F I D O N E W S -- Volume 14, Number 48 1 December 1997 +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-904-409-7040 [1:1/23] | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: | | | (*) | \ )) | Christopher Baker 1:18/14 | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: FidoNews Editor 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> cbaker84@digital.net | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of FidoNews or the internet gateway FAQ | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ The Christmas Season is Upon Us! Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 Talk is cheap? ........................................... 1 2. ARTICLES ................................................. 2 FidoNet on the Internet project starting ................. 2 FidoNet dies a slow death! ............................... 3 Nodelist flags ........................................... 3 Responses to articles in 14-47 ........................... 11 New Echos ................................................ 12 3. NET HUMOR ................................................ 13 Are programmers that hard to understand? ................. 13 4. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 14 5. NOTICES .................................................. 15 Future History ........................................... 15 6. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................................. 16 Latest Greatest Software Versions ........................ 16 7. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY ...................................... 20 FidoNews PGP public-key listing .......................... 20 8. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 21 9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 23 FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 1 1 Dec 1997 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= FidoNet Policy4 is like the weather. It changes depending on where you are and everyone talks about it but nobody does anything about it. We still don't have an International Coordinator to take the reins of this debate and throw the darn thing out. Other than that, nothing else is new, either. C.B. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 2 1 Dec 1997 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= From: davec@trak-one.co.uk (Dave Carter) Date: 26 Nov 97 02:48:07 +0000 Subject: FOTI (Fidonet On The Internet) Organization: The TRAK-ONE! BBS To: cbaker84@digital.net Hi Chris, For the first time in my life, I'd like to submit something to Fidonews please! :-) --/// Snip ///-- Hi Folks!, FOTI (Fidonet On The Internet) is a new project being coordinated by a number of people in the UK with an interest in the future of Fidonet, and we're looking for help from any Fidonet echo moderators and Fidonet shareware authors around the world. FOTI includes sections about Fido-related shareware/freeware programs, and echomail conferences available around the world - there is even an opportunity for each program or echo to have it's own mini web-site, if it doesn't already have one elsewhere :-) Initially, it would be great if any author or moderator with WWW access could pop onto the site at http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti, and take a look at the format of the information we're already carrying. Then, put together some information that you'd like shown (if it's already in HTML, then great), and send it to us so that we can include it. Once you have something to send, please use one of the following methods to submit your info: * Upload it to ftp://ftp.trak-one.co.uk/incoming (active from Friday 28th November), and send an e-mail to input@foti.trak-one.co.uk telling us it's there (Please give the filename and program/echo-tag it refers to). * File attach it to an e-mail to input@foti.trak-one.co.uk or netmail to me at 2:25/999 or 2:254/60. This part of the FOTI project relies on YOU make it a success! The site will be updated each Saturday with submissions received during the previous week .... Please help - Don't miss out! :-) Join us every Saturday at 11 am on the site for live chat about the future of Fidonet! Cheers, FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 3 1 Dec 1997 Dave -[ davec@trak-one.co.uk ]- FOTI (Fidonet On The Internet) * http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti --/// Snip ///-- Thanks, Dave -- | Dave Carter -[ davec@trak-one.co.uk ]- Fidonet: 2:254/60 | Sysop of the TRAK-ONE! BBS and Fidonet <> Internet Gateway | Data: +44 (0)181-407-0013 Web: http://www.trak-one.