F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 21 21 May 2001 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are | | | FidoNet community. | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings| | |Copyright through 2007| | San Francisco, California, USA | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Crash Netmail Attach Articles To: | | |Fidonet / / \ | Editor@1:1/23 (1-972-562-8064) | | | Lives!( /|oo \ | Frank Vest@1:124/6308 | | \_______\(_| /_) | or | | _`@/_ \ _ | flv@texoma.net | | | | \ \\ | | | | (*) | \ ))| Editor: Frank Vest | | |__U__| / \// | | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | /Editor\ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | |(________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Copyright 2001 by Frank L. Vest, Editor for Fidonews Globally. Table of Contents 1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1 2. HEADLINE NEWS ............................................ 2 Zone6 on the come back trail! ............................ 2 Zone 2, Region 53 is Alive! .............................. 3 3. TOP STORIES .............................................. 4 Zone6-managing finally ................................... 4 4. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 6 FidoNet and Peer to Peer (P2P) - State-of-the-art ........ 6 5. EDITORIAL ................................................ 8 Time is a circle ......................................... 8 6. QUESTION OF THE WEEK ..................................... 9 What is Fidonet to you? .................................. 9 7. INTERVIEWS ............................................... 10 Interview with Charles Cruden of Internet Rex ............ 10 8. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 12 Dear Editor! ............................................. 12 9. EDITOR'S CORNER .......................................... 13 Just a few thanks ........................................ 13 10. FIDONET NOTICES ......................................... 15 Please Check ............................................. 15 11. HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN .................................... 16 Irreverent look at Fidonet Coordinators .................. 16 12. COMIX IN ASCII .......................................... 18 Key into Fidonet ......................................... 18 13. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ..................................... 19 How it really happened! :-) .............................. 19 14. FIDONET BY INTERNET ..................................... 20 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 20 Fidonet Via Internet Hubs ................................ 21 15. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 25 How to Submit an Article ................................. 25 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 26 FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 1 21 May 2001 ================================================================= FOOD FOR THOUGHT ================================================================= If you find yourself in a hole the first thing to do is stop diggin'. - Texas Bix Bender ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 2 21 May 2001 ================================================================= HEADLINE NEWS ================================================================= Zone6 on the come back trail! By Barry Blackford with permission of the new Z6C. Congratulations Bin Li on becoming the newest ZC in Fidonet! For anyone who is interested, Zone6 has been struggling to survive against all the odds, brought about mainly because of a hopeless Z6C who just faded away making occasional promises of fixing routing and zonewide echomail etc etc etc, all the while doing absolutely nothing - including no nodediff for more than a year and a half so you see the problem? It has taken a huge effort to get the various countries involved in Zone6 talking and working towards a mutual goal a new Z6C. This was not aided by the fact that so many languages were involved, that English became the most common to all parties!! yet English was not the first language of any of the counties in Zone6! No actual election was held as all possible candidates except Bin Li were unavailable to perform the duties in full for various reasons, Bin Li resides in Shanghi China, he will be assisted by a management team of Anatoli Tung (Kazakstan and Vietnam - alternates between two locations), Lawrence Fan (Shanghi) and myself (don't ask!). The next task is to re-organise the regions (many RC's are missing) so this is all going to take time and we do not expect to find anything like the regions as exist in the nodelist at this point in time. That example is a good reason for the management group who can step in should the ZC go AWOL again, not that we expect it to happen. Anyway, it's good to see some results after months of consultation! Other persons directly and indirectly involved, and to whom we owe our gratitude are Carol Shenkenberger (soon to be ex Zone1 moving to Japan) & Terry Roati (an Australian living in Manila), both Carol and Terry have played an important part in the reforming process and both offer their services (when they are available), to the Management group and the Z6C. Also Janis Kracht (Z1C) and Malcolm Miles (Z3C) for their support and understanding with nodes in their respective zones who have another foot in Zone6, it was also gratifying to have the support of the ZCC when it was needed most. Thank you to everyone involved, Long Live Zone6! (Asia) Best Rgds, Bazz barry@glonet.co.nz FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 3 21 May 2001 (See related article: "Zone6-managing finally") ----------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2, Region 53 is