F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 17 24 Apr 2000 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 | | | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 Is BBSing Dead? .......................................... 1 2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2 Editorial Response - At What Age? ........................ 2 Something Special about Fido ............................. 3 Immaturity & Sysops ...................................... 3 3. ARTICLES ................................................. 5 ECHO TALK - Changes in Israel ............................ 5 ZC/2 elections starting... NOW! .......................... 5 4. COLUMNS .................................................. 10 Ol'WDB: Giving the Finger ................................ 10 This Weeks Web Page ...................................... 10 5. NET HUMOR ................................................ 13 Signs That You've Already Grown Up ....................... 13 6. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 14 Famous Cows .............................................. 14 7. NOTICES .................................................. 15 Speaking From the Heart .................................. 15 8. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 16 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 16 9. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 21 Masthead ................................................. 21 FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 1 24 Apr 2000 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Is BBSing Dead? Doug Myers Back in the late 1980's, I got onto a BBS for the first time with all the power of a 300 baud modem. I was lured by the promise of free software in abundance - but it was the online community that made this venture a lifelong hobby rather than a passing fad. I guess I'd always enjoyed interacting with people, but the interaction was never so intense as when corrosponding with people on bulletin boards. Does the internet community offer this same intensity of interaction? I really don't know as I've never fully participated in the internet. Oh, I exchange a lot of email, but most of it is with folks I've met through bbsing. Perhaps the more appropriate question is: Is the internet a substitute for BBSing? Again, I'm only asking as I don't truly know the answer... I'm an old BBSer from way back. A letter I received this week (the author declined publication) pronounced BBSing dead, as well as Fidonet. Further, he pronounced FTP and telenet to be dead ends, that folks would only point and click on the Web in the future. The author made some good points - it's certainly not a state secret that folks have embraced the internet and that the local bbs just isn't visited any more. And I've long agreed that a Fidonet which depends on BBSing as it was in the past won't survive. However, Fidonet still carries the sense of community which BBSing held when I first got into it. Further, I've not heard of folks on the internet telling me about that - so I'm presuming it doesn't exist or hasn't formed yet. Now here's a sense of direction for the future: if Fidonet can successfully maintain this sense of community, possibly even carrying it to the internet, then Fido will never die. However, Fido right now is composed of a lot of us who remember the spirit of BBSing... and there won't be many of us left as time goes by with the BBS a thing of the past. Just as we needed BBS users in the past to make our community come alive, so we'll need the "point and clickers" in the future. Are we doing anything to embrace them? ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 2 24 Apr 2000 ================================================================= LETTERS TO THE EDITOR ================================================================= Editorial Response - At What Age? Echomail From the Fidonews Conference Nahum Wengrov, 2:402/633 Responding to what FidoNews Robot wrote to All, about FidoNews 17:16 [01/07]: Editorial, on 17 Apr 00, 00:16 FR> So at what age is one sufficiently mature to post in a Fidonet FR> echo? I don't know about Fidonet, but we have here in Israel 2 local Fido-style networks in Hebrew. The average age of most active participants is 16. The youngest participants to write regularly were 12 when they joined. English is a second language here, and I don't think there are many teenagers here fluent enough in English to enjoy reading, let alone writing, in an international English network. Perhaps that's the reason why most of Ultinet and C-net members don't bother to write in Fidonet. FR> Nineteen isn't such a bad age. Though the age seems far away FR> to me at the age of 53, I seem to recall that I had most of my FR> language skills developed by that age and had a good general FR> idea of how people interacted. While I've got to admit that FR> subsequent life experience has modified my approach to things, FR> I believe that at the age of 19 I was sufficiently mature to FR> enter conversations as an adult. But then, I wasn't online FR> then... I was nineteen in the sixties and hardly anyone was FR> online then! Especially, I wasn't interacting in a hobby which FR> has somewhat passed its prime and whose participants tend to FR> middle age rather than youth. I was a Yeshiva (Rabbinical College) student at the age of 19, in the 70's. I didn't own or have access to a computer yet. I got my first computer when I was 25, and only bought a modem a few years later. It took me a few years of modeming to discover the Fido-style mail networks here. By now, BBS's in Israel are mail-only or dead. The majority of C-net participants already polls their mail from their 2 Internet hubs. The future is in the Internet. FR> Imagine... the future of Fido is in the hands of a sysop who FR> goes by the handle of Black Death. Kinda scary, eh? In a few years he'll probably change his handle :) FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 3 24 Apr 2000 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Something Special about Fido Email to the Editor Bruce Anderson For some reason, decided to check out Fidonet presence on the net a couple of days ago, and was pleasantly surprised. As part of Fidonet for about 8 years, (86-94?), and as the NC of Net 342 (Region 17), I cherish the time spent in the Fidonet community. Changing priorities resulted in me dropping Fidonet activities, but I'm glad to see Fidonet is, in this day and age of the Internet, thriving. (Some may question that description, but all things considered...) Fidonet does have something special. Keep that in mind. Bruce Anderson (Past NC of Net 342 - Fort McMurray, AB, Canada Presently of Gladstone, Queensland, Australia). shale@bigpond.