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNet dies a slow death! by: Bobby Queen 1:3667/5 changes to 1:18/178 on 11/28/97 Well to show how bad FidoNet is hurting our local Net 3667 is being dissolved this week due to the NC/NEC and 3 more BBS's quitting all at once. This means my node number is being changed to a regional independent due to the fact that the next closest net is still LD to me. I am going to do my best in the limited time my RC Ken Tuley is giving me to try to get enough BBS's here in town hooked up so we can resurrect Net 3667 again out of the ashes. I think the reason Net 3667 never took off was the NC/NEC was charging an outrageous amount of CRP. That is one of the main problems that is still hiding in FidoNet today. As the Internet becomes more popular it is hurting us BBS's but it is also making it easier for us to get our FidoNet mail and files via FTP and other Internet means. So lets each one contact a few local boards this next week that are not in FidoNet and see if we can not reverse this backwards slide that FidoNet is in. Bobby Queen ----------------------------------------------------------------- Nodelist flags Publication: FSP-Z2 (number to be assigned) Revision: 6 Title: Zone 2 nodelist flags Author: Frank Ellermann, 2:240/5815.1 Revision Date: 27 November 1997 Expiry Date: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Contents: 1. Introduction FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 4 1 Dec 1997 2. FTS-0005 flags 3. User flags 4. Approved zone 2 user flags 5. Flag implications 6. Invalid combinations 7. Baud rate field 8. Thanks to... --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Introduction --------------- This document informs about known differences of FidoNet zone 2 nodelist flags from FTS-0005.003. The ultimate sources for these informations are the current Z2 nodelist epilogue and the setup for flag corrections at Z2C, but it may be difficult to get these sources for readers in other zones. | All changes since version 5 are marked by a bar at the left edge. It is (again) possible to list V32b and V42b in zone 2, upper case V32B or V42B is not more enforced. Currently new flags needed for IP-connectivity are under test in zone 2 (only internally), e.g. -> VM VModem, default port 3141, dummy country code 000- -> IFC IFCico, default port 60179, dummy country code 000- -> BND BinkP, default port 24544, dummy country code 000- -> IP general IP connectivity, dummy country code 000- -> TELN Telnet dummy country code 000- 2. FTS-0005 flags ----------------- The following flags are used as specified in FTS-0005.003: CM Continuous Mail, node accepts mail 24 hours a day MO Mailer Only (no BBS) LO Listed Only, node accepts calls only from listed node numbers in the current FidoNet nodelist -> V21 ITU-T V21 300 bps full duplex (obsolete) V22 ITU-T V22 1200 bps full duplex (obsolescent) | In zone 2 the value 1200 in the baud rate field implies V22. Only | two nodes not supporting at least V22bis, ISDN, or IP still exist | in the zone 2 segment. Flag V22 is almost obsolete, and V21 is | already removed in Z2. Both flags should be dropped from the next | FTS-0005 version. V29 ITU-T V29 9600 bps half duplex (obsolescent) -> V33 ITU-T V33 14400 bps half duplex (obsolete) V33 cannot be used in connecting FidoNet nodes over public dial-up lines and is most probably a historical error in FTS-0005. A very similar argument is applicable on V29, all nodes flying this flag support at least V32. Today only one node in Z2 still flies V29, and V33 is already removed in Z2. Both flags should be dropped in FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 5 1 Dec 1997 the next FTS-0005 version. V32 ITU-T V32 9600 bps full duplex V32b ITU-T V32bis 14400 bps full duplex (implies V32) | V34 ITU-T V34 28800 bps full duplex (33600 bps option) FTS-0005 specifies V32b and V42b (capital V and small b), current nodelist practice in FidoNet shows all combinations of small and capital letters for flags. This was no problem before FSC-0062 introduced case-sensitive flags. The best solution is to stick to the current practice and treat all old flags as case-insensitive. H96 Hayes V9600 HST USR Courier HST up to 9600 (implies MNP) H14 USR Courier HST up to 14400 (implies HST) -> H16 USR Courier HST up to 16800 (implies H14 and V42b) MAX Microcom AX/96xx series (almost obsolete) PEP Packet Ensemble Protocol CSP Compucom Speedmodem -> ZYX Zyxel series 16800 bps (implies V32b and V42b) -> V32T V.32 Terbo 19200 bps (implies V32b) VFC V.Fast Class 28800 bps (should imply V32b and V42b) If a flag directly or indirectly implies other flags, then these other flags are not shown in a nodelist entry, because this would be redundant. Unfortunately the rules for redundancies in zone 2 and FTS-0005 are different. Zone 2 continued to avoid redundancy with most "new" flags, but FTS-0005.003 specified no redundancies for "new" flags like ZYX, H16, V32T, or VFC. "New" flags in this context are flags approved by FidoNet International Coordinators since 1989, when FTS-0005.TXT, the predecesssor of