F I D O N E W S -- Vol.12 No.50 (11-Dec-1995) +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS | | _ | +1-519-570-4176 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editors: | | | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 | | |__U__| / \// | Sylvia 1:221/194 | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: editors 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================== Table of Contents ======================================================================== 1. Articles...................................................... 2 The Demise of Net 2805 a rebuttal........................... 2 What We Stand For........................................... 3 bbsdoors a better BBS Door echo............................. 4 2. Fidonews Information.......................................... 4 FidoNews 12-50 Page: 2 11 Dec 1995 ======================================================================== Articles ======================================================================== The Demise of Net 2805 a rebuttal By Marge Robbins 1:283/120 It never ceases to amaze me to what lengths people will go to both cause trouble and smear the good names of honest hardworking Fidonet coordinators of any level. Mr. Sherwick does not deserve the abuse he has been taking in this and related matters. Let me take a moment to rebutt the accusations contained in Brent Hamm's article in last week's snooze. First of all, Mr. Hamm has been excommunicated and that excommunication has been upheld by both RC14 Steve Sherwick and ZC1 Bob Satti. That gives him no standing whatsoever in this matter. Nevertheless he sees fit to attempt to reogranize a net naming himself as Network Coordinator. Anybody see anything wrong with this scenario? BH>Where do you get off disbanding an ENTIRE network without telling anyone about it? When NC Will Wright announced his intention of stepping down as Network coordinator, the rest of the net was notified by RC14 and given the choice of chosing a new NC or becoming regional independents. Nobody responded. Since makenl has a decided objection to a network without a network coordinator listed, Mr. Sherwick had no option but to dissolve the network. BH>Accordingly, we wish to form a new network. We have met all the BH>requirements of Section 2.4 of Policy 4.07. Here is the BH>nodelist segment. It's also file attached as NET2805.342. Two problems with this. An excommunicated node not only doesn't have a node number, he cannot hold a coordinator position. Secondly, network coordinators are APPOINTED by the Regional Coordinator. Mr. Sherwick has not appointed Brent Hamm or anyone else to this postion. He asked for a volunteer and got no response. The bottom line here is that while the remaining nodes in the now defunct net 2805 are still members of Fidonet and do have the option of either reorganizing their net or becoming Regional Independents, Mr. Hamm has no standing in this matter and his attempt to reform the net by submitting a bogus nodelist segment is ludicrous in the extreme. Marge Robbins Region 14 Echomail Coordinator FidoNews 12-50 Page: 3 11 Dec 1995 What We Stand For Damian Stamm (1:273/406) The land of freedom. Home of the brave. Land of opportunity. Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. All of which we have been raised. With the exception of a few. A few who care more about their own pathetic egos, and less about the actual net. Our lovely ZC B.S. has decided that he will back inexhonorably the views of an interim RC. Hence, any comments against the almighty one will constitute excommunication from the electronic world of Fidonet. Guess I'll have to find a new moderator for NBA_ECHO. What does it say about a person when their whole livelyhood is based around a computer, where their egos and self confidence are fueled by the need to be recognized by people who they will never meet in person in their lifetime? What does it say about people who make "power" grabs, post as often as they can in Z1* echoes, and/or threaten anything from excommunication to lawsuits to get people's attention to recognize that they exist? What matters most to people like B.S. is that people recognize who he is. That they know he's the ZC, that he's a "president" of Fidonet. Irrelevant what Fidonet does, what its purpose is (as a hobby,) but most importantly that he sees his name on his screen without having to bother to write it himself. Why is it that B.S. is so scared of criticism that he'll excommunicate someone as a sign of brotherhood for a fellow Mike Walsh wannabe? And how DID B.S. get re-elected in the first place? There have been many a cry for a new "Policy 5," ditching the currect virus text that is held so dearly by those in power. In B.S.'s and their eyes, a legitamate democratic system would be disasterous, as any questioning of their leadership might end their possible "power," and they couldn't pull off a Tiennamen Square excommunication blitz and stay in power. So until then B.S. will be in power. B.S. and his cronies will be lined up as RC's and will back him and stroke his ego like 7-year-old with a new puppy. Now to see how long it takes for my node number to be revoked........ Damian Stamm SysOp, Sports And More BBS (1:273/406) Moderator, NBA_ECHO FidoNews 12-50 Page: 4 11 Dec 1995 bbsdoors a better BBS Door echo by: Rob Mooney 1:323/1017 BBSDOORS echo was formed by me Rob Mooney just recently due to the unjust and inappropriate heavy handed censorship that I've found in another of the fidonet echo's that deals with BBS Doors. This echo completely deal's with BBS Doors, their technical support, Distribution and online Registration site's, new releases & update's for all doors for all BBS platforms. I am hoping to have ALL Door Authors new and old join this echo and offer their support to everyone who is here. If you've ever wanted to know about a BBS Door before you've spent the time and money to download or freq it, or you are sick of reading nonsense messages from people who have no aim in life other than to flame a Door Author or complain about a Door because they have had a hard time with it and elected not to take the time to seek proper support then this is the place for you. I can guarantee that everyone who joins this echo will be treated the same. NO favoritism will be shown to ANYONE at all. Comply with the very basic set of rules and you'll be OK! For more information of how to receive this echo or to help me with my endeavor to get BBSDOORS on the backbone please contact Rob Mooney at 1:323/1017. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Fidonews Information ======================================================================== ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ---------------- Editors: Donald Tees, Sylvia Maxwell Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar Tom Jennings "FidoNews" BBS FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS) more addresses: Don -- 1:221/192, don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Sylvia- 1:221/194, max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews 128 Church St. Kitchener, Ontario Canada FidoNews 12-50 Page: 5 11 Dec 1995 N2H 2S4 voice: (519) 570-3137 sylvia: (519) 579-8029 Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. 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