F I D O N E W S -- Volume 14, Number 31 4 August 1997 +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-904-409-7040 [1:1/23] | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: | | | (*) | \ )) | Christopher Baker 1:18/14 | | |__U__| / \// | | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: FidoNews Editor 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> cbaker84@digital.net | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of FidoNews or the internet gateway FAQ | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ This Issue is Headline Free! Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 Welcome to KvetchNet? .................................... 1 2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2 Fido decline not merely technical ........................ 2 3. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 4 Problems in R25 .......................................... 4 FLAME mailing list ....................................... 5 FidoNet Via Internet Hubs ................................ 7 Zone 6 Name Servers needed ............................... 7 4. ARTICLES ................................................. 9 FidoNet need just one more piece of software ............. 9 Say goodbye to equal access? ............................. 10 5. GETTING TECHNICAL ........................................ 17 Another response about InetTM flags ...................... 17 6. NET HUMOR ................................................ 19 Geek Theology? ........................................... 19 7. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 20 Announcing the WRESTLING_CHAT Echo ....................... 20 8. NOTICES .................................................. 21 Future History ........................................... 21 9. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................................. 22 Latest Greatest Software Versions ........................ 22 10. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY ..................................... 26 FidoNews PGP public-key listing .......................... 26 And more! FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 1 4 Aug 1997 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Sometimes it seems like complaining is the only exercise some folks in FidoNet ever get but I'm sure it's just a by-product of the culture of whiners produced by the 'ME' generation. At least we don't have law suits going over every imagined slight or superficial wounding as they do in the real world. Every cloud has a silver lining? [grin] There is at least one real alert in today's Issue for those in the U.S.A. Basic privacy is under threat again in the 'land of the free' and unless the masses wake up, their next nap may end in a police state. Kinda makes one want to check out the next local militia meeting. [yikes!] I notice the Echomail weenies still don't want to go start their own Echomail network instead of trying to convert this one. If we could harness all this unproductive flaming energy, we could send Jodie Foster to Vega without a machine. I haven't seen or heard anything of the results of the Zone 3 Coordinator election so there is no follow-up this week. Who won? Zone 6 needs server assistance and asks for it below. We do get constructive material from time to time and are happy to assist. Would anyone out there be interested in translated editions of FidoNews? Does anyone have or make software that could handle such a task? C.B. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 2 4 Aug 1997 ================================================================= GUEST EDITORIAL ================================================================= From: Ken Wiebe Subject: Fido decline is not merely a technical issue I've been involved with fidonet for many years, first as a BBS user, and for the past 7 or 8 years as sysop of the Classical Liberal BBS (1:340/47). Your guest editorial in FIDONEWS -- Volume 14, Number 28 14 July 1997 was right on the money in his assessment of the technical aspects related to the decline of fidonet, and the possible uses of the internet to reverse that decline. However, there is much more to this than the technical considerations. Technical decline has happened in fidonet not because of foreign competition from the internet, but rather, it is due to rot from within fidonet. The last paragraph of your guest editorial asks the crucial question: >>>> Only one question remains. The question that remains is this: are there enough good people, hackers, developers, visionaries, and interest left in the FidoNet to make this new "FidoNet-IP" a reality? <<<< The fact that such people exist is not in doubt. The fact that many of them are involved to some extent with fidonet is not in doubt. So the question is: Why is this not being done now? I suggest that answer to that question lies in the organizational makeup of fidonet. Fidonet is a hobbyists network, a network composed of people who like the autonomy and the freedom of a hobby network, where every sysop is the master of his little domain. In essence, it is a tinkerer's dream. Much like the intrepid inventors of the 19th century, every fido sysop has his own little tricks, his own particular style, and his own way of doing things on his BBS. And that is how it should be. That's what makes fidonet an interesting and enjoyable hobby. However, there is a problem. In order for all the sysops to send mail, some order has to be drawn out of the chaos and that led to the creation of a fidonet hierarchy for the purposes of establishing standards. Nothing wrong with that, so far as it goes, but in recent years it has gone well beyond that, to the point that certain fidonet personalities have exceeded their legitimate role and now meddle in every aspect of fidonet. They have gone as far as threatening to sever links to whole nodes as a means of avoiding the embarrassment of admitting to some serious errors in judgement. A certain amount of 'big-shot-ism' is to be expected in any volunteer organization, but when it is allowed to grow beyond being merely annoying, to the point where a few people can order Planet Connect feed-cuts to whole nodes for non-technical (political) reasons, then it is no longer a fun hobby for anyone who is harassed and threatened FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 3 4 Aug 1997 in that manner. Such treatment was the reason I severed nearly all involvement with fidonet, and I do not anticipate re-joining in any significant way until this problem is adequately addressed by the net. And, I am far from being alone in this assessment of fidonet. Nobody with any talent will invest much time and effort in fidonet- related developments only to see their efforts sabotaged by a small clique of power-drunk oafs. Especially when those power-drunk oafs are intent on running the whole show and exercising editorial control of fidonet. Who needs that sort of hassle? In conclusion, yes, there are technical issues to resolve if fidonet is to reverse it's decline... but compared to the organizational issues, the technical ones are minor. If we re-structure fidonet to be what it was supposed to be, organized anarchy without any kings, potentates or fidoghods... then fidonet might actually attract (and keep) sufficient good people, hackers, developers and visionaries with enough interest in fidonet to make it worthwhile. Or, leave the Bodgers, Walkers and Stecks of the world in position to run roughshod over people and watch fidonet die. It's your net, and it's your choice. Ken Wiebe Classical Liberal BBS (1:340/47) kwiebe@mail.spydernet.