FTS-0005.003, was published. For details see the chapter "implications" below, for now only note, that in zone 2 H16 implies V42b, ZYX implies V32b and V42b, and V32T implies V32b. Zone 1 and zone 2 have introduced a user flag Z19 approved by the corresponding Zone Coordinator. User flags are discussed later, for now only note, that in zone 2 ZYX is specified as Zyxel 16k8, while FTS-0005.003 not knowing Z19 specifies ZYX as generic flag for all Zyxel protocol speeds. Today only one node in FidoNet still really flies MAX, this flag is obsolete and should be dropped from FTS-0005. The flags CSP (7 nodes worldwide) and H96 should be marked as obsolescent. | MNP Microcom Networking Protocol 2-4 error correction | V42 ITU-T LAP-M error correction w/ fallback to MNP 2-4 | V42b ITU-T V.42bis BTLZ data compression over V.42 LAP-M The next version of FTS-0005 should adopt the better V42b and MNP definitions of the zone 3 nodelist epilogue. FTS-0005.003 specifies an implication of V42 by V42b, but the exact meaning of the flag MNP is unclear. Most probably this flag was meant to | indicate support of MNP 2-4, and in this sense V42 implies MNP. FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 6 1 Dec 1997 | Note the difference between the flag V42b (implying V42) and the | standard V.42bis (not necessarily based on LAP-M as data link | layer protocol), without this difference the flag V42b would be | ambiguous for combined modem and ISDN node entries. MN No compression supported in insecure inbound XA Bark and WaZOO file/update requests XB Bark file/update requests, WaZOO file requests XC Bark file requests, WaZOO file/update requests XP Bark file/update requests XR Bark and WaZOO file requests XW WaZOO file requests XX WaZOO file/update requests These flags are equivalent in FTS-0005 and in the zone 2 segment. Gx..x Gateway to domain 'x..x' Valid values for this flag are assigned by the Fido International Coordinator, FTS-0005.003 explicitly mentions GUUCP. In zone 2 only GUUCP gateways are flagged. #01 Zone 5 mail hour (01:00 - 02:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A #02 Zone 2 mail hour (02:30 - 03:30 UTC) w/ Bell 212A -> #08 Zone 4 mail hour (08:00 - 09:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A #09 Zone 1 mail hour (09:00 - 10:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A #18 Zone 3 mail hour (18:00 - 19:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A #20 Zone 6 mail hour (20:00 - 21:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A The variants !01, !02, !08, !09, !18, and !20 indicate missing Bell 212A support. In zone 2 #02 or !02 would be obviously redundant. Today less than four 1200 modems (V22 or Bell 212A) are listed. A future version of FTS-0005 should drop !mn variants together with V21 and V22 flags. Further most non-CM systems flagging #mn or !mn today probably want to show additional online times instead of additional mail hours. As soon as FSC-0062 flags have been approved by the IC or adopted as FTS by the FTSC, the following version of FTS-0005 should mark #mn as obsolescent and recommend the more flexible FSC-0062 flags (see below). 3. User flags ------------- An example for one of several problems in zone 2 with user flags: ...,U,Z19,V110H,V120L,V120H,X75,ENC,NEC These flags indicate a modern Zyxel ISDN-modem and two additional user flags ENC and NEC. This possible user flags string contains 34 characters, but at most 32 characters are allowed in FTS-0005. FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 7 1 Dec 1997 ...,U,Z19,V110L,V110H,X75,ISDNA,ISDNB,ISDNC During the period for the replacement of old by new ISDN flags (several months !) many nodes listed both old and new flags for maximal compatibility, and no problems with nodelist compilers or mailers caused by too long user flags strings were reported. Therefore the length limit in FTS-0005 is probably unnecessary and at least inconsequent: Other nodelist fields like the system name are unlimited, so why only restrict the user flags string ? To help developpers an upper limit of e.g. 255 characters for a nodelist line and 63 characters for fields 3 to 6 would be more useful. The next problem with user flag strings as specified in FTS-0005 is their introduction by the letter U with no comma following: Nodelist compilers could parse ...,UISDN,USR in user flags ISDN and USR. But USR cannot be approved as "real" flag, because the combination ...,USR,UISDN would then be parsed in SR and UISDN. Other side effects of the FTS-0005 specification are additional difficulties in finding flags. Almost all flags are separated by a comma, only the first user flag can be an exception to this simple rule. If the order of user flags has no meaning, then... ...,UV120L,V120H ...,UV120H,V120L ... are equivalent. A "simple" solution of this problem could be to