F I D O N E W S -- Volume 14, Number 33 18 August 1997 +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-904-409-7040 [1:1/23] | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: | | | (*) | \ )) | Christopher Baker 1:18/14 | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: FidoNews Editor 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> cbaker84@digital.net | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of FidoNews or the internet gateway FAQ | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Can BBSing be saved? Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 New links, new info ...................................... 1 2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2 Gregg Jennings, 1:331/109 ................................ 2 3. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 4 Council for Online Community Alternatives (COCA) ......... 4 4. ARTICLES ................................................. 7 It's the Human way ....................................... 7 WWW Fidonet Resource Updated ............................. 7 5. TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET .................................. 9 From out of the past? .................................... 9 Sysop's passing .......................................... 9 6. COORDINATORS CORNER ...................................... 11 Zone 3 Nodelist info from new ZC3 ........................ 11 7. NET HUMOR ................................................ 12 Should software be named geographically? ................. 12 8. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 14 The cure for Echomail headaches? ......................... 14 9. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 15 Announcing the WRESTLING_CHAT Echo ....................... 15 10. NOTICES ................................................. 16 Future History ........................................... 16 11. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................................ 17 Latest Greatest Software Versions ........................ 17 And more! FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 1 18 Aug 1997 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Friday's Nodelist [227] seems less synchronized than usual but hope springs eternal. ZC3 reports Nodelist synch status in his Zone below. Zone 5 now has an Internet address. The FTSC address has changed from the previous Nugent URL to the mirror URL operated by Adrian Walker who is currently attempting to start a new FTSC [see 1432]. These are listed in the FidoNet by Internet section and on the FidoNews webpage. There is also updated info on the FidoNet Resource page in this Issue. An effort is underway to save BBSing as a sport in spite of Internet- induced losses of audience. That info also appears below. Gregg Jennings offers a Guest Editorial following. C.B. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 2 18 Aug 1997 ================================================================= GUEST EDITORIAL ================================================================= FidoPeople By Gregg Jennings, 1:331/109 [This is not quite an article; more of a letter to the editor, but not in reference to any article, so it's a Guest Editorial!] I was writing a friend of mine about a bit of the history of Fido and FidoNet, something that I know a little bit about, something that I have a unique perspective of, being a Jennings, if you get my meaning. And I used a disparaging remark about the. . . well, I'll just say that I was complaining about the FidoDissenters and FidoComplainers. After I had saved the message, it being a form of electronic mail, I realized that I was not quite right in my assessment of FidoPeople. In a related issue, that of the FidoDeathKnellers, is that even now in Usenet, there are people speaking of the "Death of Usenet", that Usenet must "change or die". Pretty eerie ain't it? What I'm getting at is that FidoNet is a pretty cool "place", or rather, a pretty cool "thing", or even more `rather', a pretty cool "implementation of a great idea". Many people make FidoNet work, and boy does FidoNet work! It does. It really does. There are more good things than bad, "here". Yeah, I'm sick of hearing the complaints! But so what? We have to hear all sides and all views. The worst thing would be one of two things: all complaints or nothing at all. Well, we ain't got all complaints! And we still have something! What it boils down to is that there is much good with and within FidoNet. I really feel that. I have met, as one can meet "voices" in this medium, many good people, good FidoPeople. Yeah there are jerks. I've been a jerk, some will say. But I grow. I learn. I change. FidoNet grows and changes. And it will grow and change because people really do do things. We must acknowledge those that came before and will come again and are here now. Both the "voices" and the developers. So I'm weird! What about you? What is your view? So I don't make sense. Or do I? Do you? If you don't say it. Nobody will. You could be right. FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 3 18 Aug 1997 Just think. And say. And do. Eh? ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 4 18 Aug 1997 ================================================================= LETTERS TO THE EDITOR ================================================================= --- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 --- By Christopher Baker on Fri Aug 15 00:06:08 1997 From: Tom McKeever @ 1:374/22 To: Christopher Baker @ 1:18/14 Date: 14 Aug 97 17:46:46 Subj: Help Keep Local BBS's Viable!! * Original to: Al Koller (1:374/3) ------------------------------------------------- Fellow SysOps - The INTERNET has made a serious negative impact on Community Dial-Up BBS's, as we are all aware. We have formed a movement to re-awaken Community interest in BBS's and the benefits of the LOCAL BBS as an adjunct to their Internet adventures.. :-) Please help us propagate this positive initiative!! ================================================================= Who We Are: The Council for Online Community Alternatives (COCA) was formed in the summer of 1997 by a group of dedicated Bulletin Board System (BBS) System Operators (SYSOPs) with a common goal....To Keep BBSing Alive! COCA membership is free and open to all sysops, regardless of bbs software and geographic location. Our Mission: The mission of the Council for Online Community Alternatives (COCA) is to promote BBSes and BBS/Web sites as an "Online Community Alternative" to mere internet browsing and to bring awareness to computer users of the availability of "Local Community BBS's" in their area. It has become apparent with the growth of the internet that the role of the community based BBS has become unclear and the awareness of their existence obscure. It is the premise of COCA that in recent years millions of people, who never owned computers prior, went out and bought computers to seek out the benefits of online communication. The internet was not only widely publicized, but has become a business and educational tool, and is known to most people in today's modern society across the world. Our Goals: 1) To make the public aware that BBSes are in existence and that the vast majority of them address most, if not all, of today's concerns with the shortcomings of the internet. FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 5 18 Aug 1997 The internet has value and a place in today's world. However, it's enormity and lack of organization tend to leave countless numbers of people yearning for something more. 2) To make the public aware of the Local Community BBS's in their area. Many new computer owners are not aware of the existence of the Local BBS. They need to be advised and educated. Channels of Communication: Communication and education are the keys to making the public aware of bbs's. COCA maintains a variety of methods to keep communications open between it's members: 1) COCA Listserve (promote@atlsky.com) To join send an e-mail to listserve@atlsky.com put SUBSCRIBE PROMOTE in the body of the message 2) COCAnet BBS Network COCAnet was started as an effort to archive the listserve messages. It has evolved into a 5 conference network to allow members without e-mail access to read the listserve messages and have 2-way communications with other COCA members. The COCAnet info packet is available for download on the COCA Website. COCAnet is available via dial-up, telnet, WWW, e-mail and ftp in both QWK and FTSC formats. 3) PROMOTE_BBS is a new conference on FIDOnet This conference is gated to a conference of the same name on COCAnet. It has been posted in the FIDOnet ECHOLIST conference and that posting is copied below for your information. For FIDOnet sysops interested in carrying the conference on their BBS, please keep this information and note that the conference will be listed in the September 1st Elist file (ELIST709.TXT): 4) COCA Web Site - http://coca.home.ml.org Our web site consists of many different areas of interest and new pages are added all the time. Highlights include: a) List of Member BBS's b) List of Members and their Bio's c) Calendar of Events d) Web Site Information Update Form 5) COCA ICQ LIST If you are running ICQ add your name to the list at: http://cocalist.home.ml.org FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 6 18 Aug 1997 6) COCA Web Ring If you run a bbs on the internet add it to the Web Ring at: http://cocalist.home.ml.org 7) COCA IRC Chat Meetings The Steering Committee meets every Wednesday. Public Chat Meetings are held alternating Tuesdays/Thursdays every other week. See the Calendar for details. Join the effort! Join COCA!! Let's keep Community BBS's viable! Tom McKeever - 1:374/22 - http://spacecon.net spacecon@gate.net bravehrt@digital.net -30- ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 7 18 Aug 1997 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= It's the Human Way by Lee Kindness, 2:259/7, wangi@earthling.net A response to Steve Woodmore's article titled "A response to lee Kindness's Counter proposal InetTM flags" (which didn't contain anything relevant to my counter proposal) in FIDONEWS 14-31, 4 Aug 1997. SW> I am a "doer" not a "talker", in other words if I see SW> something that I think needs doing, i will try and do SW> it, and not just sit Around flapping my lips and trying SW> to insult everyone that attempts anything. Right, what you're trying to say is that i'm a 'talker' and not 'doer'. Indeed. I'm quite sure past posts and articles by myself would prove otherwise... And Steve, you are a 'talker' - the worlds fastest i do believe ;) SW> However your petty insults at the beginning are SW> indicative of every thing that is wrong in fidonet today, SW> you just couldn't write something constructive could you?, SW> you just had to have your little dig, didn't you? Next time SW> you respond to someone who is trying to improve the network SW> for all of us, step out from behind your petty little ego, SW> and think of the reasons as to why people do things. Yes I took a dig at you but it was part of article which was overall very positive. I am a human - I have opinions, I am as petty as the next man and I will show it! I'm not a emotionless robot! Fidonet is about communication, and communication is personal. I will always voice my opinions and stand up for my views! No matter how petty they may be... Anyway Steve, you're hardly they guy to be lecturing me or anyone else about pettiness! -- Lee Kindness shazze@on.bright.yelly.bowls.com Fidonet 2:259/7 wangi@earthling.net hufunglun http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk ----------------------------------------------------------------- WWW Fidonet Resource Updated by Lee Kindness, 2:259/7, wangi@earthling.net The "WWW Fidonet Resource" page at: http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 8 18 Aug 1997 has been updated from submissions sent in by users. However I have lost a, possibly large, amount of submissions... I'd like to apologize to those whose submissions have been lost and in general for the time taken to update/add the information. If your submission has not made it onto the pages then can you please send it again. As always submissions are welcome, send information in the same format as it is displayed on the pages for easier addition. Send submissions to wangi@earthling.net or fidonet 2:259/7. [I will get round to trawling the net for new links soon, and perhaps even scadge the links from Fidonews... Well Chris stole them from me in the first place ;)] -- Lee Kindness shazze@on.bright.yelly.bowls.com Fidonet 2:259/7 wangi@earthling.net hufunglun http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk [Isn't that what they are there for? {snicker}] Ed. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 9 18 Aug 1997 ================================================================= TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET ================================================================= From: roger@jadebox.com (Roger Smith) To: cbaker84@digital.net Subject: Mailed from FidoNews homepage Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 03:33:13 GMT Okay ... I'm here at work when I should be home asleep. So while I'm waiting for a program to finish so I can see if it works, I started surfing the web. Somehow I hit a reference to "Fidonet" so I start think "hmmm ... I wonder what's happening in that world since I left it." And I kept trying to remember the names of some of the people I "met" through Fidonet. One guy I recalled was the regional whatever and was 18/14 before I was 18/14 ... but I couldn't remember his name so I started looking for more Fidonet stuff on the Internet. I run across a page with FidoNews on it ... boy that brings back mem...uhh... wait a minute ... that's the guy - Chris Baker! I sort of left the BBS world behind when I moved from Fort Walton Beach to Orlando and discovered the Internet. But some of my BBS past remains - the program Oblio which I wrote to help me create and maintain my web pages (www.jadebox.com) is based on the interpreter in the BBS program, Oratorio, which I wrote and had used to host the RSBBS (1:366/14). Can you believe that there were only 400 nodes in the nodelist when I joined FidoNet? Can you believe I still recognize several names in the current FidoNews? Anyway ... it's late. I should be home and sleeping, so I better go before the 16 cans of "Surge" I've consumed today catch up with me .... Take care ... and .... TTFN -30- ----------------------------------------------------------------- From: roger@jadebox.com (Roger Smith) To: Christopher Baker Subject: Re: Mailed from FidoNews homepage Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:42:20 GMT Here's another story you might like to share .... I first met Lloyd Wood when I began visiting BBSs over 10 years ago. He ran the "Hot Muddy Duck" in Shalimar, Florida. I lived nearby in Fort Walton Beach. Although "Woody" was somewhat older than me and our FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 10 18 Aug 1997 views on just about every subject were different, we became friends. On his BBS or in person, Woody was never shy about stating his opinion. But he always did so with an endearing, warm sense of humor. I think I talked Woody into joining Fidonet. He had resisted for a while - I think he just didn't want to have to fight with the required software - but, I guess the prospect of a larger audience and more conversation got to him and he joined our net as 366/73. As you might be able to tell by the node number he chose, Woody was an amateur radio enthusiast. One day he was 50 feet up an antenna mast when he suffered a heart attack. Fortunately, the antenna's site was just a block from a hospital and Woody recovered well. The experience gave him a new soapbox. He began preaching the benefits of a healthy lifestyle. I recall that he told me once that one ounce of chocolate has the same amount of fat as seventy pounds of fish. I think my reply was something like, "well, I'd rather eat one ounce of chocolate than seventy pounds of fish ...." That's a good example of how most of our on-line conversations went. About three years ago I moved from Fort Walton beach to Orlando. I retired my BBS (the RSBBS) and joined the Internet crowd. I also lost contact with a lot of my BBS friends including Woody. Some time passed and one day I received an e-mail message from Woody. He'd gotten connected to the Internet and somehow had found my address. We began exchanging messages and he signed me up to his joke mailing list. He also connected me with a few others I had known back in my Fidonet days. Only a few weeks after we began exchanging e-mail, I heard from a mutual friend that Woody had died in his sleep. Of course, I was really saddened - I had lost a friend of many years. But as I look back on it, I'm so happy that e-mail had been able to bring us back together, if only for a short time. Thanks to BBSs, FidoNet, and the Internet, I - and many others - had the pleasure of knowing Lloyd Wood. 73. -- Roger ------------------------------- No list server? Manage an interactive mailing list on your PC with Arrow! http://www.jadebox.com/arrow/ -30- ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 11 18 Aug 1997 ================================================================= COORDINATORS CORNER ================================================================= --- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 --- By Christopher Baker on Sun Aug 17 19:08:48 1997 From: Alwyn Smith @ 3:640/201 To: Christopher Baker @ 1:18/14 Date: 15 Aug 97 20:36:36 Subj: Nodelist Synchronisation G'day Christopher! As of nodelist 227 the Zone 3 issue contains: Zone 1 = 143 Zone 2 = 206 Zone 4 = 220 Zone 5 = 213 Zone 6 = 164 The Zone 2 segment should have been 227 but an error in my new setup missed