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                               Volume 2, Issue #17
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                              "Follow your Leader."

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þ ADVISORIES - The Stentor Alliance explained.
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þ BIG BROTHER BASHING - American Civil Liberties under seige, etc.
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þ CORRUPTION AND GREED - Bell Canada's greedy, cash grabbing schemes.
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þ CROSSED WIRES - An Advertisement for K-1ine.
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þ DAMAGE, INC. REVIEWS - H/P and Security Web Sites.
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INTRODUCTION:

Man, it has been two years since the first issue of the Damage, INC. Newsletter
was released.  And to say the least, it has been a real trip publishing this
magazine for that duration of time.  Even though this isn't going to be called
our official "2nd Anniversary Issue", it will still be interesting and special
in its own right.  We'll make damn sure of that.

To say that this zine has evolved since its humble creation would be an
understatement.  Just as, to say that we've changed because of it wouldn't
begin to describe what we've gone through.  So instead, I'll just say that
I couldn't have imagined how this would turn out when it began.  Nobody could
have predicted where this zine would be after it had been in publication for
two years, seventeen issues and several group alterations later.  And no one
can say with any certainty where it will be years from now.  With the future,
there aren't any definitive answers, just guesses.  I'm not going to start
playing the guessing game.  I'd rather comment on the current state of the zine
by stating that it's in good shape and I'm satisfied with the progress that
has been made thus far.

I won't say I don't have any regrets though, because in fact I do.  Shatazar and
Blackie Lawless have said they have some regrets as well.  Basically, I regret
publishing some of the articles in the early issues and wish we'd been more
mature back in the beginning.  More editing and better proofreading should have
been done back then.  Some of the first interviews and interrogations were lame
as well.  However, I don't regret creating this zine at the time I did, and
can't change the past.  Nor will I try to hide it by pretending the zine was
never new and still developing into what it is today.  Regardless of that, the
foundation hasn't cracked.  It's still there, standing strong... just as we are.

The quote chosen for this issue, "Follow your Leader"... might be deserving
of an explanation since it could be misleading.  And we wouldn't want anyone
to feel deceived.  First, it isn't the name of a Korn CD.  Second, it isn't
the name of a children's game.  Third, it isn't the old cliche.  That's right,
it isn't "Follow the Leader".  Nor does it carry the same meaning as that
saying.  In a way, the quote is meant to be sarcastic.  Yet, in a very real
way it's meant to make you, the reader, stop and think about what it means to
"Follow your Leader."  By no means are we telling people to join a cult or
find a person to follow around though.  So, don't get us wrong.  ;)

Your leader can also be yourself.  In fact, that's actually who it should be.
The issue is more about leading your own life than it is about choosing someone
else to follow.  But I think instead of explaining it in great detail, I'll
let the issue speak for itself.  They always seem to have a way of doing that
anyway.  Then after having read it, you can sort it out and decide what it all
means to you personally.  Yeah, now there's a concept.  Think about what you
read and figure it out on your own.


ADVISORIES -                                                   {ADVISORIES}
The Stentor Alliance explained.

We apologize for the inconvenience, but the Stentor Alliance article wasn't
complete at the time this issue was released.  However, it will appear in the
next issue.  And we're confident it'll be worth the wait.


BIG BROTHER BASHING -                                         {BIG BROTHER}

American Civil Liberties under seige.

The United States of America is thought of to be the last place where civil
freedom exists.  Compared to other countries, I personally believe this to be
true.  Although the U.S. Constitution has been attacked and eroded, it has not
totally fallen... yet.  It does not contain weak wording like other countries'
Constitutions do.  That is, the countries that contain them as part of their
system.  However, Big Brother does continue its attacks on what the Founding
Fathers had in mind for all Americans.  Instead of writing another feature
article on this subject, I'd like to share a very, very small sampling of
various types of civil liberties abuses that have been perpetrated against
ordinary Americans in the past 12 months.

                                 *   *   *

On March 13, 1999, five teens that live near the city of Atlanta, Georgia were
arrested because an Internet web site claimed that they were gang members.  In
late 1998, one of their "buddies" created the site as a "joke", which listed
their names along with the name and logo of a local gang.  Their local sheriff's
department stormed their high school and arrested the teens.  Later, the sheriff
admitted that the kids were just "wannabes."  Although the teens were later
released, their First Amendment rights were obviously violated based totally on
a perceived thoughtcrime.

                                 *   *   *

On April 6, 1999, the Supreme Court made a ruling that expands the powers of
American Law Enforcement.  By a ruling of 6 to 3, it is now legal for police
officers to search a car passenger's belongings simply because they are
suspicious that the driver may have committed an illegal act.  Now pigs can
search everything and everyone in a car without a search warrant.  The so-called
"war on drugs" exemptions have been used by Big Brother to weaken the
Constitutional rights of Americans to be protected against unwarranted searches
and seizures.  No reasonable evidence of a crime being committed is required.

                                 *   *   *

With American prisons filling up more and more each day, Big Brother has a new
"toy" to keep them "in line."  Over 20 states have authorized the use of stun
belts to be used on prisoners.  The stun belt was designed to deliver a heavy
jolt to the prisoner's kidney, which causes temporary paralysis and loss of
bodily functions.  Big Brother has so far been able to shrug off critics that
claim it is "cruel and unusual punishment," which is prohibited by the
Constitution and international human rights agreements.  Their valid argument
has fallen on deaf ears and been ignored by the courts.

What is even more disturbing is that 30 states use them in routine local law
enforcement.  That's right.  You can be arrested, and a stun belt can forcibly
be attached to your waist in order to "protect the officers."  I can see pigs
abusing this power as some officers have brutalized arrested suspects in the
past, countless times.  Unfortunately, knowing zombies, I'm sure they'll believe
law enforcement's promise that they'll only be used when a prisoner/suspect/etc.
threatens to escape custody or attempts to assault an officer.  Of course, the
use/misuse/abuse of stun belts are up to the individual police officer and/or
prison guard.

In fact, abuse of the stun belts has already been recorded.  In July, 1998 a
Los Angeles municipal court judge ordered a bailiff to shock a bound defendant
with 50,000 volts of electricity because, in his opinion, he was talking too
much.  The judge's actions prompted the ACLU of Southern California to call for
an immediate and permanent ban on the use of stun belts by county judges or
other court personnel as a means of punishing or otherwise restraining any
non-violent defendants.  However, since these devices are new, there are no laws
governing their use... just the legal system's empty promises.  In most
instances, a blind eye is turned towards their use anyway.

                                 *   *   *

Good Ol' Janet Reno is at it again.  In early March, 1998 she asked the National
Commission on the Future of DNA Evidence to study the legality of taking DNA
samples from everyone arrested.  Current law only allows DNA extraction from
convicted sex offenders and "violent felons."  It's just more proof that in the
United States, as well as all over the world, the words "innocent until proven
guilty" are meaningless and powerless.  To put this issue into perspective,
approximately 15 million (or more!) people are arrested by U.S. law enforcement
every year.  Several million are arrested on felony charges for possession of
a controlled substance, such as marijuana, and jailed.  Meanwhile, many high
profile politicians (including Bill Clinton) have publicly admitted to using
the same drug in their past, laughed about it during interviews, and faced no
charges.  And they have the audacity to campaign on increasing the length of
jail sentences and have a stance of "getting tough on drugs".  Hypocrites.  No
one should have to spend 20 years behind bars for possessing marijuana for
their own personal use.  It's hypocritical and ridiculous for that to happen,
especially considering the vast majority (well over 50%) of Americans have
used marijuana at one time or another in their lives.

The commission reported that DNA collection from every person arrested in the
United States is impractical under current archival conditions.  The
commission did not address the fact that innocent arrestees would be raped of
their civil liberties and privacy when their DNA is extracted and analysed by
the Government.  They didn't even acknowledge the fact that being arrested is
not the same as being convicted of a crime.  It is obvious that this kangaroo
commission was offering a readiness report to Reno, and did not address any
important civil right or Constitutional issues behind this terrible scheme.

                                 *   *   *

It may not be well known that since 1997, Image Data, a company in New
Hampshire, has been paid well ($1.5 million) by the U.S. Secret Service to
create a "national identity database" that contains a picture of every adult
American.  It is only a matter of time before their goal is acheived, as State
run Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) changes to digital camera systems.  Image
Data is already compiling and digitizing pictures from several States.

Image Data denies that there are "any legitimate privacy issues at stake" in
a report released in early 1999.  "Many other newspapers, television programs,
magazines also did news stories on Image Data LLC and its system [that] in some
cases... focused on the 'Privacy' concerns and presented an inaccurate
presentation," Houvener, CEO of Image Data, wrote.

Privacy and Civil Rights activists are concerned that there is no way to opt
out of this scheme.  A picture must be surrendered to the DMV in order for the
recipient to renew their driver's license.

Houvener, who claims that he has been a "victim of identity fraud," says his
national photo file will be targeted at "identity criminals" that he estimates
cost businesses billions of dollars a year.  Legislators who funded the project
believe the database would be used to stop illegal immigrants and terrorists.
Ah yes, the ol' trade privacy for crime prevention gambit that Big Brother uses
time and time again is still alive and well.

Image Data's "True ID" technology currently feeds photos into its database in
one of two ways.  The company has contracts with State motor vehicle departments
that supply the analog negatives or the digital images on magnetic tape.  It
also persuades shoppers (zombies) to scan their IDs into the database by
inserting them into devices at specially equipped stores.  And zombies don't
require much encouragement to do something that steals their privacy.

According to one of Image Data's monthly reports sent to Special Agent Cary
Rosoff of the Secret Service's financial crimes division, company
representatives were negotiating a contract with Missouri officials, too.
"Missouri [is] in the final stages of implementing a digital driver license
system."  However, Image Data has run into some difficulties.  They have
millions of 35 mm photos, but it takes a lot of time to digitize them.  Also,
some States allow renewal by mail on occasion, which prevents people from
getting their faces digitized by Image Data.  Time is running out.  This
Secret Service initiative will eventually be completed, with your co-operation
of course, unless Big Brother is stopped.

                                 *   *   *

The State of Michigan has plans to make its poorest families into true
second-class American citizens.  Michigan plans to require all welfare
recipients to submit to drug tests before they receive their benefits.  This
applies to families only because it is impossible for a single person in
Michigan to receive welfare.  I can't understand how this action can be allowed
under the U.S. Constitution.  It's currently being challenged by the American
Civil Liberties Union.  "Forcing parents to choose between providing for their
children and giving up their privacy rights is a giant step backward for public
policy in Michigan," said Kary Moss, Executive Director of the ACLU of Michigan
and an attorney in the case.

The Fourth Amendment guarantees that no individual in the U.S. can be subjected
to a search by the government unless there is reasonable suspicion that they
have committed a crime.  It is evident that Big Brother believes that being a
poor person is a crime.  I can tell you that Americans aren't alone in this
threat.  Ontario dictator Mike "Harrass" (Harris) promised to initiate a
similar program here.

                                 *   *   *

In Cicero, Illinois, it is currently legal for the police to seize and impound a
motor vehicle if they suspect it is owned by a member of a gang.  The cops do
not need a warrant, nor do they have to defend their "suspicions" in any way.
In other words, a pig can take seize a car based solely on a whim, without fear
of punishment from any source.  By declaring itself a "gang free" zone, the Town
of Cicero is ignorantly claiming victory.  Basically, if a driver cannot prove
"innocence" (which is not possible when dealing with a member of the Thought
Police), his or her car can be immediately seized.  Hopefully this boastful town
will not be allowed to send out vigilantes dressed in blue for very much longer.

Written by Shatazar ú Damage, INC. (C)opyright 1999.


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                        Prison Phone Rights Fading....
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by Phractal (The newbie that nobody likes)

First off, let me introduce myself. I am Phractal. I am a newbie to h/p, and
have only had a very deep interest in h/p for about a year. I own a redbox and
crimson box. That's pretty much all the (lame) phreaking I have done so far. As
for my computer hacking. I'm currently working on two virtual servers which
both are a variant of Unix, and hopefully it shouldn't be too hard because they
both have PHF, and just when I thought that PHF was extinct.

On to the article:

According to a study by the U.S. Justice Department on August 12th, 1999,
criminals inside the US's 94 federal prisons are committing crimes by making
drug deals, frauds, etc.. all by picking up payphones. (As to whether they are
telco operated as opposed to blood sucking cocots, we will never know)

The study found that this problem "appears to be widespread", and found that 117
"serious" crimes were committed by prisoners' calls via pay phones in "recent"
years. These are all ambiguous terms that the government has released to the
public concerning this matter. The problem "Appears To Be Widespread". They have
no definite count. For all we know, the problem could only be serious in two or
three prisons. Big Brother is only trying to use these "criminal activity" calls
to further take away the few rights prison inmates have.

