F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 12 19 Mar 2001 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the |Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are | | FidoNet community | Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings | | Copyright through | San Francisco, California, USA | | 2007 | Crash Netmail Attach Articled To: | | _ | fido news@1:2320/38 (1-502-245-6778) | | / \ | for Telnet and Bink: | | | /|oo \ | Fidonews@1:2320/100 | | (_| /_) | Filegate.net or 64.38.85.9 | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: Warren Bonner | | | (*) | \ )) | editor@fidonews.org | | |__U__| / \// | wdbonner@pacbell.net | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Copyright 2001 by Editor Warren D. Bonner for Fidonews Globally. Table of Contents 1. CHAT WITH THE EDITOR ..................................... 1 <<< EDITORIAL >>> ........................................ 1 //+\ GUESTS INPUT /+\\ ................................... 3 2. LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK ......................... 6 3. ARTICLES ................................................. 8 ARTICLES ................................................. 8 4. OL'WDB'S COLUMN .......................................... 11 -=+ FRANK'S COLUMN +=- .................................. 11 5. RECIPES .................................................. 15 6. HUMOR .................................................... 17 From: "R. B. Crowninshield" ....... 17 7. NOTICES .................................................. 20 >>> NOTICE <<< ........................................... 20 8. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 23 9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 28 FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 1 19 Mar 2001 ================================================================= CHAT WITH THE EDITOR ================================================================= By: Warren Bonner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi folks, There has been considerable dialogue in fidonews, in fact it has become one of the heaviest traveled echoes past few weeks. That pleases me greatly as it is proof of enough stimulation on the editors' part to generate interest in fidonet and fidonews. Some folks are a tad combative and then put tongue in cheek as if they were really kidding all along. Thats fine, that is the morter that holds the bricks together. Some readily accept reality when it is presented in a warm sincere way, while others prefer to fight to the bitter end on a lost cause, for whatever reasons they may have, and that is okay too... It takes all kinds of spices to make a good salsa. My own troubled concern is about those who find it impossible that they are wrong about anything; worse yet, will not apologize when they are proven wrong. This is a sad weakness in some men who come to think of themselves in a far grander light than others see them. There are many submissions for exposure of their views in the Fidonews I took samplings and tried to be even handed in presenting everyone's views, even though I know the vast majority of readers know who is running on an agenda, and who is presenting the truth. Please bear in mind that each person has a right to be heard no matter their misinformation and half truths. It is everyone freedom of speech. Soo.. with that in mind, I apologize for the redundant quotes, if you will try to understand the various authors' submissions. Also keep in mind that Fidonews goes out globally, and services thousands of nodes and points that are not privvy to the Fnews echo where most of the discussions take place. Just a couple of notes here: From: Malcolm Miles MM> I agree here. While Tom may hold these trademarks in relation to selling computer software and programs in the USA, it has no relevance to our use of the words as part of Fidonet the network. Best wishes, Malcolm WB>True in a way, except Tom Jennings gave Fidonews editors permission to use his T-M doggie floppy ASCII graphic in it's Banner and has been there by tradition since mid 80's. Since his trademark is embedded if you will, in the history as well as each issue of Fidonews, and wrapped in the editors copyright, I can't accept your analogy of the facts. ===============8<--------------------- (6596) Sun 18 Mar 01 12:36a > By: Janis Kracht > To: Ward Dossche > Re: Re: [5 of 6] FidoNews -------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 2 19 Mar 2001 Hi Ward, WD> Further to that the "Dog with diskette" has never been registered with the USPTO at all. JK> You are wrong about this as well. See the item marked with an asterisk below please: USPO: Word Mark: FIDONET Goods and Services IC 009. US 038. G & S: COMPUTER PROGRAMS AND ACCOMPANYING USER MANUALS. FIRST USE: 19840618. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19840915 * Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING Serial Number 73591035. > [...] Take care, Janis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Why is this peeing contest necessary you may wonder? Because Ward wants a reason to try to wrest control of Fidonews from the editor in Zone one! Watch his moves very carefully. He intends to control who is editor of Fidonews and the Zone it resides in. His reason is simple: Fidonews exposed his P4 violation in removing Steven Leeman from the nodelist in Zone two. He doesn't intend to get caught with his pants down again, and have Fidonews expose him again. He intends to get control of Fidonews in Zone two via a puppet perhaps? Using a one time emergency to break tradition of Fidonews editors "passing the torch" after a time to the next editor, no matter what zone the next editor resides in. However the step by step, message by message in the past week has made his intent very clear posted in his own words in his last post: > (6588) Sun 18 Mar 01 3:55a > By: Ward Dossche > To: Philip Lozier > Re: Re: [5 of 6] FidoNews 18:11 > St: >---------------------------------------- > Dear Philip, > >PL> Warren, you may publish this if you wish... > WD> This could be fun becoz' do I have some news for you ... ;-) WD> The one currently assuming the role of editor has been appointed WD> by the IC, not by the outgoing editor for reasons which we all WD> know (I hope) and regret. WD> It is a universally accepted legal principle that the body FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 3 19 Mar 2001 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WD>which appoints a person can also recall him/her. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > WB> And there you have it folks! In my humble opinion, the above statement is the reason Ward started this tirade last Thursday, and has fervently pursued it in his every post. He is trying to take a Tradition away from Fidonews by taking advantage of a one time emergency in the death of my friend Doug Meyers PE. (Past Editor). He has denounced every T-M and ASCII drawing as bogus, and belittled all Zones except two for their being smaller, and continued to imply Z2 is the power of Fidonet. David Mouferrege past IC did approve me as I was the lead Columnist in the Snooze, and for that emergency only, appointed "Pro Tem". The ninety days passed and no one else was selected by the ZCC to give their recommendation to the IC. And I became editor on a permanent basis. The emergency does not remove the editor's naming his successor as done since the beginning of Fidonews to prevent political power hungry people from control. Watch very carefully.... guard your Snooze. Ol'wdb --- InterMail 2.29k * Origin: Telnet://TheLastStop.osirusoft.com/ 1:103/401 (1:103/401) ----------------------------------------------------------------- By: Thom LaCosta Ward Dossche wrote in a message to Philip Lozier: WD> Pressured a little bit by Janis Kracht who was pressured by Thom Lacoste who takes Warren Bonner's words for granted and neither of them checking any of the statements made by the other I went researching the matter myself. TL> Ward, we need to get a few things straight: TL> A. I don't take anyone's word for granted, TL> B. I did check the United States Patent and Trademark Office database online. TL> What I found, and what has been confirmed by Janis, Malcom Miles and Tom Jennings is that the trademark for FidoNet is registerd to Tom Jennings, is current and will not expire until 2007. FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 4 19 Mar 2001 WD> Here in Belgium I'm 3,900 nautical miles from Washington DC which puts me farther away from the USPTO (United States Patent and Trademark Office) than anyone in the continental USA yet it seems I'm the firstone who actually has taken the time to research their records. TL> You're not only not the first to research the records, but also not the first do do a bad research job. WD> This is the result which I pass to you with a broad smile and a chuckle hoping that the Thom Lacostes, Warren Bonners and all the others who like to debate issues without knowing the facts read it. TL> Ward, your spelling skills of last names matches your research skills... it's faulty. TL> As far as the "broad smile and a chuckle", I'm having one now, thinking of you reading the email from Malcom and Tom Jennings...which totally disagree with your pronouncements and faulty research. WD> However ... I did the research and here follows the USPTO-story (United States Patent and Trademark Office): TL> I'd suggest you carefully read the email from Malcom Miles and reread the sections of the USPTO information he quotes. The reference can be viewed at: http://www.uspto.gov.web/offices/com/sol/tmlwtrty/postreg.htm WD> It seems before embarking on the warpath people need to learn to check the facts prior to mailing-out stuff which doesn't make sense. However, hadn't Warren Bonner and Thom Lacosta not done so I would've never contacted the USPTO. So maybe they did me a WD> favor after all. LT> Perhaps you contacted a different USPTO than the one that publishes regulations and posts them on the internet? Since you state you have contacted them, can you share the name of the person you contacted? I'd really like to confirm that this person made statements that appear to fly in the face of public record. LT> Perhaps that person should apologize to you for giving inaccurate information, just as my original communications on the subject not only asked that you stop making inaccurate statements, but also apologize for those you had made. WD> Any discussion about trademarks, copyrights, "dogs with or without diskettes", the Fidonews-editor and more of these matters is useless. LT> No Ward, any denial on your part about the validity of the Fidonet trademark is useless. WD> At the current rate zone-1 expires in 47.2 weeks, that is January/February 2002. This will not happen 100%, of course, but in the end there will be a mere handfull of self-inflated Napoleons making lotsa noise but carrying little weight. FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 5 19 Mar 2001 LT> Interesting choice of words....self-inflated Napoleons making lotsa noise. LT> Perhaps phrases like "Takes one to know one", or "If the shoe fits. wear it" apply to your statement. Thom baltimoremd@baltimoremd.com http://www.tlchost.net/echolist/ --- * Origin: Home of The Other Robot (1:261/1352) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 6 19 Mar 2001 ================================================================= LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK ================================================================= From: "Ward Dossche" To: "Warren Bonner" ; Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: Re: FidoNet TradeMark (fwd) WD> Dear Warren, Any reason why you've deleted all those other wonderful CCs? WB> Yes. I almost always do that as part of cleaning out the excessive and/or redundant verbiage to get to the meat of the matter. No ulterior motive, just keeping the goal of the message as pure as possible. Why do you ask? WB>I never claimed that Malcomb. I stated the Doggie with the floppy disk is theTrade Mark belonging to Tom Jennings, who has given fidonews editor permission to use. WD> That