#: 11633 S3/Languages 05-Aug-91 20:41:48 Sb: #11620-#Help with C compiler Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Hello Pete: I am using cgfx ver 7 of the lib. The SRC de i The SRC dir is on the hard drive The cc that I am using is the one from tandy. Also the cstart.r The only thing that I modifided with the cc was for it to look at /dd instead of /d0 (/dd = 40 Meg hard drive) Keith P.S. It did work a while (while] back. :> There is 1 Reply. #: 11636 S3/Languages 06-Aug-91 00:59:14 Sb: #11633-#Help with C compiler Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) There's the problem.. I believe c.prep and possibly c.link also have hard references to /d0.... Browse the DL3 area for a definitive listing of patches. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 11647 S3/Languages 06-Aug-91 15:27:38 Sb: #11636-#Help with C compiler Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete: I also changed them too. Any program I try to compile it says that error. Keith There is 1 Reply. #: 11680 S3/Languages 08-Aug-91 18:34:33 Sb: #11647-#Help with C compiler Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) Keith - Pardon the lag... I'm bopping between San Fransisco, Oakland, and Tampa these days. Did you browse the DL3 and DL10 areas for CC1 patches? That's probably the best way to start this. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 11687 S3/Languages 09-Aug-91 04:48:01 Sb: #11680-#Help with C compiler Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete: I figuered it out, I THINK. I had rma and rlink renamed as c.asm and c.link on the hard drive /dd but not the module. I THOUGH I DID THAT THOUGH. I used EZGEN to do the following: ezgen /dd/cmds/c.asm l rma r c.asm v q Any how it works now, as before this error. I must have copyed the NEW asm , rma to the hard disk after I got it and forgot to rename it interenally. Thanks for the HELP. Another question, How do you set up a graphics screen under C? As far as I have gotten is, I can clear the screen and write my name there. THANKS AGAIN. Keith There are 2 Replies. #: 11729 S3/Languages 12-Aug-91 06:50:41 Sb: #11687-Help with C compiler Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 Keith - While I'm a long time C fan, I haven't done much graphics work with it... you'd be better off tweaking either Kevin or Mike Haaland... Pete #: 11733 S3/Languages 12-Aug-91 18:19:40 Sb: #11687-Help with C compiler Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 Keith, Here's my standard code for opening up a graphics window from within a C program: #define PATH fileno(wout) main() { FILE *win,*wout; win=fopen("/w","r+"); wout=fdopen(fileno(win),"w"); DWSet(PATH,8,0,0,40,24,15,0,0); Select(PATH); } This should get you up and going. If you have any other questions about the graphics library give a yell. #: 11634 S15/Hot Topics 05-Aug-91 21:22:34 Sb: #11586-#MM/1 delivery Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Hi Paul... This was a long weekend in B.C. and I was gone fishing. Try me this week sometime - best would be at 7 AM my time - probably 10 AM your time. That's when I'm just getting started (COFFEE!), etc. There are 2 Replies. #: 11650 S15/Hot Topics 06-Aug-91 21:14:35 Sb: #11634-#MM/1 delivery Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X) Hi Glen. Noticed in your message to Paul that you are a fellow BCer. Nice to know that I'm not the only OS9er in the whole province! Whereabouts are you? There is 1 Reply. #: 11651 S15/Hot Topics 06-Aug-91 22:39:50 Sb: #11650-#MM/1 delivery Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Hi Bob... I live in Richmond, right next door to Vancouver. Where are you? Heard of your program, VED. You're working on a MM/1 version, right? How much? When available, etc.? There are 2 Replies. #: 11655 S15/Hot Topics 07-Aug-91 00:42:41 Sb: #11651-MM/1 delivery Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X) Hi Glen. Just thought I would give you a chance to see a message from my new toy (TC70) Boy is it a good thing that I got this running - this afternoon the COCO died. Will run happily and run rom games but cannot receive data from the disks. I can control them - do dirs etc - but just get no data. Sounds like that famous replace the 68b09 bug has bit. This comes courtesy STERM 1.51 on the TC70 where it runs like a champ - not even recompiled. Funny thing is it runs from the screen fine but fails from the /TERM terminal whereas the comms program supplied with the machine runs from /TERM but dies from the screen (labelled VT70). Time to download the source and try to figure things out. #: 11672 S15/Hot Topics 07-Aug-91 20:56:52 Sb: #11651-MM/1 delivery Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X) Glen, Guess we're not exactly neighbours! I live just north of Creston, way over in the kootenays where the lake is cold, the sun shines a lot and the air is fresh! I do get out to the coast from time to time -- next time I'll try to give you call before I come out. Maybe our schedules will mesh and we can get together. VED/68000 is available right now! It is $39.95 plus the usual $3.00 s/h. For folks who've purchased the 6809 version from me in the past there is a small discount available. #: 11665 S15/Hot Topics 07-Aug-91 16:42:46 Sb: #11634-MM/1 delivery Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X) Hope your fishing was great! I have confirmed your order conversion to a kit and put on high up on the schedule -- we are still shipping out in the order that they MM/1's were reserved with a deposit, so you're right up there! Best, Paul IMS #: 11662 S15/Hot Topics 07-Aug-91 16:38:54 Sb: #11588-#MM/1 delivery Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) I thought RDUMP was on the distribution disks! I'll look. If not, it will surely be on the disk update we're putting together, with some new, additional stuff. Best, Paul IMS There is 1 Reply. #: 11675 S15/Hot Topics 07-Aug-91 22:03:04 Sb: #11662-#MM/1 delivery Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul, Got my MM/1 today. Had a little trouble getting the drives hooked up, but after I figured that out it went smoothly. Still trying everything out! It looks good so far, though. --Colin There is 1 Reply. #: 11742 S15/Hot Topics 12-Aug-91 22:05:14 Sb: #11675-MM/1 delivery Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 Colin, Let me know if you need anything at all. In fact, if you can call me sometime this week, I'd like to take notes on your reactions. Best, Paul IMS #: 11635 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Aug-91 23:37:11 Sb: #11632-#COCO in 1 box Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom - I'd pick up a copy of Computer Shopper magazine from a newstand or most bookstores... there are tons of PC cases for sale in there. You might also check locally for clone sellers... best - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 11649 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 06-Aug-91 21:13:22 Sb: #11635-#COCO in 1 box Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Thanks Kev, I'll pick up a copy and check it out. TOM There is 1 Reply. #: 11653 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 06-Aug-91 23:13:45 Sb: #11649-#COCO in 1 box Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom - also see MPIMOD.AR, ATCOCO.TXT, and ATCOCO.ADD here in Library 10, if you don't already have them. They're files about sticking coco's into XT and AT cases. Have fun! - kev PS: I tried it once in an old Tandy 2000 case. Tips: be sure to hook up at least one old floppy to the power supply for testing... those switching supplies may not turn on enuf juice with just the coco board in there. Second: some supplies may require a large filter capacitor placed on your 5 volt connection to the coco. I think the files may mention this tho. There is 1 Reply. #: 11670 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 07-Aug-91 20:22:36 Sb: #11653-COCO in 1 box Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kev, Thanks for the info on the power supplys. I have already read all but 1 of the files you mentioned , I'll check that one out next. FUN, I'll have a ball TOM #: 11637 S7/Telecommunications 06-Aug-91 03:52:23 Sb: #11631-#telecom parameters Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul, I believe that Deskmate strips the high order bit (the 8th bit) out of what is being sent to the display so that loging in at 8N1 makes it appear that everything is kosher. If I remember right (and if I don't you can be sure that someone will be here to set me straight) OS-9's drivers don't have the capability to switch from 7E1 to 8N1 on the fly, once connection has been made. Thus, switching is a process of closing the previously open path, changing the parameters, and then reopening the path.... quite a lot to get done. Like I said.. if I'm wrong, someone'll hit me upside the head with the correct info (and I do sometimes get confused about which computer I'm using at the time). Wayne There is 1 Reply. #: 11639 S7/Telecommunications 06-Aug-91 06:27:47 Sb: #11637-#telecom parameters Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Wayne, A stat call was added with OS9 LII that allows changing baud rate, word length and parity on the fly. You are correct, though, about what had to be done with ACIAPAK under OS9 LI on the CoCo. Even now, some terminal programs do it the hard way, either because nobody ever changed them, or wanted to keep compatability with LI. Bill There is 1 Reply. #: 11648 S7/Telecommunications 06-Aug-91 16:47:17 Sb: #11639-telecom parameters Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill, Thanks... I never did work with the L2 drivers closely enough to know that they were different. Wayne #: 11638 S1/General Interest 06-Aug-91 06:17:39 Sb: #11630-Sterm1.5 Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) This sounds like a baud rate mismatch. Sterm uses the baud rate set in the descriptor (T2). Do you get any response from the modem after connecting? Do you see the timeout message from CompuServe? Try setting the baud rate in T2, like this: xmode /t2 baud=4 This will set the baud rate to 2400 baud. Also, its important _not_ to INIZ T2, since that will lock in the initial baud rate. Also, do the xmode before starting Sterm, as long as Sterm is running, and the path to T2 opened, xmode will not have any effect. Bill #: 11641 S1/General Interest 06-Aug-91 07:31:40 Sb: #11630-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Bill's offered my first choice in answers... baud rate mismatch. Give that a try and see what gives. What's happening with the modem lights? Is CD lit all the time? How about TR? What happens to TX and RX (maybe called SD/RD) when you bang on the keyboard while in sterm? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11646 S1/General Interest 06-Aug-91 09:54:54 Sb: #11641-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Whelp, there was definitely a baud rate mismatch: modem didn't throttle down to 300 or 1200 from 2400 where it powers up (HS & MR are lit). As soon as sterm boots, TR lights; SD & RD blink when keyboard is hit, but CD never lights. So I tried booting sterm from xmode /t2 baud=4 with the same results. Then I tried some null modem sterm xmodem transfers to a floppy, then the same file to a ramdisk. The file was over 100kbytes. A stopwatch showed a savings of 25% when using the ramdisk! But I also notice how it is that all the time computers save me, I spend learning more about computers! There is 1 Reply. #: 11656 S1/General Interest 07-Aug-91 07:36:49 Sb: #11646-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Rechecked null-modem, xmodem transfers to a floppy & ramdisk; original findings stand for Sterm: 25+% savings to a ramdisk over a floppy. This seems to be unique to Sterm, and the transfer stats appear to be in error for the floppy transfer. Retried the same experiment using Uterm and the transfer times for both floppy & ramdisk were comparible, only a few % faster for the ram save. There is 1 Reply. #: 11660 S1/General Interest 07-Aug-91 07:52:14 Sb: #11656-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul, My CD laight is on when I use Sterm. Infact, the RS232 pak requires an active DCD before it will talk back to you. If your modem is Hayes compliant, an AT&C should fix you up. Otherwise a quick jumper across pins 6-8-20 does the sameysame. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11671 S1/General Interest 07-Aug-91 20:24:02 Sb: #11660-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) What is an AT&C? I'd druther not mess with pin jumpering. Tried to use YASMOD this a.m. Was able to get dial tone, and dial out to CIS but again, couldn't receive data of any kind. There are 2 Replies. #: 11679 S1/General Interest 08-Aug-91 18:31:58 Sb: #11671-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul - AT&C{1,0} I believe is used in the advanced modems to force a carrier detect condition. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 11682 S1/General Interest 08-Aug-91 21:24:42 Sb: #11679-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) say what? -ph- There is 1 Reply. #: 11685 S1/General Interest 09-Aug-91 00:09:10 Sb: #11682-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Sorry - I don't understand what 'say what' means in this context.. If you're responding to my last message, I'm on the road and traveling with a laptop, and and popping from city to city. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 11686 S1/General Interest 09-Aug-91 00:19:18 Sb: #11685-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) I meant repeat what you said more in layman's terms. -ph- There is 1 Reply. #: 11728 S1/General Interest 12-Aug-91 06:48:50 Sb: #11686-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul - I was referring to what 'AT&C1' tells the modem..... I believe it performs the same function as some other modems' dip switches.. that is to force Carrier Detect true. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 11738 S1/General Interest 12-Aug-91 20:29:37 Sb: #11728-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) I tried AT&C and it worked fine; AT&C1? What's the dif? There is 1 Reply. #: 11745 S1/General Interest 12-Aug-91 22:19:48 Sb: #11738-Sterm1.5 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 Per the Hayes 'AT' command set default grammar and syntax, an omission is the same as a '0'. The supposed result is that you have effectively typed an 'AT&C0'. Pete #: 11703 S1/General Interest 10-Aug-91 10:06:36 Sb: #11671-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) What Pete said! :-) Just kidding ... With the non dip switched Hayes compatable modems that have been shipping for, say, the last 5 years or so, the AT command set is how one programs the modem. The &C parameter controls the condition of the DCD (or carrier detect) line. By typing AT&C you're telling the modem to make that line high at all time. This would be the same thing as we used to do by jumpering pins 6-8 and 20 together. The ACIAPAK requires a high signal on DCD before it will respond to you. Better? Steve There are 2 Replies. #: 11710 S1/General Interest 10-Aug-91 15:50:55 Sb: #11703-#Sterm1.5 Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Speaking of those extended commands...I always got a giggle when I noticed that my modem had an AT&T command. There are 2 Replies. #: 11711 S1/General Interest 10-Aug-91 18:03:11 Sb: #11710-Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) So what did it do.... automaticall dial the central office? :-) #: 11746 S1/General Interest 12-Aug-91 22:21:50 Sb: #11710-Sterm1.5 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: James Jones 76257,562 JJ - Who ? (grin) Pete (now working for GTE) #: 11713 S1/General Interest 10-Aug-91 19:29:45 Sb: #11703-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Ok, AT&C got the CD lamp lit. I got on line and logged on ok. When downloading, what option does one choose from the CIS menu? Is it Ymodem, send-ahead, B+, for the quickest, most efficient transfer? Also, what option is used from Sterm menu? Only xmodem is given. If you boot with sterm -f -l /t2 then you must ESC-D to /r0? There is 1 Reply. #: 11714 S1/General Interest 11-Aug-91 09:03:35 Sb: #11713-#Sterm1.5 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul, When using Sterm on CIS you're missing the boat if you're not using B protocol. It's by far the most efficient protocol on this service. It's built in to STERM ... no commands necessary. Enter the library of choice, select a file to retrieve and type DOW. The two computers work out the details by themselves asking you a couple of questions about protocol and transfer type (ascii, binary, etc). On the '-f' option you're correct. If you don't have a hard drive, you must be transfering from a RAM disk. Not to worry if you pick inadvertantly invoke the 'f' option. B proto is smart enough to know when it's going up hill and drop down to Classic B when needed. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11717 S1/General Interest 11-Aug-91 15:17:10 Sb: #11714-Sterm1.5 Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thanks for the info. I'm looking forward to working on-line within MV's windows. -ph- #: 11640 S1/General Interest 06-Aug-91 07:24:20 Sb: #11629-Sterm1.5 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Hanke 73467,403 (X) Paul, 'fraid I'm not up on LINPUT.AR . Perhaps another member will spot your question. Steve #: 11642 S4/MIDI and Music 06-Aug-91 08:15:46 Sb: #11600-UltiMuse3 Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Hi! They changed their minds (or lost them ) - we're getting HP 9000/700 workstations instead. All these things compile so much faster than my MVME147 running OSK that I won't notice too many differences except for not getting coffee after I type "make"! Mark #: 11643 S7/Telecommunications 06-Aug-91 09:32:55 Sb: #11612-#sterm 1.2 w/o modem pak Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I checked it out and the LED's are active. I also tried out xcom9 with the help of the docs i found. It won't work with /t2 either. When on CIS, I lose the first 4 characters of every displayed line. I was hoping to use xcom9 to just get another term program but I can't get it into command mode to start the download. At least CIS timed out in one minute rather than the usual five. There is 1 Reply. #: 11657 S7/Telecommunications 07-Aug-91 07:44:36 Sb: #11643-#sterm 1.2 w/o modem pak Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, With the LED active and you're actually getting online I'm begining to suspect an interupt problem. Dropping characters sounds too much like the old IRQ issue. Have you performed the IRQ hack? I perfer this method over that of the diode hack approach. Haven't heard of one of those working correctly yet! Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11689 S7/Telecommunications 09-Aug-91 21:24:15 Sb: #11657-#sterm 1.2 w/o modem pak Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I am not familiar with any IRQ mods for the CoCo3. Could you perhaps fill me in on what is going on (if this is indeed the problem) and what I need to do to fix it? There is 1 Reply. #: 11706 S7/Telecommunications 10-Aug-91 10:17:34 Sb: #11689-#sterm 1.2 w/o modem pak Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Stock OS9 software has problems with missed interupts. THe hardware solution is the imfamous IRQHHAK as described by Pete in LIB 10's IRQHAK.TXT. Others have suggested a diode approach. While it's theory is sound, I've not seen it work here or elsewhere. Apparently the choice of diode is critical. Another thought crossed my mind on your dropped chharacter problems. What type of window are you trying to run sterm in? If it's a Graphic window, then that may be contributing to your problems. Screen updates on a graphic type window are too slow to keep up at 2400 baud. Without the IRQ hack and perhaps on a graphic window, things would look like heck! Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11726 S7/Telecommunications 11-Aug-91 22:58:39 Sb: #11706-sterm 1.2 w/o modem pak Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 It is a 80*24 text window that I've been having these problems in. I finally tried out sterm on a local board so I can download a 180K(!) GIF at 1200bps. Same problems but better than I'd ever seen it. They don't have CIS B protocol so I tried esc-S to shell out to XYDOWN and get it by YMODEM. They timed out with 0 bytes transferred. I immediately got a message that sterm was back online as soon as the disk drive stopped. No other indication of problems. #: 11644 S7/Telecommunications 06-Aug-91 09:35:52 Sb: #11613-#sterm w/o Modem Pak Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I do complete the logon process. As far as I know I am not going into command mode since CIS still responds to OFF. But as soon as CIS is supposed to display my custom logon menu, I just get a lot of garbage. The right characters for the most part get here but only a few show up on each line; ;and usually only every other line has anything on it. And the text scrolls by me very fast. There is 1 Reply. #: 11658 S7/Telecommunications 07-Aug-91 07:45:39 Sb: #11644-#sterm w/o Modem Pak Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) An easy way to confirm the IRQ issue would be to slow things down to 1200 or 300 baud. If you don't see any missing characters then we've found your problem. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11690 S7/Telecommunications 09-Aug-91 21:24:53 Sb: #11658-sterm w/o Modem Pak Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I'll check that out. Never did think of cutting the baud rate.... #: 11645 S1/General Interest 06-Aug-91 09:39:13 Sb: #DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: SYSOP (X) With the help of a OS9 RAMdisk, I have been able to download some programs here with DECB Ulterm and use DOSOR9 to get them to OS-9. But DOSOR9 seems to choke if I have more than about 48K on a disk. Since 2 things I want to download are over 48K, would it be possible to un'ar them and e-mail each file to me? There are 3 Replies. #: 11659 S1/General Interest 07-Aug-91 07:47:41 Sb: #11645-#DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, Given the trouble you're having, I wouldn't mind helping you out. But let's ot give up on getting you set up properly. What are the two file names and which library? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11691 S1/General Interest 09-Aug-91 21:28:01 Sb: #11659-#DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) One is the famous DED.AR which I believe is in Lib 10. The other is SWAVE.AR which I believe is in Lib 6. I may be getting the GCS File Transfer Utilities as advertised in Rainbow. They say that will handle both DECB and PC disks-a plus for me. So I could then GCS OS-9 files to OS-9 and properly de-Ar them. I wrote to them to ask for some more info about the program. There is 1 Reply. #: 11705 S1/General Interest 10-Aug-91 10:10:56 Sb: #11691-DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, Be watching your mail box. #: 11674 S1/General Interest 07-Aug-91 21:19:46 Sb: #11645-#DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich- Just an idle question- if you have OS9, and want an OS9 file, why used DECB? If using the 'banger' port, I know there's drives for Lvl2 and I *think* even a Lvl1 version,thou I might have seen that one elsewere. Couldn't help but wonder, since DOSOR9 sounds like extra work anyway. -Rick There is 1 Reply. #: 11692 S1/General Interest 09-Aug-91 21:30:37 Sb: #11674-DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) The Telecom section has a couple of threads I started where Steve Wegert and I are trying to figure out why I am having so many difficulties with sterm and xcom9. The only way I can presently directly download to OS-9 is to use sterm and the infamous modem pak. OK for a small file here but no good on BBS'es or for a big file. #: 11678 S1/General Interest 08-Aug-91 16:02:10 Sb: #11645-DOSOR9 on big files Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) I've been able to download large files directly with Deskmate-3's telecom but also have used dosor9 upto nearly 100kb. In dosor9 try adding this line: 2326 IF NN>32767 THEN NN=NN-32768:GOTO 2326 I'm not sure if I RENUMmed any lines so the above should follow this: 2325 IF NUM>32767 THEN NN=NUM-32768 These lines are near the end of DOSOR9. -ph- #: 11652 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 06-Aug-91 22:52:21 Sb: #11623-@??? Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Thanks alot Kevin. Just got a hard drive for my coco. Am kinda excited about it. Have been setting up a lot of MS-DOS machines for friends and I still find the coco under OS9 to be a lot more flexible. Paul #: 11654 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 06-Aug-91 23:21:26 Sb: #11626-#flakey port Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, Thanks for the info.GShell is patched, so I'll try mouse position. Not really to sure if I did the Diode hack right (RomPaks don't work,should they?) But since I fried my multi-pak in an errant attemp at Robotics, using a scratched to gether Y-cable with the $5.00 RS modem. Works OK for DeskMate3, but the buss may be a little strained,since she's got some sparklies now. Guess I should really clean up my act before plopping to much odeferosity on the board. Thanks again for de help, off to get wmode! Best- Rick There is 1 Reply. #: 11661 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 07-Aug-91 07:56:10 Sb: #11654-#flakey port Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) Rick, Either IRQ hack should have no ill effect upon the proper operation of your system ... rompaks included. Something's amiss. Personally, I've not had much success (nor have I heard of others) with the diode approach. Might want to look into the 'classic' solution. It isn't pretty .... but it's working fine here! Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11673 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 07-Aug-91 21:04:20 Sb: #11661-#flakey port Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, Where might one find the 'classic' solution? I assume this forces interrupts past or to the GIME? SIince I7m using a Y-board,the IRQ's are already tied together, so what's next? At least she still runs, Rick There is 1 Reply. #: 11704 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 10-Aug-91 10:09:33 Sb: #11673-flakey port Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 Pete's done a dandy write up that can be found in LIB 10. Look for IRQHAK.TXT. Infact, if you'll type BRO IRQ*, two files should pop up. The first will be Pete's, the second will be a file on hhow to 'pretty up' Pete's appoach. Steve #: 11663 S4/MIDI and Music 07-Aug-91 16:40:19 Sb: #11602-UMUSE3 Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Mike, They played with the loaner and loved it! Do you think you can part with the prototype MIDI board for about ten days? They would like to get a sneak preview of the MIDI stuff for the upcoming MM/1 review. If you want to know what they thought of the MM/1, call up Cray at rainbow. Best, Paul IMS #: 11664 S4/MIDI and Music 07-Aug-91 16:41:36 Sb: #11604-#UMUSE3 Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 The thing I didn't like about the MT-32 was its graininess in some of its sounds. I like the new Roland boards, though! Best, Paul IMS There is 1 Reply. #: 11677 S4/MIDI and Music 08-Aug-91 07:13:59 Sb: #11664-#UMUSE3 Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) A guy I know at a local keyboard store is currently going on at great length about how neat a Roland sound box called something like Sound Canvas is. (Alas, they took the one they had to the other store, so I'd have to go there to see it--which I may do, just on the basis of how much this guy liked it. More likely I'll see whether it's at their booth at the State Fair's Varied Industries building.) There is 1 Reply. #: 11697 S4/MIDI and Music 09-Aug-91 22:41:51 Sb: #11677-#UMUSE3 Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) James- Heard you mention a state fair. WHAT STATE? I'm hoping WI, since I watch their fireworks every night. -Rick There is 1 Reply. #: 11702 S4/MIDI and Music 10-Aug-91 07:21:03 Sb: #11697-UMUSE3 Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 The state? Iowa. Quite an event--come check it out if you have a chance. #: 11666 S7/Telecommunications 07-Aug-91 17:22:31 Sb: #11553-Sterm Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I tried using ctrl-break with STerm to no avail....will wait for my TC70 and then download Sterm, and then all should work fine. (TC70 should be here within about 2 weeks) Thanks for the info!! jim #: 11667 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 07-Aug-91 17:42:01 Sb: #11607-PCoid keyboards & CTRL Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 Yes, it's time for everybody to subscribe to the OSKer - especially when the next issue may be twice as big if I don't get out a real big hatchet. And I would, of course, appreciate any articles you could send me. We're never going to be big enough to not need another quality article. BTW, don't tell anybody, but the deal where you get 6 months free of the magazine for having your article printed is still on... ;-> StG #: 11669 S6/Applications 07-Aug-91 19:44:20 Sb: X10 (it lives!) Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Ever sine I told people on Delphi how I've been using your X10 software to run my X10 computer interface (recently acquired), there has been a great response and they're asking if you will allow me to post the software on Delphi. So what do you say? Can I do it? -================================================================== Hugo Bueno | Delphi: MRGOOD Compuserve: 71211,3662 Fanwood, NJ |Internet:hugo%bluehaus@kc2wz.bubble.org CoCo 3 UUCP | UUCP:...!uunet!bluehaus!hugo ================================================================== #: 11681 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 08-Aug-91 20:33:05 Sb: #Where is OSK AR? Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 To: All Could somebody please direct me to the 'AR' utility? I was told it is in library 12, but I'll be darned if I can find it. Thanks, --Colin There is 1 Reply. #: 11683 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 08-Aug-91 21:40:28 Sb: #11681-#Where is OSK AR? Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 (X) Just grabbed it myself a few days ago, Colin. Lib #9 AR68.bin. JohnW There is 1 Reply. #: 11684 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 08-Aug-91 22:20:01 Sb: #11683-#Where is OSK AR? Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) John, Thank you! I appreciate it more than you know. BTW, kind of weird to be able to format a disk while online (with my MM1!) Definately not used to it (but getting there quickly!) --Colin There is 1 Reply. #: 11694 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 09-Aug-91 21:39:18 Sb: #11684-#Where is OSK AR? Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 (X) Yeah, "backup #500k" is kind of a time-saver too. Couldn't figure out how to do single-drive copies, but I did figure out how to make a huge ramdisk - almost as good. The machine wants a hard disk. (Oh, Paul ....)(GRIN). JohnW There are 2 Replies. #: 11696 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 09-Aug-91 22:08:13 Sb: #11694-Where is OSK AR? Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) Heh, yeah, I could use a hard drive too, but will have to settle for 2 3.5 floppies for now. Could also use some more RAM! So much to buy, so little cash (so little credit left...)! --Colin #: 11701 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 10-Aug-91 07:02:36 Sb: #11694-#Where is OSK AR? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) John - I think for single-drive copying, just do "backup /d0". Set your write protect and give it a try. There is 1 Reply. #: 11712 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 10-Aug-91 18:39:52 Sb: #11701-Where is OSK AR? Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Single drive BACKUP is no problem, Kev, (Just like you said, but I give it all the memory available). What I couldn't find was a single drive option for the copy command (for individual files). JohnW #: 11688 S15/Hot Topics 09-Aug-91 04:53:04 Sb: #Help and the MM/1 Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: Paul 73477,2004 (X) Paul: When will the next issue of the INSIDER be mail and When are the I/O boards going to be shipped? Are you going to update the XMODE command? Keith There is 1 Reply. #: 11743 S15/Hot Topics 12-Aug-91 22:07:15 Sb: #11688-Help and the MM/1 Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 Next INSIDER is in production. I have sent down three pages of neat stuff. I/O boards are shipping. Patience -- we're concentrating on the MM/1 Personal systems, and we're catching up with I/O boards after that. Why should we update XMODE? Are you thinking DMODE? Can you provide some details? Incidentally, thanks for your disk. Have you recieved it back yet? Paul IMS #: 11693 S6/Applications 09-Aug-91 21:34:07 Sb: B&B's R.S.B. Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL Is anyone out here using Burke & Burke's RSB? What exactly does it do? Could I use it to run DECB programs under a OS-9 window (after DOSOR9ing them)? Just how good a program is this anyway; I know *very* little about it but I may very well find it useful. #: 11695 S11/OS9/6809 (Non-CoCo) 09-Aug-91 21:58:41 Sb: #X10 Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I'm sending you this message a second time, looks like you didn't get it the first time (maybe I screwed up you ID). Anyway... Would it be OK for me to upload your X10 software package on Delphi? People are clamoring for it. Hugo There are 2 Replies. #: 11707 S11/OS9/6809 (Non-CoCo) 10-Aug-91 10:19:15 Sb: #11695-X10 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 Pete got your first request. (You can tell by the (X) by his user id. He's traveling so his replies have been a bit delayed. Steve #: 11727 S11/OS9/6809 (Non-CoCo) 12-Aug-91 06:46:45 Sb: #11695-X10 Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 Hugo... As long as is distributed in BOTH of its original packages, then I guess putting it on the 'other' place is alright. I know a number of their authors have shared things over here. Pete #: 11698 S7/Telecommunications 09-Aug-91 22:53:49 Sb: #large STERM downloads Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: all Just another problem- When using STERM, I get exactly 484 blocks,and then the errors start. ESC A no longer works, in fact nothing works except the power switch and CLEAR key. I've got RAM and disk space, but after mucho downloado, I'd like the rest of the file,also. I waited untill 32 errors before hanging up last time,and tried every ESC sequence in the docs to no avail.Can SOMEBODY help? (whimper) Rick There are 2 Replies. #: 11700 S7/Telecommunications 10-Aug-91 03:06:22 Sb: #11698-large STERM downloads Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 Rick, What file izzit that you're trying to download? Wayne #: 11708 S7/Telecommunications 10-Aug-91 10:22:13 Sb: #11698-large STERM downloads Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 Rick, To what are you downloading? A ram disk, hard drive or floppy? IF it's neither of the first two, don't use the '-f' option when calling sterm. Steve #: 11699 S7/Telecommunications 10-Aug-91 