The study found 117 "serious" crimes were committed by payphones in "recent"
years. What is to be considered serious, what is to be considered recent? Big
Brother considers even THINKING about redboxing that phone down the street a
"Serious" crime, let alone when someone actually "does" it. And this study
proves that these 117 crimes were committed in "recent" years? What Big Brother
means is that only about 5 or 6 of these crimes could have committed a year for
the past 20 years, or maybe only two or three a year for the past 50 YEARS! Why
would Big Brother use the term recent, if he didn't want to cover up the fact
that this isn't a very serious issue and has only totalled up the amount of
crimes over a long time, and he is just looking to take what little rights we
have left away from us! You could do just as well or better for that matter with
a common crime such as shoplifting. If you add up the number of busts over
shoplifting for the past 20 or even 5 years, you would have a mighty big number.
The same goes for speeding, drinking and drug use. This phone crime that has
supposedly "wide-spread" is just like any of those, but in this case Big Brother
is kicking them when they're down because they are already in prison and most
likely guilty of some other crime, but you never know nowadays, as the
government gets more corrupt and chaotic everyday.

Personally I have no doubt in my mind that not many (if any) of the criminals
in the federal prisons are using payphones for crimes.

I'd like to thank the Damage, INC. Newsletter if this ever gets published in
their zine, as RedBoxChiliPepper said "You Guys Are Really Cool, I Swear". Some
of your articles really started to put me on the right track.

And here is some advice for newbies that are even newer than me:

READ! Read whatever you can come across about hacking or phreaking. Of course
texts won't make you a hacker overnight, but they point you in the right
direction. Heck, I'm no hacker and I've read tons of texts, and tried to hack
too. But I'm getting there, and I will also give you some texts which I thought
helped me out the most.

The Ultimate Beginners Guide to Hacking and Phreaking-by LOA ASH
A Beginners Step by Step Guide to becoming a Hacker-by IceKool (edited by kM)
A Novices Guide to Hacking 1989 Edition(old but still good)-by The Mentor
Confidence Remains High Issue 1(one of the best h/p/v texts I've ever read)
Phrack Magazine Issue 47 (Contains a special "Phrack" Version of the
alt.2600 FAQ)
Damage, INC. Newsletter Issue 2 (More info and files for newbies)

1999 --={[ Phractal ]}=--


CONSPIRACIES AND COVERUPS -                                      {COVERUPS}
Dulce's secret alien facility.

In past issues of the Damage, INC. Newsletter we've delved into the alien
conspiracy.  We've looked at secret organizations and examined testimony of a
secret base dedicated to alien craft technology.  In this article, the subject
will be the infamous secret, underground base that is believed to be near the
small ranching town of Dulce, New Mexico.  This base is considered to be the
focal point of cattle mutilations and human abductions on the North American
continent.

Dulce, New Mexico is a small town very close to the New Mexico-Colorado border
and is approximately three hours north of Albuquerque.  It's near the Jicarilla
Apache Reservation.  It is rugged country, especially to the north where the
Archuleta Mesa is divided by the state border.  Under the harsh landscape of
the Archuleta Mesa is where the Dulce secret underground facility is believed
to exist.

Even before witnesses claimed there was a secret alien facility near Dulce,
strange or "occult" cattle mutiliations were reported by Dulce area ranchers.
Dulce residents, as well as residents in the general "Four Corners" area
`disappeared' at a higher rate than other areas of the United States.  UFO/Alien
researchers focused their attention on Dulce in the early 1980s after several
abducted people came forward with the tales of being taken to an underground
base.  They reported seeing little "gray men" with four clawed fingers and black
slits for eyes.  They also saw other human beings in cages, awaiting whatever
the scientists desired of them.  Dulce investigators got their first "inside"
witness when Thomas Edwin Castello, a former Dulce Base Security officer escaped
the facility after a human/alien battle known as the "Dulce Wars".  In order to
inform you about the Dulce conspiracy in the small space provided in the
Damage, INC. Newsletter, this article will focus on Castello's description of
the base, its occupants, and so on.

When asked about the origin of the base, Castello said that there was a vast
network of underground tunnels that stretch many thousands of feet into the
earth.  In these caverns, alien beings have supposedly lived in such caves for
centuries.  Castello stated that "Dulce was started in 1937-38 by the Army
engineers, enlarged over the years, most recent work was completed 1965-66 to
connect tunnels to the Page [Arizona] Base, site of one of the older underground
facilities."  As a side note, most of the Native Americans living in that area
are aware of that base, and could tell us about the underground life forms that
frequently are spotted near those communities, even hundreds of years ago
according to the tribe's legends and artwork.

As a technical security officer, Thomas Castello had access to all seven levels.
When asked if there were hidden levels or caverns below the seventh, he said to
an interviewer, "Your guess is as good as mine... Sure, there was lots of TALK
but that doesn't mean it's there.  However, I will tell you I saw elevators that
were "off limits" unless you had an UMBRA or higher security clearance.  At that
base, information is supplied to me at a `need to know' basis ONLY!"  Different
alien activities occur at Dulce than at Area S-4.  The Dulce facility is a vast,
seven-level laboratory complex.  Most of the work done in the Dulce labs deals
with the grays and another race named the "Reptoids", that do various types of
human genetic research.  Needless to say the soulless aliens don't allow any
moral or ethical codes to "hinder" their work.

The security at the secret Dulce facility was obviously very tight and
oppressive.  After the Second Level, everyone is weighed, in the nude, then
given a uniform to wear.  "Visitors" (abductees) are given an 'off white'
uniform.  In front of all sensitive areas are scales built under the doorway,
by the door control.  The person's card must match with the weight and code or
the door simply won't open.  Any discrepancy in weight (any change over three
pounds) will summon Security.  No one is allowed to carry anything into or out
of sensitive areas.  All supplies are put thru a Security conveyor system.
Castello:  "At Dulce there also are still and VCR cameras, eye print, hand print
stations, weight monitors, lasers, ELF and EM equipment, heat sensors and motion
detectors and quite a few other methods.  There is no way you could get very far
into the base.  If you made it to the second level, you would be spotted within
fifteen feet.  More than likely, you would become an inmate and never see the
light of the surface world again.  If you were `lucky', you would be
re-programmed and become one of the countless spies for the Ruling Caste."  The
security system, like everything else at the Dulce base, is powered by magnetic
power.

The First Level of the Dulce facility starts 200 feet from the surface.  Each
level has a ceiling of seven feet, except levels six and seven, the ceiling
there is 45 and 60 feet.  There's approximately 45 feet or more between each
level.  The average highway ceiling is twenty five feet.  The hub at the base is
3,000 feet wide.  Level 1 contains the garage for street maintenance.  There are
many underground highways that leave the Dulce base.  From all other levels the
roads will climb in a steep spiral to join the upper levels.  After a few miles
more those three levels too, join in a huge intersection that rivals any
'cloverleaf' exchange, anywhere.  The five main exit roads that leave the base
have no markings anywhere, but after the exchanges, there are mileage markers
in English posted in the walls of the tunnels.  The underground highways
occasionally follow the same direction as the Terradrive shuttle.  That shuttle
is also known as the Sub-Global System.

Castello said that Level 2 contains the "garage" for trains, shuttles,
tunnel-boring machines, and disc (UFO) maintenance.  Not only are there
underground highways, but the aliens and their human conspirators have created a
huge network of underground shuttle tubes that create what is known by them as
the "Sub-Global System."  It has "check points" at each country entry.  There
are shuttle tubes that 'shoot' the trains at incredible speeds using a mag-lev
and vacuum method.  They travel at a speed that exceeds the speed of sound.
The Sub-Global System connects all of the aliens bases together.  For example,
Castello stated that from Dulce, there is a train that can shuttle people to the
Los Alamos Labs.  Area 51, and all other secret bases are connected to this vast
network of tunnels that have been bored out of solid earth.  Level 3 of the
facility wasn't described fully by Castello.  He did state that this level
contains more underground highways that reach towards the surface.

Starting at Level 4 is where the bizarre and frightening research begins.  Level
4 is dedicated to Human-Aura research, as well as all aspects of Dreams,
Hypnosis, Telepathy, etc.  They (the aliens) know how to manipulate the
bioplasmic body (of Man).  They can lower your heart beat, with Deep Sleep
"delta waves", induce a static shock, then re-program via a Brain-Computer Link.
They can introduce data and programmed reactions into your Mind (Information
impregnation - the "Dream Library".)  We are entering an era of the
"Technologicalization of Psychic Powers."

The development of techniques to enhance man/machine communications, Nano-Tech,
Bio-Tech Micro-Machines, PSI-War, E.D.O.M. (Electronic Dissolution of Memory),
R.H.I.C. (Radio-Hypnotic Intra-Cerebral Control) and various forms of behavior
control (Via Chemical Agents, Ultra-Sonics, Optical and other forms of EM
Radiation).  The Physics of "Consciousness" are also studied here.  It has
been documented by many researchers that the Grays and Reptoids have and still
practice mind control techniques on humans.  When they abduct a human, they
can inject a small implant that enables them to take control of that human via
some kind of beam.  Castello also claims that the aliens have facilities to
capture human spies that use astral projection to remotely view their facility.

The fifth level is dominated and controlled by the Grays and Reptoids because it
contains their living quarters.  On this level, more than others, the alien
language of symbols is preeminent.  Human workers at Dulce are told to keep
their curiosity in check or else their lives could be in danger.  Castello
claims to have formally negotiated with alien subleaders on this level for the
release of human workers.

Level 6 of the Dulce facility is privately called "Nightmare Hall" by those that
work there, although Castello said that the proper name for this level is
"Vivarium."  It holds the Genetic Labs.  Reports from workers who have talked to
Dulce researchers have seen bizarre experimentation, as follows:  "I have seen
multi-legged 'humans' that look like half-human / half-octopus.  Also
Reptilian-humans, and furry creatures that have hands like humans and cries like
a baby, it mimics human words... also huge mixture of Lizard-humans in cages".
There are fish, seals, birds and mice that can barely be considered those
species.  There are several cages (and vats) of Winged-humanoids, grotesque
Bat-like creatures...about 3 1/2 to 7 feet tall.  On this level, low ranking
Grays do the daily chores, mopping the latex floors, cleaning the cages,
bringing food to the hungry people and other species.  It is their job to
formulate the proper mixture for the type one and type two beings that the
Draco Race (the leading alien race at Dulce) has created.

Of all the levels, Level 7 is the most insidious.  This level proves that the
Grays, Reptoids, and Draco races have nothing but malevolent goals where the
human race is concerned.  Row after row of thousands of humans and human
mixtures in cold storage.  Castello and abductees that were brought to this
level testify that there are vats filled with a sick-smelling liquid that
contained body parts from human men, woman and children.  Here too are embryo
storage vats of Humanoids in various stages of development.  Castello:  "I
frequently encountered humans in cages, usually dazed or drugged, but sometimes
they cried and begged for help.  We were told they were hopelessly insane, and
involved in high risk drug tests to cure insanity.  We were told to never try to
speak to them at all. At the beginning we believed that story."  The Gray aliens
FEED from the vats of mutilated human and bovine bodies.  The Gray's digestive
system is non-functional, so they absorb this horrible mixture through their
skin.  They then excrete waste through their skin as well.  Truly, this terrible
level proves that the Government has sold us out to the aliens for technology.

There was unrest among the humans, as well as some aliens that were part of the
"working caste."  After being observed by this group, Castello was approached
and asked for help to stop the butchering of humans on Level 7, as well as the
rest of the base.  In late 1979, there was a confrontation between Castello and
his supporters, which were armed with alien weapons, with a group of men from
DELTA group (armed with conventional automatic weapons) and the 18,000 residing
aliens.  Sixty-Six men died as they were badly outmatched.  Castello was
fortunate enough to escape the Dulce facility through one of the Level 3
highway exits.

However, Castello claims to have taken a huge risk.  A few years later, he
secretly reentered the Dulce facility.  Using a small camera, he took over 30
photos of areas within the multi-level complex.  He removed a security video
tape from the Control Center which showed various security camera views of
hallways, labs, aliens, and 'U.S. Government' personnel.  He also collected
documents to take with him.  Then, by shutting off the alarm and camera system
in one of the over 100 exits to the surface, he left the facility with the
photos, video, and documents.  These `originals' were hidden after five sets of
copies were made.  These were placed in the hands of five individuals, who were
told that if they failed to hear from Castello for three consecutive 6 month
periods -- normally he would visit each of them every six months -- then they
could release the information or do whatever they wanted with it.  No one except
Castello and the recipients themselves know who these people are.  However, with
rumors of Castello's death or disappearance in Costa Rica in recent years, the
chosen recipients can release the information if they choose to do so.

