F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 37 11 Sep 2000 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 | | | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 Passing of a Superman .................................... 1 2. ARTICLES ................................................. 2 REC13 Election ........................................... 2 Standing the Watch ....................................... 2 ARTSPEC.DOC .............................................. 3 3. NET HUMOR ................................................ 6 Psychiatric Hotline ...................................... 6 4. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 8 Cowed Forces ............................................. 8 5. NOTICES .................................................. 9 Missing Article .......................................... 9 6. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 10 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 10 Change to Fidonet Related Sites .......................... 13 7. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 15 Masthead ................................................. 15 FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 1 11 Sep 2000 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Passing of a Superman Doug Myers In fiction, Clark Kent is the alter ego of the famous hero. For many years, Fidonet has been graced with its own Kent... though this one never changed the course of mighty rivers nor bent steel in his bare hands. In fact, Kent Anderson, though a superman to those who knew him, was not what one would consider a "power" in Fido: he was never a Coordinator, never excommunicated anyone - in fact, I don't think he was ever in the nodelist, posting from a point node most of the time I communicated with him. But Kent was a superman where it counted to many of us who cherish the echoes of Fidonet. Not only was he a prolific poster in the echoes he frequented, but he seemed to avoid the contentious style of posting that many of us fall into... and would even calm the storm if he were passing through such arguments. A man with this quality might seem a natural as an echo moderator, and that is a role Kent filled often and with distinction. He is probably best remembered for his stewardship and participation in the MEMORIES echo, though who could forget his unifying effect when he took over the troubled echo MODERATOR? Kent Anderson was a moderator's moderator in more than just title, though. Many of us remember his sage advice to other moderators, and his vision of the moderator as echo steward rather than boss. Kent passed away last Tuesday, September 5th at the age of 79. His death was not unexpected, as he'd spent his last few months in a hospice, but he'll be missed by many. It may be tempting to think of his death as a loss to Fido, but the truth is that Fidonet is forever richer for his influence. Kent was a superman where it counted most! ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 2 11 Sep 2000 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= REC13 Election Carol Shenkenberger, 1:13/0 The REC13 election has been concluded early due to only 1 candidate other than the current RC agreeing to run, and stipulating they would do so only with 2 other running mates. There were no other running mates. The reason for this is because the current RC (me) is active duty military and going to transfer earlier than initially expected. This means an early RC election. With that news already regionally known, interest is high in who will become the RC and the desires of the net show a long turnover time is what is wanted, more than discussing who will be REC. To reduce turmoil, Carol Shenkenberger, RC13 will assume REC13 duties on 15SEP00. Discussion will take place shortly in region 13 sysop echos, on who the possible candidates for RC13 will be. There have already been posts accepting to run for that position. More will be posted in FIDONEWS regarding R13 elections, in accordance with our internal regional policy as we progress to the next stage. Carol Shenkenberger, 1:13/0 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Standing the Watch Carol Shenkenberger The Navy has a tradition. It's called 'passing the watch' or 'standing the watch'. It means we all stand to train our successor and when the time comes, we pass on 'the watch'. When DavidM was so busy figuring out all the new things he needed to do as Z1C, I told him not to worry. 'I stand the watch'. I now stand the watch for DaveC and will do the traditional training of whomever the region selects to replace me. To ensure that, DaveC and I are transitioning the one aspect over quickly which leaves some 5 *months* or more before a new RC here would take over, and still leave me some 2-4 months 'here' to assist them in any way needed after that date. A wise person sees a plan that is better than their own, and adopts it . FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 3 11 Sep 2000 I do not know when we will start collecting candidates 'offically' but there's noting wrong in asking about it. We already have one poor SOB on record as willing to try (evil grin) and from netmail/other I know of at least 2 possible candidates besides him. I ask only as we move o to the next phase to remember 2 things. 1. You had no clue who I was or what I would be like when I was skyrocketed suddenly before your eyes to this. 2. The most important quality is CARING for your region enough to make extra effort to help. (Ok a 3rd, none of us have a choice in this. I'm moving out of country 'someplace' and Sasebo Japan or Yokosuka are 99% sure to be the location. So factor that in and wish me well while thinking over who will take care of you and 'stand the watch'). xxcarol RC13 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ARTSPEC.DOC Doug Myers A new revision of ARTSPEC.DOC is being distributed on the FIDONEWS echo. A focus of this revision is to eliminate some of the technical considerations which are handled by the editor anyway in the hopes of making the submission process more tempting to prospective writers. Coordinators and mail movers are encouraged to check and ensure that the normal distribution process has replaced older revisions of this document. ============= FidoNews Article Submission (September 10, 2000) FidoNews, founded in early 1984, is the newsletter of the FidoNet computer network, for both its Sysops and users. It is passed to its readers electronically via the FidoNet and other computer networks and to non-network readers as well as to the InterNet. Fidonews welcomes articles, editorials, and features of interest to the