Posted by Brian Oblivion on July 23, 1998 at 16:54:09:

In Reply to: We HAVE found a way to make "it" stop (see within) posted by Paul A
ndrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S. on July 23, 1998 at 09:55:52:

I am one provider of the file "The_Federal_Zone".
I have hosted this file and other like files as a
service to both this country and, indirectly, to
the Supreme Law Firm. I would like to see_
Paul Mitchell provide facts showing that he has
suffered from this file appearing on my archive,
and others, free of charge for over 7 years.

I would like to know the motive for deciding to
attack fellow supporters of his ideas, and his
paper, which has remained intact to the original
sans the bold, underlines, and italics which were
probably stripped out of the document when it was
made more easily transportable through the network
and did not require a propritary program to view
the work.

All credit is remains intact. Information so the
reader can contact the Supreme Law Firm for more
information remains intact. I don't see any
damages resulting from this file being on the
internet. I don't see anyone claiming they wrote
this document other than the original author.

I will be removing the file, after providing 7
years of free advertising to the Supreme Law Firm.
I have been and will remain a believer in the
distribution of knowledge throughout the internet
in the event the source becomes forgotten as the
ages pass, the content remains accessible by all.
Your work is now destined to oblivion through the
results of your actions. You have lost my respect.


Posted by Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S. on July 23, 1998 at 19:01:39:

In Reply to: Re: We HAVE found a way to make "it" stop (see within) posted by Br
ian Oblivion on July 23, 1998 at 16:54:09:

It's very simple:

The Preface clearly says that if you don't pay
for the copy you obtained, you have stolen it.
Does your copy of the Preface contain these
statements, or not?

It also says that the character stream can NOT
be modified. The purpose of this requirement was
to preserve ALL Capitalization, bold, underlines,
and italics EXACTLY as found in the original
.DOC files written by Microsoft WORD, Ver. 5.0B.

All original editions say the exact same thing!!

Even the Software Publishers Association 
explains that you cannot keep "shareware"
forever; after 30 days, pay up, or delete
the files.

This is standard industry practice, with which
L0PHT personnel should be very well acquainted.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

The terrible truth is that nobody has paid the
$25 fee for copies they downloaded from the
Internet, and L0PHT personnel are no exception
to this criminal practice. They even posted
it on a file server, so others could steal it
as well.

Vultures of a feather flock together.

So, because of all the grief which we have
experienced, for being denied all this lawful
compensation, the burden is now upon all
Internet users to remove it completely, or
suffer the consequences of lawful copyright
enforcement.

It's too bad you couldn't even show enough
respect to request permission to do what
you did. You were more interested in 
testifying before Congress, and appearing
on television. So, I don't believe you when
you say I have lost your respect; you never
HAD any respect for me, or you would have
acted differently in the first place!!

Actions speak much louder than words ever will.

You are the one who chose "oblivion" for your
name!


Name: Brian Oblivion
E-Mail: oblivion@l0pht.com
Subject: Re: We HAVE found a way to make "it" stop (see within)
Body of Message:

: The Preface clearly says that if you don't pay
: for the copy you obtained, you have stolen it.
: Does your copy of the Preface contain these
: statements, or not?

So what you are saying is I can pay $25 now and
the old version which resides in my archive can 
remain online? If that is the case, then why
didn't you begin this relationship by stating just
that. Instead, I receive some threatening
wanna-be legal document via email?

Since you feel that I have taken advantage of
you, I apologize for educating people with your
ideas and directing them to your organization by
leaving your contact information in the document
and not paying you the $25.

My sincere apologies for the diservice I have 
have caused you.

: All original editions say the exact same thing!!

I never had access to this mysterious original
addition. 

When most people came across this file it was
already in text form. It was not ferreted out of
your files or off your hard drive by myself, or
%99 of the people you claim stole it.

Therefore, how were WE supposed to know it was
altered if we never saw an original? 


: The terrible truth is that nobody has paid the
: $25 fee for copies they downloaded from the
: Internet, and L0PHT personnel are no exception
: to this criminal practice. They even posted
: it on a file server, so others could steal it
: as well.

You are right, it is unfortunate no one has paid
the $25 fee. But it does not
justify your actions at present. Going after 
people that once HAD a link to a file that no 
longer exists? That is perposterous. You should
be hounding the search engine maintainer for not
keeping up-to-date information in thier databases.


: Vultures of a feather flock together.


Why do people always use insults when they are 
backed into a corner?


: So, because of all the grief which we have
: experienced, for being denied all this lawful
: compensation, the burden is now upon all
: Internet users to remove it completely, or
: suffer the consequences of lawful copyright
: enforcement.

The grief you experienced by recieving all the
new prospects while you were down and out earlier
this year? How do you think most people stumbled
across your site all these years? By having a 
published work on the Internet, refering the
reader back to the source, for further 
exploration.

: It's too bad you couldn't even show enough
: respect to request permission to do what
: you did. You were more interested in 
: testifying before Congress, and appearing
: on television. So, I don't believe you when
: you say I have lost your respect; you never
: HAD any respect for me, or you would have
: acted differently in the first place!!

There is no need for jealousy here. You obtained
a place in archives across the net that was
cross-referenced in search engines before you
cleaned up your life. Now you are being a 
little selfish persuing water over the dam
instead of focusing your energy on expanding your
research.

: Actions speak much louder than words ever will.

Ahh yes, the pendulum swings both ways...

: You are the one who chose "oblivion" for your
: name!

I acknowledge the void of oblivion, and prepare
for it, you sir, are slowly becomming consumed
by it.


Brian Oblivion
L0pht Heavy Industries


Posted by Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S. on July 24, 1998 at 10:42:07:

In Reply to: Re: We HAVE found a way to make "it" stop (see within) posted by Brian Oblivion on July 23, 1998
at 23:17:37:

See our PUBLIC NOTICE AND DEMAND
FOR SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE, in case
you missed it the first time around.


      PUBLIC NOTICE AND DEMAND FOR SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE



Posted by Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S. on July 24, 1998 at 10:18:28:

In Reply to: Re: We HAVE found a way to make "it" stop (see within) posted by Brian Oblivion on July 23, 1998
at 23:17:37:

No. You did not honor my copyrights,
so you must now remove all extant copies.

Period. No exceptions.

See PUBLIC NOTICE AND DEMAND FOR
SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE, in this forum.

We are also holding you jointly and severally
liable for infringing my copyrights, both
directly and indirectly.

See SPA's Software Piracy Programs,
for details and definitions.


Sincerely yours,

/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.


Posted by Brian Oblivion on July 24, 1998 at 13:39:58:

In Reply to: We HAVE found a way to make "it" stop (see within) posted by Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S. on
July 24, 1998 at 10:18:28:

Paul,

You obviously don't have a case. I suggest
you let people get on with thier lives, and you
get on with yours. The file will be removed
from my site, and will be replaced with this
dialog. Others will then realize how you have
taken it upon yourself to attack and degrade those
that have spread your work for you.

There were no intentional damages done to you, at
least by my actions at the l0pht. I thought I was
merely helping to spread your work. Farewell. 