is 100% purse nonsense. WB> Don't understand your contention or contest of what I know I have said. Are you trying to be degrading and evasive? If so, you are succeeding in showing your contempt to all who respect and keep whole the laws and traditions of the many nations that make up our Fidonet... The one you as IC should be supporting with all of your abilities to grow, not be chopping and hacking at the traditions that make it strong and viable. WD> There is no current trademark covering "Fidonet" nor the "Dog With Diskette". WB> That as you well know is a lie. Janis has sent you the number of the graphic TJ was issued with his trade mark. WD> You have not one single shred of proof except one single webpage from a private company. WB> Honestly Ward, I did not even know of the webpage you refer to. I go by the information on the US Patent Office that I sent you day before yesterday. WD> Do I have news for you ... their information is hopelessly outdated and incorrect. In the meantime I was able to retrieve 100% accurate records, names, dates and places and will within 24 hours expose these in the relevant echoes, incl. FIDONEWS. WB> Great!!! That boils down to the facts at the USPO and the only ones that count, in your denial of TJ's ownership of the trade mark he has given Fidonews permission to use, in the determination of it's existance you so ferverently deny. While you are there don't forget to check the trade mark extention law amendments. Then apologize to everyone for your bullheadedness. FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 7 19 Mar 2001 WD> Unfortunately for you, that will effectively end any discussion on that | subject since there is indeed no current trademark. WB> That is another evasive falsehood and denial on your part, and your denial is blatently without merit. WD> If you want to elaborate further on your completely wrong position I suggest you breathe deep, take a walk around the block and wait until you see what's coming your way (and the ZCs, and Thom Lacoste's, and some other guys' in FIDONEWS) and not make a complete fool of yourself for not checking the real records of the government of the US of A. WB> Ward, I personally have no problem breathing or walking a couple of miles a day, and the company of the ZCC's and Thom Lacosta would be very nice and pleasureable I am sure. I don't believe that the rest of Fidonet is looking in our direction at a complete fool. WD> Strange I can do this thousands of miles away but the locals can't. WB> Stranger still is your lack of comprehension of English used by the USPO in defining it's amendments to the code you stopped reading as soon as you came to the end of the second 6 year term of the trade mark. The amendments clearly extend all TM's many years. That was done primarily because the work load for renewals was exceeding the budget according to my senator in Washington. WD> Have a nice remainder of your weekend Ward Et tu, Ward. Ol'wdb 8^) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 8 19 Mar 2001 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= By: Ward Dossche To: Philip Lozier Dear Philip, PL> Warren, you may publish this if you wish... WD> This could be fun becoz' do I have some news for you ... ;-) PL> Ward... not to start a flame fest here, but I do believe that Warren has sufficiently established that FidoNews was registered in the US by Tom Jennings, provided the registration information, and is working on establishing that any future editor of FidoNews has permission to utilize this trade mark as stated by Tom... WD>Pressured a little bit by Janis Kracht who was pressured by Thom Lacoste who takes Warren Bonner's words for granted and neither of them checking any of the statements made by the other I went researching the matter myself. WD> Here in Belgium I'm 3,900 nautical miles from Washington DC which puts me farther away from the USPTO (United States Patent and Trademark Office) than anyone in the continental USA yet it seems I'm the firstone who actually has taken the time to research their records. WD> This is the result which I pass to you with a broad smile and a chuckle hoping that the Thom Lacostes, Warren Bonners and all the others who like to debate issues without knowing the facts read it. WD> Mr. Warren Bonner cites little justification for his claims re: Fidonet- trademarks. He did not research USPTO-records which should have been his primary source of information. Had he done so he would have the information that would make him very silent on the issue. WD> However ... I did the research and here follows the USPTO-story (United States Patent and Trademark Office): WD> 1) There is a trace of a Fidonet-listing with the name of Tom Jennings 2) It was registered on Aug.18 1987 for a 6-year period 3) It was renewed on Aug.3 1993 for another 6 year period 4) The renewal for 6 years was registered on Dec.14 1993 5) No further action has been undertaken since which means the trademark expired on Dec.14 1999 and is up for grabs to anyone who wants to pay the required fees. WD> Don't believe me? Contact the USPTO yourself. General Information Services Division U.S. Patent and Trademark Office Crystal Plaza 3, Room 2C02 Washington, DC 20231 By phone FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 9 19 Mar 2001 800-786-9199 or 703-308-4357 WD> Further to that the "Dog with diskette" has never been registered with the USPTO at all. WD> Based on all this I repeat my claim that each and every mention of Fidonet- trademarks and "Dog-with-diskette" style-things here, in nodelists, in Fidonews (without being limited in my summing-up) is completely irrelevant and other than taking-up space is absolutely unimportant. At least I cannot be blamed for not having done my homework ... I rest my case. Nevertheless, a trademark-mention is present in zone-2's version of the world- nodelist. Of course, no-one ever cared to check that but those that would like to do so can access ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 and retrieve between 1 and 2 months worth of nodelists from zone-2 with the