F I D O N E W S -- Vol.12 No.37 (11-Sep-1995) +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS | | _ | +1-519-570-4176 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editors: | | | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 | | |__U__| / \// | Sylvia M. 1:221/194 | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: editors 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Sylvia max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================== Table of Contents ======================================================================== 1. Editorial..................................................... 1 2. Articles...................................................... 2 Win95....................................................... 3 GUY KAWASAKI'S TOP 10 REASONS TO BUY WINDOWS 95............. 3 MULTIMEDIA STYLES........................................... 4 Backbone Echo Changes [Jul-Aug]............................. 4 99 Best Hangouts Online..................................... 5 Howdy... Here's my article.................................. 9 Carbon copies sent to: Will Wright (1:2805/0), Tim Pearson ( 10 3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 12 ======================================================================== Editorial ======================================================================== FidoNews 12-37 Page: 2 11 Sep 1995 Hello World! i am fond of the sound of the modem picking up a connection. it is a very nice sound, it makes me happy. i like it. i also am fond of a blue folder which some generous person donated to the Rockway Mennonite Thrift Store, where i bought it for fifty cents. It is worth more than money. The title on the cover is "Using the Newspaper in the Classroom; a Manual of Suggestions for Secondary Schools", prepared by the Educational Activities Department of The Globe and Mail. There is a name penned in red ink on its upper right hand corner which is: P.ENNS. Serendipitous, eh? I wish to share with as many as possible the words from a loose page found inside this precious blue folder: Freedom of the Press Freedom of the press is not a special privilege of newspapers but derives from the fundamental right of every person to have full and free access to the facts in all matters that directly or indirectly concern him, and from his equal right to express and publish his opinions thereon and to hear and read the opinions of others. In protection of these fundamental human rights it is essential that the press should be free to gather news without obstruction or interference and free to publish the news and to comment thereon. CANADIAN DAILY NEWSPAPER PUBLISHERS ASSOCIATION Having quoted the above, i will stop worrying about whether or not i should publish yet another article, and as usual include everything that has been submitted. Thankyou for your contributions of expression, response, and provocation, sylvia ======================================================================== Articles ======================================================================== FidoNews 12-37 Page: 3 11 Sep 1995 From: Kevin Mccauley (1:249/157) Win95 Here is just a little blurb about what I think about Win95 .... Win95 I'm sure you've all heard of Win95 by now. If not you either live in a cave somewhere or have no brain activity. I've never seen so much hype over a computer program (Other than Doom). The one big advantage Win95 has is it's supporting software collection. OS/2 Warp was tested to be better at multi-tasking and has better internet utilities. Everyone is raving over the new mac-like interface. This comes as no big deal to me, there has been OS/2 Warp and a little known OS called GeoWorks around for a while and both are very user friendly. GeoWorks will no longer be creating Software for Desktops unfortunalty. It has all those file folders and stuff. The Point I'm trying to make is that Win95 dosen't really deserve all the hype it's getting. Sure it's a big step for Microsoft but the same sort of system has been avaiable for a couple of years now. Kevin McCauley ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BY: The Deranged Alchemist #1 @6855 GUY KAWASAKI'S TOP 10 REASONS TO BUY WINDOWS 95 Below are the "Top 10 Reasons To Buy Windows 95" as delivered by Guy Kawasaki during David Nagel's keynote address at Macworld Boston. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 10) Do you know how much it costs to furnish a 35,000 square foot house in Seattle? 9) You always wanted Microsoft to maintain a database of your hard drive. 