F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 43 25 Oct 1999 +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-717-732-6820 1:270/720 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720 | | | (*) | \ )) | DougM@paonline.com | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 Contributions ............................................ 1 2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2 Joke from Andrei Fomenk .................................. 2 "via Internet" suggestion by Joe Hillebrandt ............. 2 Fido is Fun and a Web of Intrigue ........................ 3 3. ARTICLES ................................................. 4 On the Subject of Beer ................................... 4 IP Nodes And The Nodelist ................................ 5 Beating on the ThomToms .................................. 7 4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 9 The Name of Ghandi ....................................... 9 5. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 10 Hallowe'en Cows .......................................... 10 6. NOTICES .................................................. 11 Future History ........................................... 11 7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 12 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 12 Fidonet Via Internet Hubs ................................ 13 8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 16 Masthead ................................................. 16 FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 1 25 Oct 1999 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Contributions Fidonews won't begin with a hard-hitting editorial this week. The usualy muckraking has taken a back seat to a higher priority. I had lots of contributions, and I wanted to make sure to say "Thanks." Take a look through the issue and see if you don't agree that it's richer for the variety of input. I'm hoping this idea catches on... ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 2 25 Oct 1999 ================================================================= LETTERS TO THE EDITOR ================================================================= NOTE: This Message was originally addressed to mbox BBS from Andrei Fomenko and was forwarded to Fidonews by John Hentsch --------------- Well, It's just a test to write to another zone (#1 from #2) and a humorous thing too. I hope you like it. May be you'll post it. OR NOT! :-) A plane folls down. People inside of the plane are worried. The Stuardess says: "If one man jump out of the plane we won't foll down and everybody will survive..." There was an American citizen. He told I'll resque all of ya! Gimme whisky!" He drank it and beeing shaky jumped out shouting "FOR AMERICA!".... The plane kept folling down:-( There was a Franch man. He told: "OK, I'll resque all of you! Give me wine." He drank a LOT OF wine and jumped out shouting "FOR FRANCE!!"... But the plane still kept folling dawn :~~-( There was a Russian man. He told: "Hey! I'll resque all of you. Where is my Russian vodka?" He drank two bottles and shouting "For Africa" pushed out two black people out..... I hope you liked it. --------------- Ed: But is it politically correct? :) ----------------------------------------------------------------- "via Internet" suggestion by Joe Hillebrandt Email originally to Joe Jared --------------- Joe, First, I'd like to thank you for helping Doug with the Fidonews stuff. As a reader (and habitual lurker), I want you to know that your efforts are appreciated, and read as well! I have an observation and suggestion that I would like to share with you, for action (or not!) as you see fit. Each week, we receive a listing of those kind individuals who make the Fido echomail feeds available via the internet. The list includes node numbers, names, connection details, and the price of the service. The one item it does not include is an internet EMail address to contact these indiviuals for more information. While one could always crashmail (or netmail) a message to them, it would seem logical that someone providing Fido services via the internet should also be contacted via the internet (through EMail). FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 3 25 Oct 1999 Would it be possible to include EMail addresses (where available) for these individuals or companies listed? Tis just a thought... for your consideration... Again, thank you for all your efforts to keep Fido happy and healthy! Joe Hillebrandt jmh@jmh.cc 1:363/341 --------------- Ed: Joe Jared responded to this, but , unfortunately, I lost the copy I had. However, Joe responded even more eloquently by action. Check out the "virtual email" addresses in Joe's Fidonet by Internet Hubs column. These were actually introduced last week. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Netmail from Steve Asher @ 3:800/432 --------------- Hi Douglas! I enjoyed the current FidoNews, esp the Dr Thom / Mr Hide editorial, & used the lot for a log-on bulletin to show users that Fido can be fun as well as a web of intrigue. :) Cheers, Steve.. --------------- ED: I was hoping to give you an article which showed higher purpose. I was hoping to write an article about how Mother Theresa had signed on as a zone coordinator and had dedicated her zone to the improvement of the intellectually impoverished. But she didn't get around to it before she left her last office :( ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 4 25 Oct 1999 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= ON THE SUBJECT OF BEER Thanks to Warren Bonner wdbonner@pacbell.net It was the accepted practice in Babylon 4,000 years ago that for a month after the wedding, the bride's father would supply his son-in-law with all the mead he could drink. Mead is a honey beer, and because their calendar was lunar based, this period was called the "honey