As a follow-up to Bob Veenis' post regarding Cathy O'Brien 
and the Monarch project, I forward the following:

               THE  GREENBAUM  SPEECH

Herein is the lecture by D.C.Hammond, originally entitled 
"Hypnosis in MPD: Ritual Abuse," but now usually known as 
the "Greenbaum Speech," delivered at the Fourth Annual 
Eastern Regional Conference on Abuse and Multiple 
Personality, Thursday June 25, 1992, at the Radisson Plaza 
Hotel, Mark Center, Alexandria, Virginia. Sponsored by the 
Center for Abuse Recovery & Empowerment, The Psychiatric 
Institute of Washington, D.C.  Both a tape and a transcript 
were at one time available from Audio Transcripts of 
Alexandria, Virginia (800-338-2111).  Tapes and transcripts 
of other sessions from the conference are still being sold 
but -- understandably -- not this one. The transcript below 
was made from a privately made tape of the original lecture. 

 The single most remarklable thing about this speech is how 
little one has heard of it in the two years since its 
original delivery. It is recommended that one reads far 
enough at least until one finds why it's called "the 
Greenbaum speech."

In the introduction the following background information is 
given for
                         D. Corydon Hammond:

B.S. M.S. Ph.D (Counseling Psychology) from the University 
  of Utah Diplomate in Clinical Hypnosis, the American Board 
  of Psychological Hypnosis
Diplomate in Sex Therapy, the American Board of Sexology
Clinical Supervisor and Board Examiner, American Board of 
  Sexology
Diplomate in Marital and Sex Therapy, American Board of 
  Family Psychology
Licensed Psychologist, Licensed Marital Therapist, Licensed 
  Family Therapist, State of Utah
Research Associate Professor of Physical Medicine an 
  Rehabilitation, Utah School of Medicine
Director and Founder of the Sex and Marital Therapy Clinic,
  University of Utah.
Adjunct Associate Professor of Educational Psychology, 
  University of Utah Abstract
Editor, The American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis
  Advising Editor and Founding Member, Editorial Board, The 
  Ericsonian Monograph
Referee, The Journal of Abnormal Psychology
1989 Presidential Award of Merit, American Society of 
  Clinical Hypnosis
1990 Urban Sector Award, American Society of Clinical 
  Hypnosis
Current President, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis


          "THE  GREENBAUM  SPEECH  of  D.C.HAMMOND"