8) The access number for AOL is always busy, so you'd rather join Microsoft Network. 7) Fewer Mac sales will mean you can get the 8100 you ordered 7 months ago. 6) You finally have an excuse to upgrade your system. 5) You want to plug and plug and plug. (You don't mind waiting for the play?) 4) Your mom is a Mercedes dealer in Seattle. FidoNews 12-37 Page: 4 11 Sep 1995 3) Internet is too full of information, so you'd like Bill Gates to decide what you should see. 2) You think the Justice Department should be fighting monopolies not crime. 1) Bob '95 << ==============OK Enough for now================================>>> --ShadowSpawn Regards, Perry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FROM: Dennis W. Webb MULTIMEDIA STYLES ------------------ In new book "I Sing The Body Electronic: A Year With Microsoft on the Multimedia Frontier," a senior Microsoft manager explains multimedia "designers" (writers, artists, etc.) and "developers" (programmers): "Designers are invariably female, are talkative, live in lofts, have vegetarian diets and wear found objects in their ears. Developers are invariably male, eat fast food and don't talk except to say, 'Not true.'" (Viking Publ. Co., 1995) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Backbone Echo Changes [Jul-Aug] by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/6 lisa@m2xenix.psg.com Summary of backbone & quasi-backbone echo changes during Jul & Aug. Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff. diff (fidonet.na + fidonet.no) 02-Jul-95 ditto 03-Sep-95 [edited] Added to the backbone --------------------- > ARCSOFT "ArcticSoft Development" Support > ASTRONET Astronomy Echo > CHIPSMAG Chips 'n' Bits Magazine Echo > COLLEGE_SINGLES College Singles -- COLLEGE companion echo. > DISK_CACHE Disk Cache Technical Conference > FENCE_POST Cuz & Discuss debates with BoneHeads > FITNESS Health & Fitness Discussion > GO_PROD_SUP Green/Ortiz Product Support Echo > KLINGON_RPG Klingon Role-Playing Game Echo > LATEST_VERSIONS Latest Versions in Fidonet > LAW_&_FREEDOM Discussions on Law & Freedom > MACDTP Mac-oriented discussion of Prepress and DTP FidoNews 12-37 Page: 5 11 Sep 1995 > MCMAIL McMail Support > META_UFO Metaphysics, UFOs and correlation discussion. > MEXICAN_LINK Mexico's International Link > MODEMS Discussion of modems of all types. > NEW_WAVE_MUSIC New Wave Music > OLD_ENGINE Old Engine lovers' discussion conference on Fido > RADIO_HOBBY-ALL Hobby Radio: Low Power FM, CB, Scanners, Shortwave > SIP_ALANON ALANON RECOVERY > STEP_PARENT Discuss issues relating to step parenting. > SYSOPS FidoNet Sysops Policy and Tech Development > TREK_FOR_SALE Buying & Selling Star Trek Collectables! NOTE: ASTRONET is a new echo for ASTRONOMY participants who got an unwanted moderator when the EchoList entry expired and the original echotag was ELISTed by Chris Freeze. NOTE: GO_PROD_SUP was earlier dropped from the backbone for low traffic, actually due to a topology snafu. Removed from the backbone or quasi-backbone ------------------------------------------- < AMIGA_PDREVIEW (not in EchoList since 3/1/95) < CANADA (not in EchoList since 6/1/95) < LV_GAMBLER (not in EchoList since 3/1/95) < REMOVE_BOB_SATTI *C's are not elected for life < REMOVE_GEORGE_PEACE *C's are not elected for life < REVIEWS (not in EchoList since 5/1/95) < ROBOTIX Robotics and robot builders conference < TCXL (not in EchoList since 3/1/95) < WARNINGS Warnings of Public Interest o There are 729 echos in fidonet.na [03-Sep-95] (down 53) o There are 85 echos in fidonet.no [03-Sep-95] (up 67) o for a total of 814 backbone & quasi-backbone echos (up 14) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RanD (1:141/1030) 99 Best Hangouts Online Ice hockey, stamp collecting, pig breeding, kinky sex--whatever your interest, you can indulge it online. Come explore the most intriguing, edifying, and fun places in cyberspace. In the 1950s, we hung out at the soda shop, browsing through the comics and buying root-beer floats from Pop Jenkins. By the late 1960s, my friends hung out behind the Kates' stable, dropping LSD. The heavy-metal hangout of the 1970s was the 7-Eleven. The '80s had no hangouts (part of the problem with that decade, I guess). Now we're here in the Information Superhighway '90s, and, not surprisingly, the best place to hang is online. And why not? It has all the elements of the perfect hangout. It's trendy, you meet people there, our parents seem intimidated by it, and there is FidoNews 12-37 Page: 6 