Alive! Region 53 in Zone 2 has a new RC. Vlad Hrusca informs that Region 53 is very much alive and is working with others, both in and out of Zone 2 - Region 53, to get Region 53 moving. Congratulations to Vlad Hrusca! (Related articles: "Dear Editor", "Editor's Corner", "Question of the Week") ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 4 21 May 2001 ================================================================= TOP STORIES ================================================================= Zone6-managing finally ======================================= * Forwarded by Anatoli Tung (6:770/1) * Area : ZONE6SYSOP (ZONE6SYSOP) ======================================= From : Anatoli Tung Subject : About Zone6-managing finally Date/Time : Mon 14 May 2001 2:32a From Bin Li, BL>>> I already said i agree wrote me to zone-gate and zone-line if BL>>> all sysop agree. about carol and barry, i think we must hold BL>>> these node! BL>>> this mail cc to all sysop! From Terry Roati, to a conversation in progress on new Z6C status. TR> Totally agree, let's move on. Let's do it and move on. I can TR> setup a mailing list to handle this if required. From Anatoli, About Z6C. I propose not wait more, all voices is clear, and although we not yet have clear plan for progress and evolution of Z6, or opinion new Z6C about this (he have our questions, but he need time for decisions). About mailing list. I (do) not fully understand, about what this mailing list will be? We are using netmail and echoarea ZONE6SYSOP to talk and inform. But if some other networks, are now not linked to this echoarea, will they be informed by the maillist (similar echoarea R50.SYSOP.CRISIS in R50 of Zone 2 ;-)) - this is good idea. For instance, I exchange e-mail with some sysops of nodes from Japan, Singapore, Thailand, Taiwan, HongKong, some of them are interested to do work for Zone 6, but their fidonet-nodes is temporary work without links or in down, so if you are able to support one or more mailing-lists, I can propose to you their e-mails 'for inform they' (so he can link them) and allow them to participate in our talks. What is your opinion? Now information about our voices (opinions, not votes). === Cut === This is from my old message to Lawrence, Barry and Carol: This is results of our discussion for listing one as Z6C: 1. Terry Roati, 6:751/321, the experience coordinator, now executes FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 5 21 May 2001 duties R64C, to be disagree Z6C, since is very much engaged and is seldom at home (his Node always on the auto pilot). Considers, that Z6C should be only asian. Agree for Bin Li. 2. Lawrence Fan, 6:654/1501, the most experience coordinator in R65, is now engaged, and there is no technical opportunity. Supports a nominee Bin Li 3. Carol Shenkenberger, 6:730/275, experience coordinator, ex-RC from a zone1. She speaks: "My 4 month expected outage is not a joke". I believe Bin Li is ready and Anatoli is happy to produce the nodelist for him." 4. Anatoli Tung, 6:770/1, similar situation. Often unavailable on trips, technical opportunities are planned to 2001. Support Bin Li and appeal to all other candidates to help he. 5. Maoron Chen, 6:653/1008 - is engaged, will leave Fidonet. 6. Barry, 3:774/605. Agree for Bin Li, support he by netmail routing, echomail-links and other. Others sysop's - in discussion did not participate, have problems with support Fidonet even in their own networks... BTW, two regions (60 and 61) not have anyone *RC, this will be solved in future. But even now I surmise candidates: Ivan Shim or I for R60, and Fatman Wong 6:700/360 for R61 (he is one activest there). Old RC62 and RC63 are available, but down, we can ask their opinion for next RC's... One additional question new accepted by more in ZONE6SYSOP: Make a Z6 Manage Group included nodes 6:6/1000 - 6:6/100x in nodelist, what will be included some persons (Anatoli, Barry, Lawrence, Ivan Shim etc) that very active work for zone 6 or help Z6C. Number 6:6/1000 is reserved for postmaster (keeper) of domain z6.fidonet.org (now Ivan Shim, 6:600/60) and will be added when he agree. Addind of other new nodes there will be by decision of Z6C with agreement of their sysops. === Cut === Chao, Anatoli. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 6 21 May 2001 ================================================================= GENERAL ARTICLES ================================================================= FidoNet and Peer to Peer (P2P) - State-of-the-art by Anton "Tony" Koker, Jr. (TonyKoker@bigfoot.com) In my meanderings through the information technology landscape, trying to keep abreast of information pertinent to the honing of my skills and art, I found an article which relates directly to FidoNet. Expecially so since FidoNet is cited as a fine example of technology that has withstood and continues to withstand the test of time. The following is an excerpt from that article (used with permission from the author): "Early attempts P2P computing isn't all that new. The term P2P is, of course, a new invention, but basic P2P technology has been around at least as long as USENET and FidoNet -- two very successful, completely decentralized networks of peers. P2P computing may be even older (I hereby issue a challenge to my readers to find the earliest P2P application -- extra points will be awarded if it's still in use), but these two examples suffice to demonstrate its age. The bottom line is that many of the people using P2P applications today weren't even using computers when the first P2P applications appeared. USENET, born back in 1979, is the distributed application that provides most of the world with its newsgroups (my favorites are rec.arts.int-fiction and rec.games.int-fiction). Its earliest incarnation was the work of two graduate students named