor be subject to criminal or civil penalties for the cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of: (a) Industrial hemp products. Hemp farmers and manufacturers of industrial hemp products shall not be subject to any special zoning or licensing fees that are discriminatory or prohibitive. (b) Hemp medicinal preparations. (c) Hemp products for nutritional use. (d) Hemp products for personal use. No permit or license may be required for non-commercial cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of any hemp product. There are then 10 paragraphs and sub paragraphs dealing with definitions and taxation methods. One deals with retroactive amnesties and clearing of criminal records.....then it goes on: IV. No Colorado law enforcement personnel or funds shall be used to assist enforcement of federal cannabis/marijuana laws governing cannabis/marijuana related acts which are no longer illegal in the state of Colorado. V. The legislature, the Govenor, and the Attorney General are directed to challenge federal cannabis/marijuana prohibitions which conflict with this act. VIII.Within 120 days following the passage of this act the legislature shall fund, from law enforcement savings hereby generated, an advisory panel to study the feasibility and methods of making restitution to all persons who were imprisoned, fined or had private properties forfeited as a result of criminal or civil actions for cannabis/marijuana related acts which are hereby no longer illegal. ... It then goes on to explain how the monies for restitution are to be obtained from new tax revenues on hemp, etc. This will only be a state law, and will not stop the feds...federal law will have to be changed, also. But it's a giant step forward. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 48. Mon 11-11-91 9:56 From: Big Boy To: All Subject: Great Idea Nyuk Nyuk! HAPT (Hazardous Pursuit Terminator) A police officer is beginning to chase a suspect though a populated neighborhood. The officer noticed the suspect speeding, ran a check on the license number and found that the driver was wanted as a fugitive in a bank robbery. After the officer turns on the flashers, the suspect speeds up to 70 mph in a 25 mph zone! There are people around and someone could get killed. The officer makes a decision that it's time to turn on HAPT. She opens a console on the dash board and pushes a button, then moves the joystick inside the console so that a red dot touches the back of the vehicle she is chasing. She pushes the button again and a voice from the box says; "Fire control system locked on target". Suddenly, all four tires of the suspect's car are shot from beneath it, almost simultaneously! She screeches to a stop and jumps from the car, shotgun in hand. The suspect is stunned and easily captured. Science Fiction, or Science Fact? This system can be developed for police departments all over the country, and save many innocent lives each year, lost because of hazardous pursuits. Funding is needed to develop the HAPT device. Write your representatives now! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 49. Mon 11-11-91 9:57 From: Big Boy To: All Subject: Hemp Files on De Board I now have 2 hemp-related downloadable files on the board: HEMP.LZH - a motley collection of files I got from World Peace BBS They are not in plain ASCII format, they seem to be from a word processor, you tell me which. NORML.ZIP - "How A Single Plant Could Save the Earth" -- reprint of am article on Hemp and NORML, giving addresses. I sure wish you would start preparing some extensive text article or portfolio on the subject with LOCAL contact info./addresses, Bud, so I can make it into a Zip file and put it on the board. That way, you multiply your time by letting the file spread on its own momentum across BOARDWORLD, so to speak. Of course, if there's any hemp critics out there, I invite you to do likewise, you're all welcome. I still can't figure out where they got the $500 Billion dollar figure from, it makes them sound like CRACKPOTS Nyuk Nyuk! (get it, crackPOTS!). Why not $338 Billion for example? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 50. Mon 11-11-91 16:25 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Big Boy Subject: fatcat backers ALSO SEE: 46. We're not talking abought 500 billion new dollars comming in. Alot of it will come from a shift in sources. That is to say, themp industry will generate 500 billion, but the timber, oil, pharmi.. companys will lose at least 250 billion. Me personaly, I don't like to use that figure because, to me anyway, it seems a bit confusing. Mayve Kind Bud could explain it better. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 51. Mon 11-11-91 17:56 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Big Boy Subject: fatcat backers ALSO SEE: 43. Greed (in the *best* sense of the word) IS making hemp re-legalization impossible to stop. It's re-legalization is inevitable because of the profit-potential. There's no shortage of investors waiting in the wings. The problem is that it's ILLEGAL now. When it's re-legalized, then we'll also see the more famous big-money people jumping on the band wagon and probably pretending it was their idea. Kimberly-Clark is active in hemp production in Europe. Levi's Corp is looking at hemp for their jeans, which used to be made from hemp. The Big Oil and Pharmaceutical Guys are going to protect their investments and infrastructure as long as they can. They already are aware of the threat hemp poses to them and will continue to fight against it. Hemp will do nothing for Oil and Pharmaceuticals except eat into their market share. For other companies which aren't into Oil and Pharmaceuticals, being in the forefront of this movement is not attractive because it is anathama in the eye of the public. The public has to be made aware of the truth about hemps' usefulness before it is acceptable. The hemp movement is about education...it is old information put into a new integrated awareness. A hemp economy will resemble Toffler's third wave of a decentralized global community. The $500 billion figure is an estimate from the Business Alliance for Commerce in Hemp's studies into the use of hemp for 50,000 existing commercial products. I don't find the figure to be offensive, but if it bothers you, then substitute a figure you're more comfortable with. It won't change the importance of the hemp info one bit. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 53. Tue 11-12-91 14:57 (NO KILL) From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Local Hemp Organizations Here's a list of local contacts in the Hemp Movement you can contact for more information, or to get involved, or to rag on if you disagree.... . Hemp Initiative Project Jon Baraga 1015 S. Gaylord # 181 Denver, Co 80209 (303) 470-1100 ext 511 They need petitioners for the 1992 Hemp Initiative. . No More Drug War Foundation P.O. Box 18780 Denver, Co 80218 . Rocky Mountain Hemp Network Connie Barr-Rowe P.O. Box 150804 Lakewood, CO 80215 (303) 239-6410 or 470-1100 ext 611 (leave msg) General Hemp Info, Coalition of people with illnesses requiring hemp for medicine. Lots of legal hemp products such as clothing, nutritional hemp products, etc. . NORML-Colorado 137 W. County Line Road #500 Littleton, Co 80215 (303) 470-1100 Hemp information, lawyer referal, lots of other info. . Sustainable Futures Auga Das, director (303) 470-1100 ext 711 Your one stop shop for hemp-seed oil, hemp-seed cake, instructional hemp videos. . Auraria Hemp Club Student Union Building Room 230-C, Meets every monday 3:30-5:00 PM Headed up by a knowledgable herbalist, lots of good info and videos. . Hemp Educational Media Productions Rt. 7, Box 373 Golden, Co 80403 Hemp videos, information, general rabble-rousing. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 55. Tue 11-12-91 15:22 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: Ballot Wording.... The final wording will be determined by the Ballot Access Committee appointed by the Secretary of State. I imagine it will be quite a battle to get them to word it fairly...."Should reefer-crazed ruffians be allowed to touch your children?"...etc. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 56. Tue 11-12-91 15:35 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Quote for the day... "The Greatest service which can be rendered to any country is to add a useful plant to its culture." Thomas Jefferson Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 58. Wed 11-13-91 7:09 (NO KILL) From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: What's a FIJA? FIJA stands for the Fully Informed Jury Alliance. This is a national organization started by a couple of freedom minded patriots in Montana, of all places. It's purpose is, ostensibly, to get laws passed in each state requiring judges to inform juries of their right to practice what is known as "Jury Nullification." I say 'ostensibly' because I think their real purpose is to educate the public of the fact that we all have the right to nullify law when we sit on a jury. Jury nullification means that when you sit on a jury, you're not only judging the guilt or innocence of the accused, you're also judging the law which the accused is charged with breaking. If you think the law is a bad one, or if you think that it is a good law being misapplied, then you have the right (and obligation) to vote for an acquital regardless of the facts of the case (even if the accused was caught "red-handed"). The right of jury-nullification goes back to the days of the Magna-Carta and has been traditionally practiced in this country. It is the ultimate of our checks and balances to keep an oppressive gov't from passing laws of which we disapprove. In American case law (Georgia v. Brailsford 1794) the concept was codified by Chief Justice John Jay. So how come we haven't heard about it lately? Because in 1964 (in a case involving draft-card burning as protest to the Viet Nam war) the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that jurors were no longer to be informed of this right by any officer of the court(including both prosecuting and defense attorneys.) We still have the right of nullification....it's just that the court doesn't have to tell us about it during the course of a trial, anymore. So what? So this. If called to be a juror, you won't have to send anyone to jail for violating hemp laws! (or any other law with which you disagree.) All it takes is one juror to hang a jury. In fact, during the last four yeats of alcohol prohibition, half of all such trials ended in acquitals or hung juries due to juries excercising their right of jury nullification. This helped bring alcohol prohibition to a grinding halt. We must send the same signal about hemp-prohibition. Refuse to send your bro's and sis's to jail! Right now, in Kentucky (traditionally a hemp- growing state) somewhere between one-third to one-half of hemp cultivation cases being brought to trial do not end in convictions because of jury nullification! We may be in a police-state now, with the Bill of Rights being destroyed through Drug-War hysteria, but we still have enough of the tools of freedom left to fight back and win this thing. And we have to win. The quality of life for us and our kids depends on our victory. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 59. Wed 11-13-91 7:45 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: More on FIJA I want to make it clear that when a jury nullifies a law, that law is not wiped off the books....it is nullified only in the particular case on trial. Also, often these days, a judge will charge a jury to judge only the facts of a case. I think some judges do this from ignorance of the jury-nullification concept. I think most judges, however, are just plain lying. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 61. Wed 11-13-91 15:05 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Quote for the Day... ALSO SEE: 62. "The casual user, if there is such a thing as a casual user, ought to be taken out and shot, because he or she has no reason to use drugs." Daryl F. Gates L.A. Chief of Police(Ret.) & Father of the D.A.R.E Pogrom ... unanswerable logic. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 62. Wed 11-13-91 17:47 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Quote for the Day... ALSO SEE: 61. | "The casual user, if there is such a thing as a casual user, ought to be | taken out and shot, because he or she has no reason to use drugs." | Daryl F. Gates L.A. Chief of Police(Ret.) | & Father of the D.A.R.E Pogrom It has perfect logic. If you are doing bad or un-healthy things to your body, we will help you stop by killing you. That way you will never do anything bad to your body again. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 63. Thu 11-14-91 6:48 (NO KILL) From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: clear as mud ALSO SEE: 65. Oh!.....I get it. I've been puzzling about why some folks have a hard time with the potential high-buck projections (such as the $500 billion I mentioned a few msgs back) concerning hemp. Big Boy isn't the only one with a "?" over his head. I assume no one will object if I try to clear this up.... If the Hemp-fairy waved its wand tonight and hemp was completely legal tomorrow for all its applications, we would not have an instant "new" $500 billion to play with. This high figure is based on the Replacement of an entire fossil-fuel industry, the *replacement* of and industry based on wood-for-paper, the replacement of most wood for construction, the replacement of about 50% of the pharmaceuticals presently on the market, the replacement of cotton, plastic, toxic paints and varnishes, and on and on. It would mean the replacement of the synthetic with the natural, and the replacement of our present way of thinking. It would call for, what amounts to, a Hemp-based economy. Unrealistic? It all depends on your point of view. My point of view is: It's unrealistic to continue depending on fossil-fuels when industry studies project that 80% of our oil reserves will be used up by the turn of the century; it's unrealistic to continue the planned de-forestation of the planet and all that ensues. I think it's unrealistic to continue to crank out non-biodegradable plastics and other poisons. Unrealistic to expect farmers to suffer and atrophy on $150-$200 per acre crops, when hemp could bring them $400- $600 per acre today. Unrealistic to have an economy based on anything other than sustainable-renewable-agricultural products. Look at the box that holds your CRT, your CPU, and look at your keyboard....everything you see there(except the CRT) could be made with Hemp grown by an American farmer! We have to change the way we think in order to survive. And I'm no gloomy doomsayer....We will survive. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 64. Thu 11-14-91 7:26 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Quote for the day... "It's the only newspaper with the courage to tell the truth:Everything's OK." Homer Simpson talking about USA TODAY. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 65. Thu 11-14-91 7:47 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: clear as mud ALSO SEE: 63, 66, 68. So, Kind Bud, you're saying that the hemp industry will supersede current industries, not add an extra $500B/year to the GNP. Plausible, but I'm still skeptical, because there's plenty of other nations on the globe that don't have any trees or oil, and if all they had to do was grow hemp to make themselves economically self-sufficient, what's holding them back? They sure grow a lot of hemp for personal "pleasure" Nyuk Nyuk! Is all of the $500B/year a replacement figure, or is there some new GNP to be generated from unique products, and if so, what is that figure? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 66. Thu 11-14-91 17:25 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Big Boy Subject: clear as mud ALSO SEE: 65. | themselves economically self-sufficient, what's holding them back? They We (as in the good ol' USA) are holding them back. We don't let anybody grow it, if they do, we cut off their aid, and send in the CIA to overthrow their government. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 67. Fri 11-15-91 3:11 (RECV'D) From: Digital Dave To: Big Boy Subject: Broken Record Why are you so hung up on this $500 billion dollar nyuk nyuk? With all the evil nyuk nyuks that threaten to destroy our planet and its people, and all the beneficial nyuks nyuks of hemp, $500 billion nyuk nyuks more or less are just that. Who gives a flying nyuk? Are we missing the big picture here? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 68. Fri 11-15-91 7:39 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Big Boy Subject: some does, some doesn't ALSO SEE: 65, 69. The Foad speaks well. Many countries are currently bound by U.N. Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of March 30,1961-International Treaty on 'Marijuana' Production & Law. This was pushed through the U.N. by the U.S. and maintains the fiction that 'Marijuana' is a Schedule One Narcotic, meaning it has NO KNOWN medicinal value. Since that time the U.S. has "paid" many third world countries to abide by this treaty and criminalize the commercial production of hemp. Singapore used to produce extremely fine hemp-cloth, but at the behest of our govt made its' cultivation a capital offense in 1971. But it would be a mistake to think that other countries are not jumping on the hemp bandwagon. Italy, France, Spain, Denmark, Holland, and China are currently producing hemp for paper, bio- mass and textiles. Kimberly Clark is involved in France's hemp-pulp industry. The industry is new(at least in Europe) but it must be making sense to somebody. Last April, Russia sent an agricultural delegation to Minnesota to meet with John Birenbach of the institute for hemp. Their purpose was to re-learn hemp cultivation and processing proceedures. I say "re-learn" because Russia was a leading producer of hemp back in the 19th century. Russia is getting back into hemp production and they are dead-nuts serious. As to the $500B/yr, no it is not all a replacement figure. There would be immediate increase in GNP with the introduction of hemp cultivation/ production and serveral thousand new jobs. As to the exact amount, I do not have that info....but I know who might: Business Alliance for Commerce in Hemp (B.A.C.H.) (213) 288-4152 LA, Ask for Chris (209) 277-1319 Fresno, Ca ask for Chuck (619) 274-0034 San Diego, ask for John (415) 826-0787 San Fran. ask for Peter (916) 444-0718 Sacramento ask for Matthew (404) 928-0827 Atlant, GA ask for Kathy (404) 739-1870 Atlanta,GA ...James (808) 969-9712 Hilo, HI ...Roger (515) 243-7351 Des Moines...Carl (502) 895-7757 Louisville, KY...Randy (504) 899-8417 New Orleans...Gary This list just scratches the surface of the BACH representatives in the U.S. and Canada.....one of these folks ought to be able to answer your questions regarding hemponomics. If not, let me know and I'll continue down the list 'till we find someone who can. My phone bill has quadrupled since getting involved in this thing and don't plan on making any more calls for the rest of the month...if your in a hurry, give one of these folks a call....Also try John Birenbach of the Inst. for Hemp in St. Paul (612) 222-2628....a very friendly fellow and knowledgeable. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 69. Fri 11-15-91 8:28 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: some does, some doesn't ALSO SEE: 68, 72. Well, you sidestepped the issue, so if you want to substantiate your OWN allegations better, that's your DUTY, according to my high school debating team coach Nyuk Nyuk! I'm not trying to destroy your credibility, Bud, I just don't like unsubstantiated allegations that, if I repeated them, might make me look like a kook. I'll bet you've never run a company that has revenues of $500 thousand, so $500 billion is such a big number to casually toss out, a human mind can almost not even conceive what it truly means. So pardon me, but it needs a lot of substantiation, a whole lot of it. Of course, I don't even care personally Nyuk Nyuk! But I'm sure you want converts, and they might, so how 'bout plugging up the holes before the really big critics move in and reduce you to the size of a peanut Nyuk Nyuk! (Such as my mother-in-law Nyuk Nyuk!) BTW, did David Duke tell you that if all the "inferior races" were exterminated and made into fertilizer, it would bring in SIX HUNDRED billion dollars? Nyuk Nyuk! And at the rate they breed, the "resource" would be annually "renewable" Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 70. Fri 11-15-91 16:58 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: GRAND OPENING! GRAND OPENING! November 30---A new store selling hemp products exclusively. HEMPwear, etc. 1090 S. Wadsworth, Unit D Grand Opening Giveaways! Bring the kids! ... Also, Alfalfa's market is now carrying Das's Hemp Seed Oil. ... I have no idea how this will impact the GNP. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 71. Fri 11-15-91 17:07 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Fastest growing club on campus The Auraria Hemp Club is growing by leaps and bounds....80 members and moving forward....they have regular meetings on mondays at the Student Union building from 3:30 - 5:30 with a public information table in operation on mondays from 10:00 am - 3:15: lots of good info and videos to view....some of them are mine, so go buy one. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 72. Fri 11-15-91 17:15 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Big Boy Subject: some does, some doesn't ALSO SEE: 69. I've no less credibility than anyone else quoting economic predictions. When the Hemp Initiative petition hits the Sec. of States office, it will be accompanied by an economic-impact statement. When I get it, you'll get it. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 73. Sat 11-16-91 7:38 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: those who live in grass houses An outfit called Mansion Industries is introducing a new type of house called Pyramod. It gets its name form the pyramidal shape of its' roof. The structural system is made entirely of compressed agricultural fiber paneling, making for a low cost, high quality home. They are currently using rice, wheat-straw, kenaf, or sugar-cane. The fibers are heated to 400 degrees F compressed under extremely high pressure and bonded with an adhesive. They are looking for entrepeneurs who would like to start a factory locally. Their address is: Mansion Industries 14425 E. Clark Ave/P O Box 2220 Industry, CA 91746 . It appears that we are now able to "grow" our own housing. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 74. Sat 11-16-91 19:14 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: A Giant Step Forward... In the elections held earlier this month, the city of San Francisco voted on Proposition P, legalizing the medical use of Cannabis Hemp. Proposition P passed by an amazing 79.1%. This bill is an "advisory" in that it does not affect Calif. State law nor the Feds, but it does send a strong msg to Sacramento. The San Francisco DA has promised to respect it. Watch for the Great San Fransisco Glaucoma Epidemic of 1992! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 75. Sat 11-16-91 19:19 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: The Power of One.... Here's a few things each of us can do: 1. Learn the facts. Any of the organizations I've posted will be more than happy to help you learn about hemp. "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer is an excellent source book. B.A.C.H has a lot of practical info for getting into the legal hemp business. 2. Talk about hemp to friends, family, co-workers and everybody. Never get tired and never be ashamed. Just say you think hemp should be made legal again. You'll be amazed at how many agree. Talk about medical marijuana, free choice and non-smoking commercial hemp(rope, paper, fabric, fuel, oil, food, etc.) Be proud of what you believe! This is America. Remember, you're in good company: Both Washington and Jefferson were hemp farmers. Pretend the entire movement rests on your shoulders. Never get tired of talking about hemp. 3. Photocopy literature to pass out and send with your letters. Rubber Stamps are available for your envelopes. 4. Write letters to your elected officials, newspapers, magazines, TV& radio stations. Be brief and clear. I'll be posting some "sample" letters soon. 5. Help out a local group. Attend meetings. Make phone calls, do office work, fold and mail literature, etc. Offer your special skills (like data entry, research, speaking, art, organizing, copying, etc). 6. Donate money to local groups. Contribute SUPPLIES or postage! All groups need access to free or cheap printing services. Donate books and magazines subscriptions to schools and libraries. Later on in the Spring, we'll be needing Billboard space, etc. 7. Never let a lie (marijuana causes brain-damage, etc) to go by. Stand up and correct people when they speak ill of this plant. 8. Register to vote! You have to be a registered voter to sign the Hemp Initiative petition. Voting also gets you on the prospective jurors list and may afford you an opportunity to excerice the right of jury-nullification in a hemp-law case. We have the power to STOP sending good people to jail! 9. Stay positive and be happy! We live in exciting times. Great things are afoot! You have an opportunity to live the patriotic rhetoric we've all grown up with. Use the method of CONVERSION rather than confrontation. Trust that people are capable of making the right decision when given all the information. 55% of Coloradoans are in favor of re-legalizaton NOW! It's up to us to educate the public about medicine/paper/fiber/fuel/food/non-toxic paints and varnishes, etc. Once this information is learned, it cannot be ignored. (there are only two types of people who can ignore hemp: the hoplessly ignorant and the politically corrupt!) 1992 is going to be a fun and exciting year! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 76. Sun 11-17-91 19:36 (RECV'D) From: Ace Mon To: Kind Bud Subject: Good Views I'm TRULY glad to see a forum of this type. I've been advocating the legalization of hemp for years and years. When you consider how addictive nicotine is (and destructive), it almost makes me ashamed to call myself an American. Here we have so many other legal chemicals that cause lung cancer, liver damage, etc., yet a harmless substance like hemp is stuck in the same "tarnished" corner as coke, crack, heroin, et all. However, despite the recent decade of conservative rulings, I see (and hear) more and more people beginning to see the hypocracy of such laws. I'm working every avenue that I can to help with the legalization and taxation of hemp, from discussions with friends and coworkers, to letters to state and federal legislators. I will not stop! The savings and benefits of legalized hemp are enormous. The first (and obvious) savings are the elimination of the so-called "drug war", which would allow budget funds to be used for more important social issues. Taxing hemp might prove to be lucrative enough to help destroy our staggering deficit. Ah, the ramifications boggle the mind. Anyway, enough flogging on my part. Thanks for cluing me into this section - I'll be checking it out from time to time. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 77. Mon 11-18-91 20:35 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: D U NORML The University of Denver chapter of NORML meets Wednesday nights at 9:00 at B A Room 209. All are welcomed. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 78. Mon 11-18-91 20:37 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Contemporary Folk Hero in town ALSO SEE: 79. Set aside December 6th. Jack Herer, author of "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" will be in Denver. Jack is probably America's foremost authority on the commercial use of cannabis hemp. He'll give a lecture and there will be a book-signing. I'll post more info as it becomes available. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 79. Tue 11-19-91 17:02 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Contemporary Folk Hero in town ALSO SEE: 78, 80. When did jack get outta the slammer? I thought the good folks of South Carolina had managed to get him under raps. Glad he's out. Did they drop the charges, or did he make bail? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 80. Wed 11-20-91 7:02 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: Contemporary Folk Hero in town ALSO SEE: 79, 81, 82. He made bail. I don't know all the details yet, but I hear they tore the sh*t out of his R-V, confiscated all his T-shirts, books, videos, etc. Kind of devestating, when you consider he makes his living from his travelling hemp-show. I'll talk to Connie over at Rocky Mtn Hemp today and see if I can learn more. There still looking for an indoor place to hold the rally....any suggestions? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 81. Wed 11-20-91 8:08 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: Contemporary Folk Hero in town ALSO SEE: 80, 83. The Regency Hotel, I-25 and 38th Ave. They have all kinds of meeting rooms, from small to large. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 82. Wed 11-20-91 18:20 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Contemporary Folk Hero in town ALSO SEE: 80, 84. | see if I can learn more. There still looking for an indoor place to hold | the rally....any suggestions? If it would be acceptable for the Auraria Hemp club to be the offical host, then I can check on the gym or the student union. We have a meeting this saturday, I'll light it and see if it smokes. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 84. Thu 11-21-91 5:16 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: Contemporary Folk Hero in town ALSO SEE: 82, 85. I don't think there will be a problem with Auraria Hemp Club being official host....either the gym or the student union sounds good....they should be aware that there will be live bands. I'll run it up the hemp- stalk and see who salutes it over at NORML/Rcky Mtn Hemp. tks. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 85. Thu 11-21-91 9:05 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: Big Plans? ALSO SEE: 84, 86, 119. So, when are yuse guys gonna set up a Rocky Mt. Hemp Board, and then a national hemp board net? Use them to publish and circulate mainly text files and messages/bulletins, and to feed your nets into other nets such as Fido. Make the netmail system work across a variety of board and pc types to have a wider reach. Spread the info. among lots of boards in different states and you'll be immune from "interference", if you know what I mean Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 86. Fri 11-22-91 6:57 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Big Boy Subject: Big Plans? ALSO SEE: 85, 88. Just as soon as possible. The only things I'm lacking are Time, Money, and Know-how. Open to suggestions. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 87. Fri 11-22-91 6:59 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Library Project ALSO SEE: 90. The following is from the Colorado Hemp Initiative Project: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ THE EMPEROR WEARS NO CLOTHES LIBRARY PROJECT In order to fully inform all high school students in Colorado about hemp, we make this offer: send $15 plus $3 postage to H.I.P. and we will donate one copy of "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" to the Colorado high school library of your choice. Or you may allow us to select a school. Author Jack Herer's fine resource book about hemp is a "must" read for every high school student in the state. Our intention is to insure each student access to this book this year. Please help our youth to know the true facts about hemp. This could potentially be our most important information promotion this year. This book is the "bible" of hemp. Order a copy for yourself also. H.I.P 1015 South Gaylord #181 Denver, Co 80209 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I see two possible things happening here, and both of them are good: 1. The book will find its' way into many school libraries, and/or... 2. Some tight-ass will attempt to "ban" the book, thereby insuring that every student in the state will WANT to read it. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 88. Fri 11-22-91 11:03 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: Big Plans? ALSO SEE: 86, 89. You're also lacking a little plastic object called a Round Tuit. Sorry, I'm fresh out Nyuk Nyuk! Suggestions? 1. Download a BBS sw pkg, GTP is just waiting for d/l on my h.d., but there's a whole lot more, for you I'd recommend Telegard because it has a million neat "security" or access features. 2. Start a BBS part time at first, then get a spare pc and phone line and go 24 hours. Can't the "movement" adopt the board and contribute $$? 3. Advertise to other "brothers" the idea, and maybe they'll have pcs that can turn into boards and hook up to your new "net". 4. Pretty soon you won't be able to live without it. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 90. Fri 11-22-91 20:19 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Library Project ALSO SEE: 87, 92. | I see two possible things happening here, and both of them are good: | 1. The book will find its' way into many school libraries, and/or... | 2. Some tight-ass will attempt to "ban" the book, thereby insuring that | every student in the state will WANT to read it. I'll put my money on Number two. It's sad, but I don't think we will Jack's bood in the school librarys any time soon. s Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 92. Sat 11-23-91 7:48 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: The Foad Subject: Library Project ALSO SEE: 90, 94. I wish youse guys would wake up and smell the roses. Publish your materials electronically, not on paper (tree or hemp Nyuk Nyuk!). If you can talk Jack H. into it, you can electronicize his book into a text file or files that can be on every school's apple in months, and would be unstoppable. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 93. Sat 11-23-91 7:50 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: The Foad Subject: BBS ALSO SEE: 91, 95. Just get half of them to call my board Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 94. Sat 11-23-91 10:12 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Big Boy Subject: Library Project ALSO SEE: 92. Good Idea, but the logistics of it would be a bid difficult. Unless Jack still has an eltronic copy of his book. Also, this is a captilist society, for now anyway, and Jack does Sell his book to make his living, pay his bail, pay his lawyers, get his motor home fixed after the NC Storm Troopers tore it apart ans so fourth. I think the Double-Dare-Program is the best bet. It's going to be one mother**cker of a court battle to get one started here in Denver thou. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 100. Wed 11-27-91 7:48 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Jack Herer's visit.... Jack Herer("The Emperor Wears No Clothes") will be in town Dec. 6... He will meet the public at HEMPwear, etc...1090 S. Wadsworth Unit D all day...10 AM - 8 PM....He'll be signing books and answering any questions you might have about hemp. HEMPwear, etc is Denver's only hemp- only store....just a reminder, HEMPwear, etc has it's grand opening on Sat, Nov 30 .....giveaways, hoopla. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 105. Wed 11-27-91 20:57 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: BBS ALSO SEE: 101, 109. I'll be there on the 6th, but I don't know about this saturday. Does sound like a fun family outing. I'm really looking forward to meeting Jack. Just got done organizing the club rouster. It looks like we got about 150 members, after alowing for smart asses sighing phoney names. Our table at the Student Union was a real kick in the ass this week. We got put right between Citibank and the Marine Recruters. We tried to be nice, but the jarheads got real hostile when we offered them a free (a two dollor value) bumper sticker. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 108. Fri 11-29-91 14:14 From: The Foad To: All Subject: Fatigue I was watching Heraldo's "Now it Can be Told' the other night. Not the most reliable Journalist, but he hit on a real interesting area. A few years back, when drugs started causing trains to run into each other, and planes started falling out of the sky, sometimes before, some times after running into other planes, the FAA and DOT both losened up the rest requiremnetsents for the operationrs of these vehicles. It used to be that piolots and other operators were required to have a minimum of eight hours rest between shifts and shift lengths /, and varried, depending on the job. Now, they are only required to have SIX hours between shifts. I don't know if there is any limit on the length of the shift. A lot of these people that were supposrdly on drugs at the time of the accident had been working for thirteen or more hours, often with no break. Both the FAA and the DOT refuse to acknowledge the posibilty that fatigue could be causing these accidents. Perhaps the we shouldn't be so worried about wether or not the pilot was blowing a dobbie last night, but wether or not the airlines let him get any sleep last night. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 109. Mon 12-02-91 18:09 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: 60 Minutes ALSO SEE: 105, 110. I guess marines haven't changed much, though a lot I knew 20+ years ago were virtual smoking machines....different times, different circumstances. Last night 60 Minute did an excellent piece on medical marijuana. One doctor they interviewed preferred to prescribe a certain pharmaceutical drug (not marijuana) but it turned out THAT drug costs about $600 per day. Another doctor nailed it:Pharmaceutical companies are against hemp because they can't patent a plant. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 110. Mon 12-02-91 22:02 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: 60 Minutes ALSO SEE: 109, 113. I really ment to watch it, but I couldn't be home. I did set my VCR, but it pretty much watches what it wants to watch. So, I missed it. Did they bring out that the Bush-man takes Maranol (sp?). I guess when one make $250,000-plus-perks per year, one can afford a few hundred a day. But those of us of a somewhat lower income braket) [Db bracket would sure find it nice to be able to grow it in our back yard for nothing. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 111. Tue 12-03-91 9:56 From: The Lensman To: All Subject: Hempwear ALSO SEE: 112, 120. Does anyone know what the story is on the Hempwear store that was supposed to open last weekend at Wadsworth and Mississippi? I stopped by for the scheduled grand opening last Saturday to find an empty storefront. Is it a lost cause or just a delayed one... and until when? Greg Bradt aka ()The Lensman() Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 112. Tue 12-03-91 17:30 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: The Lensman Subject: Hempwear ALSO SEE: 111. I haven't actualy been there YET, but it is right next to where the Rocky Moutian Hemp Network has been meeting, so I got a good idea why you didnt find it. The shopping center it's located in has two addresses. The 'L' shaped part is actualy 1080 S Wadsworth. 1090 S Wadsworth is the building in the center of the parking lot. Both 1080 and 1090 have a unit D, so chances are you went to 1080, next to the blood center. From what I understan, it's been open, but the big grand opening is going to be this Saturday. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 113. Thu 12-05-91 6:19 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: 60 Minutes ALSO SEE: 110, 117. No...they didn't mention King Geo's use of marinol...please tell me more. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 115. Thu 12-05-91 6:22 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Give 'em enough rope... Hemp rope, that is....One of the benefits of living under an unwieldy bureaucracy is that it will always trip itself up with its own statistics. The following comes to us from the Federal Bureau of Mortality Statistics: How Dangerous is Marijuana Compared To Other Substances? # of Deaths Per Year Tobacco..............................340,000 to 425,000 Alcohol..............................150,000+ Aspirin..............................180 to 1,000+ 'Legal' Drug Overdose................14,000 to 27,000 MARIJUANA............................0 Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 116. Thu 12-05-91 14:53 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Today In History... December 5, 1933 Alcohol Prohibition Repealed by Citizen Referendum... Shows that, when given the chance, we CAN do something right. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 117. Thu 12-05-91 17:50 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: 60 Minutes ALSO SEE: 113, 118. You mean that you of all people didn't know that fearless leader has Glacoma (sp?). Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 118. Fri 12-06-91 7:27 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: squinty George... ALSO SEE: 117. I had no idea.....I'll bet ya he and Babs have a bong squirreld away somewhere (Kinnebunkport?) Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 119. Fri 12-06-91 20:40 (RECV'D) From: Nasty Bitch To: Big Boy Subject: Question ALSO SEE: 85, 124. I'm sorry, but I just got here. But I don't understand what you are talking about. What is Hemp? It sounds very familire. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 120. Fri 12-06-91 20:44 (RECV'D) From: Nasty Bitch To: The Lensman Subject: Hempwear ALSO SEE: 111, 121. Oaky, I see now. It's like halson, or chick. what kind of clothes does Hemp make? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 121. Sat 12-07-91 7:58 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Nasty Bitch Subject: Hempwear ALSO SEE: 120. Hi, you Nasty Bitch, you. Welcome to this part of the board. Hemp is a fiber yielding plant which has been cultivated for 12,000 years. These days it's more popularly known as marijuana, a term coined by the Hearst newspapers during the smear campaign of the 30's. It can be made into just about any kind of cloth from the coarsest canvas (the Dutch word for cannabis) to elegant silk-like materials. The famous old Irish linens were originally made from hemp. The original long-lasting Levi's jeans were made from hemp. Unlike cotton, on which 50% of our agricultural pesticides/herbicides are used, hemp requires no such poisons. Hemp can be made into long-lasting paper so we can save our forests. Hemp can be made into fuel for energy to run our cars/homes/factories. It will yield from 20-60 barrels methanol fuel per acre, making it the #1 bio-mass source. The Business Alliance for Commerce in Hemp estimates that it can provide 90% of our energy. We don't need nuclear power and we don't have to go to war in the Gulf again. Hemp, as medicine, has hundreds of uses. It is saving thousands of lives. Chemo-therapy and AIDS therapy produce what is called a "Wasting Syndrom"....patients lose their appetite and are plagued by a terrible nausea which hinders the use of oral medications. Smoking the leaves and flowers of the hemp plant stops the nausea, revives their appetite and lets them live. 10,000 glaucoma sufferers can save their vision by smoking hemp(10,000 per year in this country alone.) Hemp seeds yield cheap and plentiful food-stuffs, more versatile than the soybean. It can cheaply and quickly feed the starving people of this country and the third world. Not ten years from now. This could be a reality in less than a year, after hemp is relegalized. Anything petroleum makes, can be made from hemp. It can be made into plastic, etc. It can be made into fiberboard and other construction materials. With a profit potential of $500-$700 (or higher) per acre, it will save family farms. I believe our success in the coming century depends on our stewardship and utilization of this God-given miracle plant. I have also heard that smoking the leaves and flowers of this plant produces a mild-but-enjoyable relaxing effect. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 122. Sat 12-07-91 8:20 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Fidonet Hemp Echo ALSO SEE: 123, 125. The sysop over at The Circuit Board BBS (303) 666-0302 is working very hard to start up a National Hemp Echo. In order to justify an echo, he needs to have a lot of hemp-topic traffic going in the next week or so. From the main menu tap 9 for Rocky Mountain Hemp Network Information area. Let's all (both of us) make time to leave hemp msgs/info over there for him. I think this is going to be the first hemp echo, and it's very important....patriotic hempsters all over this great land can communicate with each other quickly and exchange ideas, schedules, who's in jail, who needs bail-money, who's going to be where, etc. It's also a quick way to educate the curious. The best thing about hemp info is that once you learn it, you can't forget it. You can't make it go away. It is turning thousands of people into dedicated activists. And it's the most fun many of us have had in years. My God....I think we're actually going to win this thing.... Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 123. Sat 12-07-91 13:22 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Kind Bud Subject: Fidonet Hemp Echo ALSO SEE: 122, 126, 127. Only problem is the Circuit Board is a FEE board. If you don't pay the fee, you barely get enough time to log on. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 124. Sat 12-07-91 18:14 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Nasty Bitch Subject: Question ALSO SEE: 119. Try reading the first 100 or so posts in this sub Nyuk Nyuk! Maybe you need to SMELL it to get the idea Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 125. Sat 12-07-91 18:15 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: Fidonet Hemp Echo ALSO SEE: 122. I just tried the Circuit Board 666-0302, and my gosh, you're right Nyuk Nyuk! Just hit 9 from the Main Menu and you're in a veritable Hempland, on their much superior multiline Cadillac rig Nyuk Nyuk! Nice! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 126. Sat 12-07-91 18:16 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: The Foad Subject: Fidonet Hemp Echo ALSO SEE: 123, 128. Well, you get more time if you upload them something first, so just have something ready, and maybe your access will improve. Maybe Kind Bud can swing a deal where those who get into the Hemp section of the board are given improved access just by posting a message there? Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 127. Sun 12-08-91 6:48 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Foad Subject: Special Dispensation ALSO SEE: 123. I'll do that! There are many of us who are chronically self-employed, students, victims of IRS tyranny, etc (I have three kids in college!) and might be apt to avoid FEE type boards...In the mean time, just d/loading the registration form will net you more time. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 128. Sun 12-08-91 8:49 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Big Boy Subject: Fidonet Hemp Echo ALSO SEE: 126. I tried uploading, but you don't get much time to look around and see what they don't have. That and I can't get any protocal to work, not even xmodem. It downloads ok. I tried to leave a note asking if he had any suggestons, but I could't figure out how to exit the message editor. I guess I was having a bad day. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 129. Tue 12-10-91 12:40 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Fed.Judge sees the light.... A friend of mine in local broadcasting told me of a recent AP newservice wire he recently saw. In W. Palm Beach FLA Fed Judge James C. Paine called for re-legalization of cannabis and other substances in his address to the Federal Bar Assn (I'm guessing the Fed Bar is for Fed Judges...not to be confused with the A B A.) He drew parallels between the current prohibition and the old Alcohol Prohibition, and said:"Trying to wage war on 23 million Americans who are obviously very committed to certain recreational activities is not working." The report said that other judges in attendance were "intrigued" by the concept. In 1988 DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young recommended that marijuana be reclassified as a Schedule II drug:"Based upon the facts established in this record and set out above, one must reasonably conclude that there is accepted safety for use of marijuana...To conclude otherwise, on this record, would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious..." Slowly, but surely. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 130. Tue 12-10-91 23:49 (RECV'D) From: Rick Blair To: The Foad Subject: D.A.R.E. ALSO SEE: 8, 132. I was bothered by one of your statements. It referred to the police not really being our friends. While I may not always agree with every law enacted, I do recognize their job is to enforce these laws. I believe the problem lies with the law and not the police. My attitude is probably biased in that a very close friend is an officer. I would not trade places with him for anything due to the nature of his job. I do respect him and the other officers I have met personally. Please do not take this as an all encompassing endorsement for all officers. There are bad apples in each walk of life. Just wanting to suggest all not be judged by the actions of a few or due to misdirected frustration over the legal system. Best of luck with your family. Rick Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 131. Wed 12-11-91 10:16 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: Comments ALSO SEE: 135, 228. I got a private message t'other day by user Andy Weiss, I think he really wanted it to go in this sub, so I'm quoting it in full. He must have just read the One Plant article off the Bulletin menu. Very interesting argument. Here are some counter facts. The rain forests are being demolished for grazing land for cattle not paper production. Increased CO2 follows global warming, it isn't a cause this is a documented fact I just read in this months edition of either Scientific American or Discover. As far as relief goes for medical conditions I'd rather be cured, not temporarially relieved. Didn't China use opium for relief in the 1800's as it was heading to be a world power and ended up a third world pit with a majority of it population laying in opium dens? Yes, I do know pot isn't nearly as addictive as opium, but the similiarity is there. Hemp would make great jeans, shirts, jackets, or whatever. I'd gladly pay less for a pair of jeans that lasted much longer than cotton while being just as comfortable if not more comfortable. Poeple who are against drugs see your argument as a little step in the legalization of pot because they believe that members of NORML want to be able to smoke some thunder fuck or skunk weed without the threat of jail a lot more than they're interested in glaucoma or cancer patients. And legalizing pot is just a step in the legalization of all drugs. That's what some people believe and they are as scared of drugs as they are of change be it for the better or worse. The government falls under this catagory. I heard about how we paid the Chinese gov't to destroy some of their large hemp fields and in the process 3 species of birds that needed the large hemp fields to live were exterminated. I have friends who like to smoke pot and I've heard all the pro's, a lot more than the ones you've listed, and I've also heard the con's. One of my friends who really likes it thinks that its being illegal is good. He's knows too many people who, once they get some can't help themselves, they just sit there and smoke it till it's gone. I know a nurse who says she'd smoke it if it was legal but being professional and a member of a medical clinic, it would look real bad if she got busted, won't. bou has she got some stories of the days before she became professional. and the pictures of her fields too boot . I also know that there is much less violence as concerts when pot is plentyfull in the county as there is when pot is scarce. One of my friends who likes to smoke it tells me that he'll never go to a hemp rally. I don't know about the ones out here in Colorado, but the ones in Michigan are attended by 14 year olds in heavy metal t-shirts, 60's rejects and 60's wanna-bee's (his words). He says they hurt the cause more than they help it. Then a picture of the worst looking ones end up in the news paper to further convince every one else the pot destroys lives. It may sound like I've gone about a 180 degree turnabout, or was it 270 , either way I don't think NORML is going to mke a difference, especially with all the bad publicity that crack and gang violence is giving drugs even though crack is in no way similiar to pot. Is NORML trying to grow hemp for industry. The way I see it NORML isn't doing anything. It wants to legalize high THC pot. It's fighting big government and I don't think it has any chance of winning. Why doesn't it propose to grow low THC hemp in a prototype industry and produce some tough, cheap, comfortable cloth; oil; and food? I've rambled on long enough. I'll go browse the adult section and get aroused. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 132. Wed 12-11-91 17:44 (RECV'D) From: The Foad To: Rick Blair Subject: D.A.R.E. ALSO SEE: 130. Ah, new blood. I'm glad you are bothered by my attitude twards the police. I'm bothered by it too. I SHOULD not have that attitude. But we line in a country were not having that attitude has proven leathal to many. As far as the D.A.R.E. program, the officers flat out lie to the children, and they use their postion of authority to convince children to search their homes and turn their parents in if they find anything. Officers regularly take the possession of private citizens without So much as even filing charges. I could go on and on, but that would be pointless. I still stand by my belief that anybody who trusts a cop is a fool. As far a having friends that are cops.. I have many friends that are cops, I also have many friends, that like myself, didn't like the direction things are going, so they quit being cops. Did you know that there were eight bank robberies in the Denver area last week? The reason nobody hears about them is the cops on't give a diddly about them. What counts is taking the most property, and putting the most "junkies" in jail. In a survey taken a few months ago of children who had compleated the D.A.R.E. programing, there was a question about the job of the police officer. "What is the job of a police officer (A) To arrest people who break the law (B) To protect people 87 percent of the children answered "A". Mabye it's just a matter of semantics. But it scares the hell outa me. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 137. Sun 12-15-91 7:00 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Andy Weiss Subject: Permit me.... ALSO SEE: 183. Hi, Andy...welcome to the discussion. You've raised some interesting points, and I'd like to jump in and address them, if I may... |Rain forests are being demolished for grazing land for cattle, not for |paper... The destruction of the Brazilian includes agriculture as well as other timber-related enterprises. The Indonesian and South-East Asian rainforests are being decimated by the Japanese at an alarming rate strictly for traditional timber purposes. Our own North American forests are also in danger...According to the Dept. of the Interior, over 50% of our forests have been cut in the last half-century. The average age of an American tree is just under 8 years. Last spring, Wisconsin paper mills began receiving shipments of Brazilian Eucalyptus pulp to be made into paper. These are dollars that should be going to American farmers. A lot of sulfer acids are needed to pulp wood for paper...dioxins are released into the atmosphere and ground water. Hemp can be pulped using 1/5 to 1/7th the harmful chemicals needed to pulp wood. Roughly half the pesticides/herbicides used in agriculture are used on cotton, again seeping into our ground water supply....hemp needs no such poisons, and can be grown on marginal land where little else grows. |As far as relief goes for medical conditions, I'd rather be cured, not |temporarily