Fidonet Community. To have your article included in Fidonews, simply send it via netmail to 1:270/720 or via internet email to DougM@paonline.com. In the past, this article submission document outlined the many technical details involved in processing Fidonews articles. The assumption in the past seems to have been that articles would be automatically processed from the editor's inbound mail directly into Fidonews. However, the current editor does no automatic inbound processing; rather, each article is examined before publication and technical details are handled by the editor rather than imposed on FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 4 11 Sep 2000 the person submitting the article. It works better that way - it means that you are free to just concentrate on what you want to say. It's perfectly acceptable to simply write your article the same way you would write netmail or email. Don't worry about the stuff added by software along the way... I edit that out anyway. All I need at this end is a text message which I can read with standard software and which I can import into a standard text editor to format for the Fidonews software. Alternatively, you can file attach an ASCII text copy of your article. Here are some guidelines you can use to help me make it easier to format your article for Fidonews: 1. Use standard ASCII text. Most word processor formats can't be used by the Fidonews software. In addition, the Fidonews software won't accept most ASCII control characters nor any characters above ASCII 127 (this, unfortunately, includes all those neat box drawing characters). 2. Start your lines at the left of your screen when typing. The software puts in a left margin automatically, and I have to manually remove any left margin appearing in your document. 3. Keep your line length to under 70 columns for tables or charts (or if you include an ASCII illustration). Regular paragraphs exceeding this 70 column limit can be reformatted during the editing process, but tables and charts are normally distorted beyond recognition by a simple reformatting. 4. Separate paragraphs with a blank line. This is how my text editor recognizes paragraph endings, so I have to add blank lines manually if you don't. 5. Title your article as you'd like to see it in the Table of Contents. If you don't, I'll make up a title for you, but I'd rather have the article appear as you wish. 6. Include your name and node number (or internet address) under the title. I'll grab it from your message, if necessary... but, again, I'd rather have the article appear as you wish. 7. Check your own spelling and wording. Though I feel free to reformat your article so it conforms to technical requirements, I generally leave the wording (and spelling) alone as I don't want to distort what you have to say. 8. Send your article before Sunday in order to see it in that Monday's edition. Normally I put the newsletter together Sunday Evening and send it out... and I normally check email and netmail before I finalize the edition. So if I get your article before Sunday evening, I'll include it... but send it by Saturday to be safe :) 9. If you're not sure whether you should write or send in your article, I would encourage you to send it anyway. Chances are, if FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 5 11 Sep 2000 you write of something of interest to yourself, it'll be of interest to others. Besides, Fidonews is a better publication when it's written by a variety of people :) Douglas C. Myers Fidonews Editor ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 6 11 Sep 2000 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= Psychiatric Hotline Thanks to Roy Reed "Welcome To The Psychiatric Hotline!" If you are Type A press 1 before anyone else does. If you are obsessive compulsive, please press 1 repeatedly, just in case. If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2 for you. If you have multiple personalities, please press 3, 4, 5 and 6. If you are paranoid, we know who you are and what you want; just keep reading while we trace your brain waves. If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a little voice will tell you which # to press If you are manic-depressive, it doesn't matter which number you press, no one will answer. If you are dyslexic, press 96969696969696969696. If you have a nervous disorder, please fidget with the hash key until a representative comes on the line. If you have post-traumatic stress disorder, slowly and carefully press 000. If you have bi-polar disorder, please leave a message after the beep - or before the beep - or after the beep. Please wait for the beep. If you have attention deficit disorder, start to press ......Hello! ...Hello?!! If you have short-term memory loss, please try your call again later. If you have amnesia, press 8 and state you name, address, phone number, date of birth, social security number and your mother's and grandmother's maiden names. If you are masochistic, shove the receiver as far as you can up your left nostril. If you are sadistic, well,........you get the idea. If you are grandiose, any number you press will be superior to FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 7 11 Sep 2000 anything that anyone else might have pressed. If you are Oedipal, press 7 and your mother will answer. If you are possessed, press 666. If you are narcissistic, press 3 to hear a recording of your own voice. If you have low self-esteem, please hang up. All of our operators are far too busy to talk to you. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 8 11 Sep 2000 ================================================================= COMIX IN ASCII ================================================================= (___) (___) (___) (0 0) (0 0) (0 0) \ / \ / \ / __[_V_]__ __[_V_]__ __[_V_]__ /_________\===: /_________\===: /_________\===: \OOO---OOO/ \OOO---OOO/ \OOO---OOO/ Cowed Forces ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 9 11 Sep 2000 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= Missing Article Missing from this week's issue is the announcement about a Russion language book about Fidonet. The announcement was sent to me earlier in the week, but was irretrievably damaged due to disk failure. If the author will resend the announcement, I'll be happy to include it in the first weekly issue after receipt. My apology for the inept handling of the original. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 10 11 Sep 2000 ================================================================= INTERNET INFO ================================================================= . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- . | FIDONET-RELATED SITES | ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- ' Last update: September 10, 2000 FidoNet Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/ Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS) FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/ General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.r10.org http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/ Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Net 2410: http://www.earforce.dyndns.org/net2410/ Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/ Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14 Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 15: Region 16: Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/ Net 140: http://www.nwstar.com/~net140 Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://bise.tzo.com/r19 Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124 http://texoma.net/~flv Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130 Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.) Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) http://www.was-ist-fido.de/ Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German) Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 11 11 Sep 2000 REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/ Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) ? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/ Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz ! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English) Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5028: http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/ Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian) ?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org Zone 4: Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) Fidonet Via Internet Hubs See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email address. The email is translated as follows firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea. Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum time between when the message is received, and when it is sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward, defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were. v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com | email address or FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 12 11 Sep 2000 Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate | | |latency| -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c 10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c 12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c 103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c 103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr 106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ??? 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c 107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo. 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c 244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo 246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c 379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo 396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr 2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/2 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE | 28.8 | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c 3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 284/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE | 64k |N/C 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 13 11 Sep 2000 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * NFS = Linux Networking ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) ---------------------------------------------- Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com. All email addresses here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about obtaining a feed. Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and most especially, email addressed to blockme@relays.osirusoft.com will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Change to Fidonet Related Sites FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 14 11 Sep 2000 Gary Gilmore, 1:2410/400, notes the following change to the "Fidonet Related Sites" listing. This change has been forwarded to Joe Jared and included in this week's listing. Under Region 11, Net 2410. Previously read: Net 2410: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/ Now reads: Net 2410: http://www.earforce.dyndns.org/net2410/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 15 11 Sep 2000 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFO ================================================================= Masthead + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, DougM@paonline.com | | Webmaster: Jim Barchuk, jb@fidonews.org | | Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, jarhead@osirusoft.com | | (Fido Via Internet Hubs column) | | Columnist: Warren D. Bonner, 1:103/401, wdbonner@pacbell.net | | (Warren uses the pen name "Ol'WDB") | | Humor: Roy Reed, rcreedv@juno.com | | Features: Frank Vest, 1:124/6308.1 | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - EDITORS EMERITI - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince | | Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, | | Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141, and are used with permission. Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet. Fidonews is Copyright (C) 2000 by Douglas Myers, though authors retain rights to their contributed articles. Opinion expressed by the authors is strictly their own. Noncommercial duplication and distribution within Fidonet is encouraged. Authors are encouraged to send their articles in ASCII text to Douglas Myers at one of his addresses above. The weekly edition of Fidonews is distributed through the file area FIDONEWS, and is published as echomail in the echo FIDONEWS. These sources are normally available through your Network Coordinator. The current and past issues are also available from the following sources: + -- -- -- -- -- -- - FIDONEWS AVAILABILITY - -- -- -- -- -- -- + | | | Freq FIDONEWS @ 1:270/720, 1:140/1, or 1:396/1 | | ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ | | ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ | | http://www.fidonews.org | | email subscription: majordomo@fidonews.org | | (subject: help body: list) | | ftp mail: ftpmail@fidonews.org (subject: help) | | | + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- + FIDONEWS 17-37 Page 16 11 Sep 2000 -----------------------------------------------------------------