month" or what we know today as the "honeymoon". Before thermometers were invented, brewers would dip a thumb or finger into the mix to find the right temperature for adding yeast. Too cold, and the yeast wouldn't grow. Too hot, and the yeast would die. This thumb in the beer is where we get the phrase "rule of thumb". In English pubs, ale is ordered by pints and quarts. So in old England, when customers got unruly, the bartender would yell at them to mind their own pints and quarts and settle down. It's where we get the phrase "mind your P's and Q's". Beer was the reason the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock. It's clear from the Mayflower's log that the crew didn't want to waste beer looking for a better site. The log goes on to state that the passengers "were hasted ashore and made to drink water that the seamen might have the more beer". After consuming a bucket or two of vibrant brew they called aul, or ale, the Vikings would head fearlessly into battle often without armor or even shirts. In fact, the term "berserk" means "bare shirt" in Norse, and eventually took on the meaning of their wild battles. In 1740, Admiral Vernon of the British fleet decided to water down the rum. Needless to say, the sailors weren't too pleased and called Admiral Vernon Old Grog, after the stiff wool grogram coats he wore. The term "grog" soon began to mean the watered down drink itself. When you were drunk on this grog, you were "groggy", a word still in use today. Many years ago in England, pub frequenters had a whistle baked into the rim or handle of their ceramic cups. When they needed a refill, they used the whistle to get some service. "Wet your whistle", is the phrase inspired by this practice. In the Middle Ages, "nunchion" was the word for liquid lunches. It was a combination of the words "noon scheken", or noon drinking. In those days, a large chunk of bread was called lunch. So if you ate bread with your nunchion, you had what we still today call a luncheon. Things you didn't know about beer. Ol'WDB FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 5 25 Oct 1999 ----------------------------------------------------------------- IP Nodes And The Nodelist By Jack Yates; N3613C 1:3613/1275 Last week I noticed that a new node had been added to FidoNet, 1:345/4; Michael Wendell. Michael's node is IP (internet presence) only and cannot be called via Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS); Net 345 is in Hawaii, The Net Coordinator (NC) is Todd Cochrane who provides FidoNet echomail feeds to about 79 nodes and nets, and by doing so is a definite asset to our network and our hobby. Michael lives in Charlotte NC, within the service area of an active net. Why, I questioned, did the N345C nodelist Michael in his net rather than contact the N379C or the R18C; I sent a netmail to Mr. Cochrane advising him that I had seen this addition to his net and stated that it was my opinion that it was his duty as a Net Coordinator to contact the proper NC and/or RC and advise those people that the SysOp was in need of a node number rather than to list him in a net thousands of miles from his residence. This message was CC'd to the N379C and R18C AS an "FYI." and posted in the echo, Z1C. Mr. Cochrane's response was timely and stated (in substance) that "the SysOp had tried to find the NC but got no response; if someone wanted to get on the ball and list him, no problem." The scenario should end right here as the node is being listed in the proper net, but it didn't; there are several members that feel that a node should be able to be listed where s/he gets his/her feed; traffic in Z1C has increased. As someone's tagline states: "If you aren't catching flak, you are not on target." I must have made a direct hit; this is further evidenced by the actions of the RC's involved, and the Z1C. The underlying question in a lot of this echomail is "Why didn't you just leave this alone?" Because it's my opinion that this exemption would be harmful to FidoNet. Other questions and statements have been, and my opinions are: "Why can't he belong to that net as that's where he gets his feed." I know that it's a thorn in the side of some of the membership but we *do* have a Policy document and all Coordinators are obligated to uphold it. Policy 4.07 says that the networks will be defined geographically, not according to where the node gets its feed. "He's IP-only, how can he get his Host-Routed Netmail (HRN) if he's in a local net and the NC doesn't have IP capabilities." FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 6 25 Oct 1999 Don't be so sure that the NC does not, or that an NEC cannot connect with an IP node. If either of these people are polling for mail via Internet FTP, chances are they are capable of connecting. If the NC has no internet account or is not capable of FTP or e-mail transfers for any reason, the nodes HRN can be held at the RC-s node for pickup or delivery via FTP. Failing all of this, the RC can, by editing his route file, redirect the messages to the RC of the Region the node's net is in, thence to the node's feed. "What difference does it make what net he's in? It's an increase in the membership. why make it difficult for him?" What's difficult? The SysOp wants in, he can't find the Net Coordinator but the Sysop who runs the hub knows who it is and knows who the RC is as he has a nodelist; send a netmail to the NC or RC, advise the SysOp of the NC's address and coach him, if necessary, on how to submit the application. "If we didn't have such narrow-minded people and all these rules, we would see a turn-around in the decline in FidoNet." First, I'm not narrow-minded; When I have to read P4, I am looking for things that it does not say because if it isn't there, we are not told that we can't do it. Unfortunately, we are told how we must list our nodes. Second, if we didn't have *any* rules, it would make