  We've got a lot to cover today and let me give you a rough 
approximate outline of the the things that I'd like us to 
get into. First, let me ask how many of you have had at 
least one course or workshop on hypnosis? Can I see the 
hands?  Wonderful. That makes our job easier. Okay. I want 
to start off by talking a little about trance-training and 
the use of hypnotic phenomena with an MPD dissociative-
disorder population, to talk some about unconscious 
exploration, methods of doing that, the use of imagery and 
symbolic imagery techniques for managing physical symptoms, 
input overload, things like that. Before the day's out, I 
want to spend some time talking about something I think has 
been completely neglected in the field of dissociative 
disorder, and that's talking about methods of profound 
calming for automatic hyper-arousal that's been conditioned 
in these patients. We're going to spend a considerable 
length of time talking about age-regression and abreaction 
in working through a trauma.  I'll show you with a non-MPD 
patient -- some of that kind of work -- and then extrapolate 
from what I find so similar and different with MPD cases. 
Part of that, I would add, by the way, is that I've been 
very sensitive through the years about taping MPD cases or 
ritual-abuse cases, part of it being that some of that feels 
a little like using patients and I think that this 
population has been used enough. That's part of the reason, 
by choice, that I don't generally videotape my work. I also 
want to talk a bunch about hypnotic relapseprevention 
strategies and post-integration therapy today. Finally, I 
hope to find somewhere in our time-frame to spend on hour or 
so talking specifically about ritual abuse and about mind-
control programming and brainwashing -- how it's done, how 
to get on the inside with that -- which is a topic that in 
the past I haven't been willing to speak about publicly, 
have done that in small groups and in consultations, but 
recently decided that it was high time that somebody started 
doing it. So we're going to talk about specifics today. 
[Applause] In Chicago at the first international congress 
where ritual abuse was talked about I can remember thinking, 
"How strange and interesting."  I can recall many people 
listening to an example given that somebody thought was so 
idiosyncratic and rare, and all the people coming up after 
saying, "Gee, you're treating one, too? You're in 
Seattle"...Well, I'm in Toronto...Well, I'm in 
Florida...Well, I'm in Cincinnati."  I didn't know what to 
think at that point. It wasn't too long after that I found 
my first ritual-abuse patient in somebody I was already 
treating and we hadn't gotten that deep yet.  Things in that 
case made me very curious about the use of mind-control 
techniques and hypnosis and other brainwashing techniques. 
So I started studying brainwashing and some of the 
literature in that area and became acquainted with, in fact, 
one of the people who'd written one of the better books in 
that area. Then I decided to do a survey, and from the 
ISSMP&D [International Society for the Study of Mulptiple 
Personality and Dissociation] folks I picked out about a 
dozen and a half therapists that I though were seeing more 
of that than probably anyone else around and I started 
surveying them. The interview protocol, that I had. got the 
same reaction almost without exception. Those therapists 
said, "You're asking questions I don't know the answers to. 
You're asking more specific questions than I've ever asked 
my patients." Many of those same therapists said, "Let me 
ask those questions and I'll get back to you with the 
answer." Many of them not only got back with answers, but 
said, "You've got to talk to this patient or these two 
patients." I ended up doing hundred of dollars worth of 
telephone interviewing. What I came out of that was a grasp 
of a variety of brainwashing methods being used all over the 
country. I started to hear some similarities.  Whereas I 
hadn't known, to begin with, how widespread things were, I 
was now getting a feeling that there were a lot of people 
reporting some similar things and that there must be some 
degree of communication here. Then approximately two and a 
half years ago I had some material drop in my lap. My source 
was saying a lot of things that I knew were accurate about 
some of the brainwashing, but it was telling me new material 
I had no idea about. At this point I took and decided to 
check it out in three ritual-abuse patients I was seeing at 
the time.  Two of the three had what they were describing, 
in careful inquiry without leading or contaminating. The 
fascinating thing was that as I did a telephone-consult with 
a therapist that I'd been consulting for quite a number of 
months on an MPD case in another state, I told her to 
inquire about certain things. She said, "Well, what are 
those things?"  I said, "I'm not going to tell you, because 
I don't want there to be any possibility of contamination. 
Just come back to me and tell me what the patient says." She 
called me back two hours later, said, "I just had a double 
session with this patient and there was a part of him that 
said, 'Oh, we're so excited. If you know about this stuff, 
you know how the Cult Programmers get on the inside and our 
therapy is going to go so much faster.'" Many other patients 
since have had a reaction of wanting to pee their pants out 
of anxiety and fear rather than thinking it was wonderful 
thing.  But the interesting thing was that she then asked, 
"What are these things?" They were word perfect -- same 
answers my source had given me. I've since repeated that in 
many parts of the country. I've consulted in eleven states 
and one foreign country, in some cases over the telephone, 
in some cases in person, in some cases giving the therapist 
information ahead of time and saying, "Be very careful how 
you phrase this. Phrase it in these ways so you don't 
contaminate."  In other cases not even giving the therapist 
information ahead of time so they couldn't. When you start 
to find the same highly esoteric information in different 
states and different countries, from Florida to California, 
you start to get an idea that there's something going on 
that is very large, very well coordinated, with a great deal 
of communication and sytematicness to what's happening. So I 
have gone from someone kind of neutral and not knowing what 
to think about it all to someone who clearly believes ritual 
abuse is real and that the people who say it isn't are 
either naive like people who didn't want to believe the 
Holocaust or -- they're dirty. [Applause] 