11 Sep 1995 always something to discover. But online sites are different from the hangouts of previous decades. They represent a revolution in communication and information sharing. They have managed to become cool and useful places for almost anyone, without acquiring the usual stigma associated with, for example, taking the useful (but very uncool) family station wagon to pick up your date on Saturday night. Hanging out online has never been easier. In addition to the commercial services--CompuServe, America Online (AOL), Prodigy, and GEnie--and their databases, message boards, and special-interest groups, you'll find plenty of ways to access the Internet, that worldwide network of mailing lists, databases, and discussion groups that used to be available only to academics and government workers. Both CompuServe and AOL let you easily subscribe to Internet newsgroups. Other services, such as the WELL and Delphi, offer Internet access as part of their subscription packages. But if you want to have fun online, you have to spend some time looking around. That's the only way you'll find the goodies--whether you want sound and movie clips, controversial conversation, free software, or X-rated novels. And that means you'll have to become a net cruiser. Net cruising comes pretty easily to most people. To get you started, here are some of our favorite hangouts in cyberspace. We've covered everything from computers to crocheting, so you're bound to find something you enjoy. Once you get into the spirit of exploration, it won't take long before you find your own favorite places--where you feel most comfortable and can get to know the regulars. --Seth Godin Seth Godin is the author of The Internet White Pages and E-mail Addresses of the Rich and Famous. How Do I Get There? You'll find a lot of, the hangouts we recommend on the commercial online services America Online, CompuServe, GEnie, and Prodigy. These services aren't free--you'll pay around $10 and up a month to subscribe--but you'll get easy access to files, bulletin boards, and members who share your interests. To subscribe to any of the services, call the numbers listed below to get copies of the software and a password, or you can buy a new user's kit at your local computer store. Membership is also available online; using a standard terminal-emulation program (such as Windows' Terminal or ZTerm for Macs) you can access CompuServe and GEnie, as well as Delphi and the WELL. Call the service to get a local access number, use your modem to dial in, and follow the onscreen directions for logging on. America Online: (800) 827-6364 or (703) 448-8700. CompuServe: (800) 848-8990 or (614) 457-8600. FidoNews 12-37 Page: 7 11 Sep 1995 Delphi: (800) 695-4005 or (617) 491-3393. GEnie: (800) 638-9636 or (301) 340-4000 (ask for GEnie). Prodigy: (800) 776-3449. The WELL: (415) 332-4335. Each service uses a different term for navigating its various areas: AOL's is keyword; Prodigy's, Jump; and CompuServe's, Go. We use these terms throughout. What's a Newsgroup? Newsgroups are Internet discussion groups that cover thousands of topics from the prosaic to the weird. The easiest way to access them is through AOL or CompuServe; on AOL, use the keyword newsgroups, and on CompuServe, type go internet. Other services, such as Delphi and the WELL, also let you access newsgroups, but you have to use special newsreader software to read the messages. Follow each service's directions for downloading and using newsreaders. What's FTP? FTP (File Transfer Protocol) is a tool that lets you use the Internet to download files from remote computers (FTP sites). There are hundreds of FTP sites scattered around for general access. To find out what files reside at the various sites, you can use a search tool called Archie, which regularly scans and records the contents of FTP sites. To access Archie, send an e-mail message to archie@archie.mcgill.ca with a request in the header's subject line. What's WWW? A new way to access the Internet is via the World Wide Web, which links documents and files on similar subjects located at different sites. The program Mosaic is an increasingly popular means of getting to the WWW; CompuServe's Internet forum (go internet) offers information on Mosaic, as do several books about the Internet. What's a BBS? Bulletin board systems, or BBSes, are small, specialized online services, and there are thousands to choose from. Many hardware and software companies run BBSes to answer tech-support questions. User groups run BBSes so members can