Tom Truscott and Jim Ellis. At the time, nothing like the "on-demand" Internet we know today existed. Files were exchanged in batch over phone lines, often at night when long distance rates were lowest. Consequently, there was no effective way to centralize the function of the USENET. The natural result was an extremely decentralized, distributed application -- a structure it retains to this day. The other outstanding early P2P success is FidoNet. FidoNet, like USENET, is a decentralized, distributed application for exchanging messages. FidoNet was created in 1984 by Tom Jennings as a way to exchange messages between users of different BBS systems. Because it filled a need, it quickly grew and, like USENET, it remains in use today. Both USENET and FidoNet are interesting because both of them, years ago, ran into and overcame many of the problems that modern P2P applications are running into today, with scalability being the most obvious, but security and a host of other problems being addressed as well. For P2P computing to succeed, its proponents must be willing to learn from history." from http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-p2p/: FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 7 21 May 2001 The practice of peer-to-peer computing: Introduction and history A new-fangled name, but an old and useful approach to computing Todd Sundsted (todd-p2p@etcee.com) Chief Architect, PointFire, Inc. March 2001 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 8 21 May 2001 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Time is a circle By Frank Vest It's been said that time goes in a circle and what has been will be again. In the past weeks, there has been controversy over the IC, person and position. There's been mention of an article in FIDO548.NWS that was deleted by a ZHub due to the content and the controversy surrounding that. Some other echos are talking about other things and so on. Mentioning the Fidonews issue that had the removed article in it got me to go look at the unaltered version. I then started looking at some of the other back issues. It was interesting what I found. In one issue, there was a complaint about the IC and something that had or hadn't been done by him. In another, was a comment about leaving Fidonet because it was becoming not fun anymore. Still other issues held articles about routing problems and this and that happenings on the good and bad side. As I scanned through some of the issues, I thought `I've seen this before in the Fidonews or in some echo in Fidonet'. I know that I couldn't have read those particular articles because I wasn't in Fidonet at that time. :) I guess that time really is a circle and history does repeat itself. If this is the case, I can't wait until Fidonet grows back into the 30,000 Nodes it once was. :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 9 21 May 2001 ================================================================= QUESTION OF THE WEEK ================================================================= What is Fidonet to you? I was asked this question in E-Mail and it is a good question. Just what is Fidonet to you? (see related: "Letters to the Editor") ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 10 21 May 2001 ================================================================= INTERVIEWS ================================================================= Interview with Charles Cruden of Internet Rex. By Frank Vest With your permission, I'd like an E-Mail address and Web page, if available, to publish in the Fidonews. http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex, of course. :) Email I'd prefer not to publish, just to keep the spambots at bay. Q: Tell us a little about Charles Cruden. Just who are you? :) Charles Cruden is in fact a fiendishly sneaky alien plot to take over the world. The first step in this plan is infiltration of Fidonet, which appears to have gone well, but the details of the jump to the second step (total domination of world governments) seems to have been less well planned, and will shortly be coming under review. Those involved will no doubt be feeling the wrath of large halibuts shortly. Q: What got you first interested in BBS? Apart from the obvious need for the first step in world domination, the main thing that got me involved was the purchase of a modem to connect to the university. When I found other places to connect to, the whole process sort of snowballed, and I soon found myself buying another modem and computer to put together my own BBS. Mostly the door games drew me in, but at the time, it was also one of the best ways of going about exchanging shareware games. (Mmmm... DOOM.) Q: How long have you been programming? Pretty much since the first computer I got in '84. (Go go Timex Sinclair!) At that point it was just experimenting. In university I went into computing science, and that's when the real programming started. Q: What prompted you to begin writing Irex? InterBBS gaming mostly. (How better to practise world domination?) I'd started exchanging files with other boards over the net in '94, mostly by Telix scripts. It worked really well, but although a lot of folks were interested, the complexities behind setting it up were a big impediment. TransX and Fido2Int came along to simplify things a bit, but at the time they just didn't do enough, so I set about writing something of my own to fill the gap.... Q: What do you see as the strong points of Irex or any programs you've written for Fidonet? Give us a quick review. I'd say Rex's best feature is its flexibility: whatever you want to do to transfer your files over the net, Rex can do it. Native versions for most OSes and support for most of the mailers out there don't hurt FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 11 21 May 2001 