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Immaturity & Sysops Email to the Editor Michael Adams michaeladams@mail.com Immaturity is irrelevant to young age. Here in Florida, there used to be a number of young sysops here. Around 1997, a guy shut down a system he ran since age 12. Around 1996, I started using BBS' and ran one from 7-1996 to 3-1999: Fidonet 1:374/163; the Slug BBS. My age at bootup: 15. My age before shutdown: 17 (18 in May). We need the young people. We also need young people who could use their cable modems to run Telnettable BBS', as Internet is here to stay, and there won't be any 374 net 2 years from now. But that's another issue, and one that may be interesting. Long live the BBS'! Michael Adams Former Sysop, The Slug BBS, 1:374/163 --------------- Editor: There's a corrolation between age and immaturity to my experience, as I find most young people refreshingly unencumbered by excessive maturity. If I want to try something new or innovative, I FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 4 24 Apr 2000 value a bit of immaturity. The "mature" response to innovation is that the old way was good enough. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 5 24 Apr 2000 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= . -- -- -- -- -- ECHO TALK -- -- -- -- -- . | Food for thought from Fido's echomail. | | Purloined without permission by D Myers | ` -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- -- -- -- -- -- ' Changes in Israel Nahum Wengrov 2:402/633 Hello All, I have been dethroned. The Emperor of region 2:40 decided to disband all nets in the region and unite them under his domain. I am to become 2:400/633, and lose my NC status about a month after having acquired it :) I personally agree with this move. In a place such as Israel, where most people don't write English unless they are forced to do so, dividing Fidonet into nets, with most of them having only one hub and a few nodes, simply doesn't make sense. Especially since the volume of mail is small enough and the modems are fast enough to make the difference in the phone bill really insignificant. Also, in the 3rd millenium, almost anyone who has a computer has internet access. More and more old-style bbs'es here in Israel are closing down. The majority of the participants of C-net, our major local Fido-style Hebrew network, are already polling mail (echomail, netmail, and file echoes) from the two Internet hubs. In another 2 weeks, our national phone company, Bezeq, will allow users to access the Internet for a flat rate of $25 per month. This will allow more Fidonet hubs (like me) to stay online 24/7, allowing their downlinks to poll mail through the Internet. This will make the division of the region into separate nets even more ridiculous than it is today. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ZC/2 elections starting... NOW! By Jan Vermeulen, RC/28 The following message was published in the REGCON.EUR (Zone 2) area on Fri 21 Apr 2000 - it was also sent to all individual RCs in Z2. Colleagues, Too long a time has passed since Ward announced the ZC/2 elections based on the formation of an elections committee; for a number of reasons this did not work as was expected by all concerned -- nobody FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 6 24 Apr 2000 can really be blamed forthis, least of all Ward himself, who, time and again, has used his virtual whip in order to get progress where none was visible. Oh well, finally this message marks the kick off of the ZC/2 elect- ions, with me as your Receiving Officer and DavidRance as the Verification Officer. Mailing addresses are at the end of this message. The Schedule: ------------- Call for candidates 22.04.2000 - 05.05.2000 Soap boxes published 06.05.2000 Discussions 06.05.2000 - 31.05.2000 Regional referenda 31.05.2000 - 13.06.2000 Votes by RCs 06.06.2000 - 19.06.2000 Results published 20.06 [if a second round is needed] Regional referenda 20.06.2000 - 27.06.2000 Votes by RCs 27.06.2000 - 04.07.2000 Results published 05.07 Starting dates are considered to commence at 00:00 UTC Ending dates are considered to end at 23:59 UTC Echomail areas used for the discussions: ---------------------------------------- REGCON.EUR and ENET.SYSOP Current rules for those areas remain in force. Who may be a candidate: ----------------------- Any sysop of Zone 2 region 20 thru 54 whose system is not Pvt, Hold or Down may run for ZC/2. Sysops of non-CM systems are expected to promise that, when elected, they will upgrade to CM before taking this most important office in our zone. Who may vote: ------------- The Region Coordinators of Zone 2 Regions 20 .. 54. Ideally, an RC's vote should reflect the result of a referendum they will have held in their Region. What the vote should look like: FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 7 24 Apr 2000 ------------------------------- By: John F Coordinator 2:nn/0 To: ZC-vote 2:28/0 Re: My vote --------------------------------- ! What password to use: --------------------- Each RC will be provided by crashed netmail with a password that (s)he must use in order to have his/her vote validated. Where candidates can send their application and RCs can send their votes: ------------------------------------------------------------ The vote may be sent (in descending order of preference and degree of security): (1) by crash netmail to the Receiving Officer at 2:28/0 (it may be prudent to force as V32bis session...) (2) by fax to 31-75-6401600. (Make sure you use a legible typeface at 12 points at least for my scanner and OCR software to make a correct conversion). (3) by email to j.vermeulen@hot.a2000.nl (4) by routed netmail to the Receiving Officer at 2:28/0 Who may participate in the Regional Referendum: ----------------------------------------------- The Sysops of all systems that are not Pvt, Hold or Down and having a valid telephone number for the Region in question. Regardless of the number of systems operated, a Sysop will have one vote. How the result of the elections will be calculated: --------------------------------------------------- Each Region has one vote. A vote that is not for one of the candidates will be invalid and shall not influence the results in any way. In the first round, the sucessful candidate must have more than 50% of the votes cast and