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 4 4 Aug 1997 ================================================================= LETTERS TO THE EDITOR ================================================================= Date: 29 Jul 97 15:55:29 From: Steve Woodmore on 2:440/410 WOODY'S LINE 1 in Orpington Kent To: CHRISTOPHER BAKER on 1:18/14 Rights On! in Edgewater FL Subj: Automatic Message From VMAIL 7.09 ______________________________________________________________________ Hi Chris, Please publish this in the next fidonews for me :) ====================================================================== Protecting the Innocent Here in R25 we have just had a problem with a BBS USER exploiting a previously unknown hole within the "Blue Wave" mail door. This has led to an explosion of obscene "Spams" being posted to almost every available echo here in this region. As sysops we can only ever be "re-active" and certainly NOT "pro- active". Because these "Spams" crossed the "pond" into Z1, as ZEC/2 my inbox has been full this week of Z1 moderators requesting that the sysops who allowed these "Spams" to be posted from their systems be excluded from their echoes. Well In conjunction with REC25, as ZEC I will make sure that just will not be happening. Forget it, neither of us will sanction a feed cut against a sysop who could not know about this hole. I am amazed that some people could even write some of the things that they have, I have had one guy telling me to cut access to the whole of NET254 (London Net) because one system in NET254 was hit by this "spammer". Incredible!.... These sysops were innocently duped by this "Spammer". As ZEC and in conjunction with REC25, we made a decision last week that I thought we would never have to make. Both of us interfered with and deleted echomail in transit through our systems, REC25 removed the "spams" from internal R25 echomail, and I removed them from outbound R25 echomail to Z1. We did this for several reasons, To protect the innocent sysops who were duped from over zealous Z1 moderators, to protect other sysops FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 5 4 Aug 1997 who have to move the mail from higher phone bills, and to stop this "spammers" fun. This is (I hope) the only time I will ever have to interfere with In transit echomail again, and it is the only action that will be taken in regards to these "spams". I am not the only route for outbound echomail from R25, and these "spams" may well have got out through other routes. As a region (R25) we have now done everything possible to minimise this problem, so any requests for feeds to cut over this arriving here will just go > NULL. Steve Woodmore 2:440/410 ZEC/2 2:2/200 Cliff Harrold 2:442/403 REC25 2:25/10 --- E-mail : steve@proteus.demon.co.uk http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- --- Following message extracted from FIDONEWS @ 1:18/14 --- By Christopher Baker on Sun Aug 03 18:16:24 1997 From: steve steffler To: christopher baker Date: 01 Aug 97 22:06:46 Subj: "Welcome to the FLAME Mailing list!" Can you post this in the snooze, please, Chris? thanks. ====================================================================== * Forwarded by steve steffler (1:342/52.3) * Area : FN_SYSOP * From : steve steffler, 1:342/52.3 (01-Aug-97 22:01:37) * To : All * Subj : "Welcome to the FLAME Mailing list!" ====================================================================== ss> What do you get back if you send email to listserv@gen.lcrnet.org ss> with "SUBSCRIBE FLAME" in the body of the message? Somethin' a ss> little like the following... /* (FLAME-L.WEL) Welcome to the FLAME mailing list! This mailing list is connected to the FLAME discussion group, which was formerly part of the Fidonet North American Backbone distribution system. Since it was pulled from the backbone, a group of the regulars have dedicated themselves to make it as available as possible to anyone, regardless of the tyranny Fidonet hands out at times. As a FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 6 4 Aug 1997 result, steve steffler (steve@gen.lcrnet.org) has provided this mailing list, which will allow anyone with an internet email address (which encompasses a LOT of people) to participate in the FLAME echo. What is the FLAME echo? For years, the FLAME echo has been an internationally distributed Fidonet discussion group where anyone could come in and vent their anger or have some fun by insulting (or FLAMEing) the other people there, and the occasional uninformed newbie that would venture in. Since the people in charge of the North American Fidonet Backbone (an entity which distributes the Fidonet content to many points as a commercial service) was getting itself flamed to death in the FLAME echo, it decided to play war games, and pulled FLAME from the backbone, leaving it with only a few people who could access it (those who were connected to it via the Planet Connect service - see http://www.pconnect.com). Slowly but surely, many Regional Coordinators and just plain good hearted individuals who were concerned about echomail censorship decided to create their own distribution system to replace the dictators in Fidonet. Thus, the Fidospine and RATBB (Route Around The Bastards Backbone) were formed. FLAME is once again active, containing an average of 30-40 new messages a day, and since it is not an official entity of Fidonet any longer, the general rules of Fidonet do not necessarily apply. As a result, this mailing list was born, to facilitate bringing more FLAMErs into the echo who wouldn't normally have access to it. We are targeting the potential FLAMErs of newsgroups like the alt.flame.