It's believed that Castello disappeared from the face of the earth in around
1990 or so.  And yet none of the information he gave to his comrades and
entrusted them with has been released thus far, to our knowledge at least.
Granted, Castello makes some very large, outrageous, almost unbelievable claims
but even if some of them are true, no matter how exaggerated they might be, it
would change the way we think of this world, the government and the universe.
If indeed he did acquire the tapes, photographs and information mentioned in
this article, and passed it along to the afformentioned associates/comrades,
then why hasn't this evidence been publicly released to prove his case to the
world?  Why haven't they done what they were instructed to do?  Have they been
silenced somehow to prevent this knowledge from escaping the grasp of the
Government and aliens?  Or did they willingly relinquish the evidence Castello
gave them to the other side?  It's also possible that they're still holding and
for some strange reason haven't decided to go public with it yet.  I mean, they
could easily use technology to distribute the truth to the masses if they so
desired.  And isn't that what this whole story is about, technology?  If nothing
else, perhaps this article will make you think twice about technology and the
cost that we've all paid for it.  As human beings that's something that we all
must stop and consider from time to time while living in this so-called
'high tech' world, that's driven and controlled by Big Brother and all of his
lesser conspirators.

Written by Blackie Lawless ú Damage, INC. (C)opyright 1999.


The WTO equals the NWO.

The World Trade Organization (WTO) which held its annual meeting in Seattle,
Washington this year isn't merely an organization that's devoted to promoting
free trade across the borders of the world, without tariffs and other trade
restrictions.  It is in fact an agency that works for the New World Order,
hiding under the umbrella of "world trade".  The reality is that their umbrella
is stamped with an NWO logo, proudly displayed to members only.  They're
partners in crime, namely the crime of trying to control humanity.  And that's
the truth that I hope to reveal in this article, so that people may better
understand why there has been such opposition to the WTO in various countries.

In this past week, through the media's own eyes (another NWO faction in my
opinion), I've watched the demonstrations, marches, sitdown protests, etc.
against the WTO.  I've also witnessed the police brutality.  The riot squad
used pepper spray, rubber bullets, clubs and tear gas against what I would
personally describe as relatively peaceful protestors, that posed no danger or
threat to the police or the uninvolved citizens of Seattle.  I saw students,
still blinded by pepper spray, sitting on the pavement in the streets.  I saw
injured people trying to flee the wrath of the police.  All of this was done
in the name of the WTO, and trying to ensure that a route was cleared for
conference attendees.  Above all else, they wanted to make sure the meetings
wouldn't be delayed, even at the cost of human lives.  Now then, that being
said, doesn't it stand to reason that the WTO is viewed by the government and
police as being *very* important?  Isn't it logical to think that the government
(in this case, the United States government) chose to do everything in its power
to make sure the WTO meetings went ahead as planned, on schedule?  The planning
started taking place a year prior to the date of the meetings.  The security
forces used were trained especially for the WTO.  Additional manpower was set
aside in case it was needed.  Millions of dollars were spent on security.  Not
only did they expect "trouble", but they attempted to prepare for it.  They knew
ahead of time that there would be opposition.  They just underestimated how
large it would be.  Plus, they tried desperately to stop any attempts to delay
the start of the meetings in order to show that they were in complete control.
That's another trait of the NWO.  The fact is, they weren't.  They were
surprised by the amount of people that made the voyage to Seattle in order to
speak their minds, and speak out against the WTO.  They simply didn't expect
that many people to feel that strongly about the WTO.  In other words, they
assumed that by now we're all zombies and nobody would care enough to speak out
and voice their opinions, publicly.  Nobody would risk their lives for a cause.

So what's so important about global trade?  Why would the government care?
Why would anyone care?  Well, globalization, more specifically, economic
globalization, is a step towards the New World Order.  It's something that
certain governments are working desperately to achieve.  If they can agree
to globalize the economy (and thus enslave a great many people, including
children as a cheap source of labour), then they can eventually meet their
goal to control us all through a New World Order.  And of course, if that
happens, there won't be any boundaries.  There won't be any checks and balances.
There will just be a watchdog named the NWO that rules the world.  Globalization
is just one of the steps.  It destroys nationalism.  It takes jobs from one
country and places them in another.  It rapes the poor.  It makes the rich
richer.  It gives the large corporations higher profits.  It breaks down the
barriers and at the same time, breaks apart the unions that've been formed
over the last few decades.  That simply means that the workers suffer.  Some
lose their jobs while others are exploited.  And inevitably, the environment
suffers as well.  It's all in the name of capitalism.  And it doesn't just
benefit the huge corporations of the world.  It also benefits the governments
greatly, which is why they support the WTO so vigorously.

In addition to all of that, the WTO wants to create a "global culture", which
is just as destructive as a global economy.  To explain, just think of how
very different the various cultures of the peoples of the world were previous
to the start of this century.  Obviously trade, technology and mass immigration
changes things on a dramatic scale.  However, so do organizations like the WTO.
And above all else, so does globalization.  It destroys the uniqueness of each
individual culture and masses them together into one ambiguous one, making
them almost indistinguishable.  And in the process, making us the same and
taking away our identity.

The WTO is about control, not free trade.  It's about control over labour,
resources and the cheap labour sources in the world.  And it's about control
over consumers.  However, it's also about control over resources, not just
natural resources, but every resource that a country has to offer, including
their technology, people (thinkers, workers, consumers), products, etc.  The
WTO isn't concerned about the environment.  They aren't concerned about the
exploitation of children in labour.  And what people think of them definitely
isn't a concern of theirs.  Nobody governs the WTO.  That's the reason they can
be called corrupt without it simply being an unjust insult or label.  That's
what makes them an oppressive organization that's accountable to no one.

In conclusion, if the WTO (and the various representatives from the nations
involved) have nothing to hide, then why do they hold secret, closed door
meetings?  Why is the organization run by a group of cowardly bureaucrats?
Why aren't the meetings open to the press and more importantly, the public?
Also, why don't they speak publicly about their objectives and overall agenda?
Afterall, that would prevent the type of publicity and protests that the police
claim, on their behalf, that they wish to avoid.  Who is the WTO working for?
Who's working for them?  Who else is cooperating with them?  What's their
ultimate goal?  Will it be achieved?  Will anyone stop them?  Who can stop them?
How powerful will the WTO get if they're left unopposed?  All of these questions
are valid and important.  Not only that, it's important for people to think
about them.  Secret, faceless organizations like the WTO are Big Brother at its
best, or worst... depending on your perspective.  Brave New World?  Welcome to
the New World Trade Order, or NWTO for short.  It isn't 1984, but it's going to
be Big Brother in 2000.  And they're off to the races.

Written by Blackie Lawless ú Damage, INC. (C)opyright 1999.


CORRUPTION AND GREED -                                              {GREED}
Bell Canada's greedy, cash grabbing schemes.

In issue #4 of the Damage, INC. Newsletter, Shatazar wrote an article which
explained one of Bell Canada's cash grabbing schemes.  It dealt with the true
cost of "equipment rentals", namely renting Bell phones.  An abiguous charge
that Bell did their best to hide from customers.  It clearly demonstrated
that for the price Bell charges monthly for renting a phone, you could purchase
a high quality phone and save a lot of money, instead of making Bell wealthier.
But that's just one of the scams that Bell Canada is infamous for perpetuating
over the decades in which it has operated.  By no means is that the only cash
grabbing, money making scheme that they rely on for profit.  So, due to their
greed, I felt it was necessary to write an up-to-date article on the topic, and
share my opinions about some of Bell's biggest, greediest, most corrupt schemes.
The consumer needs to be informed so that they can avoid being unnecessarily
ripped off by good ol' Bell Canada.  No longer could we stand idly by and watch
the telco monopolize the local service market, and exploit people through scams.

Bell FirstRate plan:

Sure, on the surface it looks like it's a good deal.  $20/month maximum for
"unlimited" long distance calls to anywhere in Canada!  So, how can Bell afford
to provide customers with a long distance calling plan such as this?  Before
you start thinking it's impossible, or that they're losing money with FirstRate,
make sure you read the fine print.  There are limited hours in which you can
call.  If you make a long distance call from Montreal to Vancouver before 6pm,
the charge isn't 10 cents per minute and won't go under the $20/month max
charge.  You'll have to fork out big dollars to Bell when the next phone bill
arrives in the mail.  A lot of people have been scammed by that stipulation
and fooled into thinking that long distance in Canada is virtually free.  Plus,
some people that never used to call ld now spend $20 every month on long
distance.  So, in effect, Bell has lured more people into calling ld and paying
something for it.  And the $20/month FirstRate plan only applies to residential
customers.  I can assure you that they still make plenty of profit from
businesses, calls to the United States and International calls.

The only customers that aren't being ripped off by FirstRate are the ones that
used to pay more than $20/month for long distance anyway, don't need to make
those calls during certain hours, and now make more ld calls at night to take
advantage of the $20 maximum fee.  Even so, no matter how many times you call ld
or how much you use FirstRate each month, Bell doesn't lose any money.  So don't
think that you're "ripping off Bell" or "abusing FirstRate".  Don't bother to
figure out what your phone bill would've been without it either.  Nobody cares
if it "would have been $400 or 4 grand."  Just keep in mind that if you run
up the full $20 in ld per month that you're still handing them a total of $240
per year, in addition to the cost of local service and any other services (such
as SmartTouch) that you pay for monthly.  With Bell Canada you always have to
read the rules, restrictions and conditions with a magnifying glass, just to
make sure you aren't getting ripped off.  Hell, check out the terms and
conditions of use printed in the phone book sometime.

SmartTouch services:

Most people already know that Bell's SmartTouch services are a big ripoff.  But
I had to mention them anyway, just in case someone didn't realize they were.
For the people reading this that don't understand why SmartTouch features are
a ripoff, consider this:  Services such as Caller-ID have monthly fees, yet
they can easily be defeated.  So can Call Blocking/Screening.  Plus, many people
pay for features that they never use and don't need.  Bell Canada influences
them (mainly through telemarketing calls and advertisements) into ordering
extra features with tricks like limited time offers and "free for a month"
scams.  They're laughing in the end because a lot of customers don't ever
bother to cancel them.  That earns them an extra few million per year alone.

Installation/repairs:

This is one of the biggest Bell Canada scams of all.  They can charge $90+ just
for connecting two wires in a phone jack.  As soon as they enter your house,
it's classified as being a service call, and even if they do absolutely nothing
you have to pay them for the cost of a full hour's repair work.  Could anyone
defend that and argue that it's a fair business practice?

As for installation charges, they're yet another scam.  Installing telephones
wires and connecting a line is a very simple task, which Bell overcharges every
customer for.  The same goes for installing multiple wall mounted telephone
jacks.  Never have more than one jack installed by Bell.  And never pay them
to move a jack.  The jacks can be purchased elsewhere, can be installed by
anyone and are relatively inexpensive.  Of course, prices will vary depending
on the area you live in, and the stores that sell phone jacks, etc.

Deposits:

Bell Canada is infamous for charging customers outrageous deposits before they
can get a phone line installed, or have the ability to make long distance calls
using their home phone line.  The usual deposit amount they request ranges
from $200 to upwards of $500, or more.  Since most people don't simply cancel
their phone service after a short period of time, like a month or two, Bell
invests the money and makes a tremendous amount of interest on *their* deposits.
If you consider that almost every adult has at least one phone line, just think
about the millions of dollars that Bell has taken, tied up, and used for their
own benefit to profit.  If you're planning to move out of Bell Canada's service
area, and want to make the most out of losing your $200 deposit, the best thing
to do is ring up $10,000 or more in international ld calls right before moving.
Then after they've disconnected service, call Bell from a payphone and say
"You can keep my deposit..." and hangup on them.

Interest/service charges:

Just like your average bank or credit card company, Bell Canada profits greatly
from service charges and interest on bills that weren't paid in full, on or
before the date they're due.  Basically, if the payment you make isn't for the
full amount Bell is requesting, they will charge you interest.  And of course,
they set the interest rates, which they can change at any time without prior
notice.  If you pay a late charge/interest each month, it adds up fast.

As for the service charges, I'm not referring to equipment rentals or anything
of the sort.  There are actual service charges that appear on each customer's
phone bill, every month.  Some of the services that we're forced to pay for
aren't even ones that we need or will ever use.  Bell Canada just takes it upon
itself to charge everyone equally for them, including TTY service for the deaf,
etc.  Personally, I don't feel that adding service charges to obtain higher
profits from local service is fair.  In my opinion, you should only be
responsible for paying for the services that you actually use.