   Now for a long time I would tell a select group of 
therapists that I knew and trusted, information and say, 
"Spread it out. Don't spread my name. Don't say where it 
came from. But here's some information. Share it with other 
therapists if you find it's on target, and I'd appreciate 
your feedback." People would question -- in talks -- and 
say, you know, they were hungry for information.  Myself, as 
well as a few others that I've shared it with, were hedging 
out of concern and out of personal threats and out of death 
threats. I finally decided to hell with them. If they're 
going to kill me, they're going to kill me. It's time to 
share more information with therapists. Part of that comes 
because we proceeded so cautiously and slowly, checking 
things in many different locations and find the same thing. 
So I'm going to give you the way in with ritual-abuse 
programming. I certainly can't tell you everything that you 
want to know in forty-five or fifty minutes, but I'm going 
to give you the essentials to get inside and start working 
at a new level. I don't know what proportion, honestly, of 
patients have this. I would guess that maybe somewhere 
around at least fifty percent, maybe as high as three-
quarters, I would guess maybe two-thirds of your ritual-
abuse patients may have this. What do I think the 
distinguishing characteristic is? If they were raised from 
birth in a mainstream cult or if they were an non-bloodline 
person, meaning neither parent was in the Cult, but Cult 
people had a lot of access to them in early childhood, they 
may also have it. I have seen more than one ritual-abuse 
patient who clearly had all the kind of ritual things you 
hear about. They seemed very genuine. They talked about all 
the typical things that you hear in this population, but had 
none of this programming with prolonged extensive checking. 
So I believe in one case I was personally treating that she 
was a kind of schizmatic break-off that had kind of gone off 
and done their own thing and were no longer hooked into a 
mainstream group. [Pause] 

   Here's where it appears to have come from. At the end of 
World War II, before it even ended, Allen Dulles and people 
from our Intelligence Community were already in Switzerland 
making contact to get out Nazi scientists.  As World War II 
ends, they not only get out rocket scientists, but they also 
get out some Nazi doctors who have been doing mind-control 
research in the camps. 