treat UV120L as synonym for V120L, and UV120H as synonym for V120H. Similar problems show up, if user flags are counted, etc. Obviously a nodelist compiler looking for user flags has always to consider the case "user flag separated by comma". In zone 2 this idea was simply extended to the first user flag: All flags are separated by commas. Flags not yet approved by the International Coordinator or the FTSC (i.e. user flags only used experimentally or locally) are separated by a new pseudo flag U. -> U pseudo flag to the left of at least one user flag All flags following this pseudo flag U are user flags, all flags before this pseudo flag are "real" flags specified in FTS-0005 or approved by the International Coordinator. Because this definition should be compatible with any reasonable software implementation based on FTS-0005.003, and simplifies the handling of user flags significantly, a future FTS-0005 version will hopefully adopt it. 4. Approved zone 2 user flags ----------------------------- In zone 2 user flags have to be approved by the Zone Coordinator. FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 8 1 Dec 1997 Currently the following zone 2 user flags exist: -> V110L ITU-T V.110 19k2 async 'Low' (former ISDNA) -> V110H ITU-T V.110 38k4 async 'High' (former ISDNB) -> V120L ITU-T V.120 56k6 async, N1 = 259, W = 7, modulo 8 -> V120H ITU-T V.120 64k async, N1 = 259, W = 7, modulo 8 -> X75 ITU-T X.75 SLP (single link procedure), 64kbit/s B channel; layer 2 max. framesize N1 = 2048, window size W = 2, frame numbering modulo 8; layer 3 transparent (no packet layer) -> ISDN Other configuration, used only if none of above fits These ISDN flags follow the specification in FSC-0091. -> Tyz Online time flags as specified in FSC-0062 The flag Tyz is used by non-CM nodes online not only during ZMH, y is a letter indicating the start and z a letter indicating the end of the online period as defined below (times in UTC): A 0:00, a 0:30, B 1:00, b 1:30, C 2:00, c 2:30, D 3:00, d 3:30, E 4:00, e 4:30, F 5:00, f 5:30, G 6:00, g 6:30, H 7:00, h 7:30, I 8:00, i 8:30, J 9:00, j 9:30, K 10:00, k 10:30, L 11:00, l 11:30, M 12:00, m 12:30, N 13:00, n 13:30, O 14:00, o 14:30, P 15:00, p 15:30, Q 16:00, q 16:30, R 17:00, r 17:30, S 18:00, s 18:30, T 19:00, t 19:30, U 20:00, u 20:30, V 21:00, v 21:30, W 20:00, w 20:30, X 23:00, x 23:30. For example TuB shows an online period from 20:30 until 1:00 UTC. -> Z19 Zyxel series 19200 bps (implies ZYX) -> X2C x2 client w/ 56000 bps (should imply V34 and V42b) -> X2S x2 server w/ 64000 bps (should imply V34 and V42b) -> K12 Systems offering all educational K12-conferences -> ENC The node accepts inbound encrypted mail -> NC Network Coordinator (only if the NC is not the host) -> NEC Net Echomail Coordinator (at most one per net) -> REC Region Echomail Coordinator (at most one per region) Redundant AKAs used to indicate echomail coordination in zone 2 are no longer permitted. One *EC flag is valid for all AKAs of a given sysop. 5. Flag implications -------------------- Flag implications directly or indirectly specified in FTS-0005: HST => MNP H14 => MNP HST H16 => MNP HST H14 V42b => V42 (MNP ?) V32b => V32 FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 9 1 Dec 1997 Flag implications specified in the zone 2 nodelist epilogue: HST => MNP H14 => HST MNP -> H16 => V42 MNP V42b H14 HST -> V42b => V42 MNP -> ZYX => V42 MNP V42b V32 V32b -> Z19 => V42 MNP V42b V32 V32b ZYX V32b => V32 -> V32T => V32 V32b -> V110L => ISDN -> V110H => ISDN -> V120L => ISDN -> V120H => ISDN -> X75 => ISDN The latter ISDN flag redundancies are a consequence of FSC-0091. Maybe some of the following implications could be added in zone 2: VFC => V32 V32b MNP V42 V42b X2C => V34 MNP V42 V42b X2S => V34 MNP V42 V42b Flag implications (i.e. not listing redundant flags) have several advantages: Some old nodelist tools are unable to handle too long lines. Old flags like HST, MNP, V42, or V32 vanish automatically, if they are implied by H16, V42b, V32b, or better. Redundancies defined globally for the whole nodelist help to avoid flag errors. 6. Invalid combinations ----------------------- All file request flags exclude each other (at most 1 is possible): XA, XB, XC, XP, XR, XW, and XX. For flag checkers only supporting implications a good approximation based on FTS-0005 definitions is | XA => XW XR XP XB XC XX, | XB => XW XR XP, | XC => XW XR XX, | XR => XW, | XX => XW. Further X2C cannot be combined with X2S, and FSC-62 Tyz-flags are not possible with CM. Also Tyz with y = z is of course incorrect. Some modem protocols are "proprietary" in a sense, that all today known modems can fly at most one of the corresponding modem flags: MAX, CSP, H96, PEP, HST, H14, H16, ZYX, and Z19. A few "old" modem protocol flags are known to be invalid if used together with "new" protocol flags, i.e. each "old" flag excludes all "new" flags and vice versa: "Old" in this sense are MAX, CSP, H96, HST, H14, V32, and PEP. "New" in this sense are X2S, X2C, V34, VFC, V32T, and H16. FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 10 1 Dec 1997 For Z2 add ZYX as "old" and Z19 as "new". A simple REXX script to test some known inconsistencies is available as NLSCHECK.REX at the site of the author. While erroneously listing redundant flags causes no harm, other errors like combining V34 with HST or Z19 with H16 indicate serious problems, which can result in connection failures or other damage. 