it either. Q: Where do you see Irex going in the future? My goal is to make Rex the first "universal" mailer: that is, regardless of the method you want to use to exchange your mail or the setup you have, Rex can do it for you. With any luck, I can make it reasonably simple to configure at the same time.... :) Q: Where do you see BBS systems going in the future? That depends a lot on what you consider to be a "BBS". The current incarnation (dialup line with text based echos / doors / etc.) does have certain advantages, but I just can't see it sticking around for long. Things are going to move towards access over the net (witness the number of telnet boards springing up all over the place), and if they stuck with a text interface for long, I'd be surprised. Already, you could consider some internet websites BBSs of a kind: they have their own message areas, some have games, files abound.... Start networking them, and you have a whole other kind of BBS network. If BBSing can throw off the shackles of a nearly 20 year old stereotype and catch up with the net, I think great things could happen. Q: Anything else you want to add or tell the readers? FIDONET IS JUST THE FIRST STEP! SOON ALL YOUR PUNY NATIONS WILL FALL UND... @(#&^R Umm... Nope, nothing comes to mind. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 12 21 May 2001 ================================================================= LETTERS TO THE EDITOR ================================================================= Printed with permission from Vlad Hrusca Dear Editor! I want to ask you: why you see only bad things in FidoNet? Ok, region 2:35 dead... it's sad... But at April, 1st, region 2:53 tells - "We are alife!". 2 years region was dead, and now - "We will be alife!". One node (ex. 2:530/207, now 2:531/207) 2 years was alife with points but without any connection with others. I think it's not bad. Ok, it's my first experience as FidoNet regional coordinator (I had experience in MirageNet, Sysops TechNet, and others xUSSR-specific nets), but I trying to do all for my region. Ok, now we have some troubles ws internet and outbound connections,but I want to say _THANK YOU_ for: Barry Blackford (3:774/605), Ward Dossche (2:292/854), Anton Kuznetsov (2:465/50), Alex Bagmanov (2:5014/4), Oleg Vasenyoff (2:469/73.256), and for many others who helps me to make R53 be alife. See, one example - I think region 2:50 (Russia) is a largest region in FidoNet right now, no? Why? What is Fidonet for russians? For xUSSR FidoNet is not only a way to communicate, it's a way to live, religion... FidoNet members - are another kind of people, computer fanatics. It's not bad. Maybe it's not bad idea for other regions and zones? Maybe I'm not so experienced as you, I'm only 10 years in FidoNet, but ask anybody from Z1 what is FidoNet for him (her)? For me FidoNet - is my life. About "new ways in FidoNet". FidoNet is a community, and all communities have their laws. To thrive. New flags, new methods, new ideas. Example: In R46 was project - Fido via SMS. Fido tryes to do something, why you don't understand this? Cell phones as phone line, why not? We need to use all new technologies to survive as community. It's so simple. Let's do something - we are all friends, isn't it? Best Regards, Vlad Hrusca, Region 53 Coordinator 2:531/1@FidoNet P.S. Sorry for my english. P.P.S. About internet hubs, why you don't use WWB Sysops list? I know some big internet hubs in xUSSR, such as 2:5020/52, 2:5014/4, 2:469/128, 2:400/558, etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 13 21 May 2001 ================================================================= EDITOR'S CORNER ================================================================= Just a few thanks. I've got to tell all of you. It's been great so far being the Editor. I'm very happy with the response from all of you and other aspects of being the Editor of the Fidonews publication. So far, there have been articles submitted by several people in Fidonet and some from other than Zone 1. This makes me feel good to think that you feel trusting enough in me to submit articles. So far, the response in the Fidonews Echo has been good. The talk has been relatively civil and beneficial. Oh, there have been some things that have headed in the wrong direction, but you, for the most part, have pulled them back and from your intelligence, have prevented problems. Oh sure, I've made some Moderator messages, but for the most part, things have been going well. My hat's off to you all. -------------------------- You might have noticed a change in the last posting of the Fidonews Publication. It was suggested to me via a Netmail message that the topics should be changed when a thread changes. This started me to thinking about the posting of the Fidonews Publication and the subjects in each message posted. I looked at the Newsprep program and found that it posted each article with the subject of the section that each article came from. This seemed to be better to me. I contacted Carl Bennett and sent him the Newsprep program. He tried it and used it to post the last Fidonews Publication. I thank Carl for being willing to try this and for making it work for the Fidonews. Thanks, Carl. -------------------------- Also, you might have noticed the file_id in the Fidonews zip file. Wilfred van Velzen had asked me about this when Warren Bonner was editor. At that time, I was working on a batch file to help in the production of the Fidonews and Wilfred's question was in regards to the file_id not being complete with the list of articles in the edition. I didn't know how to make this happen at that time and was more concerned with getting the production part working. At any rate, when I became the editor, Wilfred asked again about the file_id. I looked deeper into it and finally found the