   They brought them to the United States. Along with them 
was a young boy, a teenager, who had been raised in a 
Hasidic Jewish tradition and a background of Cabalistic 
mysticism that probably appealed to people in the Cult 
because at least by the turn of the century Aleister Crowley 
had been introducing Cabalism into Satanic stuff, if not 
earlier. I suspect it may have formed some bond between 
them. But he saved his skin by collaborating and being an 
assistant to them in the death-camp experiments. They 
brought him with them. They started doing mind-control 
research for Military Intelligence in military hospitals in 
the United States. The people that came, the Nazi doctors, 
were Satanists.  Subsequently, the boy changed his name, 
Americanized it some, obtained an M.D. degree, became a 
physician and continued this work that appears to be at the 
center of Cult Programming today. His name is known to 
patients throughout the country. [Pause] What they basically 
do is they will get a child and they will start this, in 
basic forms, it appears, by about two and a half after the 
child's already been made dissociative. They'll make him 
dissociative not only through abuse, like sexual abuse, but 
also things like putting a mousetrap on their fingers and 
teaching the parents, "You do not go in until the child 
stops crying. Only then do you go in and remove it." They 
start in rudimentary forms at about two and a half and kick 
into high gear, it appears, around six or six and a half, 
continue through adolescence with periodic reinforcements in 
adulthood. Basically in the programming the child will be 
put typically on a gurney. They will have an IV in one hand 
or arm. They'll be strapped down, typically naked. There'll 
be wires attached to their head to monitor 
electroencephalograph patterns. They will see a pulsing 
light, most often described as red, occasionally white or 
blue. They'll be given, most commonly I believe, Demerol. 
Sometimes it'll be other drugs as well depending on the kind 
of programming. They have it, I think, down to a science 
where they've learned you give so much every twenty-five 
minutes until the programming is done. They then will 
describe a pain on one ear, their right ear generally, where 
it appears a needle has been placed, and they will hear 
weird, disorienting sounds in that ear while they see photic 
stimulation to drive the brain into a brainwave pattern with 
a pulsing light at a certain frequency not unlike the 
goggles that are now available through Sharper Image and 
some of those kinds of stores. Then, after a suitable period 
when they're in a certain brainwave state, they will begin 
programming, programming oriented to self-destruction and 
debasement of the person. In a patient at this point in time 
about eight years old who has gone through a great deal 
early programming took place on a military installation. 
That's not uncommon. I've treated and been involved with 
cases who are part of this original mind-control project as 
well as having their programming on military reservations in 
many cases. We find a lot of connections with the CIA. This 
patient now was in a Cult school, a private Cult school 
where several of these sessions occurred a week. She would 
go into a room, get all hooked up. They would do all of 
these sorts of things. When she was in the proper altered 
state, now they were no longer having to monitor it with 
electroencephalographs, she also had already had placed on 
her electrodes, one in the vagina, for example, four on the 
head. Sometimes they'll be on other parts of the body. They 
will then begin and they would say to her, "You are angry 
with someone in the group." She'd say, "No, I'm not" and 
they'd violently shock her. They would say the same thing 
until she complied and didn't make any negative response. 
Then they would continue. "And because you are angry with 
someone in the group," or "When you are angry with someone 
in the group, you will hurt yourself. Do you understand?" 
She said, "No" and they shocked her.  They repeated again, 
"Do you understand?"  "Well, yes, but I don't want to."  
Shock her again untill they get compliance. Then they keep 
adding to it. "And you will hurt yourself by cutting 
yourself. Do you understand?" Maybe she'd say yes, but they 
might say, "We don't believe you" and shock her anyway. "Go 
back and go over it again." They would continue in this sort 
of fashion. She said typically it seemed as though they'd go 
about thirty minutes, take a break for a smoke or something, 
come back. They may review what they'd done and stopped or 
they might review what they'd done and go on to new 
material. She said the sessions might go half an hour, they 
might go three hours. She estimated three times a week. 
Programming under the influence of drugs in a certain 
brainwave state and with these noises in one ear and them 
speaking in the other ear, usually the left ear, associated 
with right hemisphere non-dominant brain functioning, and 
with them talking, therefore, and requiring intense 
concentration, intense focusing. Because often they'll have 
to memorize and say certain things back, word-perfect, to 
avoid punishment, shock, and other kinds of things that are 
occurring. This is basically how a lot of programming goes 
on. Some of it'll also use other typical brainwashing kinds 
of techniques. There will be very standardized types of 
hypnotic things done at times. There'll be sensory 
deprivation which we know increases suggestibility in 
anyone. Total sensory deprivation, suggestibility has 
significantly increased, from the research. It's not 
uncommon for them to use a great deal of that, including 
formal sensory-deprivation chambers before they do certain 
of these things.  [Pause] Now let me give you, because we 
don't have a lot of time, as much practical information as I 
can. The way that I would inquire as to whether or not some 
of this might be there would be with ideomotor finger-
signals. After you've set them up I would say, "I want the 
central inner core of you to take control of the finger-
signals." Don't ask the unconscious mind. The case where 
you're inquiring about ritual abuse, that's for the central 
inner core. The core is a Cult-created part. "And I want 
that central inner core of you to take control of this hand 
of these finger-signals and what it has for the yes-finger 
to float up. I want to ask the inner core of you is there 
any part of you, any part of Mary," that's the host's name, 
"who knows anything about Alpha, Beta, Delta, or Theta." If 
you get a Yes, it should raise a red flag that you might 
have someone with formal intensive brainwashing and 
programming in place. I would then ask and say, "I want a 
part inside who knows something about Alpha, Beta, Delta, 