00:18:49 Sb: #sterm w/o Modem Pak Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Steve Wegert I am now using sterm at 1200 baud. It's working pretty much. But I am still getting some lost characters and garbage. I wouldn't trust this program with a download like this. I'll try xcom9 next. I suppose I could try out 300 baud but if I am going to do that it would be easier to just use the modem pak. There is 1 Reply. #: 11709 S7/Telecommunications 10-Aug-91 10:25:19 Sb: #11699-sterm w/o Modem Pak Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Ok ... this is good news! With the dropped characters going away as you drop baud rate, it's pretty much assured it's an IRQ problem. First step is to immediately install the hack. It's simple, and reversible _if_ you're careful. Steve #: 11716 S3/Languages 11-Aug-91 13:00:47 Sb: #C Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: ALL Does anyone know how to generate a tab in C using the Microware 6809 compiler? Also is there a statement that works like Basic09 inkey. getchar requires a CR! There is 1 Reply. #: 11719 S3/Languages 11-Aug-91 15:45:22 Sb: #11716-#C Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) To output a tab: putchar('\t'); However, it will not display on a CoCo window because code 9, normally used for tabs, is instead cursor up. There is no 'tab' on CoCo windows. To get a key, try the following routine: inkey() { char c; read(0,&c,1); return(c); } That reads one character from STDIN direct, places it in c, and returns tha value to the caller. StG There is 1 Reply. #: 11720 S3/Languages 11-Aug-91 15:54:10 Sb: #11719-C Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X) Thanks Scott -- I'll try that routine. #: 11722 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 11-Aug-91 18:50:41 Sb: #Cobbler for OSK Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: All Does someone have, or would like to write a file called COBBLER.C I would like to use it on my MM/1 68K machine. Also how can I send/receive CIS mail to/from the internet/uucp networks? Is their a UUCP to Internet gateway here in the usa? Keith There is 1 Reply. #: 11747 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 12-Aug-91 22:30:32 Sb: #11722-Cobbler for OSK Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 Keith - You can send mail to a CIS account from the Internet by mailing to: USERID@compuserve.com, where USERID is the desired individual. In my case, that'd be: 76703.4230@compuserve.com NOTE: use a PERIOD to separate the numbers... not a comma. I believe to SEND to the Internet, you have to preface the address with something like: INTERNET>{address} Try GO EASY, and then ask for HELP. Pete #: 11723 S3/Languages 11-Aug-91 18:51:15 Sb: C function Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Scott T. Griepentrog Thanks Scott -- the inkey function does just what I need it to! #: 11724 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 11-Aug-91 19:23:40 Sb: #Atari ST Harddisk Fm: Andreas Greulich 100014,1033 To: ALL Hi all, I'm new in this forum, so I don't know if I got the right section number... My problem is the following: I got an Atari-ST with Cumana OS-9 Level II, Version 2.1 (I heard it's not the newest one, but I don't know what newer releases offer). Until now I used a normal 20M SH205 harddisk with a 9M OS-9 partition. Now, since a week, I got an additional drive, actually a removable cartridge with 44M disks and prepared a cartridge for OS-9. But, as it's a second drive on the Atari DMA, I have to run it on host adapter address 1 instead of 0, which still is used by the SH205. I tried just to add h1 to OS9Boot, but I was never able to access the second drive under OS-9. The only thing I could do was to put the host adapter of the second drive to 0 and turn off the SH205, this way I was able to install OS-9 and use it, but this way I can't access my "old" OS-9 partition. But at least to transfer files from the old partition to the new one, I'd be very happy to be able to access both drives at the same time - does anybody know how to reach it, or where I can get a driver that can manage to install a drive on another host adapter address than 0? I know that this question probably sounds a bit stupid, but maybe somebody has just an easy answer.... who knows ;) Thanks in advance, and sorry for my bad English (actually I'm Swiss, that's why), greetings, Andy There is 1 Reply. #: 11732 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 12-Aug-91 12:03:43 Sb: #11724-Atari ST Harddisk Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Andreas Greulich 100014,1033 (X) Greetings, Andy! I suspect that you're the only Cumana port owner here, altho several people use the US version on the ST. In fact, there was a very recent question about using two SCSI devices on the US version, and apparently it doesn't handle more than one, either. I'll ask around elsewhere for you. But until someone (I might try) works on a HD driver which uses the SCSI ID byte, I think people are stuck with only one device. best - kevin #: 11725 S7/Telecommunications 11-Aug-91 21:43:50 Sb: #FTP Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: All Does anyone know if INTERNET ftpmail is available via CIS mail? Or is the ascii only restriction a deadlock? There is 1 Reply. #: 11731 S7/Telecommunications 12-Aug-91 10:35:15 Sb: #11725-#FTP Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob - my *guess* is that binary is a restriction to CIS mail, altho I think one of us should test that. If the internet ftpmail site can uuencode the data first tho, wouldn't that work? Assuming they will, of course. There is 1 Reply. #: 11740 S7/Telecommunications 12-Aug-91 21:43:24 Sb: #11731-FTP Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 Don't know if the problem is the ascii restriction or not. I sent a 'help request' to ftpmail@decwrl.com and instead of the help file I got the following error message returned: -- Ftpmail Submission Transcript -- <<< to: >INTERNET:ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com >>> COMMAND UNRECOGNIZED, TRY 'help'. >>> `connect' COMMAND IS NONOPTIONAL, TRY `help' >>> checking security of host `' >>> HOST NAME MUST BE DOMAIN-QUALIFIED -- End Of Ftpmail Transcript -"help". Maybe this makes more sense to some of the net-gurus than to me--if so, please explain... #: 11734 S3/Languages 12-Aug-91 18:31:07 Sb: #inkey Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Scott t Griepentrog Hi Scott--I started using the function inkey and it does the job buttttt. The program will not execute the previous printf statement until the function returns. printf("this will not print"); ch=inkey(); printf("next statement"); If I enter the letter 'x' then what I will get is: xthis will not print next statement It will sit and wait down in the inkey function and after an entry, it will execute the previous printf and immediately the next printf ?????? There is 1 Reply. #: 11739 S3/Languages 12-Aug-91 21:08:11 Sb: #11734-inkey Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 Phil, I think I can help you out here. First, all FILE I/O is buffered. C doesn't send anything to the screen until either a charage return is encountered or until its buffer is full ( 256 characters by default). If you want your first string to be sent to the screen before the inkey you either have to put a /n at the end of it or fflush(stdout). Second, the program hangs in inkey because it does its read system call without checking for data available. The os9 read call sits around waiting for a keypress if there is no data in the device driver buffer to send. You need to do something like: If(getstat(1,fileno(stdin))==0) read(fileno(stdin),&ch,1); Hope this makes sense. Buffering does make keyboard/screen I/O a bit clumsy at times. #: 11735 S3/Languages 12-Aug-91 18:46:54 Sb: #11471-#C Compiler Problem Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) I'm just getting back to this C Compiler problem that I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I've been pretty busy lately. Anyway, it appears that it is a compiler bug. Great. I've got this good sized structure that I need to initialize and I REALLY don't want to retype several hundred lines of initialization if I don't have to. Is there anyway to get around this problem? Something that I could do with a global change in an editor? I'll mess around with this myself a bit but I B no C guru.... I suppose that there no chance of getting Tandy to fix this? Grumble grumble... -J There is 1 Reply. #: 11744 S3/Languages 12-Aug-91 22:15:52 Sb: #11735-C Compiler Problem Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 I'd say there's minimal chance of getting Tandy to fix it. About the best one could do, at some expense in data space, is separately declare some pointers to the strings you have in the structure initializers, and--no, that wouldn't do it. Unfortunately, there's not a good way to do it, and even the least bad way would double the storage requirements for the strings. #: 11737 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 12-Aug-91 19:13:42 Sb: Disto SCSI Interface Fm: james pottage 71750,2012 To: All Attion all Disto Super Controller Users. I have recently solved a rather lengthy problem with my hard drive. Over the past year I have had 4 SCSI drives crash on my machine. All of them were completely destroyed by my system. After a great deal of trial and error I finally found that my 2 in 1 board was defective and was blowing the drives. Three of the four drives were never even formatted because they died on the initial format. I had the interface (2 in 1) tested by CRC and after they destroyed one of their drives they confirmed that the card was indeed the problem. Sunsequently I have had a report from Jim Snider (who I believe is a technician for COCO Pro???) report that he has heard of this also happening with a few four in one boards. I do not believe this is a wide spread problem, but it is something to keep in mind if your hard drive crashes. Moreover, CRC stated that they had never encountered this problem before, so it will probably never affect most users. If you have had a similar problem please leave a message on the board and check your controller. As well, it may be of some interest that the drives that I blew were Seagate St125N's and ST157N'S and the ones reported by Jime Snider were ST157N's. Jim Pottage #: 11741 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 12-Aug-91 21:57:08 Sb: MV/GFX2/BASIC09 Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: All Some questions: 1. Under Multivue, certain applications allow you to size a window by dragging the mouse from one point to another (CALC and CLOCK). Pg 2-17 of the Tandy MV Manual. 2. On pg 2-16 of the Manual it states that you can have two or more applications running on the same screen at one time. Can the first be done under BASIC09 and if so does anyone have some code to share that shows how? How do you open multiple windows on one screen under BASIC09. In my startup file I do this with display codes, based on a script by Rick Adams that I got on Delphi. (I hope I spelled his name correctly.) Finally I use the patched versions of GSHELL. One thing I have wondered, is there anyway to change the icons used for the disk drives? If I was to disasemble Gshell, using the Disasembler available on CIS, where would I be looking for to find the "icons"? If I could do it, I would like to then develope a Hard Disk icons. If I can do it, I will be happy to upload the patches? I haven't been able to get as much programming work done as I would like to, what with my obligations at the Monastery and outside work, but I hope to soon have my dialog box maker ready to upload. I may just upload what I have at the end of the month as a fixer-upper," if it is not completed. With all best wishes, Br. Jeremy, CSJW Press !>