The newest Bell Canada scam:

Bell Canada is going to start charging for all calls to 411 Directory
Assistance.  A 75 cent service charge will be applied to your phone bill each
time you dial 411, regardless of whether the Bell Operator provides you with
any information.  The charge applies even if the number is unlisted.  The CRTC
granted Bell Canada permission to change 411's billing.  What a shock.  They
always give them 'permission' to charge and do whatever the hell they want.
Again, Bell relies on deceiving and brainwashing the ignorant, naive zombies
in order to make profit.  Don't fall prey to their scam by dialing 411 from
home and getting billed for a service that *should* be free.  Paying for a
service that's given is one thing.  Paying for receiving no service(s)
whatsoever is entirely another.  Please don't help make Bell richer.  I urge you
not to dial 411 from anywhere, except payphones.  Dial it from payphones as
often as you want.  Misuse it as much as you want, in as many ways as you can
think of.  Just don't pay Bell anything for it.  Don't let them get away with
charging for 411.

Yes, dialing 411 from a payphone is still free.  Amazingly enough, the CRTC
made a token ruling that Bell cannot charge 75 cents for dialing 411 from
payphones.  Of course, that decision could be changed at any time.

Another way to avoid being billed is to use Bell's own web site (www.bell.ca) or
another internet 411 directory search engine.  Even though most people have
probably already heard of this latest Bell money grab, I thought I'd inform our
readers anyway so they wouldn't become a victim of another ripoff telco scam.

Update:  The 75 cent charge for dialing 411 from home is now in effect.

Hopefully this short article has helped educate a few readers by informing
them about some of Bell's greedy money making schemes.  And if you stay alert,
informed and aware of their scams, you won't become their next victim.

Written by THC Phreak ú Damage, INC. (C)opyright 1999.


CROSSED WIRES -                                                     {WIRES}
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DAMAGE, INC. REVIEWS -                                            {REVIEWS}
H/P and Security Web Sites.

Here are a few reviews of quality h/p sites that might interest you.  They're
some of my personal favourites.  Check our Links page for these and other
interesting sites.  It's continually growing and being updated.


Phearios
www.phearios.org

Phearios is operated by fringe and the rest of the crew from Chitown.  It's
been moved from dope.org, so PIMP issues are available at the new phearios.org
site.  Some of you might remember fringe from my interview with him.  And to
the rest, check out his new site anyway.  You'll have to apply for an account,
but it's a quick and easy process.  Once you have a login that's been validated
through Email, you'll be all set to enter and explore his site.  It's still
new and fringe is still working on things, but it looks very promising.  You
can send and receive Email from other users from within Phearios... post
messages in the bases, grab issues of PIMP, etc.  Overall, the site has a really
cool setup.  It's very unique and I think it will be a place with some good
discussions of various topics, including Big Brother, conspiracies and the like.
Basically, it's not just your typical, average h/p site.


9x
www.ninex.com

9x's site has been moved from dope.org as well.  The entire site has a new look
now... but still offers the same variety of 9x releases that people have grown
accustomed to... and expect from Substance and the 9x crew.  Check it often for
new releases, that range from carrier scans, hand scans, to texts on anything
and everything that's h/p related.  They even have some good UK informational
texts.  New texts and scans are released regularly.


Phone Punx Network
http://fly.to/ppn

The Phone Punx Network is an actual network of several sites.  They have their
own zine, which is appropriately named Phone Punx Magazine.  The site also
carries other Phone Punx files, a H/P zine archive, has News, a Guestbook,
Network Links and links to other hacking/phreaking related sites, etc.  Overall,
it's a good phreaking resource.  ;)


Phone Rangers
www.phonerangers.org

The Phone Rangers are a phreaking group out of New Jersey that's well known in
their own local scene.  Their site offers phreaking related articles they've
written, specific NJ info, a mailing list, links, etc.  It has good resources
for U.S. phreaks on the east coast.


El_Jefe's Payphone Directory
www.payphone-directory.org

This is an excellent site for payphone numbers and pictures.  It's the domain
of El_Jefe, and it offers payphone numbers from many NPAs... as well as a
Discussion board, Guestbook, pictures of payphones, COs, payphone sound clips,
a phone recording archive, payphone news, phone related links, etc.  You can
search for payphone numbers, view payphone pics, or discuss payphones and
numbers (such as telco test numbers, etc.) in the discussion board.  It's a
must visit for real phone phreaks.  ;)


United Phone Losers
www.phonelosers.net

Besides running their site, the UPL has taken over the PLA Phone Director0y
and released a new edition this summer.  They also release their own UPL issues
(phreaking texts, social engineering, etc.) and have a message board.  The
site has recently undergone a lot of changes.  Hopefully they'll keep releasing
the UPL/PLA Phone Director0y.  Their new Phone Director0y is also available to
download from www.phonelosers.org (PLA's site).  And if you visit there, make
sure you play some sound clips while using demo computers in local computer
stores, really loud.  ;)


IIRG
www.iirg.org

The International Information Retrieval Guild has been around forever.  The
group's site has issues of Phantasy, IIRG Technical Journals, IIRG CEJ/OCL
Magnitude Archives online.  Their site has pages that explain what the group
is about, its history, etc.  Besides h/p, they're also into Survivalism and
have many excellent texts that educate people in that area.  If you haven't
heard of them, or haven't visited their site for some reason, do yourself a
favour and check it out.  Even if you aren't into hacking and phreaking, go
there and grab Cybertek issues...


Wraith Tech Industries
www.internettrash.com/users/wraithtech

This site is a personal favourite of mine.  Wraith Tech Industries is a group
of hackers and phreaks from various areas... Their site offers a lot of
information and resources.  Goldeneye and the rest of the group are a
knowledgable crew that write articles and work on projects of all types.  I've
been in contact with Goldeneye, and we've discussed collaborating on some
projects in a joint venture in the future.  He definitely has some unique ideas
for devices and things of that nature that I'd like to explore further.

They're also a friendly group of people that get what Damage, INC. is doing,
which is a bonus.  So, make sure you check out their excellent site.  ;)

Written by BLACKENED ú Damage, INC. (C)opyright 1999.


H/P INFORMATION -                                                     {H/P}
An explorer's guide to hacking the planet.

As we enter this new Millennium, one that will no doubt contain advancements
in science and technology that we currently cannot imagine, it's the perfect
time to get back to the basics.  And that's just what I intend to do in this
article.  Some might call it old school.  Others might think of it as low tech.
Regardless of what it's called, or how it's viewed as being, the ideas discussed
in this article are just as relevant and practicle now as they ever were.  In
fact, with the dawning of this new Millennium and the advent of the things that
it'll bring in the decades ahead, the spread of this type of information is more
needed now than ever before.  Hacking, in the truest sense of the word, is
exploring the unknown.  Even in the strictest definition it doesn't necessarily
have to involve computers.  However, these aspects of hacking have often been
neglected by most... and so that's the reason I've decided to outline a few of
the ways that a hacker can explore, and thus "hack the planet".  If it isn't
already obvious what I'm referring to, it'll all become clear to you in the next
few paragraphs.  Be warned though, this type of exploring is dangerous and can
present a serious threat to your life if you're not careful.


The Underground:

Caves, caverns, corridors, bunkers, drains, tunnels, manholes, pipes, subways,
subterrainean rooms, etc. are all examples of the underground world that exists.
Most of the urbanized world's infrastructure is hidden beneath us.  But it's
definitely an interesting, exciting world that a relatively small number of
people will ever choose to enter and explore.  Indeed, it's for the brave,
adventurous few that have the need to go where nobody else goes.  Of hackers,
they're the truely hardcore.  And the places they go are the real underground.
Like urban explorers they walk the depths in search of the strange and unique.
Others simply want access to the infrastructure itself, such as the miles and
miles of telco lines that are buried beneath our cities in a maze of jumbled
wires massed together.  The rest that choose to enter are either maintenance
workers, murderers hiding dead bodies, or zombies that find themselves lost.

In order to explore these places of the underground world, there's certain
equipment, skills and knowledge that you'll require that is crucial to your
survival.  However, since I'm still relatively inexperienced at exploring things
such as storm drains and the like (which can be a very dangerous venture for
newbies to attempt -- especially alone at night), I'll revert to the experts on
the subject of underground exploration and refer you to the excellent text
"Approach:  A Sprawling Manifesto on the Art of Drain Exploring", written by
Predator of the Cave Clan.  It's available to read by visiting either
www.caveclan.org or www.infiltration.org

Basically, I don't feel qualified to hand out advice on equipment, techniques,
avoiding hazzards, precautions, etc. since I still lack the necessary experience
to do so.  The Infiltration site also offers a dictionary that covers some of
the terminology that you'll encounter while reading about this type of
exploring.  It's helpful, and highly recommended that you read the material
and become as informed as possible *before* attempting to do anything that's
mentioned in this, or any other article on the subject.  Being well educated is
so much more important in cases where your very life could depend on if you
know what to do in that situation.  And there are definitely life threatening
situations that a person could find themselves in, if they decide to become
involved in exploring these types of places and don't know what the hell they're
doing.  So, again, make sure you know the risks, are well equipped and are
well informed/knowledgable before you get started.  Chances are nobody else is
going to warn you again, or be there to save your ass once you get into some
serious trouble... so heed the warnings I've given.


Above Ground:

Now that I've covered underground exploration, it's time to go topside for a
tour around the city landscape.  In a large metropolitan/urban area (such as
major cities like New York, London, Chicago, Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver) there
are a vast amount of things to explore, from subway tunnels, manholes, drains,
etc. to above ground structures like buildings and the infrastructure that
supports the actual city.  That's the focus of this section - the places that
aren't hidden beneath the surface, but still have a lot to offer the curious,
intelligent, urban explorer.

In terms of access, many of these places don't have a wealth of security.  Sure,
some buildings are secured more than others and measures have been taken to
ensure that unauthorized people can't enter them easily, or wander through them
unsupervised or undetected.  They use a combination of locks, guards,
surveilance cameras and security systems to prevent access, surveil and protect
their property.  But that's to be expected from Banks and large financial
institutions, etc.  Some cities, like New York for example, have literally
thousands of government and privately owned cameras mounted on the outside of
buildings.  Indeed, Big Brother *is* watching.  But Big Bro still isn't
everywhere, yet.  And the areas where he isn't spying are precisely where I want
to concentrate the focus of this particular section.  Physical security will be
discussed, but not in any great detail.

Public buildings such as libraries, schools (Universities and Colleges), etc.
are a great starting point.  Large buildings, especially older ones, usually
have a variety of areas that are hidden to the public.  They're ripe for
exploration.  In terms of schools, I've found that summer is the best season
to explore them since there aren't as many people around on campus.  You may
encounter the odd janitor or student wandering around, but generally you can
go wherever you want, unobstructed and undisturbed.  And even if you aren't
able to find anything really interesting to explore (like a hidden underground
tunnel, a room, passageway, etc.), at least there are always numerous payphones
to play around with.  They're also a good cover, since if you're ever questioned
by someone about your activities, you can just claim that you were looking for
a payphone to use.  Or make up an equally believable explanation, such as saying
that you're waiting for someone to meet you there.

Other buildings, such as office towers, Bank headquarters, telco Central
Offices, Hospitals, large factories and production company buildings, etc. can
be more difficult to explore without being harrassed by security.  Many of these
require employees and visitors to wear security badges at all times.  They're
also known to have security cameras, and in the case of Banks, security guards.
However, most older Hospitals have lax security and are great places to explore.
Their security usually consists of a guard or two, stationed in or around the
emergency room.  Many telco buildings don't have guards on patrol at all.  They
rely solely on cameras and signs to ward off would be "intruders".  And the
vast majority of telco switching stations have very little security.  Regardless
of that, if one is intelligent, prepared and determined, any building can be
infiltrated successfully.  And sometimes you can walk away with some nice
merchandise that has been generously discarded on or around the premises.  What
some view as trash, others look at as being treasure.  This falls into the
"trashing" category.  Whether you look in trash cans, dumpsters, desk drawers,
shelves, file cabinets, storage bins or any other place in which items may be
for the taking, it's still trashing as far as I'm concerned.  And it's as much
a part of hacking the planet (along with recycling, reusing) as anything else.

During your expeditions you may be required to do certain things in order to
maintain a low profile, avoid being thrown out of a building, or arrested.
It's always best to have a cover story to explain why you're there, have a good
plan, and a backup plan or person to contact if necessary, and sometimes even
a disguise can be helpful in gaining access.  This is all part of social
engineering, which can be an extremely useful talent to have at your disposal.
Read my article on Social Engineering in issue #11 for tips on how to talk
and make up cover stories, etc.