incorporating the difference files I had managed to obtain. I still have to obtain a complete segment for Zones 1 and 6 to bring them back into sync with what turns up in ZSEGS, but we also need to locate and fix whatever is causing the odd file to be lost in the ZSEGS file distribution. I expect that a working file distribution will correct much of the problem. Alwyn ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 12 18 Aug 1997 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= To: nshue@ford.com Cc: cbaker84@digital.net Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 09:49:51 -0700 Subject: Second good one today... From: wsl3@juno.com (William S Lockwood III) Internally, Microsoft has been naming its products after cities, with names such as "Memphis", and "Cairo". If this trend takes off in the software industry as a whole, we may see some more cynical names being used ... "Bataan" - A team of programmers pull a series of all-nighters and drive themselves to the point of collapse in order to meet the release date. "Stalingrad" - The project turns out to be far more difficult than expected. Management responds by assigning more and more programmers to the development effort, but it ultimately fails. "Dresden" - The company that originally owned the product goes down in flames. As part of the liquidation, the product ends up in the hands of a competitor, who severely mismanages it. "Beirut" - Internal squabbling among the programmers turns the project into a basket case. Senior management comes in, kicks some heads, and gets the project back on track. But the programmers still hate each other. "Carthage" - After two previously unsuccessful releases, a third version of the product is released. This also fails. The project's programmers are dispersed, and the product's name is never spoken again. "Jerusalem" - The ultimate legacy application. Generations of hacks, fixes, patches, different operating systems, and changes of management have produced an application that is completely unmaintainable. "Mumbai" - For reasons best known to themselves, marketing tries to sell an existing well-known product under a new name. The typical response from customers is a blank stare, followed by "Oh, you mean Bombay". "Nanking" - After the developers fail to produce a successful product, management punishes the guilty and innocent alike with mass sackings. With Gassho, Scott http://shoga.wwa.com/~tj mailto:wsl3@juno.com FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 13 18 Aug 1997 -30- ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 14 18 Aug 1997 ================================================================= COMIX IN ASCII ================================================================= --- Following message extracted from ASCII_ART @ 1:18/14 --- By Christopher Baker on Sun Aug 17 19:09:21 1997 From: Miss Kitty To: All Date: 13 Aug 97 21:52:00 Subj: Headache ___________ [___________] {=========} .-' '-. / \ /_________________\ | _ _ _ | ||\(_ |_)||_)||\ || ,.--. ,.--. ||~\_)| || \|| \|| // \ \ // \ \ |_________________| jgs \\ \ / \\ \ / | | `'--' `'--' '-----------------' ___ ___ ,_;-'-._\__/_.-' ,_\ a\/a ,_\ ,-( _'-._ Bugged by Echomail? ,_\ (==/\ |'-._\ ,_\ -. /\ \/ | |\ ` ,_\ \/==\ '._\7 '._ jgs '. '._ \=/\'-}}} '-}}} / /> /` ) |\_.' .'( <_ <_ \____.-' '--}}}-}}} Origin: Kitty's Keep BBS * Fullerton, CA * (1:103/441.0) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 15 18 Aug 1997 ================================================================= ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ================================================================= Emanuel Edwards 1:348/963 emanuel@pangea.ca IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL SYSOPS!!!!!! Hello all Sysops and Co_Sysops: If you want to get lots of User on your BBS I suggest you request the WRESTLING_CHAT on your BBS: On the wrestling_chat you can get all the Latest News, great wrestling scoops and great wrestling advertisement. Plus there are professional wrestlers reading the messages and posting messages on the echo. The echo tag is called WRESTLING_CHAT. Sysops around the world is requesting that echo daily. Please request the Wrestling_chat today and don't get left behind from some great excitement and entertainment on the WRESTLING_CHAT. Mark my words "YOU WON'T REGRET IT" You can also visit my wrestling news bulletin homepage at http://www.pangea.ca/~emanuel/latest.html Regards Emanuel Moderator Barry Laws Jr Co_Moderator ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 16 18 Aug 1997 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= Future History 25 Sep 1997 Happy Birthday, Joaquim H. Homrighausen 13 Oct 1997 Thanksgiving Day, Canada. 1 Dec 1997 World AIDS Day. 10 Dec 1997 Nobel Day, Sweden. 12 Jan 1998 HAL 9000 is one year old today. 30 Apr 1998 Queens Day, Holland. 22 May 1998 Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens. 1 Dec 1998 Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by Tom Jennings. 31 Dec 1999 Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed. 1 Jan 2000 The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec. 15 Sep 2000 Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens. 1 Jan 2001 This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E. -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 17 18 Aug 1997 ================================================================= FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= [From 1431] Ed. Latest Greatest Software Versions by Peter E. Popovich, 1:363/264 Deadsville over here. A total of two updates in the last three weeks. -=- Snip -=- Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column OS Platform : Software package name : Version : Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. : Freeware / Shareware / Commercial? : Author / Support staff contact name : Author / Support staff contact node : Magic name (at the above-listed node) : Please include a sentence describing what the package does. Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264 -=- Snip -=- MS-DOS: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Act-Up 4.6 G D Chris Gunn 1:15/55 ACT-UP ALLFIX 4.40 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 ALLFIX Announcer 1.11 O S Peter Karlsson 2:206/221 ANNOUNCE BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOS_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm-XE XR4 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_DOS CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR CheckPnt 1.0a O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 CHECKPNT FastEcho 1.45a T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FASTECHO FastEcho/16 1.45a T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FE16 FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTD FidoBBS (tm) 12u B S Ray Brown 1:1/117 FILES FrontDoor 2.12 M S JoHo 2:201/330 FD FrontDoor 2.20c M C JoHo 2:201/330 FDINFO GEcho 1.00 T S Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GEcho/Plus 1.11 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GED GoldED/386 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEX GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 18 18 Aug 1997 GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN Imail 1.75 T S Michael McCabe 1:1/121 IMAIL ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT InfoMail/86 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFOMAIL InfoMail/386 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFO386 InterEcho 1.19 T C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IEDEMO InterMail 2.29k M C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IMDEMO InterPCB 1.52 O S Peter Stewart 1:369/35 INTERPCB IPNet 1.11 O S Michele Stewart 1:369/21 IPNET JD's CBV 1.4 O S John Dailey 1:363/277 CBV Jelly-Bean 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY Jelly-Bean/386 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY386 JMail-Hudson 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-H JMail-Goldbase 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-G MakePl 1.9 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MAKEPL Marena 1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MARENA Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAX Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUE McMail 1.0 M S Michael McCabe 1:1/148 MCMAIL MDNDP 1.18 N S Bill Doyle 1:388/7 MDNDP Msged 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41D.ZIP Msged/386 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41X.ZIP NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFD Opus CBCS 1.79 B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14 OPUS O/T-Track 2.66 O S Peter Hampf 2:241/1090 OT PcMerge 2.8 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE PlatinumXpress 1.3 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PX13TD.ZIP QuickBBS 2.81 B S Ben Schollnick 1:2613/477 QUICKBBS RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR RemoteAccess 2.50 B S Mark Lewis 1:3634/12 RA Silver Xpress Door 5.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 FILES Reader 4.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 SXR44.ZIP Spitfire 3.51 B S Mike Weaver 1:3670/3 SPITFIRE Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISH StealTag UK 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_UK StealTag NL 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_NL T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL Telegard 3.02 B F Tim Strike 1:259/423 TELEGARD Terminate 4.00 O S Bo Bendtsen 2:254/261 TERMINATE Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK TosScan 1.01 T C JoHo 2:201/330 TSINFO TransNet 1.00 G S Marc S. Ressl 4:904/72 TN100ALL.ZIP TriBBS 11.0 B S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIBBS TriDog 11.0 T F Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIDOG TriToss 11.0 T S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRITOSS WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE WWIV 4.24a B S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIV WWIVTOSS 1.36 T S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIVTOSS xMail 2.00 T S Thorsten Franke 2:2448/53 XMAIL XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XRDOS OS/2: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ALLFIX/2 1.10 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 AFIXOS2 FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 19 18 Aug 1997 BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BOS2_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm-XE XR4 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_OS2 CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR FastEcho 1.45a T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FE2 FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLST FleetStreet 1.20 O S Michael Hohner 2:2490/2520 FLEET GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXP Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUEP Msged/2 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41O.ZIP NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEF PcMerge 2.3 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR2 Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISHP T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL2 Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XROS2 Windows (16-bit apps): Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL FrontDoor APX 1.12 P S Mats Wallin 2:201/329 FDAPXW Windows (32-bit apps): Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Argus 95 2.62 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ARGUS95 Argus NT 2.62 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ARGUSNT Argus NT/IP 2.62 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ARGUSIP BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BW32_260.ZIP CFRoute 0.92 O G C. 