* hierarchy and exFLAMErs who had their connection to FLAME cut when the North American Backbone exercised their stupidity. The moderator of FLAME is John Clifton, but he has essentially cut loose the echo, since he was sick of the way those in power were treating himself and it. His old rules were essentially this: 1) No excessive swearing, but the occasional four letter word here and there is acceptable. 2) No encoded files (MIME,UUE,etc) are to be posted to the mailing list or the echo. 3) Do not forge your message to make it appear as if you are someone else. [Help! I need an old copy of the rules, these are all i can remember right now! Email me at steve@gen.lcrnet.org if you have a copy, or reply to this message with them.] You subscribed to the mailing list by putting SUBSCRIBE FLAME in a message to listserv@gen.lcrnet.org, didn't you? Well, to unsubscribe, simply write a message to listserv@gen.lcrnet.org with UNSUBSCRIBE FLAME in the text of the message (subject line is irrelevant). All messages received through the mailing list are also posted in or from the Fidonet FLAME echo, and all messages you post will be posted to that echo. Thank you for signing up to the FLAME echo mailing list! FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 7 4 Aug 1997 */ ss> NOTE: Also available: The REAL_FREE_SPEECH echo, as per ss> moderator request. Email for details. ss> steve@gen.lcrnet.org * http://generica.home.ml.org ======================================================= ----------------------------------------------------------------- --- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 --- By Christopher Baker on Fri Aug 01 03:22:21 1997 From: C. Ingersoll @ 1:2623/71 To: Editor @ 1:1/23 Date: 01 Aug 97 02:14:20 Subj: Fidonet via Internet Hubs Fidonet Via Internet Hubs Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ 1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo. 1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton | FTP,VMoT,TX | 64k | $20mo. 1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo. 1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP,TX | T1 | $5/$20 1:2222/1 | Ed Georgen | FTP,TX | T1 | unkn 1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,TX | T1 | unkn 1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP | ??? | $1mo. 1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo. 1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VFOS | 33.6 | $15yr. 1:2651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,TX | ??? | unkn 1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo. 1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 1:330/204 | Patrick Rosenheim | TX | 28.8 | $25yr. 1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,TX | T1 | $10mo. 1:342/1022 | Steve Steffler | TX,UUE,F2I | 33.6 | n/c 1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP | T1 | $25mo. 2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c -- * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * F2I = Fido2Int (W95) * UUE = uuencode<->email packet transfers * TX = TransX (Proprietary uuencode<->email packet transfer software) compiled by Cindy Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, fbn@cyberEnet.net Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews. --- * Origin: * Fly By Night * (609)814-1978 *(1:2623/71) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:57:16 +0800 (SGT) FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 8 4 Aug 1997 From: Ivan Shim To: cbaker84@digital.net Subject: Fidonet Zone 6 Name Servers Hello C Baker, Could you kindly edit and submit the following either as part of your editorial or as a snippet in an upcoming FidoNews. Thanks. --- Start Calling all Fidonetters who are able to run name servers in Zone 6. Currently only Taiwan and Philippines are running name servers for nets in the .z6.fidonet.org domain. I would like to call out to members in the fidonet community in the remaining regions and nets in Zone 6 to run their own name servers. So that I may be able to delegate name server records for nets in the remaining Regions. They are India, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Macau, Japan & Korea. Thank you. Dr Ivan Shim Zone 6 Name Server Manager --- End ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Ivan Shim Pager: +65 9-307-7003 E-mail: ivan@shim.org URL http://www.shim.org/~ivan/ Currently in the Accident & Emergency (A&E) Department, New Changi Hospital (NCH), Singapore. From May 1997 to October 1997. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 9 4 Aug 1997 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= FIDONET NEEDS JUST ONE MORE LITTLE PIECE OF SOFTWARE By Pete Snidal, 1:354/910 Let's face it; whether you use it yourself or not, you have to acknowledge that what made Fidonet was the advent of Binkleyterm, Squishmail, and Maximus. There followed a number of "easier" and "slicker" programmes, but these pioneers of Fidonet Messaging Technology are what gave us this marvelous little network we have today. Well, now, I suggest, if Fidonet is to "meet the challenge of the Internet," (gag! puke!) it's time somebody developed just one more piece we can add to the suite. I read with great interest the anonymous letter from a sysop about the need for compatibility of netmail with internet email. This could be the thing which would undoubtedly save Fidonet from the (some feel) imminent death by internet. Personally, I feel that there are many things that Fido does better - Fidoechoes are far superior to Usenet newsgroups or mailing lists, for instance. In friendliness, ease of use, and just plain inexpense. Access to Fidoechoes doesn't cost the $15 to $30 per month that a user has to pay to access the internet and its newsgroups. But it is a serious fact that email and netmail have to merge somehow. In the early days of snailmail, it quickly became apparent that more than one non-interconnected mail service just didn't cut it - that's why governments stepped in. In the days of the Fidonet/Internet mailgate(s), it was a little better, but this was awkward and little used. Much better would be for each Fidonet node itself to be gated to the internet. "Whoa!," you say? Radical? Not really. A mild melding of the two systems in this way could well mean the saving of Fidonet, by the introduction of a new, super-powerful service we could call Fidonet II - Son of Fidonet. If your node had an internet account, here's what could be accomplished: 1) You could set up to up and down your mail packets each day by ftp'ing your hub. Well, actually, the ftp site which your net would have to have set up for the purpose, as many have as we speak. End of LD polling. End of PConnect. 