For example, if you're carrying a large stack of documents through the hallway
of a University building during the night, you might look out of place and
a little suspicious to onlookers.  But if those documents are piled in a blue
recycling box, and you're questioned about the contents, you can always say that
you were instructed to carry them out to be recycled.  Just make sure no one
follows you.  An example of using a disguise to enter a restricted area (or a
secured building) would be if you were to borrow and wear a UPS deliveryman
uniform, carry a clipboard and a fake package.  Just make sure it looks
authentic so that if you're questioned you are able to pass as a UPS employee.
If you don't look old enough, or don't have the confidence, don't even attempt
it.  Also, it's always a good idea to let someone that you trust know what
you're doing, and have a set time to contact them if anything goes wrong.
Always plan it out thoroughly first.  Don't try to do any of these things
without being fully prepared and have everything planned ahead of time.
Planning is a very important process, takes time, and should be taken seriously.
It should be done first, well before you enter anywhere, and shouldn't just be
an afterthought.  Scout out the place ahead of time if possible.  Note the
location of cameras, posted guards, their number and try to find out as much as
possible about the building, like the amount of exits and the general floor
plan.  Have a planned route of escape.  If you have to go in cold, be extra
careful and aware of who's around and who is watching.  The best scenario is
one in which you can explore at your leisure when there's nobody else around.

As for the rest, it's up to you where you go and what you do while you're
there.  Everything is at your discretion and you'll have to decide, based
on your own morals and ethics what to do and what not to do.  However, I
will say that I don't advocate destroying and vandalizing property.  Nor do
I encourage anyone to do that.  It's an unnecessary risk and doesn't offer
you any gain.  Other than that, if you're exploring a building that's owned
by a large corporation and want to steal something, that's your choice.  Just
as, if you want to access their systems/networks and use services for free,
take data, documents, or whatever else, that's also your choice.  I won't
discourage anyone from doing that.  I won't discourage anyone from taking
pictures or trophies either.  Whatever you do, just as long as you don't put
the lives of other people at risk (such as Hospital patients, the 911 system or
something along those lines), then I wouldn't deem the actions as going too far.


Personal Experiences:

I've explored many buildings, including ones that are located on major
University campuses, manholes, tunnels, corridors, hidden rooms, halls, several
Hospitals, a morgue, a psychiatric facility, a funeral home, a military camp,
etc. over the years.  Most of the time I wasn't alone on my expeditions.  More
than once I was nearly caught.  A few times I was lucky that I wasn't arrested,
seriously injured or killed.  In almost all cases there was at least one
instance of an adrenaline rush.  I don't regret exploring any of them.  Each was
its own unique experience.  And each chance that I took was worth it in the end.
Sometimes I needed to take a chance just in order to escape.  Sometimes I
wondered what the hell I was doing in certain places.  But risk is part of it.
If you don't take any risks, you can't make any discoveries.  Nothing ventured
is nothing gained in other words.  I won't describe all of my personal
experiences, or the places that I've explored though.  I'll just say that it
was interesting, and I don't think I'll ever quit exploring.

In conclusion, it's all about exploring and going places that you previously
hadn't thought of going before.  It's about gaining access the low tech way.
It's about learning and experiencing things the old fashioned way -- in person
rather than from behind a terminal.  And it's about collecting the trophies
and treasures that are out there, waiting to be had.  Just as importantly, it
is about honing your skills and social engineering the people that are out
there, just waiting to be had.  In the process you'll learn a great deal about
physical security, infrastructure, technology, psychology and what it means to
enter the true underground world and face the unknown.  You'll learn your
lessons the hard way, with only your wits, skills and your adrenaline to aid
you.  But it'll be worth it because in the end you'll have the knowledge and
survival skills to stand on your own.  Plus, you will have the opportunity and
ability to explore the world in a way that only a hacker can.  So go ahead and
hack the planet... from the inside out.

Written by BLACKENED ú Damage, INC. (C)opyright 2000.


INTERVIEWS AND INTERROGATIONS -                                {INTERVIEWS}

In this issue, I decided to do something different by interviewing people
that are actively involved in the Canadian h/p scene.  Since this is the 2nd
anniversary issue of the zine, I felt that it was the perfect time to show our
respect for certain Canadians that are making contributions to the scene.
Featured in the spotlight are exclusive interviews with The Clone and
Lord Narayana.  Each has their own unique interests, ideas and talents.  We
need more people like them to help strengthen and build our scene.  I had
planned to include an interview with Cyborg/ASM (Hack Canada), but due to time
constraints he was unable to do an interview at this time.  However, we hope
to publish an interview with him in a future issue.  At any rate, I hope you
enjoy reading the interviews and make sure you check out their web sites.  ;)


Alias: The Clone
Group(s): Hack Canada, Nettwerked
Age: Between 2 and 99
Country: Canada
Description: I believe I failed this very same question back in Junior-High
             School, grade eight [1994/1995]. Initially the question was:
	     "WHO are YOU? Tell me about YOU!" My answer was: "I'm me. I'm 
	     in junior high. That is all." But I'll try not to be a smart
 	     ass. Come on, it's been five years. Alright here were go;
	     I'm a phreaker as well as a hacker... but I phreak more.
  	     I'm from NPA 780. I started into the "scene" back in 1992.
 	     I'm a mild drinker, a non-smoker, an occational pot smoker,
	     a frequent speed user, shroomer, popper inhaler. I'm a raver,
	     party-kid, club-kid whatever the hell you want to call me.
	     I dislike the AOL children. I dislike the SPAM children.
	     I dislike wannabe ravers, I dislike wannabe "COMPUTER SECURITY
	     PROFESSIONALS" with their "professional" web-sites and their
	     E-Commerce fetish. I dislike the fact that it's "cool" to be
	     into PSN's [Packet Switching Networks]. I dislike the fact that
	     it's cool to run Linux. I have Windows and FreeBSD. 
	     "but cl0ne mah m4n.. h0h0h0h0.... it ain't k3wl to run wind0ws.
	     dOnt j00 kn0w that micr0s0f7 i5 l4me?!!?" Microsoft may be
	     "lame" but I believe that Windows serves its purpose. I also
	     believe that if I learn Windows NT security that I will have
	     a better chance at a good career in the future. Get with the
	     program you stubborn, naive, bitch. FreeBSD; it's been around
	     for longer than Linux has. It has less vulnerabilities 
	     than your conventional Linux flavours, more Universities 
	     use it, FreeBSD is source code compatible with most popular
             commercial Unix systems and thus most applications require few, 
             if any, changes to compile. FreeBSD is based on the 4.4BSD-Lite
             release from Computer Systems Research Group (CSRG) at the
             University of California at Berkeley. It's sexier, and it's not
             as commercial as Linux [ie. Redhat]. There you go. Come 0wn me.
             
Interests:

Most forms of technology, Music, Raves, Raver girls, Web-site design and 
development, FreeBSD, Aix, OpenVMS, X25 Packet Switching Networks, 
phreaking/telephony; Centurian Pay-Phones, Fortress Pay-Phones, Millennium 
Pay-Phones, Elcotel CPC 9520C Smart Phone Pay-Phones, Skanning, Voice Mail 
Box Systems, Poetry, Dj'ing, the occult, and much much more!
  
Music: 

Now this such a general question. *sigh*. Music; I love it. I cannot see
how anyone cannot love music. Music has shaped my character, has made me
feel emotions to their extremes. If one were to ask me "What is the love
of your life?" I would not hesitate to tell them "music". Music to me is
more than a mind altering DRUG, is more than a character shaper, more than
a love. Music is everything. Music is life. Favorite types of music.
Hmm... anything that sounds good? Not specific enough. 
		
		Trance music; because the energy of it makes me feel like
		I'm in heaven with the most powerful drug shot into me.
		[See Artist; Anti-Loop]

		Ambient; beautiful, hauntingly beautiful. The mellowness
		of it. The obscurity of it. Definately one of my favorite
		types of music. [See Artist; Aphex Twin]

		Acid; ACID! Who cannot love this stuff? High pitched bleeps 
		beeps and beats. ;) Hardcore acid is dark and fuckin' cool.
		[See Artists; Chemical Brothers (album; Exit Planet Dust)
		 and Josh Wink.]

		Drum & Bass; Drum and Bass is da shit. One of my favorite
		types of music. Old-school drum and bass kicks ass. One of
		the few underground things in this sick mainstream society.
		[See Artists; Chemical Brothers (album; Dig Your Own Hole),
		 and Aphrodite (The Takeover Bid: Round One). 

		House; Old-school funky house is good. A lot of it is 
		complete and utter chachie/preppy crap. But Astralwerks
		(my favorite record label: www.astralwerks.com) has changed
		that. [See Artists; Daft Punk, Basement Jaxx]
	
Movies:

Trainspotting, Terminator II: Special Edition, Foxfire, Vibrating Vixens,
All Three Angels Delight.

Books:

I don't have time for books. I'm a Lynx user, so I get my daily reading 
wheather I like it or not.

Email:

theclone@code.penguinpowered.com
theclone@edmc.net

IRC:

irc.2600.net
#2600ca

URL(s):

Web-site: Nettwerked - http://nettwerk.hypermart.net
Group Web-site: Hack Canada - http://www.hackcanada.com 


<B> - Introduce yourself to the readers of the Damage, INC. Newsletter...

Hey there folks in computer land *waves*. I am The Clone. From NPA 
[Area Code] 780 located in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. 

You're reading this because you are interested in me. I'm not surprised at
all. A lot of people have become interested in me after I popped out of no
where, shooting out some original and fairly good articles on a new
web-site called 'Nettwerked'. I'm also known for my contributions to 
Hack Canada as well.  

I'm interested in many aspects of the Hacking and Phreaking world.
I've had a lot of fun with telephones because I'm always exploring new and 
exciting systems only available if you find that phone number. Skanning some
prefixes, searching for a challenge.
Exploiting the security on all types of telephone networks is a high for me.
Field Phreaking is great but I can't say I do it often enough. Laziness I 
suppose. 

Computers; there is so much I do with them I don't know where to start.
Web-site design, learning FreeBSD, and playing on OpenVMS boxes is a thrill.
Finding new buffer overflows in Lynx is quite a rush. Inventing new forms
of DoS attacks, packet-switching networks, nua skanning, newsgroups, 
flaming, falling asleep infront of my computer, staring at a computer screen
for 5 hours straight, staying up late talking to amazing people on chat and
IRC, etc. etc. etc.


<B> - How and when was Nettwerked started?  What are the goals and purpose of
it?

Nettwerked was started back in May of 1999. Not too long ago if you read 
this file before the 21st century. :) 

Nettwerked started for one main purpose; to contribute to the somewhat dying
Canadian hacking scene. But not just the Canadian hacking scene, the hacking 
scene in general. Too many posers out there who haven't discovered that 
hacking is more than talking da shit. You have to do projects. You can't
sit there, read a million files and then simply expect to get respect 
because you can memorized them. One must invent, innovate, discover, and 
learn through experience. Not by standing on the side lines learning old 
material. This isn't history class kids.

Nettwerked has already become what I wanted it to be 4 months ago.
I achived success after the first month and a half of its existance.
My goal was to offer a computer hacking/phreaking site for everyone
specifically Canadians and more specifically Albertians. To offer
new files on a regular basis, and lastly to have a local network for
all local hackers/phreakers (hence the name Nettwerked).


<B> - What's your zine, K-1ine about?  How was it started?

-- snipped from K-1ine --

{'K-1ine' is a quarterly zine intended for phreakers, old-skool hackers, 
		and the regular bored housewife 
	looking for some fun while sweety is at work.}

-- snipped from K-1ine --

Why did I start my own zine? To tell you the truth, I wanted to see what
my files would look like on a huge file with some random gibberish 
inbetween. It looked okay.


<B> - Which articles that were published in K-1ine stand out in your mind,
and why?

'An introduction to skanning' where I showed people how cool skanning really
is and why it's worth doing it.

'The AGNPAC system' A local Government Packet Switching Network Wizbone
and I discovered a few years back. Probably one of the coolest systems
I've ever played around on.

'Project: INWATS; 909-0000 | 909-6000 Suffix Skan (i909_60SS)'

The 909-xxxx prefix took me a hell of a long time to skan out by hand.
6000 numbers. One of the larger hand skans on the internet today.


<B> - What types of articles and information can we look forward to reading
in future issues of K-1ine?

Obviously more telephone related material from me, and definately
file contributions from friends. I plan on starting 
'K-1ine III: Y-III-K the winter of 2000' 
in late November and finishing by at least January, 2000. 


<B> - What types of things can be found on http://nettwerk.hypermart.net?