trademark-notice clear for all to see. It seems before embarking on the warpath people need to learn to check the facts prior to mailing-out stuff which doesn't make sense. However, hadn't Warren Bonner and Thom Lacosta not done so I would've never contacted the USPTO. So maybe they did me a favor after all. PL> FidoNews, according to this information, is the property of the current editor, and has nothing to do with any C structure whatsoever (Right up tou your IC slot)... WD>The one currently assuming the role of editor has been appointed by the IC, not by the outgoing editor for reasons which we all know (I hope) and regret. It is a universally accepted legal principle that the body which appoints a person can also recall him/her. PL> the English translation is not unreasonable, as the > official language of "FidoNet" (not echoes) -is- English... WD> With close to 40% of the nodes coming from Russia and another 45% being non- anglophile-based maybe it should be Russian ... ;-) LP> ... my voice has been known within my region to support the fact > that any proposed changes made within Z1 in regards to major FidoNet > matters -MUST- take the considerations of -ALL- zones into effect. WD> Don't misunderstand me, but in a way this is amusing. It demonstrates you haven't yet understood the law of the numbers. Look at this my freind... you state that Z2 is 90% of FidoNet... ... well, it's 86% as a metter of fact with zone-1 occupying 9%. During the last 5 weeks zone-2 has lost 81 nodes, that is 0.77% of its capacity. FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 10 19 Mar 2001 Zone-1, during the same time frame, lost 90 nodes which is 8.47% of its capacity. WD> What do I mean by that? WD> Any discussion about trademarks, copyrights, "dogs with or without diskettes", the Fidonews-editor and more of these matters is useless. WD>The real item to be discussed, but which most people avoid like the Plague, is what kind of future is still available in zone-1 with such a decrease which has been linear for a long while. WD> At the current rate zone-1 expires in 47.2 weeks, that is January/February 2002. This will not happen 100%, of course, but in the end there will be a mere handfull of self-inflated Napoleons making lotsa noise but carrying little weight. WD> So how can we keep a Fidonet-structure alive in zone-1 above and beyond some mailmovers who will be moving mainly zone-2 content. \x/@rd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ED... Well Ward can't say he wasn't given full access to the Snooze! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 11 19 Mar 2001 ================================================================= OL'WDB'S COLUMN ================================================================= Thoughts on the Internet versus Fidonet By Frank Vest I'm not a guru of the Internet or of Fidonet, but I've read some of the discussion regarding the subject of Fidonet vs Internet. Here's some random thinking from me. Agree, disagree or whatever. :) Got to thinking, "Where is the power in the Internet"? Really... What gives the Internet it's power. Is it the graphics that it can produce? I don't really think so. Any server program with the right receiving program can "display" graphics. I say "display" because the receiving program is really what does the translation and display. All the server, or sender, does is send the files. The "browser" does all the work of translating those files into something readable. In reality, the Internet doesn't do anything more than Fidonet does in regards to transmitting files. In fact, if you consider that ANSI is sent "on the fly" and translated by the terminal program without using a "cache" of file(s), Fidonet is above the Internet in this regard. Let's look at the above from a different point of view. What makes the Internet work? Well, there's the server which is a computer with files on it. There's the "dial-up networking" which is a terminal program for connecting to the server. There's the browser which gathers the files from the server and translates them into something readable. So; Server = Fidonet software (not the BBS stuff, just the mailer/tosser and such) Dial-up networking = Terminal program Browser = BBS software (if you're only in for mail, Point software) So, the Internet has taken the BBS software and made it available to the User in a form that is easy to setup and called it a browser. They kept the "complicated" server stuff for themselves to sell access to, and, the operating system people (Microsoft, OS/2 and such) put a terminal program into their OS and called it "dial-up networking". Wow!. :-) So, How about the speed? Really? Have you ever hit a slow server? Sometimes, depending on the load, an Internet site can be slower than a BBS at 1200 baud. :) Well, How about the volume? Now we're getting somewhere. The Internet does have a big volume of stuff. I say "Stuff", because I'm not sure I'd call all of the things on the Internet "information". Some things are a little "far fetched" in my book. :) Anyway.... Volume. In reality, there is probably as much volume in Fidonet as is in the Internet. Maybe it isn't there nowadays, but in the "heyday" of Fidonet, when there were some 30,000 Nodes, I'd think that the volume was pretty close. FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 12 19 Mar 2001 What about the profit/commercial aspects of the Internet? Well... you're getting hotter. True, if Fidonet was a commercial venture, it would probably be bigger and more advanced. There would be software authors willing to invest time in the creation of applications for Fidonet and more. Of course, Fidonet is a hobby and limited to what a hobby can put into it, so, lets move on, but keep in mind that before the Internet became the big commercial venture it is today, Fidonet was doing commercial stuff and had many "mega" BBS systems that were commercial in nature. How about the access and connectivity? Bingo!! Now we have it. Access and connectivity! Yup, the Internet has the access and connectivity that Fidonet doesn't.... along