2) If the software existed, why not also have your node "poll" your ISP and drop off/pick up all your users email a number of times per day? Hourly would be fine, or, for outbound, even Continuous Mail - when a user drops off email, as soon as s/he drops carrier, your bbs, with its fancy new as-yet-to-be-developed software, dials your isp and exchanges email packets. Your tosser then tosses any incoming email FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 10 4 Aug 1997 into your netmail area, addressed to the right persons, of course, and Bob's yer uncle! This kind of setup could be accomplished, if the software existed, that is, with single-line systems, for no more than the price of the ISP account. And most sysops already have one of those anyway. If you don't, there should be enough time left over for you to play in the web and stuff as a bonus. What would be the advantage of Fido thus sullying its pure-hobbyist hands with such a system? Well, first of all, it would allow us to offer a much-needed service to a number of prospective users - that of inexpensive email. Email, after all, is what most users of the internet use most. Once the thrill of webbing and ftping has worn off, email remains as without doubt the most useful aspect of the net for the average person. Many people with computers, who are currently IN or Fido unconnected would like to have email, but are balking at paying $15.00/mo and up for the service. Some small "off-shoot" providers are already offering up email-only accounts for $5.00/mo, and these are going over well. As a local computer consultant, I have had lots of people tell me, "I can buy lots of stamps for $15.00 a month." But I know that if I could offer them email service for a more nominal fee they'd jump on it. And your local friendly Fidonet bbs could be the place from which to make this offer. All we need is the software. Something which would allow the user to post and read email in a message area (such as Netmail) and would transparently ship it off and bring in the incoming through an invisible (to the user) isp. We would of course charge the nominal fee for this service. This would be a departure from the laudable no- charge aspect of Fidonet - one of which we are most of us justly proud, but would be necessary to offset the cost of the ISP. But the rest of Fidonet's many benefits would still be offered for no charge to users of the email portion of the node or not. This, I believe, is the gimmick which would save Fidonet. If the software only existed. Anybody care enough to write it? http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/ :Users Say 30%More Gas Mileage! ----------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Pozar Subject: Calif Senate Pub Rcds Task Force about to trash equal access!!! (fwd) To: cbaker84@digital.net Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jwarren@well.com Calif Senate Public Records Task Force about to trash equal access!!! by Tim Pozar pozar@kumr.lns.com The following is a missive from Jim Warren. Jim has lead the FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 11 4 Aug 1997 crusade to get public records out to the public for some years now. (What a concept...) He has and is advisor to a number of committees crafting legislation for low-cost or free distribution via electronic media, primarily computer networks. The message below alerts us to the fact that the Executive branch of the State of California wants to charge big bucks for distribution by any means of public records by anyone other than 503c corps or news folks. This means if you run a BBS that charges for access and you distribute this material you could end up being charge some hefty amounts. Please make your voice heard that you want to see State and Federal public records available for anyone for low cost or free. Thanks... Tim Pozar -- Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 18:47:18 -0800 From: Jim Warren Subject: Calif Senate Pub Rcds Task Force about to trash equal access!!! [TIME-SENSITIVE! Please repost and recirculate widely! NOW!] California guv'ment insider hustlers are about to SCREW modern public records access! On August 7th (surprise! -- exactly while the most number of citizens are on vacation). My apologies for the length of the following, but it is the verbatim *KEY* proposal for final adoption by the California Senate Task Force on Electronic Access to Public Records, to be recommended for inclusion in Senate Bill 74 (by the *former* open-govt advocate, Sen. Quentin Kopp [I-San Francisco]. It will radically revise the equal-access and low-cost principles of the state's CPRA - California Public Records Act -- that have been in place for decades. The Task Force has been dominated by public-agency bureaucrats who zealously demand the freedom to charge MUCH MORE than the "direct cost of duplication," that has been the limit on public-records copying fees for decades! And this would totally demolish the equally long-standing principle that *access* (as opposed to presumed-paper copies) would be free, in the case of remote, online access to already-computerized public records! IF ENACTED, EVERY wee-profit BBS and ISP THAT MIGHT OTHERWISE PROVIDE PUBLIC ACCESS TO PUBLIC RECORDS ALREADY-COMPUTERIZED AT TAX-PAYER EXPENSE, WOULD HAVE TO PAY RADICALLY-INCREASED COSTS TO THE AGENCY PROVIDING THE RECORDS. THIS WILL HAVE A *MONUMENTALLY* CHILLING EFFECT ON MODERN/ONLINE PUBLIC ACCESS! FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 12 4 Aug 1997 Instead of the long-standing principle of charging *only* direct copying costs -- now that copying computer records would often cost less than the cost of accounting for the pennies it costs to make the copy --*now*, powerful bureaucrats who can't find enough money to spend want to throw the door wide open, collecting *all* the costs for *all* of, "actual cost of providing the record, which may include the costs of search, retrieval, review, segregation, and duplication." There is no prohibition against including in those "actual costs," things such as prorated staff retirement benefits, janitorial services, building and equipment depreciation, etc. -- as has already been repeatedly *urged* by some bureaucrats. "For profit" researchers and writers -- that is, those expecting to be *paid* for their independent or free-lance efforts, would be forced to pay the same massively-increased costs. However, the politically powerful California Newspaper Publishers Association has had included an exemption for themselves and anyone working for a "a news gathering organization." [Sec. 1.