780 Undergr0und Message Board, Two DEFCON picture archives, a growing
E-zines section, a HUGE FILES archive section [all written by me] with 
K-1ine I & II, the krew section for my friends, my affiliates section 
consisting of HNN, Hack Canada, and Damage Incorporated, Links section, 
Lynx Advisories, Nettwerked News, Nettwerked Archived Updates [old 
Nettwerked news], News Archives from Wired, Operating System Advisories
[AIX, FreeBSD, OpenVMS], and lastly Skanning.


<B> - How do you think Nettwerked is viewed by the majority of visitors to
your site?

Positively I'm hoping.


<B> - What do you think of the current h/p scene, and in your opinion how has
it changed since you began?  Also, what's the status of the local h/p scene in
your NPA?

The current h/p scene is growing in many ways thanks to all of the people
who make it an art and not a crime. Since I've began I can't say it's 
changed hugely globally but nationally I can safely say it has. 

In the local scene Nettwerked is helping along side Hack Canada.
Keeping the scene strong. 

Newbies - Keep on learning, trying new things, doing what you love.

K0d3z/script kids - You make it bad for everyone. You annoying shits...
                    stop corrupting the poor little newbies!

Conf whores - Hi whores.

IRC kiddies - Don't you know that pedophiles hang out here. Watch out.
              You'll get cyber ass-raped.


OUR LOCAL SCENE IS THRIVING! THANKS MAINLY TO HACK CANADA AND NETTWERKED.


<B> - What has been your experience with telco employees as a whole?

I once talked to a Telus employee about job opportunities with TELUS.
He told me to go to NAIT and take a Telecommunications course before I
even think about it. Nice guy though.


<B> - How was DefCon?

Visit: http://nettwerk.hypermart.net/files, and read

	D E F C O N  7 . 0

It's a 27 page article all about DEFCON 7 in Las Vegas this summer '99. :)


<B> - Do you read any h/p related zines?  If so, please list a few of the
ones that you read and respect.

Yes!

BlackZine, Catslash Magazine, Damage Inc., and RuSsIaN UnDeRGrOuND CluB
are all my favorite zines. 

I've helped out Dissident Magazine as well I've contributed some skans to
Damage Inc.


<B> - Which h/p groups, if any, do you respect?

Hack Canada - Obviously. Cyb0rg/asm started it last year and it continues 
              to grow.

L0pht - The largest hacker organization in North America. These guys do
        so much for the scene it's unbelievable. Props to L0pht.

Damage Inc. - Damage Incorporated! 416 hackers! Canadian! Excellent zine,
	      kick ass files. Keep it up.

Rhino9 - I know I know they broke up. The best security team on the net.
	 Microsoft better fear the NT WarDoc. ;)

<B> - Which web sites do you usually frequent?

Hack Canada - www.hackcanada.com 
Hacker News - www.hackernews.com
L0pht - www.l0pht.com
Astralwerks - www.astralwerks.com
Attrition - www.attrition.org
Security Focus - www.securityfocus.com
 

<B> - Do you want to share any memorable hacking/phreaking related experiences?


		Joke
		----

Q: When is a cat not a cat? 
A: When it's a dog! 
	
hehehe. =)


<B> - Have you ever been busted?  Or, do you know anyone that's been busted?
If so, would you like to describe the event, the circumstances of the bust
and the conclusion?

Nope, never.


<B> - Do you want to mention any boards that you call or people in the scene
that you know?

Shout outs to:

All the crew in Hack Canada, Damage Incorporated, irc.2600.net: #2600ca,
ravers, the therapy krEw, Mr.T.


<B> - Are there any other interesting things or general comments that you have
and wish to share?

Yeah! I love raver chicks. I seriously do. I scored with a raver chick
this past weekend. I'm so proud! :)


<B> - Thanks for agreeing to be interviewed.  Keep up the good work with
Nettwerked, K-1ine and everything else that you're involved in.  I visit your
site often to check for new releases, updates and news and think that it's
an excellent source of information.  In fact, it's one of my favourite Canadian
sites.  ;)  It's obvious that you put a lot of time and effort into your site.
Thanks again for the articles and numbers you've contributed.  We really
appreciate it man.

Before I conclude this interview, I'd just like to say that I didn't pick
The Clone at random to be interviewed.  We've been corresponding in Email
for several months, discussing various things.  He's a cool, knowledgable
person.  I respect him and his many contributions to the Canadian scene and
look forward to reading future issues of K-1ine.


Alias: Lord Narayana, Bob Narayana, lordn, ln_, lo-rdn, Mark Finnigen, Dr. Egg,
       Caro Kann, ck_, Seylon Freylith and my bot obskeur. I'd bet some of you
       are surprised on the last half.. You shouldn't be, I told everyone who I
       was. These have all been used at some point or another over the past
       couple of years.

Group(s): I am a one man group, but yet I have had many nicks. I could make my
          own group and noone would be any wiser.

Aged: 20somethin'. Fairing fairly ripe, but still too young.

Country: Earth. This world would be so much better if we were to abolish our
         invisible boundaries between us and work together. But, if you must
         know, Canada. Heard of it? I should hope so. Were the largest snow
         exporter of the world.

Description: Alive and well on planet earth. I drink. I smoke. I drive. I do
             drugs. I have a habit of pissing people off. Some people I can't
             beat off with a stick. Everyone is different. Life is different. Be
             different? Be yourself. Should being different be different enough?
             That's the origionality of it all.

Interests: People. People are great. They're fun to watch. Even more fun to
           stalk. They think you're really after them.  Phone them up late at
           night and tell them to stop stalking you. Leave a note on their
           bedroom window. Write letters to yourself, and have them returned to
           their address, with a note saying that it's been refused. Like you
           really give a damn what they do every day. What.. are they crazy?
           Parapsychology. It breaks down into three things. Near death
           hypothesis, ESP, and poltergeist phenominon. Due to popular demand,
           I think I will write some stuff for you, the reader at some point.
           See the Voice Phonominon file in Blackzine 4, if you're interested
           in some new stuff.
           I play guitar. They're great to play with.
           Telephones. As you can tell. I love to talk.
           Social Engineering. As you can tell, since you're reading this, you
           love to hear me talk as well. Some people can't stop hearing me talk.
           That's a good or bad thing, depending on the person.
           Chicks. I don't eat much meat, but chickens are great. So are the
           ones which walk around in tight clothes... and weigh less than 120.
           Chess. I love games. I love playing games.
           Axis and Allies rule. I'm not a D&Der. Got out of that whole scene
           years ago. It was fairly easy since I was never really into it.
           Religion. I love God. I hope God feels the same. I love to hear about
           other religions. I love to hear about other gods. I think that
           there's a lot of young promising satanists listening to slayer and
           thinking that I'm a nut, you kids are lost and not really into
           anything. I think there's also too many people out there who argue
           for the sake of arguing. Lastly, I think there's not enough people
           who don't think.
           Occult sciences. No, I don't play with chemicals anymore. It's scary
           shit, and were all in deep, so let's get to a shallow end where we
           can figure out what the fuck is going on. Maybe then, we can see what
           the shit is all about.
           Acid (that's lsd25, not the user). And lots of it. I like uppers in
           general.
           Lots of other shit people throw at me which i have to get interested
           in. By fear, force, choice, or I couldn't duck fast enough, it's a
           big part of what people like me do.
           Get fucking involved. That's right.. I like sex. No.. lemme rephrase
           that. Get involved.
           
           Getting involved is one of the best things you'll find yourself
           doing.
           
Music:  Music. I hate people who hate music. That's right. I discriminate. I'm
        not big on country either. I live in a cowtown. Not too many cowboys
        these days. Think they all went to Cochrane or Medicine Hat. I like all
        other sorts of music. Most stuff I am into, with the exception of a good
        portion of Country. Fairly big on some Jazz. Names like Stan Getz & John
        Zorn. Classic Rock. There's too much to list. A Classic response. But
        it's rock solid. Generally stuff from 65 onwards. Trip Hop, Hard Trance
        Goa and Gabber. Gabber? There's that talking thing again. Check out some
        Baby Doc or Jon the Dentist. Hardcore rules. So does Squarepusher, but
        he's something else.

Movies: Blair Witch Project, 1984, gotta be a Stanley Kubrick fan, Clerks,
        Saving Private Ryan (the best war movie I have seen), the Usual
        Suspects, and of course there's more..

Books: Cookoo's Egg, Audrey Rose, The Crack in the Cosmic Egg, the Seth Books,
       Anything from U.S. Anderson, Edgar Cayce, not too much in the novel
       realm.
      
Email: lordn@disinfo.net

IRC: Not much these days. Undernet and efnet servers. Your best chances are
     probably on irc.2600.net #2600ca  Need I tell you my nick?

URL(s): http://poz.8m.com


<B> - Introduce yourself to the readers of the Damage, INC. Newsletter...

<LN> - I suppose you could say that I have been around computers for some time.
PC's, however, I haven't been around all that long. I had an atarii 2600 at one
point, used a commie 64 and 128 until the mid 90's. But they weren't of much use
other than for games.. My folks bought me a 486dx2 66mHz back around the end of
95 and against their wishes for fear that they would have an enormous phone
bill, I started calling BBSes. <gasp> Holy shit.. I can see the leetists
applauding me already. I suppose that this would have been my first hands on
experience of "hacking", in the sense that there was no guidance, no internet,
no outside assistance in even setting up my modem or any terminal program. Also,
this was running at 14.4. The so called scene was brought out very fast,
compared to most people out there. I'll skip a boring month or two and get to
how I got in.

Shortly after this new venture of mine, several other bbses later and many
sleepless nights on the local chat bbses, someone had passed me a number to what
he told me was a "pirate bbs", which had all sorts of registered games. He also
told me that I was not to give the BBS number out to anyone, because it wasn't
for lamers like most other kids around - and - because it was illegal.

Since I wasn't born with a computer up my ass and had only experienced the local
PD (public domain) BBS scene for less than a few months, that number sat there
on my desk for quite some time before I built enough courage to call it.. Some
people say that I am paranoid, I guess it's possible. I suppose it was possible
that I was paranoid back then too. After all, why would someone give something
illegal like this out?? Was he a cop? Was he bullshitting? What the hell was
going on here and why would people support pirating??!? Also, why would he
choose me to call this BBS? I didn't have anything to offer.

Or so I thought at the time. 

[For you kids who've never been on a BBS, there was the public, and the more
private  "scene." Not everyone could get into the private scene. Figured I'd get
a question at some point on this..]

At any rate, when I did get voted into the bbs (which wasn't hard because just
about anyone who applied was allowed on), the first thing I did was download the
BBS list. There were a couple I had applied to, which was my introduction to the
scene. For anyone local to me who remembers a BBS from ages ago, this was Much
to Much James, more commonly known as MTMJ. At 10+ years, it was also one of the
longest surviving BBSes in Calgary, if I recall correctly. It had both an active
file base, as well as an active user and message base. Two other BBS names come
to mind, out of all the rest. Club Penumbra, and the Ides of March (IOM). There
were others which came and died.. This was mostly the case.

Club Penumbra, I don't recall much about, except that in messages elsewhere
people were discussing how difficult it was to get on there, which confused the
hell outta me.  Ides of March (IOM) was the first serious and real warez bbs,
and probably the last serious effort I have ever seen for quite some time. It
eventually reduced itself to a 6 node ringdown, but it had intense files and
messages.. Several gigs of space, and a pile of CD's online, which a few years
ago, was pretty amazing. People would call long distance to upload 30 megs of
warez at 14400. Must be worth something, eh? What made the board, however, was
not the equipment, phone lines, or files, but that the users were all active in
whatever hobby they were into.

Some new ideas came from it. It had a sister board and it's own message network.
One of the interesting products of it was another private board run on OBV/2 for
it's HP section. What makes this interesting, was that IOM was run on PCBoard, a
totally different software. So you had two different softwares working in
conjunction with each other. When you wanted to move from the files section,
you'd go into the doorway to OBV/2 for the HP section.

A lot of people I meet on the internet through IRC or other means, possibly
either you, the reader, or even other readers are completely unfamiliar with
BBSes of any sort. I shall elaborate as to why the entire thing was so cool, and
things moved a lot faster. This was our internet. It had it's own rules, users,
all separate from each other, and best of all there was it's own security, which
most of the time was nil. If you wanted to hack a BBS, there were no exploits,
or codes, and generally, virtually nobody you could ask for help. Eliteness ran
in it's own forms, some considered it to be how many ANSI's or ASCII's you have
done, or how many artpacks you had released, or what groups you were in. Each
BBS was separate from each other, there were no channel ops and no rules other
than the ones the Sysop listed for you, which most poeple ignored anyways.