with the commercial aspect. Let's think on this a minute. Fidonet is a collection of Nodes/Nets connected via phone numbers that must be dialed each time to connect. The Internet is a collection of Nodes/Nets that are connected on a 24 hours a day, 7 days a week phone network that doesn't have to be dialed each time to connect. So, what does this mean? Simply put, if Fidonet could connect each Node to each other Node via a 24/7 phone line, Fidonet could have the connectivity of the Internet. In a weird thought, "What would happen if the Internet suddenly lost all of it's 24/7 phone lines and had to dial each system for a connect and then hang up after"? Wow! We have Fidonet by another name! :) Really, isn't that the major difference between Fidonet and the Internet? If you remove the 24/7 connection and each ISP had to call the other ISPs to connect for file transfers and such, wouldn't this be the same as each Node in Fidonet having to call the other Node(s) to deliver mail? Now, this is not going anywhere in particular. I am just making observations for the sake of thought. If you were to have the Users of the Internet call their ISP and have to request the "web Page" files of a desired site, or just access what was on that ISP's server, then disconnect and keep checking back to see if the files for that page had been received, wouldn't that be something??? :) The Internet becomes Fidonet and we could beat the pants off of them!! :-)) I wonder how the commercial aspect of the Internet would handle such competition? :-)) In summing this up: The main difference between Fidonet and the Internet is the commercial and connectivity aspect versus the hobby and connectivity aspect. You can put all the "ifs", "ands" and/or "buts" in that you want, it still comes down to commercial versus hobby. Let's keep the hobby and let the Internet have the commercial. I'll enjoy the hobby, try to improve and help it where I can, use the Internet to promote or help where possible and suggest that you do the same. FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 13 19 Mar 2001 With kind regards, Frank ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ By: Frank Vest To: All Re: The real choice of Doug Myers? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I started to put this in an article, but decided to just dump it out here. Lot's of talk about who, what, where and when. It's nice to try to decipher what someone intended when they wrote something... especially when they are dead and not able to be asked. I've seen several interpretations of Doug's message about Bobby Queen and/or Peter Karlsson taking the position. I'm not saying that I know what Doug was thinking, but I do believe that he was stating that Bobby take over while Doug might be in the hospital with the understanding that, if Doug were to die during that hospital visit, Bobby would take the position of Fidonews Editor until someone could be chosen. This did not imply that Bobby, or anyone else was chosen as the next Editor of the Fidonews. I think that if one followed the messages back in this echo (assuming someone has them) you will find that Doug asked for volunteers for the position because he was going into the hospital and wasn't sure of the outcome of the operation he thought he was going to have performed. He was not naming his successor unless he was to pass away during that operation. Of course, that is just my observation and interpretation. I will tell you this, neither Bobby nor Peter were Doug's first choice. I know for a fact that Doug asked at least one other and only put the request in the Fidonews Echo after being turned down. Note: ----[ Netmail to keep]----------------------------------------------- On: Mon 3 Apr 2000 12:10a (Rcvd: Sun 2 Apr 2000 11:21p) By: Douglas Myers To: Frank Vest Re: Editor Pro Tem St: Pvt Rcvd -------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 1:270/720 2f001a43 @PID: FM 2.02 Frank... there's a prospect that I'll be hospitalized for a few weeks sometime after April. Would you like to take over the Fidonews Editor position until I can get back to it? Most likely we could arrange with John Souvestre for you to send him the distribution copy via FTP for placement on the filebone. I could send you copies of all the software and as many advance articles I have at the time. ----[ Netmail to keep]--------------------------------------------- On: Sun 2 Apr 2000 11:42p (Sent: Sun 2 Apr 2000 11:43p) By: Frank Vest To: FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 14 19 Mar 2001 Douglas Myers Re: Editor Pro Tem St: Local Pvt Direct Imm Sent ------------------------------------------------------------------- @INTL 1:270/720 1:124/6308 @MSGID: 1:124/6308@fidonet 2e97b8f8 @REPLY: 1:270/720 2f001a43 @FLAGS IMM DIR @PID: FM+ 2.26.SW SW0000B8 @CHRS: IBMPC 2 @CODEPAGE: 437 @TZUTC: -0600 DM> Frank... there's a prospect that I'll be hospitalized for a few weeks DM> sometime after April. Would you like to take over the Fidonews Editor DM> position until I can get back to it? Most likely we could arrange with DM> John Souvestre for you to send him the distribution copy via FTP for Whew!! I'm deeply honored! At another point in time, I'd jump on this. At this time, I have to say no. Being the NC of my Net and with all the stuff going on in my life, I don't feelI have the time needed to do the job right. DM> placement on the filebone. I could send you copies of all the software DM> and as many advance articles I have at the time. On this note and considering the lack of time mentioned above, I doubt that I could learn the software fast enough either. Further, I don't have the understanding of the Internet to do this kind of thing (FTP). I thank you for the honor of being considered, but not this time. Regards, Frank -------------- As you can see, at least one other was asked. I'd bet there were more, as I can't imagine that I was his first choice. So, where are we going with this? Nowhere. All we are doing is "chasing our tail". I guess that's what Fido dogs do? :-) With kind regards, Frank ... Have you ever