(1)b., below] If you care about *equal* and *duplication-cost-only* access to *modern* [computerized] public records in Californica , SPEAK UP *RIGHT* NOW! * *Especially*, call and write the Editorial-Page Editors of your local newspapers. Pronto! * Call and write your elected so-called state AND city and county "representatives" -- and ask them to clearly state their position! (Well-paid lobbyists for the Calif cities [League of California Cities] and counties [California State Association of Counties] have been the most ardent, insistent and zealous -- and effective -- opponents of free pub rcds access and dup-cost-only pub rcds copies. It is the LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHO ARE MOST OPPOSED to equal copying- cost-only public access! Increasingly! All of this decade!) (Interestingly, Silicon Valley's Santa Clara County has LED the fight for higher fees and monopoly sales of public records for much of this decade!) * And let the members of the Senate Electronic Records Task Force), below (only *some* of whom are online, know your position -- for what little good that may do. (Hey!, they want to make more money from their information monopolies!) --fed-up-jim [Protesting its bias, I resigned from this Task Force, some months ago.] Jim Warren, activist-in-burnout & Contributing Editor (MicroTimes) jwarren@well.com; 345 Swett Rd, Woodside CA 94062; 415-851-7075 [self-inflating puff: Hugh Hefner First-Amendment Award, Playboy FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 13 4 Aug 1997 Foundation; James Madison Freedom-of-Information Award, Soc. of Prof. Journalists-Nor.Cal.; Electronic Frontier Foundation Pioneer Award (in its first year, 1992); founded InfoWorld magazine; the Computers, Freedom & Privacy confs; blah blah blah] === [Kopp aide Teri Burns has run the Senate Task Force since its creation, last year; Kopp never appeared. Also, don't blame me for the formatting and line-overruns, below. I tried to explain email formatting to them for months! --jim] Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:23:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Teri Burns Subject: 1 Last E-records Task Force Meeting I'd like to have 1 last meeting to review these 2 drafts (#3 & 4) for possible amendments to SB 74. Please join us in the CNPA conference room on Thursday, August 7th at 9:30am. (1225 8th street, Suite 260, Sacramento, for those who've forgotten). We will adjourn in time for lunch. If there is support for either of these drafts or some revised version, we will move them forward as amendments. If not, we will simply make available the summary document from our prior meeting which indicates areas of consensus and controversy surrounding this issue. This will be our final meeting. If you cannot come, please provide written comments. There is no version which includes the additional surcharge on commercial users as we discussed at our last meeting because the Legislative Counsel opinion suggests it will likely be viewed as a tax. I believe we determined previously not to pursue that option if such were the case. Thanks to all who have participated in this lengthy process. Please advise me at teri.burns@sen.ca.gov or (916) 324-6928 if you will be attending on 8/7. Thanks. Teri Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-description: 3rd revise task force draft DRAFT #3 7/97 Amendments to SB 74 1. On page 6, line 29 after the word "so.", add: Agencies shall provide a copy of an electronic record in the format requested, unless, in light of surrounding circumstances, it is not reasonable to do so, provided that the requested format is one which FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 14 4 Aug 1997 has been used by the agency to create copies for its own use or for provision to other agencies. Electronic copies of records shall be made promptly available upon payment of fees as follows: (1) Except when the records are requested for a commercial purpose, electronic copies of records shall be made available upon payment of fees representing the direct cost of duplication or a statutory fee. For purposes of this section, "commercial purpose" means any use that furthers the commercial, trade, or profit interests of the requester or person on whose behalf the request is made. Commercial purpose does not include any of the following: a. A request made by a 501 (c) (?) nonprofit corporation, so long as the information requested is not used for any purpose in which the corporation would be required to pay income tax under state or federal law. b. a request made by a person who, through contract or employment, is a publisher, editor or reporter with a news gathering organization and makes the request in that capacity for a news gathering purpose. (2) For requests in which the information is to be used for any commercial purpose, the records shall be made available upon payment of the actual cost of providing the record, which may include the costs of search, retrieval, review, segregation, and duplication. All funds collected by an agency shall be used by the agency exclusively for the purposes described in section 6253.1 and for no other purpose. Except as authorized by this section, no other fees may be charged for copies of records. Nothing in this section pertaining to information maintained in electronic form expands, modifies or limits any requirement, exemption, or other provision contained elsewhere in this chapter. 2. On page 6, line 29, before the word, "Each", add: "(c)" and reletter the rest of the section. 3. On page 7, line 31, delete: "(a) Computerized data shall be provided in a form to be determined by the agency." 4. On page 7, line 33, delete: "(b)" - ____________________________________________________________________ CORE PARAGRAPH FOR STATEMENT OF INTENT LETTER (to be signed by interested parties and filed with the Senate Journal): FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 15 4 Aug 1997 In interpreting whether disclosure of a copy of a record in an electronic format is reasonable under surrounding circumstances, we are mindful of the dictionary definitions of the term "reasonable." These definitions consistently indicate that the term reasonable means moderate, inexpensive, fair, suitable under the circumstances, and not excessive. Thus, if disclosure of a copy of a record in electronic form is consistent with these concepts, the agency would be expected to make disclosure in that form. Some examples of circumstances in which it would not be reasonable to require compliance with the general rule would include the following situations: * Significant reprogramming or the creation of new software would be necessary to fulfill the request; and * The task of redacting or segregating exempt from disclosable material would be unduly burdensome. Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-description: 4th revise task force draft DRAFT #4 7/97 without expanded charge Amendments to SB 74 1. On page 6, line 29 after the word "so.", add: Agencies shall provide a copy of an electronic record in the format requested, unless, in light of surrounding circumstances, it is not reasonable to do so, provided that the requested format is one which has been used by the agency to create copies for its own use or for provision to other agencies. Electronic copies of records shall be made promptly available upon payment of fees representing the direct cost of duplication or a statutory fee. Nothing in this section pertaining to information maintained in electronic form expands, modifies or limits any requirement, exemption, or other provision contained elsewhere in this chapter. 2. On page 7, line 31, delete: "(a) Computerized data shall be provided in a form to be determined by the agency." 3. On page 7, line 33, delete: "(b)" ______________________________________________________________________ CORE PARAGRAPH FOR STATEMENT OF INTENT LETTER (to be signed by interested parties and filed with the Senate Journal): In interpreting whether disclosure of a copy of a record in an electronic format is reasonable under surrounding circumstances, we FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 16 4 Aug 1997 are mindful of the dictionary definitions of the term "reasonable." These definitions consistently indicate that the term reasonable means moderate, inexpensive, fair, suitable under the circumstances, and not excessive. Thus, if disclosure of a copy of a record in electronic form is consistent with these concepts, the agency would be expected to make disclosure in that form. Some examples of circumstances in which it would not be reasonable to require compliance with the general rule would include the following situations: * Significant reprogramming or the creation of new software would be necessary to fulfill the request; and * The task of redacting or segregating exempt from disclosable material would be unduly burdensome. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 17 4 Aug 1997 ================================================================= GETTING TECHNICAL ================================================================= A response to lee Kindness's Counter proposal InetTM flags by Steve Woodmore, 2:440/410, 2:2/200 Z2EC "Internet as a transport mechanism for fidonet A proposal for Nodelist flags" LK> SW> by Steve Woodmore, 2:440/410 (2:2/200 ZEC/2) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ LK>Pointless flag waving by the power-hungry Z2EC, Steve what LK>relevance has that to a technical specification? You are LK>2:440/410, nothing more, nothing less. Anyway, let's move away LK>from this pointless hohee and onto something more LK>constructive... No!, lets just stay here for a minute. It seems you fail to understand What the ?EC chain is, and what their Perceived (by you) power is. Perhaps you would care to explain to everyone, EXACTLY what Power A ZEC actually has? Everything I do, I do for the good of fidonet, I have spent thousands of pounds of my own money on this hobby, I have asked for nothing in return except for one thing, that the nodelist stops shrinking and we Find ways to encourage people back into fidonet. The Internet is with us now, we cannot avoid it. So with this in mind I sat down and tried to find a way to depart information to nodes as to how they can get connected to fidonet through the Internet. I am a "doer" not a "talker", in other words if I see something that I think needs doing, i will try and do it, and not just sit Around flapping my lips and trying to insult everyone that attempts anything. I wrote my proposal, and i didn't expect it to be accepted "Ad-Hoc" for one minute, however it did do what i expected, its galvanised people into thinking about it, talking about it, and coming up with ways to implement it. The rest of your response was fine, it was well thought out and presented and has lots of merit. However your petty insults at the beginning are indicative of every thing that is wrong in fidonet today, you just couldn't write something constructive could you?, you just had to have your little dig, didn't you? Next time you respond to someone who is trying to improve the network for all of us, step out from behind your petty little ego, and think FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 18 4 Aug 1997 of the reasons as to why people do things. Power???, don't make me laugh, go and read the relevant policies In force for our Zone again, and this time understand them. --- E-mail : steve@proteus.demon.co.uk http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 19 4 Aug 1997 ================================================================= NET HUMOR ================================================================= From: "Mike Riddle" To: "Baker, Christopher" Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 07:29:17 -0600 Reply-To: "Mike Riddle" Subject: Fwd: Geek Theology ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== Geek Theology Author Unknown In the beginning, God created the bit. And the bit was a zero. On the first day, he toggled the 0 to 1, and the Universe was. (In those days, bootstrap loaders were simple, and "active low" signals didn't yet exist.) On the second day, God's boss wanted a demo, and tried to read the bit. This being volatile memory, the bit reverted to a 0. And the universe wasn't. God learned the importance of backups and memory refresh, and spent the rest of the day (and his first all-nighter) reinstalling the universe. On the third day, the bit cried "Oh, Lord! If you exist, give me a sign!" And God created rev 2.0 of the bit, even better than the original prototype. Those in Universe Marketing immediately realized that "new and improved" wouldn't do justice to such a grand and glorious creation. And so it was dubbed the Most Significant Bit. Many bits followed, but only one was so honored. On the fourth day, God created a simple ALU with 'add' and 'logical shift' instructions. And the original bit discovered that -- by performing a single shift instruction -- it could become the Most Significant Bit. And God realized the importance of computer security. On the fifth day, God created the first mid-life kicker, rev 2.0 of the ALU, with wonderful features, and said "Forget that add and shift stuff. Go forth and multiply." And God saw that it was good. On the sixth day, God got a bit overconfident, and invented pipelines, register hazards, optimizing compilers, crosstalk, restartable instructions, microinterrupts, race conditions, and propagation delays. Historians have used this to convincingly argue that the sixth day must have been a Monday. On the seventh day, an engineering change introduced Windows into the Universe, and it hasn't worked right since. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 20 4 Aug 1997 ================================================================= ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ================================================================= Emanuel Edwards 1:348/963 emanuel@pangea.ca IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL SYSOPS!!!!!! Hello all Sysops and Co_Sysops: If you want to get lots of User on your BBS I suggest you request the WRESTLING_CHAT on your BBS: On the wrestling_chat you can get all the Latest News, great wrestling scoops and great wrestling advertisement. Plus there are professional wrestlers reading the messages and posting messages on the echo. The echo tag is called WRESTLING_CHAT. Sysops around the world is requesting that echo daily. Please request the Wrestling_chat today and don't get left behind from some great excitement and entertainment on the WRESTLING_CHAT. Mark my wordS "YOU WON'T REGRET IT" Regards Emanuel Moderator Barry Laws Jr Co_Moderator ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 21 4 Aug 1997 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= Future History 25 Sep 1997 Happy Birthday, Joaquim H. Homrighausen 13 Oct 1997 Thanksgiving Day, Canada. 1 Dec 1997 World AIDS Day. 10 Dec 1997 Nobel Day, Sweden. 12 Jan 1998 HAL 9000 is one year old today. 30 Apr 1998 Queens Day, Holland. 22 May 1998 Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens. 1 Dec 1998 Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by Tom Jennings. 31 Dec 1999 Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed. 1 Jan 2000 The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec. 15 Sep 2000 Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens. 1 Jan 2001 This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E. -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 22 4 Aug 1997 ================================================================= FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= Latest Greatest Software Versions by Peter E. Popovich, 1:363/264 Deadsville over here. A total of two updates in the last three weeks. -=- Snip -=- Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column OS Platform : Software package name : Version : Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. : Freeware / Shareware / Commercial? : Author / Support staff contact name : Author / Support staff contact node : Magic name (at the above-listed node) : Please include a sentence describing what the package does. Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264 -=- Snip -=- MS-DOS: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Act-Up 4.6 G D Chris Gunn 1:15/55 ACT-UP ALLFIX 4.40 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 ALLFIX Announcer 1.11 O S Peter Karlsson 2:206/221 ANNOUNCE BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOS_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm-XE XR4 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_DOS CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR CheckPnt 1.0a O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 CHECKPNT FastEcho 1.45a T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FASTECHO FastEcho/16 1.45a T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FE16 FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTD FidoBBS (tm) 12u B S Ray Brown 1:1/117 FILES FrontDoor 2.12 M S JoHo 2:201/330 FD FrontDoor 2.20c M C JoHo 2:201/330 FDINFO GEcho 1.00 T S Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GEcho/Plus 1.11 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GED GoldED/386 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEX GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN Imail 1.75 T S Michael McCabe 1:1/121 IMAIL FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 23 4 Aug 1997 ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT InfoMail/86 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFOMAIL InfoMail/386 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFO386 InterEcho 1.19 T C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IEDEMO InterMail 2.29k M C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IMDEMO InterPCB 1.52 O S Peter Stewart 1:369/35 INTERPCB IPNet 1.11 O S Michele Stewart 1:369/21 IPNET JD's CBV 1.4 O S John Dailey 1:363/277 CBV Jelly-Bean 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY Jelly-Bean/386 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY386 JMail-Hudson 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-H JMail-Goldbase 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-G MakePl 1.9 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MAKEPL Marena 1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MARENA Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAX Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUE McMail 1.0 M S Michael McCabe 1:1/148 MCMAIL MDNDP 1.18 N S Bill Doyle 1:388/7 MDNDP Msged 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41D.ZIP Msged/386 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41X.ZIP NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFD Opus CBCS 1.79 B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14 OPUS O/T-Track 2.66 O S Peter Hampf 2:241/1090 OT PcMerge 2.8 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE PlatinumXpress 1.3 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PX13TD.ZIP QuickBBS 2.81 B S Ben Schollnick 1:2613/477 QUICKBBS RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR RemoteAccess 2.50 B S Mark Lewis 1:3634/12 RA Silver Xpress Door 5.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 FILES Reader 4.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 SXR44.ZIP Spitfire 3.51 B S Mike Weaver 1:3670/3 SPITFIRE Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISH StealTag UK 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_UK StealTag NL 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_NL T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL Telegard 3.02 B F Tim Strike 1:259/423 TELEGARD Terminate 4.00 O S Bo Bendtsen 2:254/261 TERMINATE Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK TosScan 1.01 T C JoHo 2:201/330 TSINFO TransNet 1.00 G S Marc S. Ressl 4:904/72 TN100ALL.ZIP TriBBS 11.0 B S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIBBS TriDog 11.0 T F Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIDOG TriToss 11.0 T S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRITOSS WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE WWIV 4.24a B S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIV WWIVTOSS 1.36 T S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIVTOSS xMail 2.00 T S Thorsten Franke 2:2448/53 XMAIL XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XRDOS OS/2: Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ALLFIX/2 1.10 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 AFIXOS2 BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 24 4 Aug 1997 BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BOS2_260.ZIP BinkleyTerm-XE XR4 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_OS2 CFRoute 0.92 O G C. 