#: 16536 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 27-Sep-92 06:55:37 Sb: #xmode Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Kevin Darling sysop (X) Hi Kev--I found out the problem I was having with the XMODE readout. I was using a version of xmode from the sacia package and some of the items are called by different names. Thanks for the scf patch!! There is 1 Reply. #: 16537 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 27-Sep-92 08:53:37 Sb: #16536-xmode Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) Phil - hey, terrific! Thanks for letting me know you found it. best - kev #: 16539 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 27-Sep-92 10:16:37 Sb: TC70 modules Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: all Any TC70 owner: I could use your help, if you please. Frank finally uploaded to me the newest version of the sc2661 driver and the uq37c65 module. Welp, his archive is damaged (from passing between his machines), and he said it's gonna be 'a while' before he can get them transfered to his machine to resend to me. Wondering if I could ask a TC70 owner, with the current, correct, modules, to send them to me here. An important test of my system is awaiting these modules (Murphy's Law - naturally!!)..... Thanks. jim #: 16541 S4/MIDI and Music 27-Sep-92 13:16:58 Sb: UBox troubles Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Hi Mike... I've got a small problem with UBox. I'm trying to transfer all my old Umuse sequences over to Cakewalk on my MSDOG box via MIDI. Ubox isn't sending out MIDI sync codes (or at least isn't sending song-start or whatever it is). It did work once or twice a long time ago when I first got UBox, but it didn't work consistently. One boot-up it would work, then the next it wouldn't. Without MIDI sync, I get a sequence in Cakewalk that I can't do anything with - timing is too far out of whack to edit - quantizing just screws it up worse. Any ideas why UBox doesn't work for me? I've got a lot of work tied up in some of those sequences - need to get them transferred! Thanks in advance... Glen Hathaway - COMPER - 71446,166 #: 16544 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 28-Sep-92 00:46:56 Sb: OS-9 Job Opening Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: all [edited from usenet] GMX, Inc., a Northbrook, IL computer manufacturer is looking for a full-time OS-9 Systems Programmer. The position will be mostly porting and device driver support for multiple platforms. Send resume to: GMX, Inc. 3223 Arnold Lane Northbrook, IL 60062-2406 attn: Bob Phillips Or call: (708) 559-0909 #: 16549 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 28-Sep-92 11:08:42 Sb: #16497-#SCF Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) Phil, Could it be that you're using a foreign (non-stock) version of XMODE? The IDENT on my XMODE command is: Header for: Xmode Module size: $03B1 #945 Module CRC: $865DE1 (Good) Hdr parity: $9A Exec. off: $013C #316 Data Size: $0242 #578 Edition: $05 #5 Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $81 Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O I'm not sure if this module is 100% stock, but entering the following command-- OS9[W4]:xmode /w1 gives the following results on my system-- -upc -bsb bsl echo lf null=0 -pause pag=24 bsp=08 del=18 eor=0D eof=1B reprint=09 dup=19 psc=17 abort=03 quit=05 bse=08 bell=07 type=80 baud=00 xon=00 xoff=00 Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 16580 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 30-Sep-92 17:21:51 Sb: #16549-SCF Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 Mine comes with the SACIA package and has a different CRC.It has the same functions but by different names sometimes. I didn't know that. #: 16550 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 28-Sep-92 17:01:22 Sb: TC70 modules Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: all TC70 Owners: Please cancel my request for getting the sc2661 and uq37c65 drivers. Talked to Frank this afternoon, and he told me that he thought the MAC might pad the .lzh file. I checked and found out that there were 128 additional bytes in the file that shouldn't be there. Using the fu command, I easily stripped the first 128 bytes from the file. The resultant .lzh file dearchived properly!! Another emergency taken care of. (whew!!) jim #: 16552 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 28-Sep-92 20:20:38 Sb: #Dallas Semi Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: all Can anyone help me with an address or phone number for Dallas Semiconductor? I'd like to get a data sheet for the MM/1 real time clock. There are 2 Replies. #: 16566 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 29-Sep-92 18:07:38 Sb: #16552-Dallas Semi Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, I assume that you're talking about the Dallas Semiconductor in Dallas, Tx. Information here says that their number is 450-0400, and the area code for Dallas is 214. Hope this helps. Lee #: 16579 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Sep-92 13:03:44 Sb: #16552-Dallas Semi Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, What information do you need? I have the spec sheet for that device. Pretty simple really. It took me several months to finally get the specs from DS. I guess they are not real fast in answering requests for data sheets. Mark #: 16553 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 28-Sep-92 21:14:21 Sb: #16490-#Atari? Windows? Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) More people want an ST version? It has been very rare that I have heard of osk users using atari or ST. Where have these people been. Where do they go for support? I wonder if osk runs well on an ST Thanks for sending your updated stuff to frank. I dont beleive he has done much of a job in pushing his kwindows. I dont really understand. He has been afraid that you would not give adequate support but he has lived with that from every program or programmers. I like your kwindows and have worked out most of the bugs... they werent really bugs. I do have one problem to report: I cannot communicate through /t1 with sterm under kwindows. The whole commputer locks up after about 50 characters are received! I can start a shell on /t1 and run programs from there under kwindows and I can use sterm under vt70. I can also use sterm through my kbus 4 port card... just not through /t1 (which is where zmodem is required to operate). There are 2 Replies. #: 16561 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 29-Sep-92 09:29:29 Sb: #16553-Atari? Windows? Fm: JBM Electronics 71174,3442 To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 You can always re-compile the Zmodem software to use another serial port, there is a constant within the first 100 lines which contains the port number, it is easy to find. #: 16596 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Oct-92 19:18:38 Sb: #16553-Atari? Windows? Fm: David George 72240,134 To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 Actually there are some people with Atari's running OSK. I have a Mega ST 2 upgraded to 4Meg Ram and OSK works great on it. I am using the latest STCIO up here and it would be nice to have key repeat back some day, but it does work well. #: 16571 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Sep-92 00:45:30 Sb: #16490-Atari? Windows? Fm: Paul Tesch 73500,3703 To: [F] Bruce Moore 70075,143 Bruce, RE: zmodem. If you have the same rz and sz that I have (the ones from e ), it should be easy to patch them to use any port you like. If you dump rz and sz, you should find a /t1 at 335e and 374f respectively. If not there then look around a bit. I've got mine set up for /t2 now. Paul #: 16556 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 29-Sep-92 03:37:14 Sb: Ultra C Compiler Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: All To all SYSTEM IV/PT68K2-4 owners The new Ultra C Compiler from MW will be made available to owners of SYSTEM IV/PT68K2-4 systems. The price will be substantially lower than being offered by MW. This offer is limited and will expire about October 25, 1992. For further information, contact - Peripheral Technology at 404-972-2156 or Delmar Co at 302-378-2555 Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO #: 16557 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 29-Sep-92 03:38:20 Sb: #MW Prof. OSK Manuals Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: All To all MM/1 owners, Several of you have asked me if I can obtain the manuals for Professional OS9. I've made a special arrangement with MW where I can provide you with the official Professional OS9 Manuals. These cover the commands, the assembler calls, the C-Compiler Version 3.2, etc.; in other words, the full manuals as provided by MW. I can offer these at 10% less than the regular MW price. To do this, I will require at least 10 orders. If interested, send me E-Mail or call 302-378-2555. If someone has access to FIDO, StGNet and the CoCo List on Internet, please post this information. Thank you. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO There are 2 Replies. #: 16560 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 29-Sep-92 08:43:43 Sb: #16557-#MW Prof. OSK Manuals Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Ed --> I'll be happy to put your message up on the StG Network and also on Fido. It'd be great if these guys could get their manuals...... jim There is 1 Reply. #: 16588 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Oct-92 03:32:23 Sb: #16560-MW Prof. OSK Manuals Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Jim, Thanks, Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO #: 16564 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 29-Sep-92 17:32:37 Sb: #16557-#MW Prof. OSK Manuals Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Ed, So just what _is_ the normal MW price? :-) *- Steve -* There is 1 Reply. #: 16587 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Oct-92 03:31:50 Sb: #16564-#MW Prof. OSK Manuals Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, MW's price for the manuals is $195.00 plus s/h. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO There is 1 Reply. #: 16595 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Oct-92 17:32:12 Sb: #16587-#MW Prof. OSK Manuals Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Thanks Ed. Pretty steep pricing ...even with your generous 10% discount. *- Steve -* There is 1 Reply. #: 16597 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Oct-92 21:32:17 Sb: #16595-#MW Prof. OSK Manuals Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, Yes, I think those prices are outrageous. Even on mainframe software, the high priced manuals are only about $30 or $40 apiece. I really am beginning to think that Microware is out to rip all of us off. It has taken years to get them to agree to reduce prices on OS9 itself, but to charge those kind of prices for two relatively small (and incomplete) manuals is highway robbery. Hey, maybe I can get the state of Florida price gouging group they've set up AA (after Andrew) to challenge the price! ;-) Bill There is 1 Reply. #: 16605 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Oct-92 19:22:43 Sb: #16597-#MW Prof. OSK Manuals Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill, Aren't you being a little rough on MW? I'm not defending their position necessarily, (I have many beefs) but it is important to understand how they work. MW's primary customers are OEMs. They have set-up a few dealers (I'm one) and they will, reluctantly, deal with the end user. Because of the wide variety of hardware and the market base each OEM targets, MW believes the OEM knows his hardware and market better than they do. Therefore, they leave it to the OEM to decide what modules and documentation his customers will require and to provide primary support. The per copy license fee is negotiated accordingly. Apparantly, your OEM decided he needed only a limited number of copies of the documentation for his market. From the queries I've received, he apparantly erred on the low side. He is either unwilling or unable (because of the terms of his contract) to order additional manuals. ---- message continues --\ex There are 2 Replies. #: 16606 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Oct-92 19:23:30 Sb: #16605-#MW Prof. OSK Manuals Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) ---- Part 2 When I contacted MW re obtaining manuals, they did agree to a slight increase in the discount to me to allow a slightly lower end user price. They are aware of the price I am offering. However, to get this additional discount, I must order in multiples of 10. Note, I don't need these for my customers (SYSTEM IV). Professional OS-9 Manuals from MW are included. You say the manuals are small and incomplete. I don't understand that statement. My guess is that the manuals comprise about 1000 pages (I haven't counted them). Sections include a complete technical explanation of the OS, an explanation of the commands, the C-Compiler, the RMA and the debugger. I'm not aware of any other OS that includes all this infor- mation at this price. No, there is no tutorial. It is a technical reference manual. If you need to learn OS-9, Microware does provide courses through-out the country at various times for various levels of knowledge and needs. I often have to purchase 'programmers' manuals for various terminals just to get information for termcap entries. These vary in price from $30 to $60 with most being around $50. The exception is the VT series from DEC - they want $135 per manual. Now, that is a rip-off. By the way, most of these manuals are 100 pages or less. ----- Message continues There is 1 Reply. #: 16607 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Oct-92 19:24:12 Sb: #16606-MW Prof. OSK Manuals Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) dickhaus3 ----- Part 3 When I first took on the SYSTEM IV, I contacted AT&T re porting UNIX to the SYSTEM IV. My cost for manuals, if I had gotten a license, would have been $200 per set and that didn't include the C-Compiler or the assembler. SCO gets a similar price for their manuals; again, with the same limitations. I'm not trying to defend any of MW's practices - rather, I'm trying to put them in perspective with regard to comparable OSs I'm familiar with. Your complaint, if any, should not be with MW (or me) but rather with the provider of your equipment - he is responsible to see that you have the necessary information for your system in accordance with the terms of your purchase agreement. BTW, is your hardware provider offering you 'Ultra-C'?. MW is offering the upgrade for $500.00. You must prove you are a legitimate owner of Professional OS-9 and/or the C-Compiler and the offer expires the end of this month. Alternatively, most OEM's are offering the upgrade to their customers at a price lower than MWs. Customers of DELMAR CO and Peripheral Technology will be able to get the upgrade for $200 - not much over cost. All of the OEM offers will probably expire the end of this month, also. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO #: 16610 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Oct-92 22:53:33 Sb: #16605-MW Prof. OSK Manuals Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Ed, Yes, I guess I was a little rough, I have to admit that I considered going back and deleting that message after I had left it. I was _not_ defending "my OEM", in fact I got my set of manuals before I got my machine! I don't know why IMS decided not to obtain more manuals, but I suspect (but I really do not know) that its because MW wanted to charge an obscene amount of money for them. As far as my reference to small and incomplete, I was referring to a lack of detailed technical information, rather than tutorials, but it came across as more critical than I intended. I do think the manuals are not too well organized, but there is a lot of information there for the middle of the road user. Not enough for the beginner, or the highly technical user, but still a lot of good information. My beef is not with MW alone. We constantly battle with software vendors at work about high prices for manuals, and in most cases we win, though its usually a tough fight. I did not mean to single out MW in this case, but was annoyed at the high price of the OS9 manual set, I still think its a rip off to charge such high prices for manuals. As I have already stated, I have no complaint with anyone, MW, IMS and especially not with you. I have not heard if IMS has made any arrangements about Ultra-C, and quite frankly, I don't care. I am happy with the GNU C compiler. Why should I pay MW for something I can get for free? Ultra-C may be a good package, but I can't justify spending even as "little" as $200 for it. (You just had to toss that "ad" in there, didn't you! ;-) Bill #: 16562 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 29-Sep-92 16:48:32 Sb: #TC/70 G-Windows Mice Fm: JBM Electronics 71174,3442 To: All I'd like to find out the Brand and Model number of serial mice known to work with G-Windows on a TC/70. Please let me know what you're using. Thanks in advance, -Jay Truesdale There are 2 Replies. #: 16574 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Sep-92 08:56:20 Sb: #16562-TC/70 G-Windows Mice Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: JBM Electronics 71174,3442 (X) Jay: Can't help you a heck of a lot from here. I bought the keyboard with the serial trackball and mouse keys included on the keyboard. Liked the idea of it all being in one better than my CoCo's mouse - darned wire kept getting in the way. (g) Take care. jim #: 16585 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Oct-92 00:03:30 Sb: #16562-TC/70 G-Windows Mice Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 To: JBM Electronics 71174,3442 (X) I am using a rather bedraggled DEXXA mouse in logiteck mode which seems to work OK. The cursor movement is not the smoothest though. Perhaps not the mouse's fault. Bob P #: 16568 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 29-Sep-92 20:23:46 Sb: #GIF files for Gwindows Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: all TC70/SysIV owners Has anyone had any luck importing GIF files over to the GWindows environment using import_gif?? I've tried stock IBM GIF files, and CoCo GIF files, getting a 249 error when I used import_gif on them. (Haven't been able to find any OS9 GIF files yet here in Los Angeles......) Anyone have any luck?? Thanks. jim There are 2 Replies. #: 16586 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Oct-92 00:08:41 Sb: #16568-#GIF files for Gwindows Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) As a matter of fact NO. I have not been able to figure out what the fool progranm wants by way of file. Both the show_gif and the import_gif protest that the files }Ure the "wrong type" These are happily displayed on both my coco and a pc. There should be no such thing as an "OS9 GIF" all gif files are supposed to be the same. Time to ask at the source I'm afraid. Same files display OK in KWindows. There is 1 Reply. #: 16591 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Oct-92 09:45:34 Sb: #16586-GIF files for Gwindows Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 Interesting that the same file displays OK thru KWindows, but import_gif won't work. Think I'll leave Frank a message for when he talks to Steve Adams, to see what the problem is. I'd love to add some pix to the array that he sent with the software. jim #: 16589 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Oct-92 05:07:25 Sb: #16568-#GIF files for Gwindows Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Jim, The 'import_gif' program originally provided by Steve Adams handled only the older 'gif' format. He has upgraded it to handle the newer 'gif' formats. Contact your G-WINDOWS supplier for the upgraded copy. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO There is 1 Reply. #: 16592 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Oct-92 09:46:20 Sb: #16589-GIF files for Gwindows Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Thanks, Ed -- wasn't aware that it was upgraded. Will contact Frank right away. jim #: 16581 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Sep-92 17:40:48 Sb: #16520-Manuals Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 What does "(E.g, the profit margin on)" mean, Paul?? If you promised Glen the Manuals with his purchase, then you have a legal and moral obligation to provide them to him NOW, not 6 months or so from now when you get the manuals written. WEven if your purchase of the manuals from MW cost you $150+, and you loose EVERY DIME you make off of Glen, you MUST provide him with the manuals YOU promised him. If not, he has every right to 1)demand a refund from IMS for the full purchase price, or 2)to file suit against IMS for a broken contract. Cut the cr** and get him his manuals!! jim #: 16583 S15/Hot Topics 30-Sep-92 19:03:29 Sb: KiX\30 Announced Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: All NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCMENT..... CHECK DL15 FOR INFORMATION ON THE NEW KiX\30 COMPUTER, and KEEPER(tm). Both from FHL and Hazelwood. Frank Hogg -- FHL #: 16600 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Oct-92 23:13:14 Sb: #Chart for OSK Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: all Got a question for all you OSK guys out here in CIS land.... I am CONSIDERING stocking a chart here at my little company, that will give all the instruction sets for the 68000 (and, therefore, for the 68070, too), including flags, cycle times (not app. to 68070), registers, exception vectors, supervisor & user state modes, pinouts, and much more. (excludes hex opcodes). If I were to stock such a chart (an 8-1/2 x 11 laminated double sided chart), would such a chart be usable by you guys who program in machine code, and, therefore, be a salable product for my company?? These cards are relatively cheap, but I don't want to carry them unless there is an interest in them. Please advise..... Thanks. jim There is 1 Reply. #: 16611 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Oct-92 00:13:00 Sb: #16600-#Chart for OSK Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X) Hi Jim... I'm interested in the chart. Would save looking up little things in the book all the time. Where do I send my money? Glen Hathaway - COMPER - 71446,166 There is 1 Reply. #: 16613 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Oct-92 10:57:29 Sb: #16611-Chart for OSK Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X) Glen: I'm getting a 'sample' from my supplier late next week. IF it looks as good as the C Chart (that I currently distribute), then I'll order some of the 68000 charts, and place a notice in Hot Topics here. Thanks for your reply, Glen, all I needed to know was IF there were SOME interest. You've given me that assurance. jim #: 16604 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Oct-92 15:46:04 Sb: #C Communications Fm: David George 72240,134 To: ALL I am writing a program in C that reads and writes through the serial ports. I am using Professional OSK v2.2 and trying to use _gs_rdy() to see is there is any data to be read (I have a version that does just a read, but I don't want the program to wait for something that might never come). My problem is when I call _gs_rdy(path) (where path is the return value from open()) it returns -1 with an Error #216 (from errno). Am I on the wrong track? Is there another, better way to communicate through the serial ports than just doing an open on /t1? (I am opening with S_IREAD+S_IWRITE). Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated. David George There is 1 Reply. #: 16612 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Oct-92 09:25:19 Sb: #16604-C Communications Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: David George 72240,134 David - Perhaps a code segment would be best... upload a chunk and we'll look at it. You _are_ on the right track. Pete #: 16608 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Oct-92 20:43:54 Sb: Dallas Semi Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: all Lee: Thanks for the number. Yes, it works. I ordered the data sheet and it is hopefully on its way. Mark: I do hope I get the data sheet quicker than you did. I just want to see how the Daylight saving time flags are set in the chip (and I guess in the clock driver too). Seems that this beastie knows all about DST. But in this little valley where I live, we don't. We are on the boundry between MST and PST and rather than change our watches, we just hire a guy to more the sign advising travellers to change their watches from one end of the valley to the other. So, I'd like to unset the flag in my clock so that I don't have to redo the time every six months -- not a big deal, but fun. BTW, I asked Motorola for their RTC data sheet, but they were out of stock. (I called them first since they have an 800 number...) They did have some in Hong Kong and Holland, and promised to order one from there and mail it to me when it arrived. Wonder how long that'll be? Press !>