noticed that all people laugh and cry in the same language --- PPoint 3.01 * Origin: Holy Cow! I'm A Point!! (1:124/6308.1) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 15 19 Mar 2001 ================================================================= RECIPES ================================================================= By: DAVE DRUM Re: Shank Recipe - 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06 Title: Braised Lamb Shanks Categories: Emeril, Lamb. Classic Yield: 4 Servings 1 c Olive oil 1/2 c Flour 4 Lamb shanks (about 8 Oz. ea) 2 c Medium diced onions 1 c Medium diced carrots 1 c Medium diced celery 2 tb Chopped garlic 3 Bay leaves 2 tb Chopped fresh thyme 1 c Red wine 1 lb New potatoes, quartered 2 qt Lamb or dark stock 1/4 c Parsley In a large stock pot or braising pot, add the olive oil. Season the lamb shanks with salt and pepper. Season the flour with Essence. Dredge the lamb shanks in the seasoned flour, coating each side completely. When the oil is hot, sear the shanks for 2 to 3 minutes on each side, or until very brown on all sides. Remove the shanks and set aside. Add the onions to the pan and saute for 2 minutes. Add the celery and carrots and continue to saute for 1 minute. Season with salt and pepper. Stir in the garlic, bay leaves, and thyme. Cook for 1 minute. Deglaze the pan with the red wine, scraping the bottom and sides to loosen the browned particles. Add the potatoes and stock. Bring the liquid up to a boil and reduce to a simmer. Add the lamb shanks and continue to cook for about 1 to 1 1/2 hours, basting the shanks often, or until the sauce is stew-like and the meat starts to fall of the bone. Season with salt and pepper. The shanks can be served alone with crusty bread over blue cheese polenta. Yield: 4 servings SOURCE: Emeril Live! Cooking Show; Copyright 1997, TV FOOD NETWORK; SHOW #EMIA46 MM Format by Dave Drum - 15 March 2001 MMMMM ENJOY!!! FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 16 19 Mar 2001 ... Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen ... Home of HARDIN Cider & Yaaa Hooo Ahhh Hot Sauce!!! ... Well, I don't eat animals 'cause plants are easier to catch. * Q-Blue 2.4 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5 * Origin: Try Our Web Based QWK: DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:18/140) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 17 19 Mar 2001 ================================================================= HUMOR ================================================================= A woman awoke during the night to find that her husband was not in bed. She put on her robe and went downstairs. He was sitting at the kitchen table with a cup of coffee in front of him. He appeared to be in deep thought, just staring at the wall. She saw him wipe a tear from his eye and take a sip of his coffee. "What's the matter dear? Why are you down here at this time of night?" she asked. "Do you remember twenty years ago when we were dating and you were only 16?" he asked. "Yes, I do," she replied. "Do you remember when your father caught us in the back seat of my car making love?" "Yes, I remember." "Do you remember when he shoved that shotgun in my face and said , 'Either you marry my daughter or spend twenty years in jail?" "Yes, I do," she said. He wiped another tear from his cheek and said, " You know...I would have gotten out today. ///////\\\\\\\///////\\\\\\\///////\\\\\\\ Poor Old Lady When I went to lunch today, I noticed an old lady sitting on a park bench sobbing her eyes out. I stopped and asked her what was wrong. She said, "I have a 22 year old husband at home. He makes love to me every morning and then gets up and makes me pancakes, sausage, fresh fruit and freshly ground coffee." I said, "Well, then why are you crying?" She said, "He makes me homemade soup for lunch and my favorite brownies and then makes love to me for half the afternoon". I said, "Well, why are you crying?" She said, "For dinner he makes me a gourmet meal with wine and my favorite dessert and then makes love to me until 2:00 a.m. I said, "Well, why in the world would you be crying?" She said, "I can't remember where I live!" ()()()()()()()()()_()()()_(()()()()()()()( 1. Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me, either. Just leave me the hell alone. FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 18 19 Mar 2001 2. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and a leaky tire. 3. It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. 4. Sex is like air. It's not important unless you aren't getting any. 5. Don't be irreplaceable. If you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted. 6. No one is listening until you fart. 7. Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else. 8. Never test the depth of the water with both feet. 9. It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. 10. It is far more impressive when others discover your good qualities without your help. 11. If you think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car payments. 12. Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. 13. If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. 14. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat & drink beer all day. 15. If you lend someone $20, and never see that person again, it was probably worth it. 16. Don't squat with your spurs on. 17. If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. 18. If you drink, don't park; accidents cause people. 19. Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield. 20. Don't worry, it only seems kinky the first time. 21. Good judgment comes from bad experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. 22. The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket. 23. Timing has an awful lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance. FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 19 19 Mar 2001 24. A closed mouth gathers no foot. 25. Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side & a dark side, and it holds the universe together. 