

>I have been watching, with much more than idle curiosity, the discussion (and
>ALL discussions which mention or relate in any way, shape, or form) of
>reclaiming your sovereignty.
>
>I am thinking of doing this myself (probably not a wise thing to say out loud,
>so to speak, but nobody ever said that I was bubbling over with wisdom...). My
>problem is that my wife just can't seem to catch the vision of the differences
>between a Citizen and a citizen. I've tried the standard arguments/examples,
>but there is something that is not quite clicking. Of course, it took more
>than once for <me> to catch it, so I am not trying to derrogate here.
>
>I have a question and a request to toss out for those of you who have already
>gone through this, or are currently working on it...
>
>First the question(s): How did you present this to your spouse/family so that
>they understood and were convinced that it was worth it? What about your
>friends? What about your employer? If you studied it and decided NOT to go
>through with it, then why not?
>
>Next the request: If we do go through this, I will need a ton of information
>on how to make this happen. Could you please send me copies of forms,
>details of problems, etc, etc.
>
>Thanks muchly, friends...
>
>Lee

Lee:

I have begun the "process" and am with a Fortune 100 company. I have a
meeting next month with a representative from our Human Relations
department do discuss the situation and explain my position.

The first thing that I did was to file a Certificate of Exemption in Liew
of W-4 claiming to be exempt from federal tax withholdings. This did not
take care of withholding SS and MediCare and I am in the process of finding
the best way to get out of the SS system. My company did not have a
problem with the Certificate of Exemption (even though they had never seen
one submitted before). The payroll department's response to me was, "We
will have to report this to the IRS." My response to that was, "Of course
you will, it's their codes that I am citing cliaming to be exempt and I
would expect you to let them know about it." In all probability the IRS
has flagged me.

As for getting my wife to sign on, I cited the Contitution several times
(noting the difference in "C"itizenship before the 14th Amendment and
"c"itizenship after the 14 Amendment). My in-laws think that what I am
doing is admirable; my parents are ashamed of me and think that I am
unpatriotic. I tried to explain to them that I am an American, not a U.S.
citizen, but that did not help. I'm at a loss with trying to sway their
opinion. My friends and co-workers tease me, but are generally interested
and supportive (the joke around the office is when a group goes to lunch
and and we decide who "drives" and someone will say, "Well, David won't
'drive', but he'll 'travel'".

Keep in mind that this is not a "process" that is written down anywhere
that you can just follow step by step (although the book that Tim
Richardson recommended sounds promising). Everyone's situation is
different and may require different steps. The way that I am approaching
it is that I am trying to avoiding accepting _any_ benefit from being a
"U.S. citizen". It's not easy.

I would suggest getting The Federal Zone, by Mitch Modeleski and Reclaiming
Sovereign Citizenship by Johnny Liberty. Read them with your wife and try
and piece the complex puzzel together "together".

I'll let you klnow how my meeting with HR goes.

Here is how to order the books I mentioned:

The Federal Zone
Account for Better Citizenship
c/o USPS Post Office Box 6189
San Rafael, California Republic
Postal Code 94903-0189/TDC
Send 25 FRN's in the form of a money order with the Payee line blank

Reclaiming Your Sovereign Citizenship
Casadian Resource Center
P.O. Box 5290
Eugene, Oregon Republic
Postal Code 97405
Send 33 FRN's

Hope this helps.

David Price
Galt and Associates
Phoenix, Arizona

"Darkness has a call that's insatiable, and Lightness has a call that's
hard to hear."


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