At any rate, the scene was very much different than the way it is now. You
needed more skill then, than you do now. Skill in the sense that people had to
be familiar with phones, computers, carding and a variety of other things in
order to prove their worth. You see, if you would just start hacking off you own
phone line, then you would get caught and probably never have anything to do
with computers in general again. If you had applied to a BBS, and used your real
phone number for it to verify you because you didn't know how to hack it, then
your info would probably be passed out if you pissed off the wrong people. You
could still get default accounts when you wardialed, including switches. So
things were very much different in the sense that people generally had skills in
all directions, not just one.

So the whole hp bit was still fairly new to me, as well as my own dos box. I
leeched all the hacking files and all the rest, and periodically went over
them..I had the games, access and files for free, and played with people's
phones and phone lines. This was the easiest thing for me, because I could read
files and take something apart. Hacking wasn't my thing in general because I
didn't know my own computer very well. Although eventually I would pull out a
DOS 6.2 book and read it, the extent of my hacking career at the time was
nothing more than scanning phone numbers like mad, and occasionally playing
around on a dialup or voice system of some sort, as well as a couple of other
things I had listed in Blackzine.

There were a couple of times I had tried to organize things amongst the locals.
My first effort was to get everyone using Toneloc and get "Scan '96" going. The
purpose for this was to break the entire city up into sections, and we were all
going to scan the city within a couple of months. Of course, nothing became of
this. A lot of people are all talk. When it came down to actually scanning, what
surprised me was that most people used the reason of that they were afraid of
being busted to avoid the task! All for calling phone numbers! In my entire
life, I have never had a problem with anyone or from anyone, from scanning.

It was around this time that I created the first issue of Blackzine. It wasn't
much more than a list to go into the Toneloc blacklisted numbers section so that
you wouldn't end up calling avoidable numbers and get into trouble. It didn't
start out as Blackzine, but rather as the Blacklist List. I revised the first
issue and cleaned it up a lot for the second issue, organizing it into sections
for easier use. The biggest flaw with the first file was that it was too big for
some people's buffers in Toneloc, so it couldn't be used. The second allowed
people to cut prefixes out and stick them in the Toneloc blacklisted numbers
section in the configuration. Then for the third, I had compiled some
information for people so you would have an idea of what the hell was going on
half the time. This included some defaults, info's on numbers, tekneeqs etc.. so
that at least before you got busted you would mabye know what it was you were
dicking around with.

Ironically, with regards to being busted, the Blackzine (or Blacklist) idea came
from some security guy who answered the phone when I was scanning late at night,
and said but one word.. I had dialed some number with Toneloc, and the voice
which picked up and answered merely said, "Security". If anything else, I
figured I should stop scanning and see what was really out there, and how I
could cover my ass. Essentially, the word security would start a security mag.

The white pages (phone book is a phreaks best friend) provided me with all the
numbers in the origional blackzine. I threw in the Blue pages, all the
government and RCMP numbers I could find, as well as any emergency, military,
police and whatever else I could find that I figured would be undesirable to
call at odd hours of the day. I also threw in a bunch of sceners phone numbers..
It was amazing how people would be so secretive with their info, hack a call
back verifier so that the BBS doesn't have their phone number, and yet give it
out to some guy who wanted to throw it in a Toneloc blacklist so that they
wouldn't be called at odd hours of the day. Go figure.

And thus, today you have the first issue of Blackzine.

There is one individual with whom if he did not give me a bit of a purpose in
the telephony world, I would have probably not continued with anything. He was
some kid who phone me up out of the blue at about 10 or 11 one night and asked
if I was into phones.. Turned out he was some phreak from Toronto who had
someone pass out my info to him on IRC. I wouldn't go as far as saying that he
would have taught me everything I know, that came with experience. But he got me
into doing more doing, opposed to doing more talking. I may have mentioned a kid
by the name of Dismaster a few years back, in greets and stuff... Mabye a couple
of you people know him under the nick of Dismaster..

Mabye this is why I have always preached for people to try out what they read in
text files, instead of talking about the files they read. I hope I have tried to
put a demonstration of that in my zine and at least made it easy to follow so
others who find similar material could find Blackzine useful.

<B> - How and when was Phones of Zen started?  What are the goals and purpose
of the group?

<LN> - Phones of Zen, I should have clairifed a long time ago, was never much of a 
group. I had tried at some point and did have a members list, but that member
list has been taken off long ago. It died because of a lack of direction and
interest in it's supposed members as well as a lack of participation. Also, a
lack of leadership and purpose on my part. I believe one of the reasons for this
is because I wanted to do what a lot of other groups try to do: do everything.

When you have members who are supposed to be working on either a variety of
things, or on different things, then it loses the purpose of a group. It would
seem that an effective way to kill off contributing factors of a group is to not
have a set goal, purpose or direction.

Phones of Zen started from the ackronym POZ, which was used a long time ago in
the local scene when I used the tagline of "Power of Zed Prodoktions" on a
couple of projects. Nobody liked the "Power of Zed" name, so I came up with
something more suitable to my alias, "Phones of Zen". There were some other
names which had come to mind. PiSS, or "Phones is Sexy Shit" was another..
Phones of Zen seemed more acceptable. Here's another fine example of public
democracy.

The Phones of Zen site origionally had no other purpose than to get a permanent
spot where people could download blackzine from. I tried some things with it.
Adding a phone section, a links section, a bit of java for some news and codes,
as well as files became a bit much to update on a regular basis. Plus, it was
taking away from the general purpose of the site, which was to host my zine. I
suppose one other thing did go over fairly well on it, which was the personals
section. It was setup so that people could list their info and find other people
within their area. I figured something like that was needed because I got a
little tired of seeing various people looking around for people in their own
area.

I guess that sort of takes me to the present, where people ask me to do
Blackzine in html, because windows can't read or open bkz extensions. Or they
claim that the file is corrupted because that happens. Like, duh. Use fucking
notepad, or wordpad. Have people ever changed over a couple of years. I guess
that's what happens when you have a webpage. Gotta wonder what it's like for
the kids who get more hits that I do.

<B> - What's Blackzine about?  Why did you decide to create a zine?

<LN> - Blackzine started out from around the time some people from the local
scene were willing to scan the entire city. The project (Scan '96) never took
off because people were too chicken shit, because they figured that they would
get arrested for wardialing. I guess the one event which motivated me into
producing such a list was my own wardialing experience.

I had been lying there in bed one night listening to my computer wardial. One
number I had called was answered by someone wiht an authoritative voice, which
said nothing but "Security" and some other intelligible rubbish.. Although the
only thing I caught from that was the word "security" it did make me realize
that I had no fucking clue of both what was out there and what I could possibly
call. When I flipped through the white pages I came accross the blue pages,
which was a government directory. It had the police and RCMP in neighbouring
towns, tax centers,  mla's, etc.. stuff which generally shouldn't be phoned in
the first place.

The second issue had a bit more in terms of numbers and organization. The third
edition came out with an ascii from a local artist, Shamen, and all sorts of
other information in a hope to get people active. I also wanted to explain what
it was that people would find when they were scanning.

Due to incidences beyond my control, I found myself without a computer for
several months. In that time, I was provided with the opportunity to practice
some of the files I had previously read. I suppose that's what got me into basic
Telephony in the first place.

<B> - Which articles that were published in Blackzine stand out in your mind,
and why?

<LN> - I think the ackronyms file was the most tedious. I had to arrange and add
in a pile of ackronyms and provide a description.. No big deal, but it took a
while to do. That and the first issue of Blackzine. It's was boring as hell
entering in phone number after phone number.. Blackzine 7 has recently come out.
I think I have the largest compilation of manually scanned (skanned) phone
numbers in the WATS! section as well. I try and be origional with all the files
in there, so to an extent they all have their own little history.

<B> - What types of articles and information can we look forward to reading
in future issues of Blackzine?

<LN> - Just about anything at this point, except unix. Everyone does unix, or
something similar. I'd hope to provide more telephony related topics, mabye a
bit on x25. It started out as oldschool, and it'll probably continue on as
oldschool. I would expect that with everything would come logs, which is a big
difference from most zines out there. Over all, I think I've done an okay job
up to this point. Probably a lot of the same stuff you would come to expect. No,
Probably better.

In issue 4, I did something on recording voice phenominon. Oddly enough, I've
had a couple of people recently ask for more files like that. Read the issue to
see what it's about. However, I may include some of my own material in future
zines. Either that, or start up something a little separate from the zine and
throw it on the site as well.

Yet, although I want to deviate from the idea of the zine a bit, it still seems
that a lot of people out there have forgotten their roots, or where things
started out from. I was thinking of releasing a file at some point, and if I can
find a host for it, which would be about 50 megs of a hard drive. It would
provide enough information, which most of would be useless anyways, but it would
give a chance for people to see how things used to be, and what people had to
do for their hacks.

I've also considered making my own hackers style movie, except it would be more
realistic. No fancy colors, fonts, or clothes.. No chicks. Just something along
"a day in the life of a hacker", and carry a camera on certain events. Trashing,
do some activities, letting toneloc scan for a few hours. But like everything,
this will probably take a while. Hell, have shots of someone getting drunk or
having a smoke.

With regards to the files in blackzine, I have done my best to keep everything
fairly origional. Too many people have a beige box file. Everyone and their dog
does unix.. If I cover that shit, then I'm not different from anyone else. This
is why I include logs periodically, and probably why my issues take so long.
It's not necessairily a matter of that I have nothing to write, it's just that
these topics have to be found. Mabye I'm too hardcore on the oldschool.

I've also considered, due to the lack of stuff I have been producing lately,
just to stop the whole zine thing, and release articles as I do them for a
while. If by popular demand, this is what people want then I'll do that instead.

<B> - What types of things can be found on http://poz.8m.com?

<LN> - A section on the local Calgary 2600 meeting, all the Blackzine issues.
The personals section is a listing of people by province and country for anyone
who wants find others within the area. Its open to anyone and if you want on
there, all you have to do is provide me with what information you want to be
made available. Best of all, it's free. I'm probably going to have a news or
some sort of update section which I'll have to update periodically. Too many
people ask for it to be updated.

<B> - How do you think Phones of Zen is viewed by the majority of visitors to
your site?

Seems as though the only gripe from people is that it isn't updated all that
often. I've played around with several various ideas during it's existance. I
did a bit of Java for a K-Kodez section, which I didn't care to update on a
regular basis. There was a news section, and a pile of files a while back.
Thing is, is that anyone searching for these files would find them elsewhere.
It took away from the origionality of it all. It's a place to hold Blackzine.
It's also the official page for the Calgary 2600 meets.

In retrospect to all that, I couldn't really care what most people think of the
page. I'm not expecting people to stay there for long. I guess you could compare
my page to sex. You go there, get in, get what you want and get out. My site
doesn't sound too bad when you compare it to sex now, does it?

I recently redid it. Took a lot of crap off. Links were the first to go.
Everything else went next. I want to keep it a simple site. For blackzine, I
have a couple of other things on there. That's fine. But it's got enough as it
is.

<B> - What do you think of the current h/p scene, and in your opinion how has
it changed since you began?  Also, what's the status of the local h/p scene in
your NPA?

<LN> - It's not the same as it used to be. Oh well. Times change, people change.
I change, you change, we all live for a high amount of change or else get stuck
in some small shallow shell and end up rotting in the middle of nowhere.

You gotta live with it and move with it or else the people you think are stupid
will soon leave you in the dust and think you're stupid. There's not all that
much in terms of active people out there within 403. Lots of old inactives. 

But generally, for the security market and scene, there is quite a bit. SNI,
now securityfocus, is based out of Calgary, for instance. They would proably 
be the most familiar to you all. 

One might take it as though all the illegals are going legal, and working for
"the man", or, "the company" and I suppose it really is that way. I dunno. I 
know some of them. It doesn't feel any different. What happens is that a lot 
of people either smarten up or grow up, and figure they're better off making 
money at doing what they do.

<B> - What has been your experience with telco employees as a whole?

<LN> - Generally I have found most of the 0 and 411 crew to not be too bright.

Aside from that, most of them are a very amiable people.. Tim from PNOC who was
up for racing down the high way and through half of downtown.. Only after
when we stopped next to the Telco building did he tell me he worked there. The 
time I was trashing at a CO and a truck pulled in. I asked if I could take some
of the crap the had by their garbage, and he said it was okay. Mike at the Bell 
800 directory knew me by name. Friendly guy.. Most of the others were complete 
assholes, and I'd let them know.

Same thing even with a lot of the security to an extent, except if security does 
care about something, they get mad. It's fun to race them, and just harrass them
in general if you get on their bad side right away. Nobody takes them seriously 
except themselves. Some are stupid, some are lax. Just don't get caught by the 
wrong security I guess and you're in the clear.