and Theta to come up to a level where you can speak to me 
and when you're here say, 'I'm here.'" I would not ask if a 
part was willing to. No one's going to particularly want to 
talk about this. I would just say, "I want some part who can 
tell me about this to come out." Without leading them ask 
them what these things are. I've had consults where I've 
come in. Sometimes I've gotten a Yes to that, but as I've 
done exploration it appeared to be some kind of compliance 
response or somebody wanting, in two or three cases, to 
appear maybe that they were ritual abuse and maybe they were 
in some way, but with careful inquiry and looking it was 
obvious that they did not have what we were looking for. Let 
me tell you what these are. Let's suppose that this whole 
front row here are multiples and that she has an alter named 
Helen and she has one named Mary, she has one named 
Gertrude, she has one named Elizabeth, and she has one named 
Monica. Every one of those alters may have put on it a 
program, perhaps designated alpha-zero-zero-nine a Cult 
person could say, "Alpha-zero-zero-nine" or make some kind 
of hand gesture to indicate this and get the same part out 
in any one of them even though they had different names that 
they may be known by to you. Alphas appear to represent 
general programming, the first kind of things put in. Betas 
appear to be sexual programs. For example, how to perform 
oral sex in a certain way, how to perform sex in rituals, 
having to do with producing child pornography, directing 
child pornography, prostitution. Deltas are killers trained 
in how to kill in ceremonies. There'll also be some self-
harm stuff mixed in with that, assassination and killing. 
Thetas are called psychic killers. You know, I had never in 
my life heard those two terms paired together. I'd never 
heard the words "psychic killers" put together, but when you 
have people in different states, including therapists 
inquiring and asking, "What is Theta," and patients say to 
them, "Psychic killers," it tends to make one a believer 
that certain things are very systematic and very widespread. 
This comes from their belief in psychic sorts of abilities 
and powers, including their ability to psychically 
communicate with "mother'" including their ability to 
psychically cause somebody to develop a brain aneurysm and 
die. It also is a more future-oriented kind of programming. 
Then there's Omega. I usually don't include that word when I 
say my first question about this or any part inside that 
knows about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta because Omega will 
shake them even more. Omega has to do with self-destruct 
programming. Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. 
This can include self-mutilation as well as killing-
themselves programming. Gamma appears to be system-
protection and deception programming which will provide 
misinformation to you, try to misdirect you, tell you half-
truths, protect different things inside.  There can also be 
other Greek letters. I'd recommend that you go and get your 
entire Greek alphabet and if you have verified that some of 
this stuff is present and they have given you some of the 
right answers about what some of this material is, and I 
can't underline enough: DO NOT LEAD THEM. Do not say, "Is 
this killers?" Get the answer from them, please. When you've 
done this and it appears to be present, I would take your 
entire Greek alphabet and, with ideomotor signals, go 
through the alphabet and say, "Is there any programming 
inside associated with epsilon, omicron," and go on through.  
There may be some sytematicness to some of the other letter, 
but I'm not aware of it. I've found, for example, in one 
case that Zeta had to do with the production of snuff films 
that this person was involved with. With another person, 
Omicron had to do with their linkage and associations with 
drug smuggling and with the Mafia and with big business and 
government leaders. So there's going to be some 
individualism, I think, in some of those. Some of those are 
come-home programs, "come back to the Cult", "return to the 
Cult" program. Here's the flaw in the system. They have 
built in shut-down and erasure codes so if they got into 
trouble they could shut something down and they could also 
erase something. These codes will sometimes be idiosyncratic 
phrases, or ditties. Sometimes they will be numbers maybe 
followed by a word. There's some real individuality to that. 
At first I had hoped if we can get some of these maybe 
they'll work with different people. No such luck. It's very 
unlikely unless they were programmed at about the same point 
in time as part of the same little group. Stuff that I've 
seen suggests that they carry laptop computers, the 
programmers, which still include everything that they did 
twenty, thirty years ago in them in terms of the names of 
alters, the programs, the codes, and so on. Now what you can 
do is get erasure codes, and I always ask, "If I say this 
code, what will happen?'  Doublecheck. "Is there any part 
inside who has different information?"  Watch your ideomotor 
signals and what I've found is you can erase programs by 
giving the appropriate codes, but then you must abreact the 
feelings. So if you erase Omega, which is often where I've 
started because it's the most high risk. Afterwards I will 
get all the Omega, what were formerly Omega alters, together 
so that we will abreact and give back to the host the 
memories associated with all the programming that was done 
with Omega and anything any Omega part ever had to do in a 
fractionated abreaction. They use the metaphor -- and it is 
their metaphor -- of robots. and it is like a robot shell 
comes down over the child alter to make them act in robotic 
fashion. Once in a while internally you'll confront robots. 
What I found from earlier work, and so I speed the process 
up now because I confirmed it enough times, is that you can 
say to the core, "Core, I want you to look -- there's this 
robot blocking the way in some way, blocking the progress. 
Go around and look at the back of the head and tell me what 
you notice on the back of the head or the neck." I just ask 
it very non-leading like that and what's commonly said to me 
is that there were wires or a switch. So I'll tell them, 
"Hold the wires or flip the switch and it will immobilize 
the robot and give me a yes-signal when you've done it."  
Pretty soon you get a yes-signal. "Great. Now that the robot 
is immobilized, I want you to look inside the robot and tell 
me what you see." It's generally one or several children. I 
have them remove the children. I do a little hypnotic magic 
and ask the core to use a laser and vaporize the robot so 
nothing is left. They're usually quite amazed that this 
works, as have been a number of therapists. [Pause] 