7. Baud rate field ------------------ The baud rate field 7 in the nodelist as specified in FTS-0005 is nearly useless today: Except from a few remaining 1200 and 2400 nodes almost all nodelist entries show either 9600 for all modem protocols better than V22bis or 300 for ISDN (or IP) only nodes. No more V21 or Bell 103 modems are listed for more than 2 years. The baud rate values 19200 and 38400 specified in FTS-0005.003 have not been used in the FidoNet nodelist. So all a reasonable nodelist compiler can do today, is treat 300 as indicator for ISDN or IP only, and treat unknown or missing values in field 7 like 9600. A new meaning for field 7 as speed field could be really useful. An example is ZYX, if we would have 16800, 19200, 28800, and 33600 as speed values, then their combination with ZYX is all we need technically, Z19 would be unnecessary. Another example is HST, flags H14 and H16 are unnecessary, if HST is combined with 9600, 14400, 16800, 28800, or better. Variants of PEP could be shown in the speed field without new flags. "Enhanced V32.terbo" could be shown by 21600. Most important: V34 may have the famous bug not allowing connects from new "V34+", unless the caller disabled symbol rate 3429. If "V34+" is indicated by speed 33600 or better, then an appropriate setup for all kinds of V34 connects is possible. A future version of FTS-0005 hopefully allows the following speed values in field 7: 300 reserved for ISDN or IP only (for historical reasons) 1200 obsolete (either V.22 in Z2 / Z3, or Bell 212A in Z1) 2400 implies V22bis, qualifies as least common denominator 9600 default, used with PEP, V32, HST, H96, (CSP), (MAX) 12000 rare variant of V32 14400 used with V32b or HST (obsoleting H14) 16800 used with ZYX or HST (obsoleting H16) 19200 used with V32T or ZYX (obsoleting Z19) 21600 rare variant of V32T (no "H21" needed) 28800 used with VFC or V34 33600 used with V34 (no V34+ or V34b needed) | 56000 used with X2C, X2S, or V.PCM Allowing more than 12 speed values or allowing speed values above 64000 could break existing software (MakeNL, V7). Therefore the next step in FidoNet could be, to add 12000, 14400, 16800, 19200, 21600, 28800, 33600, and 56000, where 19200 is already specified FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 11 1 Dec 1997 in FTS-5 since 1989. 8. Thanks to... --------------- Ben Baker St. Louis nodelist format Rick Moore FTS-0005.TXT David Nugent FTS-0005.003 and NLTOOLS Jonny Bergdahl ERRFLAGS 2.6 Ward Dossche Zone 2 nodelist epilogue David J. Thomas FSC-0062.003 (FRL-0062) Jan Ceuleers FSC-0075.001 (FRL-0075) Arjen Lentz FSC-0091.001 (FRL-0091) Leonard Erickson CHECKNL 2.14 and many discussions in NET_DEV Jim Barchuk LNDL 2.7 Marius Ellen FASTV7 2.04 | Jan Vermeulen, Ian Smith, Gisbert Rudolph, Carlos Fernandez Sanz, | Tom Schlangen, Craig Ford, Pedro Lima, and many others... - eof - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Responses to articles in 14-47 by Lee Kindness, wangi@earthling.net A number of responses from articles in FIDONEWS 14-47 Things really do from bad to worse... > From: Rich Veraa > Subj: Unsolved Mysteries, "How far from Ontario to Malaysia?" > Host,163,Ottawa_163,Ottawa_ON,Christine_Labonte, > 1-613-742-7612,9600,XA,CM,V42b,V32b > ,134,Valley_of_Wind,Kuala_Lumpur_MALAYSIA,Maulvi_Bakar, > 60-3-712-5570,9600,V34, V32b,V42b,ZYX,MNP,CM,XA > Does anyone know howcome a net in Ontario lists a node in Malasia? And can I ask you why it matters? This sort of geographical nonsense is damaging to Fidonet - it merely gives some "power hungry fiends" something to worry about. Do a bit of research and find out about Fidonet in Asia and you might see why a node would want to be in zones 1 or 2... > From: "Piotr Kosibowicz" > Subject: How to defend against defaming in a public > conference?, "Echomail defamation?" > I am writing for the advice how to force a fidouser to send > an apology note to a Polish conference BUY_SELL.POL. Dry your eyes man. Fidonet is not about forcing anyone to do anything. > From: Steve Woodmore > Subject: Re: have your retired again?, "Ex-ZEC2 confirms FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 12 1 Dec 1997 > leaving FidoNet" > The same old thing, every time you try and