valid. If such result is not obtained, a second round will be run FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 8 24 Apr 2000 between a minimum of two candidates; the list of candidates is compounded as follows: votes for: rerun between: ---------------------------- --------------------------- cand_1 > cand_2 > cand_3 ... cand_1 and cand_2 cand_1 = cand_2 > cand_3 ... cand_1 and cand_2 cand_1 = cand_2 = cand_3 ... cand_1 and cand_2 and cand_3 cand_1 > cand_2 = cand_3 ... cand_1 and cand_2 and cand_3 The successful candidate will be who has the most votes. In case of a tie after the secound round, lots will be drawn in the following way: . prior to the start of the second round of voting, the RO will have sent a list of four numbers between 0 and 100 to a trusted third party (TTP) who is neither RC nor candidate and whose name will not be revealed until needed. . each candidate surviving the second round will send his/her own set of 4 numbers to the RO who will request the VO to compare them with the list he will receive from the TTP. . the successfull candidate's set of numbers will be closest to the sum of the numbers or, if there is still a draw, closest to the first of the composing numbers, e.g. numbers are 34 67 88 91 sum = 280 cand_1 has 37 61 94 87 sum = 279 dev 3 6 6 4 cand_2 has 31 61 91 98 sum = 281 dev 3 6 3 7 ---------------------^^ wins Crossposting: ------------- To ENET.SYSOP and REGCON.EUR Please post also to your local sysops areas in preparation of the referendum you will run. Mailing addresses: ------------------ Jan Vermeulen Fidonet 2:28/0 Email j.vermeulen@hot.a2000.nl Fax 31-75-6401600 David Rance Fidonet 2:25/0 -=<[ JV ]>=- FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 9 24 Apr 2000 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 10 24 Apr 2000 ================================================================= COLUMNS ================================================================= "SAYINGS" `Worth reading' wdbonner@pacbell.net A Little history lesson for you...History of Giving the Finger: _ /'_/ ,/_ / / / /'_'/' '/'__'7, /'/ / / /" /_\ ('( ' ' _~/' ') \ ' / '\' \ _.7' \ ( \ \ Giving the Finger Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore those with no middle finger would be incapable of fighting in the future. This famous weapon was made of the native English Yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the yew" (or "pluck yew"). Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the defeated French, saying, "See, we can still pluck yew! PLUCK YEW!" Since "pluck yew" is rather difficult to say, the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental fricative 'F', and thus the words often used in conjunction with the one-finger-salute are mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate encounter. It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows used with the longbow that the symbolic gesture is known as "giving the bird." And yew thought yew knew everything about fingers! 8^) ----------------------------------------------------------------- This Weeks Web Page by Frank Vest 1:124/6308(.1) What: Jazzmasters Strange Facts & Useless Information FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 11 24 Apr 2000 Where: http://members.tripod.com/~Mitchell_J/ Ok... This isn't exactly a Fidonet page. :) It is the page of a friend and Point of mine. Please forgive my wandering off like this. :-) Here's a cut and paste about the pages: -------- cut -------- I've been collecting these little stories, facts, and bits of useless information for quite some time and thought it was time to share a few of them with everyone. Feel free to E-mail me if you have any suggestions or any strange facts you might think need to be posted here as well. ----------------------------- For those who may be interested, I also have a humor mailing list you can subscribe to. Simply send a blank e-mail (or click on the graphic below) with the word "Subscribe R" or "Subscribe PG" in the subject line and you'll be set! ---- uncut --------- Ok... so why did I put this page in the Fidonews? Because it's there?! :) Real reason is, "Just a break from the usual". I've know Randy (Jazzmaster) since my BBS in Texas was named "The Musicians' Forum". He called, left me a message, we met and he became a Point off of my BBS. We've been friends since. As you might have guessed, Randy is a musician... and a darn site better one than I'll ever be! That should explain his page and the sense of humor involved better than anything I could write. :) After many years "on the road" in music, I'd bet there isn't much Randy hasn't seen or heard. Enough about that. The page The page is just what it says... "Strange Facts and Useless Information". There are links to page after page of this stuff. I will warn you that some of the pages are adult type information and you might want to be careful if this would offend you. Otherwise, look, click and laugh or be amazed at this stuff. :) There is a nice midi song that is played on the main page. You might or might not know it ("What a Wonderful World") and a guest book as well as an ICQ link and information. FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 12 24 Apr 2000 When you visit the page, be sure to sign the guest book and tell him you got lost.... er heard about the page in the Fidonews. I'm sure I'll hear about that. :-)) Have fun, read, learn, laugh and pray for me when Randy finds out I did this. :) I'll get back on the Fidonet stuff next week (I hope). With insane regards, Frank flv@texoma.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 13 24 Apr 2000 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= Top 25 Signs That You've Already Grown Up Thanks to Lynn Gipson 1. Your potted plants stay alive. 2. Fooling around in a twin sized bed is absurd. 3. You keep more food than beer in the fridge. 4. 6:00 AM is when you get up, not when you go to sleep. 5. You hear your favorite song on an elevator. 6. You carry an umbrella. You watch the Weather Channel. 7. Your friends marry and divorce instead of hookup and breakup. 8. You go from 130 days of vacation time to 7. 9. Jeans and a sweater no longer qualify as 'dressed up'. 10. You're the one calling the police because those darn kids next door don't know how to turn down the stereo. 11. Older relatives feel comfortable telling sex jokes around you. 12. You don't know what time Taco Bell closes anymore. 