F I D O N E W S -- Volume 15, Number 35 31 August 1998 +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | +27-41-515-913 [5:5/23] | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: | | | (*) | \ )) | Henk Wolsink 5:7104/2 | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: FidoNews Editor 5:5/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> editor@fidonews.org | | | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of FidoNews or the internet gateway FAQ | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 2. NET HUMOR ................................................ 2 Survivor's Guide to the SUPER-BITCH conference ........... 2 3. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 4 Announcing the SUPER-BITCH echo .......................... 4 4. NOTICES .................................................. 6 5. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 8 6. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 11 FIDONEWS 15-35 Page 1 31 Aug 1998 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Greetings, Why is it that the echo, ECHOLIST, is used for announcing echo's not remotely related to FidoNet? Seen quite a few of FamilyNet passing in it. Does anyone care to enlighten me please? Happy reading. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-35 Page 2 31 Aug 1998 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= Survivor's Guide to the SUPER-BITCH conference Douglas Myers 1:270/720 doug@mdtnbbs.com Bitches have been with us always, but they are no longer considered chattel. Not only have they emancipated themselves over the last few centuries, but now they are finding, from within their ranks, those who epitomize the essence of all that is bitchin'. These Super-Bitches have their own conference on Fido now! We've been able to hold off the bitches in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century with promises of equality. But with the advent of the Super-Bitches, such a gambit no longer works. No self-respecting Super-Bitch will settle for mere equality. Of course, us guys _could_ survive by avoiding the bitches altogether. And now that we've had our little laugh, lets get into a practical technique. Write this down and memorize it: Survival amoungst the Super-Bitches is basically a matter of being henpecked. Since I have over a quarter-century devoted to the practical application of this technique, I'd like to discuss it briefly (if it's okay with the Super-Bitches, that is)... Be yourself when you enter the echo. While it may be tempting to keep your attitude and behavior under control at first, you still have a quota of faults to maintain. If you don't display them, the Super-Bitches will assign sufficient to bring you up to snuff. So just be yourself and, above all, don't ask permission for it - a Super-Bitch will just figure you're trying to limit her right to bitch about it later. Of course, you'll find yourself in confrontation anyway - did you expect less from _this_ conference? But you _can_ survive if you keep these techniques in mind: 1. Don't panic. You're not expected to understand the arguement, and it will change frequently anyway. 2. Don't rely on the echo rules as a guideline. Don't even bother reading them. You're only expected to know one rule - the one that was just made up for you. 3. Memorize the phrase "Yes, Dear" and utter it in a resigned tone each time the Super-Bitch pauses. She's checking to make sure that you're not paying attention. You may be tempted to argue back, but keep in mind that 50,000 bitches can't be wrong. There aren't actually that many connected to the echo, of course, but do _you_ want to be the one to bring that up? --- FIDONEWS 15-35 Page 3 31 Aug 1998 -- | Fidonet: Douglas Myers 1:270/720@fidonet.org | Internet: doug@mdtnbbs.com | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. | From Mdtn_BBS @mdtnbbs.com [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-35 Page 4 31 Aug 1998 ================================================================= ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ================================================================= ANNOUNCING THE SUPER-BITCH ECHO - stolen from Ruth Argust The text below was extracted from announcements on several echos. When I suggested to Ruth that an announcement in Fidonews would be appropriate, she responded in true super-bitch tradition. Her response, to "stuff it" was interpreted by this reporter as permission to print her material. -------------------------------- For the time of your life, request the SUPER-BITCH echo from your uplink. We will tease, bitch at and generally make nuisances of ourselves by harrassing the *C's and *EC's. The ElfLords won't want to miss it either since you will want to know what we are up to :) This is an non-partisan announcement made in the general public interest of promotion of fairness to Super-Bitches everywhere. These are the Echo Rules for the Echo: (Please remember that, in keeping with the spirit of this conference, the echo rules are also tongue in cheek echo rules. If you would like to insert your tongue somewhere else, please contact a moderator via the echo.) THE SUPER-BITCH CONFERENCE RULES This is the FidoNet International Echomail conference SUPER-BITCH. This echo is for the uncivilized and immature discussion of issues affecting FidoNet. The Super-Bitches will usually treat each other with respect, and attack all others. Official language: Flaming, with tongue in cheek. These rules will be posted whenever we feel like it. If the participants cannot look up the ELRUL file, then they deserve appropriate treatment at the hands of the Super-Bitches. Feed cuts will be ordered liberally, particularly when any of the Super-Bitches has PMS, but also whenever they feel pissed off with their SO or the family dog or the neighbour. Echo rules: - Stick with the topic of the Echo. Or not. - Leave MODERATING to the MODERATORS. You might piss us off otherwise. - The Super-Bitches will respond to all offtopic posts - including "Tests". - Quote only that which ties to your reply--stop QUOTAHOLISM, unless FIDONEWS 15-35 Page 5 31 Aug 1998 you feel like quoting. - Feel free to request routine FidoNet info here, instead of asking your local NC. We'll provide you with the RIGHT answers. - The posting of "test" msgs is considered annoying behavior. But then, so is any post. Super-Bitches reserve the right to flame anyone who posts or even lurks. - Use this