Seems like some Nortel people have issues though. I remember going to one
gathering about two years ago, and ended up listening to these people discuss
the new "call forwarding" feature and how impressed they were with it.. One of
them had the balls to tell everyone about the front part of the white pages. Now
all our secrets are out. Damn.

I think that it's rather shitty that so many kids out there are blinded by the
"down with the Telco" or "Kill all Telco employees" or something equivocally
stupid and ignorant. Wonder if it comes from a lot of the previous PLA shit
which came out ages ago. Sure sure.. the telco does provide jobs for lots of
people, but more than that, it's giving you a hobby. Something to do. If it
wasn't for the Telco, lots of you kids would have no fucking life at all.
You'd have no computer as well. So they do their part. They're people too.
Support fone fraud - give people a job. Do fone fraud - give yourself a life.
This life, may one day be your job. It's all about loving what you do.

<B> - Do you read any h/p related zines?  If so, please list a few of the
ones that you read and respect.

<LN> - I have never been much of a zine reader.. I used to be at some point, and
then I figured that I didn't really need what a lot of them had to either share
or offer. Some of the many reasons for this was that the origionality of them
was lacking. You can only read so many different ways to build a beige box, or 
reworded files which you've seen elsewhere. The Jolly Roger files are very 
characteristic of this - something I find very sickening. Bastards who revamp or
use everyone elses files because they are too stupid to come up with their own
should be shot. A big problem with many people is that they don't know how to
write, or when they write, it's not entertaining whatsoever and they may as well
save webspace for wherever it is that they stick their crap and not release it.

Zines were something I would turn to only when I needed some information, was
really bored, had nothing better to do, or wanted to get out of my boring state 
and do something. I suppose, mostly ou of boredom.. Things come out of that
boredom when you put to life some of the things you read about. It's kinda cool.
Some of you kids should try doing what you read and write about sometime. The
old phrack were good for this, as well as a fun read. Overall, the early Phrack,
Time For a Change (TFC), and some PLA issues come to mind. There's plenty of
zines out there. Seems like everyone has their own two cents to say. Some, had
their full dollar's worth. Recently though, some of the few things I have read
from front to end are your zine and The Clone's Nettwerked, so that's worth
something I would imagine. But overall, I turn to my own zine more often than
anyone else's. It is to some extent a pile of information which I have found
useful at some point or another. So if it's useful to the writer, I would hope
it's at least useful to other people out there as well.

<B> - Which h/p groups, if any, do you respect?

<LN> - Not too many out there that I can say positive things about. If there was
one group that I could give shout outs to, it would have to be hack canada.
Seems like their site is more telephone related, so it should probably be phreak
canada, but Cyborg/ASM has obivously put quite some time, effort and research
into what he does. It's probably the main site for files and information
regarding Telus bashing, but I'm sure it's got more of a purpose than that. Go
check it out sometime. I don't consider it much of a group, now that Molly's
left, or should I say that Cyb's left.. Seems more appropriate to consider it as
an organization, because the material put out and setup in it's nature are of a
much better quality than most groups out there. It's also a bit more oganized
it seems. Others which come to mind would be MMX's PLA in NY, but that's dead
now.. The old Zencor crew when it was around had a lot of good moments.

<B> - Which web sites do you usually frequent?

<LN> - There aren't that many. I'm not an avid HNN'er. I put a good portion of 
them on my website in the links section. But they were taken down recently. At 
some point, I'll organize my bookmarks and put them on POZ. You want to see what
I use? It'll all be in there.. just visit my website and remind me occaionally.

<B> - Do you want to share any memorable hacking/phreaking related experiences?

<LN> - I suppose that everything in itself is an experience. A hobby of mine for
the past few years has been trashing, which has brought me some of the funniest
experiences in the scene. It also supported me for a little while. Lots of
people have never gone, don't know about it, or just couldn't care about it.
Even if your trashing night sucks, which it probably will, you usually come
across something which makes it all worthwhile at least once in every ten or
twenty runs. I'll share with you some hauls I have had in previous years:

A Mitel 100 Superswitch, which was sold for about $250. Three people could
barely lift this SOB into my van.
70 Greyscale Monitors, 20 Keyboards, 20 Desktop 286's. Over a weekend I made
over $500, and I still have lots of shit left over.
A Hitachi Color 21" Sun monitor.. These things are expensive and very fucking
heavy.
3 Huge boxes of floppy disks, of all kinds. Weighs about 80 pounds. 
DEC's default password list for some building.. about 500 pages of new accounts.
Default passwords were farmer, hello1 and password.

OF course, there other stuff you run into. Businesses have techie people who
pass messages to each other, and inevitably end up in the garbage. Sometimes
it's in bulk.. I've laughed at a lot of it. Stuff like the following should
indicate that you may be able to get a job at the place where these people work.

Meets are usually fun.. We used to have anywhere from 30-60 people who would
show at 2600 on a regular basis. (However, the local scene was still dead).
There are plenty of experiences and things which happen.

Of course there's the occasional conf or two, but only a couple actually were
worth the phone call. The "talk to a hacker and phreaker party lines", when they
were aired on the radio with Zencor were a blast. Of course, if none of it was
fun, why would anyone do it?

<B> - Have you ever been busted?  Or, do you know anyone that's been busted?
If so, would you like to describe the event, the circumstances of the bust
and the conclusion?  

I have no criminal record at this point. However, I have come very close on
several occasions, and on at least one occasion have had the luxury of the back
of a squad car for related.. It's not fun stuff. And yes, I've known several
people who have been arraigned and "busted".

It's funny how a lot of kids out there have no fear of being arrested, or
raided, or even having to deal with the possibility. Either that, or that's
their claim. All too often I see it being shrugged off by some fuckhead here
and there, thinking that the Young Offenders Act will protect them, or some
other law. Thing is, is that it's not such a joke anymore when you do get put in
that situation. The "no fear" attitude brings on a lot of the stupidity people
complain about in the scene. It's not necessairily the naivete which brings that
about, but bold stupidity and a lack of fear of being caught. Of course, anyone
who's smart will never get caught, and, were all smart and never slip up or
do anything stupid, right?

Such people are the kind of people who will get others caught, and take everyone
they can down with them. When you hit that golden age of 18, things change
pretty fast. The whole thing pretty much sucks. See how fast a fresh ass like
yours gets caught in prison. Mabye we should all move to Norway so that we can
do as we please.

<B> - Do you want to mention any boards that you call or people in the scene
that you know?

<LN> - I think there are various people whom I may as well give shout outs to..
Some made a difference in what I was doing and where I was headed. Some I was
active with, and others are just people who have been around, which well, had
it's moments I guess. Some are local, some aren't. If there were some people to
give shout outs to they would be Drule Tesseract, Pink Torpedo, Art3mis,
Kweiheri, Dismaster (blotch) and the Zencor clan.

As for people I know, I'm not big on the whole IRC crap, but there are some
people who have come a long way since I've known them. The Clone is one.. He
should be commended for what he has going for him now, compared to what he was
doing before. Ironically, I got an email at the time of this writing from him,
saying he can't believe how far he's come since the TW days.. I can't beleive it
either.. I think he's lying and full of shit. You'd better go to his webpage and
see for yourself. heh. Good too see some people get out of the lame phase other
people are eternally stuck in.

And general respects for other reasons should probably go out to Question,
Emerson, Phone Phantom and Phrog.

<B> - Are there any other interesting things or general comments that you have
and wish to share?

Sex, drugs, rock and roll?

Do drugs.

Who needs sex when you've got drugs? Rock and roll isn't the same shit as it
used to be. Now it's all this alternative crap which sells like a dime hooker
on the fifty dollar stroll. When you're on drugs, you can make music in your
head. 

It's been said that the worlds best minds were on drugs when they came up with
their theories, ideas, concepts, or whatever it is that they did.. Einstein,
some people claim, did lots of acid. I suppose that's a good point. After an
intense night of tripping like that, when I haven't had a haircut in close to
a year, is what I look like too. Without the wrinkles.

So, the next time someone asks.. "are you on crack?" it might be an intelligent
response, to say, "why yes.. yes, in fact, I am" and perhaps offer it too them.


<B> - Thanks for agreeing to be interviewed Lord Narayana.  As you know, I
respect Phones of Zen and am a faithful reader of Blackzine.  Thanks again for
your contributions to the Damage, INC. Phreaky Field Phreaking List.  Keep up
the good work man... and stay in touch.

Before I conclude this interview, I just want to say that Lord Naryana has
many good ideas, such as the Personals section on his web site... sections
in Blackzine, as well as ones that we've discussed in Email.  He's doing an
admirable job of trying to keep people in the Canadian h/p scene connected,
and informed.  He should be commended for that.


NEWS FROM THE TRENCHES -                                             {NEWS}

The Damage, INC. Phreaky Field Phreaking List (Fall 1999 Edition) was released
on November 7th, 1999.  Visit the web site to obtain a copy.  If you'd like to
contribute numbers (ANIs, CNAs, Ringbacks, 1-800/877/888s for telcos, Fax-Backs,
test numbers, conference services, numbers taken directly from your local yellow
pages directory, or anything else of interest) then contact us by sending Email
to damage_inc@disinfo.net and we'll make sure your alias is listed.

Stay informed by joining the Damage, INC. mailing list.  By joining the list
you're assured to receive the latest news, updates and release announcements
faster than anyone else.  ;)

Black Hole Cafe at (773) 404-1352 is the new Damage, INC. U.S. HQ.  Also,
zero network, founded by Jack Phlash and Marlon Brando, is the official network
of Damage, INC.  If you run a h/p oriented board and would like to apply to
become a node, visit http://surf.to/damage_inc and download the latest
information pack.

Damage Incorporated is now one of Nettwerked's official affiliates.  The Clone
recently notified me personally in Email.  He complimented the group and also
recognized the fact that for the past 7 years we've been contributing to the
Canadian hacking/phreaking scene.  We appreciate the recognition and gladly
accept the honour of being an Nettwerked affiliate.  More than anything else,
it feels good to see other people/groups recognizing the work we're doing, and
witness the birth of cooperation amongst the Canadian groups in the scene.  Not
only am I proud of what Damage, INC. has done thus far, but I'm very proud of
the other active, quality groups and people in Canada, and what they're doing
for the scene.  I hope that we can continue to share knowledge and work towards
improving the spread of information... and look forward to working with groups
and people outside of Damage, INC. in the future.

Damage, INC. is still seeking pictures of payphones, especially ones that are
uncommon and unique.  Since we can't go everywhere and take the payphone pics
ourselves, this project requires contributions from people in different areas.
We've been adding Bell Canada pictures to our collection on the site, but still
want payphone pics from the United States and other countries.

Fox (a U.S. television network) has a new game show called Greed.  It promotes
greed, infighting amongst the players, bribery and the notion that the almighty
dollar is more important than anything else, including possibly the lives of the
show's contestants.  Meaning, some people that get eliminated (or as they say,
terminated) might be a tad bitter and end up killing the person that challenged
them after the show is over.  But perhaps that's exactly what Fox has in mind.
They can then appear on either Cops or America's Most Wanted... both of which
are on Fox.  But regardless of that, the show is definitely geared towards a
target audience of zombies and greed mongers.  Call their 1-900 number if you
want to get ripped off and put more money into the Fox coffers.  I thought I'd
seen and heard it all, until I watched the first Greed show and heard "Tower of
Greed", "Greed Team" and witnessed the show's host (Chucky) trying to bribe the
greedy captain.  It's not even funny.  It's just another example of zombie
culture, and a "society" that's driven by greed.

The mass media is now starting to jump on the Waco coverup bandwagon.  All of
a sudden, 6 years later, it's a story again.  Well, it's too late.  Damage, INC.
beat them to the punch... yet again.  They fucked up in 1993 by not using their
vast resources to investigate what caused the fire and what really happened.
The media left the vicinity shortly after the compound was in ashes and soon
after dropped their coverage entirely.  They simply took law enforcement
agencies and the government at their word, which is not investigative reporting.
It's ridiculous and incompetent.  It is inexcusable.  To CNN, Dateline NBC, etc.
'reporters':  Try *investigating* and *reporting* for once instead of asking
extremely obvious questions 6 years later, and doubting that a coverup exists.
For once, I'd like to see the mass media investigate and report their findings
to the public before a coverup is so well known that it's common knowledge.

Anyway, thanks go to Blackie Lawless for his Waco article in the last issue.
Not only was it an informative reminder of what happened, but it was a wake-up
call.  What amazes me isn't the despicable conduct of the baby killing FBI, but
the fact that most Americans don't seem to give a fuck about what happened.  Nor
do they stop and think that it could happen to them and the people they know.

Never forget Waco.  Never forget Ruby Ridge.  Never forget the brutality, the
coverup and the carnage... lest we allow