solution. The file_id now shows the list of articles in the issue. Thank you Wilfred for staying on me about that. :-) ---------------------------- I was asked the below question in E-Mail and my answer follows. FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 14 21 May 2001 Vlad Hrusca writes: "I want to ask you: why you see only bad things in FidoNet?" My Answer: I do not see only bad things in Fidonet. I publish what is sent to me by others. In the short time that I have been the editor, I have added the ascii comics back into the Fidonews, started interviews with Fidonet software authors, offered a place for those that offer services to Fidonet such as Echomail feeds to advertise and other positive things. I have a section of the Fidonews open for "Fidonet Web Page Reviews" and "Fidonet Software Reviews". I do not see only bad things in Fidonet. Please understand that I do not write all of the Fidonews. As editor, I receive submissions from others and publish those submissions. What I receive from these "reporters" can and does make the Fidonews appear positive or negative. In Addition to the above: I want everyone to know and understand that the Fidonews relies on submissions of articles. If the articles are negative, the Fidonews is negative. If the articles are positive, the Fidonews is positive. It is up to you as the members of Fidonet to "color" the Fidonews. If you want positive, send me positive. The Fidonews reflects the people in Fidonet. Regards, Frank Vest, Editor ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 15 21 May 2001 ================================================================= FIDONET NOTICES ================================================================= Please Check Please check the "Fidonet by Internet" (Web Page listing) section. I have tried each site in the list and made notes of my findings. If there are corrections or additions, please let me know. Regards, Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 16 21 May 2001 ================================================================= HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN ================================================================= Irreverent look at Fidonet Coordinators This was printed some time back and I'm sure exists in many forms. Still, it's more true than some would like and less true than some would want. :-)) FidoNet Co-ordinators IC: leaps tall buildings in a single bound is more powerful than a locomotive is faster than a speeding bullet walks on water is GOD ZC: leaps short buildings in a single bound is more powerful than a shunting engine is faster than a speeding bullet walks on water if the sea is calm gives policy to God RC: leaps short buildings with a running start and favourable winds is almost as powerful as a shunting engine is just as fast as a speeding bullet walks on water in an indoor swimming pool talks with God NC: barely clears a fabricated hut loses a tug of war with locomotive can fire a speeding bullet swims well talks with God if special request is approved HUB: makes high marks on the wall when trying to clear tall buildings is run over by locomotives can sometimes handle a gun without hurting themselves dog paddles talks to animals NODE: FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 17 21 May 2001 runs into buildings recognises locomotives 2 times out of 3 is not issued with ammunition can stay afloat with a lifejacket talks to walls POINT: falls over doorstep when trying to enter buildings says "look at the choo choo" wets themselves with water pistol plays in mudpuddles mumbles to themselves USER: lifts buildings and walks under them kicks locomotives off the tracks catches speeding bullets in teeth and ears walks on water if it is frozen who the heck is GOD? ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 18 21 May 2001 ================================================================= COMIX IN ASCII ================================================================= Key into Fidonet ________________________________________________ | _____________________________ | | [][] _____________________________ [_][_][_] | | [][] [_][_][_] [_][_][_][_] [_][_] [_][_][_] | | FIDONET SYSOP | | [][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][_] [][][][] | | [][] [_][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [][][][] | | [][] [__][][][][][][][][][][][][_] [][][][] | | [][] [___][][][][][][][][][][][__] [__][][] | | [_][______________][_] | |______________________________________________| ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 19 21 May 2001 ================================================================= CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ================================================================= How it really happened! :-) An old, bearded shepherd with a crooked staff walked up to a stone pulpit and said, "And lo, it came to pass that the trader by the name of Abraham Com did take unto himself a young wife by the name of Dot. And Dot Com was a comely woman, broad of shoulder and long of leg. Indeed, she had been called Amazon Dot Com. And she said unto Abraham, her husband, "Why doth thou travel far, from town to town, with thy goods when thou can trade without ever leaving thy tent?" And Abraham did look at her as though she were several saddle bags short of a camel load, but simply said, "How, Dear?" And Dot replied, "I will place drums in all the towns and drums in between to send messages saying what you have for sale and they will reply telling you which hath the best price. And the sale can be made on the drums and delivery made by Uriah's Pony Stable (UPS)." Abraham thought long and decided he would let Dot have her way with the drums. And the drums rang out and were an immediate success. Abraham sold all the goods