13. Your car insurance goes down and your car payments go up. 14. You feed your dog Science Diet instead of McDonald's. 15. Sleeping on the couch makes your back hurt. 16. You no longer take naps from noon to 6 p.m. 17. Dinner and a movie - The whole date instead of the beginning of one. 18. MTV News is no longer your primary source for information. 19. You go to the drugstore for Ibuprofen and antacids, not condoms and pregnancy tests. 20. A $4.00 bottle of wine is no longer 'pretty good stuff,' 21. You actually eat breakfast foods at breakfast time. 22. Grocery lists are longer than macaroni & cheese, diet Pepsi & Ho-Ho's. 23. "I just can't drink the way I used to" replaces "I'm never going to drink that much again." 24. Over 90% of the time you spend in front of a computer is for real work. 25. You don't drink at home to save money before going to a bar. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 14 24 Apr 2000 ================================================================= COMIX IN ASCII ================================================================= Famous Cows (__) (__) (oo) ------------------------- (oo) /-------\/ - | Don't have a Bart, man! | /-------\/ / | || ------------------------- / | || * ||----|| * (.)(.)|| ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ The Simpsons' cow Dolly Parton's Cow ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 15 24 Apr 2000 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= Speaking From the Heart Doug Myers Okay, I'm not really speaking from the heart, I'm speaking about it. At the time you read this, I will probably be in the local hospital. The good news is that it won't be for the open heart surgery I mentioned a while back. The various doctors, in conference, decided that a procedure called baloon angioplasty could accomplish the same healing. The difference is that the angioplasty only requires an overnight stay in the hospital and a few days off work (instead of the three month's unemployment I was preparing for). My thanks to Bobby Queen and Peter Karlsson for offering to put out Fidonews in the event that I was unable. Hopefully I'll be able for a long time to come, but it's good to know that there's backup if needed :) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 16 24 Apr 2000 ================================================================= INTERNET INFO ================================================================= ! = New entries this week ? = not responding ?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- . | FIDONET-RELATED SITES | ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- ' Last update: April 1, 2000 FidoNet Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/ ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ Echolist: http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/ Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html SDS Files: http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS) FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/ General: http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html List server: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/ Net 203: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Net 2410: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/net2410/ Region 12: http://sparkys.dyndns.org Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Net 275: http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/ Region 14: http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14 Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 15: Region 16: Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/ Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124 http://texoma.net/~flv Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130 Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.) Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 17 24 Apr 2000 Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German) Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/ Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) ? Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/ Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz ! Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English) Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5028: http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/ Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian) ?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org Zone 4: Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) Fidonet Via Internet Hubs See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email address. The email is translated as follows firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea. Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum time between when the message is received, and when it is sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward, defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 18 24 Apr 2000 after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were. v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com | email address or Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate | | |latency| -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c 10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c 12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c 103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP | 384k,!| n/c 103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr 106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c 107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo. 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c 244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo 246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c 271/140 @ Tom Barstow | UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c 396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo 396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr 2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c 2624/306 @ David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/2 @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE | 28.8 | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c 3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 284/800 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE | 64k |N/C 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c FIDONEWS 17-17 Page 19 24 Apr 2000 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.isonline.com irc.killaz-r-us.com irc.korombos.org ---------------------------------------------- Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com. 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