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BBS at 1-904-409-7040 anytime except 0100-0130 ET and Zone 1 ZMH at 1200-9600+ HST/V32B. The FidoNews key is also available on the FidoNews homepage listed in the Masthead information. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 22 18 Aug 1997 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as of this appearance. ============ FidoNet: Homepage http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html HTML FNews http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6894/ WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html FTSC page http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/ftsc/ftscmirr.htm Echomail http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html ============ Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Region 13: http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm Region 14: http://www.netins.net/showcase/fidonet/ Region 15: [disappeared?] Region 16: http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm Region 17: http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm REC17: http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/ Region 18: http://www.citicom.com/fido.html Region 19: http://www.compconn.net ============ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ZEC2: http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/zec.htm Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/ Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German) Region 25: http://members.aol.com/Net254/ FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 23 18 Aug 1997 Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (in French) Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (in Swiss) Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (in Spanish) REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English) Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl ============ Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org ============ Zone 4: (not yet listed) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish) ============ Zone 5: http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm ============ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China) ============ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 24 18 Aug 1997 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ------- Editor: Christopher Baker Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees "FidoNews Editor" FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS 1-904-409-7040, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(ds) more addresses: Christopher Baker -- 1:18/14, cbaker84@digital.net cbaker84@aol.com cbaker84@msn.com (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews Editor P.O. Box 471 Edgewater, FL 32132-0471 U.S.A. voice: 1-904-409-3040 [1400-2100 ET only, please] [1800-0100 UTC/GMT] ------------------------------------------------------ FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation of individual articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of FidoNews. Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is Copyright 1997 Christopher Baker. All rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or the Editor. =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or file-request, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet. PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request FNEWS for the current month in one archive. Or file-request specific back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSEnn.ZIP] for a FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 25 18 Aug 1997 particular Issue. Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the current year [7], i.e., FNWSFEB7.ZIP for all the Issues from Feb 97. Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number 1 - 14 for 1984 - 1997, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in size from 48K to 1.4M. INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via: http://www.fidonet.org/fidonews.htm ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/ ftp://ftp.aminet.org/pub/aminet/comm/fido/ *=*=* You may obtain an email subscription to FidoNews by sending email to: jbarchuk@worldnet.att.net with a Subject line of: subscribe fnews-edist and no message in the message body. To remove your name from the email distribution use a Subject line of: unsubscribe fnews-edist with no message to the same address above. *=*=* You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6894/ STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request - Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from: ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents for that year's issues. The total set is currently about 11 Megs. =*=*=*= The current week's FidoNews and the FidoNews public-key are now also available almost immediately after publication on the Editor's new homepage on the World Wide Web at: http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an email link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over. =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= A PGP generated public-key is available for the FidoNews Editor from FIDONEWS 14-33 Page 26 18 Aug 1997 1:1/23 [1:18/14] by file-request for FNEWSKEY or by download from Rights On! BBS at 1-904-409-7040 as FIDONEWS.ASC in File Area 18. It is also posted twice a month into the PKEY_DROP Echo available on the Zone 1 Echomail Backbone. *=*=*=*=* SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews Editor, or file-requestable from 1:1/23 [1:18/14] as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". ALL Zone Coordinators also have copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it. "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141, and are used with permission. "Disagreement is actually necessary, or we'd all have to get in fights or something to amuse ourselves and create the requisite chaos." -Tom Jennings -30- -----------------------------------------------------------------