he had, at the top price, without ever moving from his tent. But this success did arouse envy. A man named Maccabia did secret himself inside Abraham's drum and was accused of insider trading. And the young man did take to Dot Com's trading as doth the greedy horsefly take to camel dung. They were called Nomadic Ecclesiastical Rich Dominican Siderites, or NERDS for short. And lo, the land was so feverish with joy at the new riches and the deafening sound of drums, that no one noticed that the real riches were going to the drum maker, one Brother William of Gates, who bought up every drum company in the land. And indeed did insist on making drums that would work only if you bought Brother Gates' drumsticks. And Dot did say, "Oh, Abraham, what we have started is being taken over by others." And as Abraham looked out over the Bay of Ezekiel, or as it came to be known "eBay," he said, "we need a name that reflects what we are," and Dot replied, "Young Ambitious Hebrew Owner Operators." "Whoopee!", said Abraham. "No, YAHOO!" said Dot Com.. .and that is how it all began. It wasn't Al Gore after all. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 20 21 May 2001 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- . | FIDONET-RELATED SITES | ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- ' Last update: May 21, 2001 ? = Could not connect ! = Does not appear to be Fidonet related o = Does not appear to be updated (dead?) FidoNet Homepage: http://fidonet.fidonet.org/ Alt: http://www.fidonet.ca FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ Echolist: http://www.tlchost.net/echolist/ Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS) FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/ General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html Zone 1: http://fidonet.fidonet.org/zone1idx.htm Alt: http://www.fidonet.ca/zone1.html Region 10: http://www.r10.org Net 102 http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/ ? Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ ? Net 2410: http://www.vector.11.com/net2410/ ? Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org Region 13: http://www.ispaceonline.org/region13/ ? Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Net 275: http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/ Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14/ Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 15: Region 16: Region 17: http://www.region17.net Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140 ? Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19 Net 124: http://www.dallasinet.com/net124 http://texoma.net/~flv Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) ! Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) http://www.was-ist-fido.de/ Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German) FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 21 21 May 2001 ! Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/ ? Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) ? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/ Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) ? Region 42: http://www.fido.cz o Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English) Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) ! Net 5028: HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/ ! Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) ? Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian) ? Net 5074: http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net ? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org Zone 4: Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Fidonet Via Internet Hubs See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email address. The email is translated as follows firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea. Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum time between when the message is received, and when it is sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward, defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 22 21 May 2001 immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were. v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com | email address or Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate | | |latency| -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c 10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c 13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c 103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c 103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c 103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr 106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ??? 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c 107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo. 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 220/10 | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c 218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c 246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c 249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c 379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr 396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS | 33.6k | n/c 2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3407/4 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k |N/C 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C 292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 18-21 Page 23 21 May 2001 335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c 905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * NFS = Linux Networking ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) ---------------------------------------------- Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com. 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