conference for corresponding to the moderators; discuss echo policy in the open echo. - Correction of the spelling, grammar, or style of other people's messages is reserved to the Super-Bitches. - If you wish to chastise someone, make sure the Super-Bitches will agree the person needs chastisement. Then go ahead. - These rules were bashed off quickly, and are not expected to be definitive or even suitable. They will need to be discussed to death and argued over for at least five years before we agree on any changes. -------------------------------- The Moderators are: Lesley-Dee Dylan Lynn Gipson Andrea Santos and Ruth Argust --- -- | Fidonet: Douglas Myers 1:270/720@fidonet.org | Internet: doug@mdtnbbs.com | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. | From Mdtn_BBS @mdtnbbs.com [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-35 Page 6 31 Aug 1998 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= Future History 5 Oct 1998 29th Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus". 10 Sep 1998 9th Anniversary of Zone 5 operations. 14 Sep 1998 Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98]. 22 Sep 1998 First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org. 23 Nov 1998 35th Anniversary of Doctor Who. 1 Dec 1998 Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by Tom Jennings. 16 Feb 1999 13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush. 12 May 1999 12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4; 10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4. 24 Jul 1999 XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99]. 9 Jun 1999 Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07. 10 Sep 1999 10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations. 26 Oct 1999 Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles. 31 Dec 1999 Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed. 1 Jan 2000 The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec. 1 Jun 2000 EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens. 15 Sep 2000 Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens. FIDONEWS 15-35 Page 7 31 Aug 1998 1 Jan 2001 This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E. -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-35 Page 8 31 Aug 1998 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end. FidoNet: Homepage http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML] http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII] WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc Echomail [pending] WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN] General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti ============ Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/ Region 19: http://www.compconn.net ============ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ZEC2: Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/ Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German) Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German) Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/ Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French) Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (Swiss?) FIDONEWS 15-35 Page 9 31 Aug 1998 Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish) REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English) Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian) Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian) Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian) Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English) Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian) ============ Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org ============ Zone 4: http://www.altern.org/zone4 Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish) ============ Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm ============ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese) ============ Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor, and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages should list access points to all Networks within the Region. TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone. -----------oOo------------- Fidonet Via Internet Hubs FIDONEWS 15-35 Page 10 31 Aug 1998 Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+----------- 1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton |FTP,VMoT,F2I,UUE| 64k | $10/$20mo. 1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20 1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo. 1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | F2I | ??? | $2mo. 1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE,F2I | 28.8 | $10/yr. 1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn 1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $1mo. 1:2424/3121| Earl Clark | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo. 1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VFOS | 33.6 | $15yr. 1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c 1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo. 1:342/1022 | Steve Steffler | UUE,F2I | 33.6 | n/c 1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6 1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo. 2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c 2:33/505 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c 2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 2:2490/5170| Lenny Murphy | F2I | ??? | n/c 5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c -- + VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) + F2I = Fido2Int (W95) + UUE = uuencode<->email packet transfers compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, fbn@dandy.net Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews. - ___ ! Origin: * Fly By Night * (609)814-1978 *(1:2623/71) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 15-35 Page 11 31 Aug 1998 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ------- Editor: Henk Wolsink Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg "FidoNews Editor" FidoNet 5:5/23 BBS +27-41-515-913, 2400/9600/V.34/V.90 more addresses: Henk Wolsink -- 5:7104/2, hwolsink@catpe.alt.za (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews Editor P.O. Box 12325 Port Elizabeth, 6006 South Africa ------------------------------------------------------ FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. 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