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The FidoNews key is also available on the FidoNews homepage listed in the Masthead information. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 27 4 Aug 1997 ================================================================= FIDONET BY INTERNET ================================================================= This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as of this appearance. ============ FidoNet: Homepage http://www.fidonet.org FidoNews http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html HTML FNews http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6894/ WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html FTSC page http://www2.blaze.net.au/ftsc.html Echomail http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html ============ Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/ Region 13: http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm Region 14: http://www.netins.net/showcase/fidonet/ Region 15: [disappeared?] Region 16: http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm Region 17: http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm REC17: http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/ Region 18: http://www.citicom.com/fido.html Region 19: http://www.compconn.net ============ Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org ZEC2: http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/zec.htm Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/ Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish) Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German) Region 25: http://members.aol.com/Net254/ FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 28 4 Aug 1997 Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (in French) Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (in Swiss) Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian) Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (in Spanish) REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/ Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English) Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl ============ Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org ============ Zone 4: (not yet listed) Region 90: Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish) ============ Zone 5: (not yet listed) ============ Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China) ============ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 29 4 Aug 1997 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ------- Editor: Christopher Baker Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees "FidoNews Editor" FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS 1-904-409-7040, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(ds) more addresses: Christopher Baker -- 1:18/14, cbaker84@digital.net cbaker84@aol.com cbaker84@msn.com (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews Editor P.O. Box 471 Edgewater, FL 32132-0471 U.S.A. voice: 1-904-409-3040 [1400-2100 ET only, please] [1800-0100 UTC/GMT] ------------------------------------------------------ FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation of individual articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of FidoNews. Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is Copyright 1997 Christopher Baker. All rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or the Editor. =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or file-request, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet. PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request FNEWS for the current month in one archive. Or file-request specific back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSEnn.ZIP] for a FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 30 4 Aug 1997 particular Issue. Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the current year [7], i.e., FNWSFEB7.ZIP for all the Issues from Feb 97. Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number 1 - 14 for 1984 - 1997, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in size from 48K to 1.4M. INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via: http://www.fidonet.org/fidonews.htm ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/ ftp://ftp.aminet.org/pub/aminet/comm/fido/ *=*=* You may obtain an email subscription to FidoNews by sending email to: jbarchuk@worldnet.att.net with a Subject line of: subscribe fnews-edist and no message in the message body. To remove your name from the email distribution use a Subject line of: unsubscribe fnews-edist with no message to the same address above. *=*=* You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6894/ STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request - Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from: ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/ Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents for that year's issues. The total set is currently about 11 Megs. =*=*=*= The current week's FidoNews and the FidoNews public-key are now also available almost immediately after publication on the Editor's new homepage on the World Wide Web at: http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an email link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over. =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= A PGP generated public-key is available for the FidoNews Editor from FIDONEWS 14-31 Page 31 4 Aug 1997 1:1/23 [1:18/14] by file-request for FNEWSKEY or by download from Rights On! BBS at 1-904-409-7040 as FIDONEWS.ASC in File Area 18. It is also posted twice a month into the PKEY_DROP Echo available on the Zone 1 Echomail Backbone. *=*=*=*=* SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews Editor, or file-requestable from 1:1/23 [1:18/14] as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". ALL Zone Coordinators also have copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it. "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141, and are used with permission. "Disagreement is actually necessary, or we'd all have to get in fights or something to amuse ourselves and create the requisite chaos." -Tom Jennings -30- -----------------------------------------------------------------