little or no difference in the decline in Fido; local BBSs, as most anyone will tell you, are a thing of the past as the Internet beckons the users; the nodes in Z1 are leaving primarly due to the lack of callers, not because of the rules. Third: Because Policy 4 says we cannot do this. There is a minority of SysOps that would choose to ignore Policy and do as they please, thinking that by doing so Policy 4 will be declared as unworkable or unnecessary. I don't think that this will make Policy go away. Lets say that in your neighborhood there's a 4-way stop sign, the East-west road is well traveled, the North-South roadway is abandoned, there are barricades, grass grows up through the pavement. You ae on the East-West road, you know the North-South road is abandoned so you don't stop at the stop sign. Uh-oh! Blue lights, pull over, citation. Now tell the judge that the stop sign is not needed, too restrictive, or outdated and see what it gets you. Or go to the Department of Public Works, the governing body of the political subdivision ad request the signs be removed and show them why they are no longer necessary and it's quite likely that the signs will go away. At this writing, the Z1C is asking for input regarding a new Policy FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 7 25 Oct 1999 document; tell him what you want, substantiate your reasons for wanting it and see if it will be considered. While you wait, however, keep stopping at the stop sign. "The IC has said that all geographical exemptions are pre-granted pending someone proving that the exception would cause harm to the net." Yes, he did, but I feel that to allow an exemption for the reason given would be harmful as, if allowed to stand, a precedent has been established; "You allowed So-and-So to do it, you have to allow me to do it as well." Soon the nodelist becomes fragmented with listings scattered in all parts of the world as part of what were once local nets. What if we have nodes that feed from, say net 000, who are in other Zones and have Zone 1 nodelistings? The NCs and RCs are responsible for the smooth operation of there Networks/Regions; how can one discharge that responsibility if there are nodes that are, say, in India, Australia, or other, perhaps non-English-speaking or `English as a second language' areas? I can almost hear the screams of (for instance) the Zone 2 Coordinator the first time a Zone 1 NC lists a node in Russia, or the Zone 3 Coordinator, should I list my point in Queensland as a member of net 3613, near Columbus, Georgia, USA, not to mention the howls of anguish from my RC if I were to do so. I think a better method of accomodating IP-only nodes already exists under the auspices of the Zone Coordinator who has listed several in the 1:1/3000 block of the nodelist. There may be other workable options that can be implemented that don't conflict with current Policy. I urge those of the membership who are more aware than I am of the features and confines of IP-only nodes to work out a reasonable solution. Until then, I suggest that the *Cs accomodate new nodes as speedily and painlessly as possible, but within the bounds stated in Policy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Beating on the ThomToms Doug Myers I doubt that I've had more response to any editorial than I did from last week's "Dr. Thom and Mr... hide?" While it's clear that I'd continue to draw more interest towards Fidonews with my muckraking than, say, Joe Jared would with his excellent work on the Internet listings... I wanted to save the editorial this week for another purpose. However, I feel that I owe readers a report on some of the response I've gotten. * * * On the "more bad news for Thom" side if the discussion, some observers have noted discrepancies in the ELISTing. ELADD.TXT is a report circulated with the ELISTING, and details additions by FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 8 25 Oct 1999 ECHOBASE, the elist software. The discrepancy noted is that at least some of the echoes acquired by Tom Knowles were listed in ELADD.TXT without a moderator, while other echoes acquired or added by other moderators were listed with that name. Matt Bedynek has a working copy of ECHOBASE installed on his system, and reports that he could only simulate this discrepancy by burning the echoes manually, and feels from his experience that manual intervention would have been necessary on Thom's system too. * * * Though Thom LaCosta has been mostly silent since the controversy started, and has certainly not responded to anything written in Fidonews so far, he did post in Z1_Coordinator on the subject. He acknowledges that Tom Knowles accesses his sysop editor through a doorway program, and acknowledges that this would give Tom access to functions not normally available to users. However, he maintains that there has been no such abuse, and that user access is his business only. * * * Supporting Thom and Tom is one reader who prefers to remain anonymous. He maintains that Thom and Tom are separate individuals, though he wasn't free to tell how he knows that. This reader points out that there is insufficient evidence presented to prove this, and makes two observations: 1. That the echoes REC, Z1_BACKBONE, and ZEC have been turned over to proper moderators upon polite request. 2. That there has been no harm in any of Thom LaCosta's "playing" with the ELIST, even if any of the allegations are true. Certainly he has "played" less than his predecessor, Adrian Walker. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 9 25 Oct 1999 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= The Name of Ghandi Thanks to Ruth Argust 1:2404/201 Mahatma Ghandi walked barefoot everywhere, to the point that his feet became quite thick and hard. He also was quite a spiritual person. Even when he was not on a hunger strike, he did not eat much and became quite thin and frail. Furthermore, due to his diet, he wound up with very bad breath. Therefore: he came to be known as a................. "Super calloused fragile mystic plagued with halitosis." ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 10 25 Oct 1999 ================================================================= COMIX IN ASCII ================================================================= Hallowe'en Cows... (___) (o o) __\_/__ (__) //^^*^^\ _____| oo | / * \ / | / | * | \ / | \ |=====| / /____________| "|_____|" ^^ ^^ | | | Cow dressed up | | | as ghost |_|_| ^ ^ COWNT ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 11 25 Oct 1999 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= Future History 26 Oct 1999 Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles. 31 Dec 1999 Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed. 1 Jan 2000 The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec. 1 Jun 2000 EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens. 15 Sep 2000 Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens. 21 Sep 2000 10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR) 1 Jan 2001 This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E. -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 12 25 Oct 1999 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- . | FIDONET-RELATED SITES | ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- ' Last update: Oct 8, 1999 FidoNet Homepage: http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews: http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] ftp://sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ WWW sources: http://travel.to/fidonet/ FTSC page: http://www.ftsc.org/ General: http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html List server: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html http://www.tnl-online.com/andy/rgn10.htm Net 103: http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/ Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm Net 264: http://www.net264.org/ Region 14: Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/ Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/ Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19 Net 124: http://www.startext.net/np/net124 http://texoma.net/~flv Net 130: http://www.startext.net/homes/net130 Net 393: http://www.chatter.com/~wb/ Zone 1 Elist http://members.xoom.com/echolist/ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German) Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German) Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/ Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 42: http://www.fido.cz Region 47: http://www.autostop.lt (Lithuanian) Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 13 25 Oct 1999 Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian) (No netscape) Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org Zone 4: Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) ---------------------------------------------- Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com, and complaints to jarhead@osirusoft.com . ----------------------------------------------------------------- Last Updated: 10/11/1999 Fidonet Via Internet Hubs A new feature has been added to this list. a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email address. The email is translated as follows firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea. v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | T1? | $??/$10 12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP | aDSL | n/c 105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP | aDSL | $5/$15 mo. 106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | 64k | $5/mo 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP | T3 | $5/$16 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 211/417 @ Korombos | BinkD,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c 270/101 @ George Peace | FTP | 6mbps | $20mo. 271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 14 25 Oct 1999 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 345/0 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c 396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $10/mo 396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr 2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn 2424/101 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1 | n/c 2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+ | n/c 2624/306 @ D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3639/93 | Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP | 128K+ | n/c 3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 3803/1 @ Ben Ritchey | UUE | 56k | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 23/999 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | ??? | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 292/626 | Filip Ruymen | Binkp, UUE | 128K+ | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | ??? | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 15 25 Oct 1999 -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 16 25 Oct 1999 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= FIDONEWS MASTHEAD Fidonews Staff: Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, DougM@paonline.com Webmaster: Jim Barchuk, jb@fidonews.org Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, jarhead@osirusoft.com (Fido Via Internet Hubs column) Editors Emeriti: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink ------------------------------------------------------ FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. 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"Disagreement is actually necessary, or we'd all have to get in fights FIDONEWS 16-43 Page 18 25 Oct 1999 or something to amuse ourselves and create the requisite chaos." -Tom Jennings -----------------------------------------------------------------