achieve > something, there are always people being destructive > and disruptive. [...] Life then? > Come and visit the worlds fastest talker If you thought > you could talk fast, then you are wrong As featured in > the 1990,1991,1992,1993,1994,1995,1996,1997 Guinness Book of , yes Steve - but you never could COMMUNICATE! But it's nice to see some people still doing the 'decent' thing. Hail Damian Walker and congratulations to Odinn Sorensen, lets hope you're a touch more active than Mr. Nugent was in his later years as FTSCC. ----------------------------------------------------------------- New Echos you may not be aware of! by: Bobby Queen 1:3667/5 changing to 1:18/178 on 11/28/97 I just wanted to make everyone aware of some new echos that i have been able to get backboned recently. Some are a month old or older but not many participants yet. LORD2_CHAT These 3 are devoted to Lord II the new Online game from LORD2_SYSOP Seth Able Robinson the author of the original L.O.R.D. LORD2_IGM and Planets TEOS! IRC_CHAT These are real new and are devoted to Internet Relay IRC_SCRIPTS Chat discussions known as IRC. ART_BELL Devoted to discussing the Art Bell show. Then here are some older ones that I recently updated or are still needing participants. ET_SIGHTINGS Devoted to sightings of Extra Terrestrials. I_UFO May soon be merged with ET_SIGHTINGS. Watch for a notice on this in the future. WILDCAT4 For discussions pertaining to the dos version of Wildcat. WC4DOS For discussions pertaining to the dos version of Wildcat. And then 2 that are going strong but I still welcome more of you to AREAFIX. NASCAR For discussions of NASCAR stock car racing in all forms. CLASSIFIEDS For individuals to buy, sell and trade their personal items. So AREAFIX your choices today and join in on the fun in all these exciting echos. Bobby Queen ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 13 1 Dec 1997 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= From: "Mike Riddle" To: "Baker, Christopher" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 08:49:22 -0600 Reply-To: "Mike Riddle" Subject: FWD - Humor ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== A man was walking along the beach and found a bottle. He looked around and didn't see anyone so he opened the bottle. A genie appeared and thanked the man for letting him out. The genie said, "I am so grateful to get out of that bottle that I will grant you one wish." I can only grant one." The man thought for a while and finally said, "I have always wanted to go to Hawaii. I've never been able to go because I cannot fly. Airplanes are too frightening for me. On a boat, I see all that water and I become very claustrophobic. So I wish for a road to be built from here to Hawaii. The genie thought for a few minutes and finally said, "No, I don't think I can do that. Just think of all the work involved. Consider all the pilings needed to hold up a highway and how deep they would have to go to reach the bottom of the ocean. Imagine all the pavement needed. No, that is just too much to ask." The man thought for a few minutes and then told the genie, "There is one other thing I have always wanted. I would like to be able to understand programmers. What makes them laugh and cry, why are they temperamental, why are they so difficult to get along with. Basically, what makes them tick." The genie considered for a few minutes and said, "So, do you want two lanes or four?" ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== -30- ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 14 1 Dec 1997 ================================================================= ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ================================================================= *Announcing the WRESTLING_CHAT Echo Emanuel Edwards 1:348/963 emanuel@pangea.ca __ __ ___ __ \ \ /\ / // __\\ \ /\ / / \ \/ // /| | \ \/ // / \ // / | |___ \ // / \/ \/ \___/ \/ \/ _____ __ ___ \ \ \ / \ / _____/ \ \ \/ /\ \/ /_____ \ \ / \ / ____/ \ \/ /\ \/ / \___/ \__/ Hello All Sysops & Co_Sysops: What is the biggest problem on fidonet these days? Most users are leaving fidonet and going on the internet. Well if you want to get more users on your BBS I suggest you request the WRESTLING_CHAT on your BBS. The WRESTLING_CHAT provide all the latest news, rumors, Scoops and Upcoming events in the Wrestling world. Plus the users can enjoy chatting about the sport with other great wrestling fans. The WRESTLING_CHAT provide a great atmosphere for the users on your BBS. If you need additional information please contact me either on my fidonet or internet address. Thank you Emanuel Fidonet 1:348/963 Internet emanuel@pangea.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 15 1 Dec 1997 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= Future History 10 Dec 1997 Nobel Day, Sweden. 