26. There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works. 27. Generally speaking, you aren't learning much when your mouth is moving. 28. Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. 29. Never miss a good chance to shut up. 30. We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 20 19 Mar 2001 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jennings" To: "janis kracht" Cc: "Ward Dossche" ; ; ; "Richard Peer" ; "Malcolm Miles"; ; "Thom LaCosta"; "Ol'WDB" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 11:43 PM Subject: Re: FidoNet TradeMark (fwd) I don't get involved in local squabbles. The text should read: Fido, FidoNet and the dog-with-diskette are registered trademarks of Tom Jennings, San Francisco California, USA. The little (r) things are extraneous and should be removed, and the P.O. box mailing address is long obsolete. I'm really not interested in arguing with anyone. Trademarks can be viewed on various databases and the existence of my trademarks is easily verifyable, and not subject to arguing. I'd appreciate it if you could make these edits, really. Thanks! tomj ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, janis kracht wrote: Hello All, Today I received a request from a member of Fidonet, which I am forwarding to you. As Zone 1 Coordinator, I ask that the Zone Coorinator Council members read this note and the attached message in order to help me to convince our International Coordinator, Ward Dossche, to return the copyright and trademark statements to the zone 2 nodelist that he generates. I also request that Ward publically rescind his statement that the trademarks and copyrights held by FidoSoftware and Tom Jennings are "not valid". Ward, as the International Coordinator of Fidonet you have stated that it has been your intent to protect the name of Fidonet from misuse and abuse as far as the ownership of internet domains which carry the name of fidonet (fidonet.org, fidonet.be, etc.). Yet you have indicated that you have _discarded_ the copyright and trademark text on the zone FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 21 19 Mar 2001 2 node list, and you have stated publically that you believe that the trademarks held by Tom Jennings and FidoSoftware in the Fidonews publication and the in the nodelist are not valid. Please note: (From the nodelist) The FidoNet(r) NodeList, a listing of the systems within FidoNet. Copyright 2001, Fido Software. All rights reserved except for the following: [...] Fido(r), FidoNet(r), and the dog with diskette are registered marks of Tom Jennings and Fido Software. It has come to my attention in your post in the Fidonews echo that you have removed the copyright and trademark text from your nodelist. This is a clip from your post to Warren Bonner, current Editor of FidoNews: >WD>There is no such copyright nor is there such a trademark . When I removed that stuff from the nodelist-prolog an uproar started in zone-1, JK> Rightfully so! You are completely wrong. Attached is information that applies to the registered trademark held by Tom Jennings. It is my understanding of copyright law in the United States that once published publically and internationally, the Copyright held by the editor of Fidonews is also valid. JK> Here is the copyright statement from Fidonews: "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141, and are used with permission. JK> Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet. Fidonews is Copyright (C) 2000 by Warren Bonner JK> If you need a copy of the copyright and trademark text for the nodelist, I will be happy to send it to you. Sincerely, Janis Kracht Zone 1 Coordinator =============================================================== International coordinator, IFDC FileGate Project (service mark) http://www.filegate.net/ Mail: janis@filegate.net ftp/telnet: filegate.net icq: 25251567 FidoNet: 1:2320/38 (1-502-245-6778) Mandrake 7.2 =============================================================== -=+ ALSO +=- Contrary to statements made by IC Ward Dosche, FidoNet is a registered trademark in the United States FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 22 19 Mar 2001 Serial Number 73591035 Registration Number 1452977 1st Use Date June 18, 1984 Applicant, Registrant and Last Owner: Thomas Daniel Jennings 2269 Market Street #118 San Francisco, CA 94114 Correspondent Danield L. Appelman Heller, Ehrman, White and McAuliffe University Avenue Palo Alto, CA 94301 A similar search for Fidonet in Canada and Eurpean countries shows no entry. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ By Thom Lacosta: Therefore, I am formally requesting that the Z1C communicate with the IC and instruct him that his statements referencing no Trademark for FidoNet are inaccurate, and further that he announce in public forums that he is in error. I am further requesting that in view of the nature of the trademark for FIdonet that the IC be instructed to reinsert the trademark information in the FidoNet Nodelist, in so much as he is NOT the trademark holder of FidoNet, and therefore is not authorized to make substansive changes to a public FidoNet Document. I am formally requesting that the Z1C communicate to the organization of Zone Coordinators that they not only censure the IC for his violations of Trademark, but also that they develop a mechanism to prevent the unilateral actions of any member that may result in violations of trademark, etc. I look forward to your response. Sincerely, Thom LaCosta 1:261/1352 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 23 19 Mar 2001 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= ------------------------------------------------------ *Fidonet-related sites . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- . | FIDONET-RELATED SITES | ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- ' Last update: March 3, 2001 FidoNet Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/ Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS) FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/ General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.r10.org Net 102 http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/ Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Net 2410: http://www.vector.11.com/net2410/ Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/ Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14 Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 15: Region 16: Region 17: http://www.region17.net Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140 Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19 Net 124: http://www.dallasinet.com/net124 http://texoma.net/~flv Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130 Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) http://www.was-ist-fido.de/ Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German) Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 24 19 Mar 2001 REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/ Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) ? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/ Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz ! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English) Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5028: HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/ Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian) Net 5074: http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net ?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org Zone 4: Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) Fidonet Via Internet Hubs See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email address. The email is translated as follows firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea. Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum time between when the message is received, and when it is sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward, defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were. v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 25 19 Mar 2001 | email address or Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate | | |latency| -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c 10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c 13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c 103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c 103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c 103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr 106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ??? 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c 107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo. 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 220/10 | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c 218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c 246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c 249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c 379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr 396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS | 33.6k | n/c 2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3407/4 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k |N/C 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C 292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 26 19 Mar 2001 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c 905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * NFS = Linux Networking ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) ---------------------------------------------- Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com. All email addresses here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about obtaining a feed. Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and most especially, email addressed to blockme@relays.osirusoft.com will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 27 19 Mar 2001 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 28 19 Mar 2001 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= ***FIDONEWS INFORMATION*** + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Editor: Warren D. Bonner, 1:1/23, editor@fidonews.org | | Crash mail attached: Fidonews-Robot@1:2320/38 | | Webmaster: Jim Barchuk, jb@fidonews.org | | Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, joejared@osirusoft.com | | (Fido Via Internet Hubs column) | | Columnist: Ol' WDB, 1:103/401, wdbonner@pacbell.net | | Humor: Chuckles & Grins, emailed to editor | | Columnist: Frank Vest, 1:124/6308.1 | | Plus The best sites of the week | | Columnist: Jack Yates when in the Gawga mood | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - EDITORS EMERITI - -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince | | Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, | | Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink, | | Doug Meyers | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141, and are used with permission. Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet. Fidonews is Copyright (C) 2000 by Warren Bonner, though authors retain rights to their contributed articles. Opinions expressed by theauthors is strictly their own. Noncommercial duplication and distribution within Fidonet is encouraged. Authors are encouraged to send their articles in ASCII text to: Warren Bonner at one of his addresses above. The weekly edition of Fidonews is distributed through the file area FIDONEWS, and is published as echomail in the echo FIDONEWS. These sources are normally available through your Network Coordinator. The current and past issues are also available from the following sources: + -- -- -- -- -- -- - FIDONEWS AVAILABILITY - -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Freq FIDONEWS @ 1:140/1, or 1:396/1 | | ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ | | ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ | | http://www.fidonews.org | | email subscription: majordomo@fidonews.org | | (subject: help body: list) | FIDONEWS 18-12 Page 29 19 Mar 2001 | ftp mail: ftpmail@fidonews.org (subject: help) | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + -----------------------------------------------------------------