relieved. I doubt you'd find any dissenters among the millions of people suffering from cancer, AIDS, glaucoma, MS, MD, epilepsy, asthma, anorexia, et al. Until those miracle cures are found, it's our responsibility to see to it that every American who needs marijuana for medicine recieves it immediately. To do anything less is worse than inhumane..it's insane. |I know pot is not nearly as addictive as opium... Right. I see no parallels between marijuana and opium, either, though alcohol and tobacco would certainly fit in that category: both are addictive and deadly. There is not a single marijuana induced death on record. |Hemp would make great jeans, shirts, jackets, etc. I'd gladly... Check out Hempware, etc, 1090 S Wadsworth, Unit D...Colorado's first full-blown hempery...hemp clothing, and other hemp products, including a brand of hempseed-oil called "Happy Hempster!" There is a reading room and video selection in the back of the store...you can view "Hemp For Victory!", a WWII propaganda film produced by the Dept. of Agriculture, encouraging farmers to grow 400,000 acres of hemp for the war effort. A lot of the "ditch-weed" found in the midwest is the progeny of that effort. While at Hempware, etc, you can sit and read "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer....the bible of the contemporary hemp movement. Or just drop by and say hi to Connie, who owns the store....she's an outspoken and patriotic lady, a true bulwark of the movement. She suffers from glaucoma and is full of info about the commercial/industrial/medical applications of cannabis hemp. Hempware, etc is open from 10 am to 8 pm Monday thru Saturday. |People who are againts drugs...believe that members of NORML want to be |able to smoke some Thunderfuck or Skunkweed without the threat of jail. At least we have no trouble getting that portion of our message across. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are not priveleges to be taken away at the whim of some petty despot...They are inalienable rights, and worth fighting for. It's not unreasonable for productive, responsible individuals to expect to be able to enjoy this herb without fear of imprisonment, property forfeiture and financial ruin. Drug War Hysteria has violated every one of our Bill of Rights, with the exception of Article III, the quartering of troops. Hemp is as much a freedom-movement, as an evironmental/economic/medicinal one. I believe if we don't fight for our freedom in this last decade of the 20th century, we probably won't have any in the next century. I think we'll win, because America is the country that started it all. |I don't think NORML is going to make a difference...Is NORML trying to grow hemp for industry? THe way I see it, NORML isn't doing anything. It wants to legalize high THC pot. It's fighting Big Government and I don't |think it has a chance of winning... C'mon Andy! Let's see that frown turn upside down! The Government is a dinosaur dying under it's own weight....still dangerous and deadly, but dying all the same. We can each run up and chuck a spear or two to help put it out of it's misery. It's unable to serve the needs of it's people Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 138. Sun 12-15-91 7:49 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Andy Weiss Subject: Part 2, how I do prattle on... unable to serve the needs of it's people. There is growing dissatisfaction everywhere. Our president's kid stole a billion (give or take) dollars. Links between the CIA and hard-drugs are well documented. Workers are being laid off in record numbers, and small businesses are failing at a higher rate than at any time in our history. People are ready to learn the truth about hemp and what it can do for our economy. And, there's never been a better time than the present for it's relegalization. Who among us could have predicted the fall of the Berlin Wall? The break-down of the Soviet Union? There's the smell of freedom in the air, and it's high time we spread some of around in the good old U S of A. |Why doesn't (NORML) propose to grow some low THC hemp in a prototype |industry and provide some tough, cheap, comfortable cloth:oil:food? Because it;s ILLEGAL to grow hemp. That's what this is all about. After a two year battle, John Birrenbach of the Institute for Hemp (St. Paul) has finally obtained the necessary permits from the Minnesota Department of Agriculture to grow 100 acres of Hemp in 1992. Now, he has to battle the feds to obtain THEIR permits, so that he can possess viable seed in order to plant the hemp. (Probably several more years in court.) A Russian agricultural delegation met with John last spring to learn hemp-harvesting/pulping methods. Russia was a leading producer of hemp in the last century, and are planning to get back into its production again.(Napolean invaded Russia to cut off Englands hemp supply.) Bill I. of Hemp Environmental Activists (Michigan State University) is also attempting to obtain the necessary permits for Hemp farming. The battle is being waged all across the country as the movement gains momentum. Jim Young, technical editor of PULP & PAPER Magazine (a wood-pulp industry rag) recently wrote an article:"It's Time To Reconsider Hemp." (June 1991) I also recommend a look at the May 2, 1991 WALL STREET JOURNAL's front page arcticle by Sonia L. Nazario:"What Is As Versatile As The Soybean But Illegal Anyway?" Willie Nelson, Gatewood Gailbraith, Hugh Downs and others are going public in support of hemp. It's an idea who's time has come. BTW, to listen to a 10 minute recording of Hugh Down's ABC 20/20 piece on Hemp, just call 470-1100 from your touch-tone phone....when connected, punch in 477. If you appreciate what you hear, then punch 411 for a complete directory of recorded information. There is a lot going on here that the general public is not yet aware of...the hemp movement is going to grow throughout the 90's....I'm out of time....talk to you later...come join us at Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion corner....check out the msgs and let us know what you're thinking.... KB Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 139. Sun 12-15-91 8:39 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Andy Weiss Subject: just one more thing... A local bio-mass specialist named Auga Das produces a show called "Sustainable Futures" on Mile High Community Access...the show often touches on the many applications of hemp...Das also runs a small company called Original Sources which produces hempseed-oil and hemp foods...Alfalfa's Market has recently started carrying the hempseed-oil...his oil and other hemp-food products are also available in several other health-food type strores. This holiday season, he's also marketing an egg-nog made from hempseed milk. If you have time to check out Kind Bud's Corner, but find the traffic too much to bear, try reading msg#'s 5/19/53/54/58-59/73/74/75... Sorry for all the typo's....My wood-stove is a slow starter and I'm freezing my fingers off..... Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 140. Mon 12-16-91 13:46 From: M Man To: All Subject: HEMPWARE ALSO SEE: 141. First of all I would like to say how great it is to see this type of disscusion going on. People are finally spreading the word! The Boulder Hemp Inititive Project (B.H.I.P.) was started this fall on the CU campus and there is lots of interest here. yes Meetings are tuesday evenings at 7:00pm and we meet just inside the doors of the UMC terrace entrance on the CU Boulder campus everyone is welcome. Has anyone been to Hempware yet? time is up Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 141. Tue 12-17-91 7:10 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: M Man Subject: Hello ALSO SEE: 140. and welcome to the discussion. Yes! I've been to HEMPware, etc. several times and the place is really popping. They've recieved excellent coverage from AP news service, Denver Post, and several radio stations...lots of good hemp products plus a reading room for the general public. The last time I was there they had a device on loan from MindFlight, Inc....I can only describe the device as a "Brain-machine"...sort of an electronic audio-visual psychedelic experience....you'd have to try it to appreciate it. Keep us informed as to the goings-on at B-H.I.P., and let those fine folks know about this bbs. Be talking to ya later... Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 142. Tue 12-17-91 8:09 From: Big Boy To: All Subject: New to Board? If you are new to this board and want to download some files on hemp, try the following command at the main menu prompt: w k hemp This will show you the names of any hemp files available for download, as well as the file area where they reside. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 143. Thu 12-19-91 7:14 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Swiss Hash Law From Rocky Mtn News Nov. 8,91: SWISS COURT CUTS HASH PENALTY Lausanne, Switzerland The Swiss Supreme Court yesterday reduced the penalty for casual dealers of hashish, saying the drug was no more dangerous than alcohol. Those convicted of selling even large quantities of hashish on an occasional basis will no longer be classed as "serious" offenders. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 144. Thu 12-19-91 17:00 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Rotarians learn about reefer.. Last Tuesday, Mark Culverhouse of NORML-Colorado was invited to speak at a Rotarian luncheon at a North Denver Red Lobster....he reports that the group was very receptive to the information and asked all the "right" questions concerning economics/environment/medicine, etc. He has been invited to speak at another Rotarian meeting soon. After the speech, 3 wait-persons volunteered to work as petitioners.... Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 145. Thu 12-19-91 17:04 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: It's Legal! It's Legal! A friend of mine writes for "High Times" magazine and is often in touch with the editorial staff of that fine journal. He tells me that they report that Tazmania, a province of Australia, has legalized the commercial farming of hemp....This is the result of months of lobbying by a group of environmentalists/farmers....apparently Tazmania has been having a serious pollution problem as a result of their wood-pulp-paper industry. This shows that it can be DONE! Tazmania will join China, Hungary, Czecho, Italy, Spain, and France in the production of commercial hemp. Russia and other east-European countries will follow suit soon. The United Nation's International Treaty on Marijuana is going hell in a basket! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 146. Thu 12-19-91 17:12 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: more through the hemp-vine.... ALSO SEE: 154. That same friend also tells me that the Polish General Assembly has gone the de-criminalization route as far as personal use goes....apparently they are using the "Amsterdam Model" of pot regulation....For those who are not aware of what's happening in Holland, marijuana is still "illegal", but it is not considered worth prosecuting....many coffee houses in Amsterdam and smaller villages openly offer marijuana/hashish on a separate menu. Patrons are free to smoke in a stress-free environment. In the fall, after the ballot-initiative battle is over, we're all going to need a much-deserved vacation....I propose we put together a coalition of hemp-warriors and get a group-rate for a week in Amsterdam! Tourist class hotels run $40 a night for a double. Anyone interested should drop me a line. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 147. Fri 12-20-91 11:43 (NO KILL) From: M Man To: All Subject: B.H.I.P. Well all is well after another meeting of the Boulder Hemp Inititive Project. We now have our own meeting room in the UMC on the CU campus. The administration likes what we are doing! Since we are mostly students there will not be anymore meetings until January. I will let you know when we are going to start up again. We have some good plans for the new year! The year of HEMP!!! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 148. Sun 12-22-91 18:45 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: quote for the day ALSO SEE: 161. "Now this hemp is the finest fibre known to mankind, my God, if you ever have a shirt made out of it, your grandchildren would never wear it out. You take Polish families. We used to see marijuana in the yards of Polish families. We'd go in and start to tear it up and the man came out with his shotgun, yelling:'These are my clothes for next winter.'" Harry J Anslinger, former Commissioner, US Fed.Bureau of Narcotics. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 149. Mon 12-23-91 11:39 From: Big Boy To: All Subject: Another Board Hemps Up I just found out that Mobius Continuum, 466-5368, a Telegard board, has started a sub on Hemp, and most of the posts were pro-hemp Nyuk Nyuk! Now somebody should get them to sponsor a Hemp echo on whatever net they're on, I think they call it Swashnet. They also started a hemp file area with no download ratio (all my areas have no d/l ratio already Nyuk Nyuk!). All because I u/l-ed them a hemp file a month ago and forgot to check up on what they did after that Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 150. Wed 12-25-91 6:13 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Hemp Hemp Hemp Hemp Hemp Hemp I've found another hemp discussion going on over on One World-One People BBS, 238-6976 in their environmental issues sub. I logged on about three weeks ago, and mentioned what a shame it was that the trees were disappearing....I came back a couple of days ago, and their talking hemp! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 151. Wed 12-25-91 6:16 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: New Files.... ALSO SEE: 152. I've just uploaded KINDBUD.ZIP and MUGGLES.ZIP...KB contains a prosecutor's expert panel recommendations for legalization....this was suppressed by the Calif Atty General...also DEA Judge Francis Young's decision calling for re-scheduling of marijuana, and a conversation between Jack Herer and a high-ranking USDA official. MUGGLES contains the Pulp & Paper article "It's Time To Reconsider Hemp"...the Wall St Journal front page article on hemp, the famous 1938 Popular Mechanics article "New Billion Dollar Crop", and more... Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 152. Wed 12-25-91 10:10 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: New Files.... ALSO SEE: 151. Well (ahem), muggles.zip is now called hempsrce.zip. I have so many hemp files now that I've set up a special hemp file area. Now if somebody with wp would d/l the files that are in wp format and reformat them into text files that us yokels without wp can read.... Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 153. Mon 12-30-91 10:59 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Fido Echo Ask your favorite sysops to drop a line to Jim Burt [1:104:115] and ask for a feed of the hemp echo....we need to spread the word. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 154. Mon 12-30-91 21:33 (RECV'D) From: The Deicide To: Kind Bud Subject: more through the hemp-vine ALSO SEE: 146, 160. re. amsterdam. Me and three other friends are seriously considering going this summer and have a lot of the shit worked out. It'll cost around $700.00 on airfare alone in the middle of the summer which is quite a bit, but I think it will be well worth it. the travel agent I talked to said that hotels might run as high as $70.00 a night (for bread and breakfast). got any better suggestions for where to look kind bud?) another serious idea that I have been considering is flat out moving thereaargh.. two minute warning... i guess i'll continue later... the deicide Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 156. Tue 12-31-91 6:45 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Hemp Initiative... was submitted to the appropriate legislative body yesterday, Dec 30. They have 15 days to make wording suggestions. If changes are minor, the document should be at the Secretary of State's office by mid January and the petition drive will be underway! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 157. Wed 1-01-92 10:20 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Year of Hemp Happy New Year to all! 1992 is the year of hemp! When I get the final draft of the Hemp Initiative Petition Document, I'll convert it to text file for you....(right now it runs about 14 pages.) I'll also keep you informed as to when/where it will be available for signing. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 158. Fri 1-03-92 18:59 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: Public Hemp Meeting Reminder ALSO SEE: 162. Saturday, January 4, Rocky Mountain Hemp Network has it's Public Meeting at HEMPware, etc., 1090 S Wadsworth Unit D from 6 pm to 8 pm. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 159. Sat 1-04-92 11:17 From: Kind Bud To: All Subject: this just in... According to the Dec 30 issue of Time, a garden supply chain in Prague, Czecho is selling one pound bags of Romanian marijuana for 85 cents...not a typo...85 cents a pound...as fertilizer. This seems to have re-sparked an interest in gardening among the citizens of Prague. According to the article, thanks to the "confused" post-communist legal system this is legal. It seems to me that we are the ones with the confused legal system. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 161. Sun 1-05-92 21:44 (RECV'D) From: The Deicide To: Kind Bud Subject: quote for the day ALSO SEE: 148, 163. (re. Harry Aslinger quote) was this before or after his campaign to combat weed? anyone know what he's doing now-a-days? Deicide /s Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 163. Mon 1-06-92 6:53 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Deicide Subject: Harry Anslinger ALSO SEE: 161. He remained this country's top narc until 1961....I think he died a couple of years after that. Too bad. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 164. Mon 1-06-92 6:55 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: The Deicide Subject: Hempware, etc./Rocky Mtn Hemp ALSO SEE: 162. phone number....I only have the # where you can leave a msg....470-1100 ext 611. Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 166. Sun 1-12-92 9:12 (RECV'D) From: Big Boy To: Kind Bud Subject: George Bush's Puke Lumps ALSO SEE: 167, 170. Do you think Bush's puking episode had anything to do with drugs? Nyuk Nyuk! Msg Base: BOARD 1 AREA 5 - Kind Bud's Hemp Discussion Corner Msg No: 167. Sun 1-12-92 18:43 (RECV'D) From: Kind Bud To: Big Boy Subject: George Bush's Puke Lumps ALSO SEE: 166. I think a little pot could have helped with the nausea. I basically have the same reaction to Japanese cuisine. The really scarry part is the thought of little Danny Quayle running around the White