12 Jan 1998 HAL 9000 is one year old today. 30 Apr 1998 Queens Day, Holland. 17 May 1998 Independence Day, Norway. 22 May 1998 Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens. 14 Sep 1998 Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98]. 22 Sep 1998 First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org. 1 Dec 1998 Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by Tom Jennings. 24 Jul 1999 XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99]. 31 Dec 1999 Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed. 1 Jan 2000 The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec. 1 Jun 2000 EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens. 15 Sep 2000 Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens. 1 Jan 2001 This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E. -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 16 1 Dec 1997 ================================================================= FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= Latest Greatest Software Versions by Peter E. Popovich, 1:363/264 Got a little behind here. With one exception that requires a bit of clarification, this catches things up. -=- Snip -=- Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column OS Platform : Software package name : Version : Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. : Freeware / Shareware / Commercial? : Author / Support staff contact name : Author / Support staff contact node : Magic name (at the above-listed node) : Please include a sentence describing what the package does. Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264 -=- Snip -=- MS-DOS: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Act-Up 4.6 G D Chris Gunn 1:15/55 ACT-UP ALLFIX 4.40 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 ALLFIX Announcer 1.12 O S Peter Karlsson 2:206/221 ANNOUNCE BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOS_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_DOS CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR CheckPnt 1.0a O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 CHECKPNT FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FASTECHO FastEcho/16 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FEX FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTD FidoBBS (tm) 12u B S Ray Brown 1:1/117 FILES FrontDoor 2.12 M S JoHo 2:201/330 FD FrontDoor 2.20c M C JoHo 2:201/330 FDINFO GEcho 1.00 T S Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GEcho/Plus 1.11 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GED GoldED/386 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEX GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN Imail 1.75 T S Michael McCabe 1:1/121 IMAIL FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 17 1 Dec 1997 ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT InfoMail/86 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFOMAIL InfoMail/386 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFO386 InterEcho 1.19 T C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IEDEMO InterMail 2.29k M C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IMDEMO InterPCB 1.52 O S Peter Stewart 1:369/35 INTERPCB IPNet 1.11 O S Michele Stewart 1:369/21 IPNET JD's CBV 1.4 O S John Dailey 1:363/277 CBV Jelly-Bean 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY Jelly-Bean/386 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY386 JMail-Hudson 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-H JMail-Goldbase 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-G MakePl 1.9 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MAKEPL Marena 1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MARENA Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAX Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUE McMail 1.0 M S Michael McCabe 1:1/148 MCMAIL MDNDP 1.18 N S Bill Doyle 1:388/7 MDNDP Msged 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41D.ZIP Msged/386 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41X.ZIP NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFD NorthStar 3.31.29 B S A&B Darin 1:285/82 NSTAR Opus CBCS 1.79 B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14 OPUS O/T-Track 2.66 O S Peter Hampf 2:241/1090 OT PcMerge 2.8 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE PlatinumXpress 1.3 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PX13TD.ZIP QuickBBS 2.81 B S Ben Schollnick 1:2613/477 QUICKBBS RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR RemoteAccess 2.50 B S Mark Lewis 1:3634/12 RA Searchlight 4.5 B S Paul Casey 1:343/117 DEMO450.ZIP Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT Silver Xpress Door 5.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 FILES Reader 4.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 SXR44.ZIP Spitfire 3.51 B S Mike Weaver 1:3670/3 SPITFIRE Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISH StealTag UK 1.c... 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The FidoNews key is also available on the FidoNews homepage listed in the Masthead information. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 21 1 Dec 1997 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as of this appearance. ============ FidoNet: Homepage http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html HTML FNews http://www.fidonews.org WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html FTSC page http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/ftsc/ftscmirr.htm Echomail http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html ============ Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Region 13: http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm Region 14: [disappeared?] Region 15: [disappeared?] Region 16: http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm Region 17: http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm REC17: http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/ Region 18: http://www.citicom.com/fido.html Region 19: http://www.compconn.net ============ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ZEC2: http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/zec.htm Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/ Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German) Region 25: http://www.trak-one.co.uk/net254 FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 22 1 Dec 1997 Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (in French) Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (in Swiss) Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (in Spanish) REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English) Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl ============ Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org ============ Zone 4: (not yet listed) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish) ============ Zone 5: http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm ============ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China) ============ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 23 1 Dec 1997 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ------- Editor: Christopher Baker Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees "FidoNews Editor" FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS 1-904-409-7040, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(ds) more addresses: Christopher Baker -- 1:18/14, cbaker84@digital.net cbaker84@fidonews.org cbaker84@aol.com cbaker84@msn.com (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews Editor P.O. Box 471 Edgewater, FL 32132-0471 U.S.A. voice: 1-904-409-3040 [1400-2100 ET only, please] [1800-0100 UTC/GMT] ------------------------------------------------------ FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation of individual articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of FidoNews. Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is Copyright 1997 Christopher Baker. All rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or the Editor. =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or file-request, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet. PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request FNEWS for the current month in one archive. Or file-request specific FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 24 1 Dec 1997 back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSEnn.ZIP] for a particular Issue. Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the current year [7], i.e., FNWSAUG7.ZIP for all the Issues from Aug 97. Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number 1 - 14 for 1984 - 1997, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in size from 48K to 1.4M. INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via: http://www.fidonews.org http://www.fidonet.org/fidonews.htm ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/ ftp://ftp.aminet.org/pub/aminet/comm/fido/ *=*=* You may obtain an email subscription to FidoNews by sending email to: jbarchuk@worldnet.att.net with a Subject line of: subscribe fnews-edist and no message in the message body. To remove your name from the email distribution use a Subject line of: unsubscribe fnews-edist with no message to the same address above. * You may retrieve current and previous Issues of FidoNews via FTPMail by sending email to: ftpmail@fidonews.org with a Subject line of: help and FTPMail will immediately send a reply containing details and instructions. When you actually make a file request, FTPMail will respond in three stages. 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