swap shareware and ideas. And interest groups set up BBSes just to discuss issues. To access a bulletin board system, use terminal emulation software; you'll receive log-on instructions onscreen. To find BBSes, contact your local user group, check the back pages of computer publications, or check out Boardwatch Magazine [(303) 973-6038]. If you have access to the Internet, check out the newsgroup alt.bbs.ads, which features FidoNews 12-37 Page: 8 11 Sep 1995 advertisements for a selection of diverse BBSes. That's Entertainment A little net surfing is the perfect prelude to an evening of channel surfing-- or a visit to the video store. Seth Godin shares his favorite places to meet the stars online and points you to the better fan hangouts. Best places to dish: If you want showbiz gossip, and I mean dirt, there's only one place go: the Internet newsgroup alt.showbiz.gossip. It leaves the National Enquirer in the dust. Alt.supermodels is pretty good, too, especially if you're a fan of Fox TV's Models, Inc. Best place to pick a video: The Internet Movie Database (World Wide Web at http://www.msstate.edu/movies/) is an online database for the readers of the Internet newsgroup rec.arts.movies. It's filled with all the information you'd ever want--and a whole lot you'd never want--to know about motion pictures. You can search for credits from individual films and find all the films with a particular actor or even a character. Best place for armchair Siskels and Eberts: CompuServe's ShowBiz-Media forum (go showbiz) can be a cramped hangout, but its discussions of movies, films, and showbiz are fascinating and educating. Even Roger Ebert hangs out here. Best place to meet the stars: Does Mick Jagger really cruise the net? One way to find out is to post a message to him the next time he's the featured star in Prodigy's Ask the Stars bulletin board (Jump:guest). At the end of the week, selected questions are answered by the star and posted to the bulletin board for all to read. Check with Prodigy to find out which stars are featured when. Best place for showbiz info: CompuServe's Hollywood Hotline (go hollywood) is an online guide to movies, television programs, and music recordings. You can get reviews of all the popular TV shows here, and there's a trivia quiz to keep you guessing. Best place to meet a TV producer: The creator of Warner Brothers' sci-fi TV series Babylon 5, Michael Straczynski, hangs out in GEnie's Science Fiction Roundtable (SFRT2). You can also find him on the Internet in the Babylon 5 newsgroup rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5. It's tantalizing to have the producer available to answer questions and dangle hints about upcoming episodes. Best place for bizarre movie tales: Legends, rumors, and true tales of the bizarre can be verified or debunked by a wide variety of folks who have posted information on the Internet's Movie Legends Database. You'll find plenty of strange facts about popular movies from The Wizard of Oz to The Little Mermaid. To get to the complete collection, use FTP to reach cathouse.org (/pub/cathouse/urban. legends/movies). Best places after midnight: Discussion of the world of late-night FidoNews 12-37 Page: 9 11 Sep 1995 talk-show hosts is all over the net, especially in the newsgroups alt.fan.letterman, alt.fan.jay-leno, alt.fan.conan-obrien, and the catchall alt.tv.talkshows.late. One of the best sources for information and opinion about late night is in the electronic newsletter Late Show News. This weekly guide lets you in on what's happening in late-night TV and in the TV industry at large. (To subscribe, send the message subscribe late-show-news to listserv@mcs.net.) Sports Crazy! Mild-mannered writer David Noack's passion is sports--watching them, discussing them, memorizing statistics, and reliving great plays. Luckily for him, the online world is ready to feed his need to talk about the Red Sox, download stats, or occasionally manage his own ball club. So much for the neighborhood bar. Best place for instant scores: Prodigy teamed up this year with the nationwide sports cable channel ESPN to provide ESPNet (Jump: espn), a nonstop virtual sports community. Best place for Joe Montana fans: Prodigy's National Football League Online Fan Club (Jump: nfl) is an interactive area that puts gridiron enthusiasts in touch with NFL players, breaking football stories, and exclusive information on the game. --cont'd next week! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryan Watson (1:2440/2) Howdy... Here's my article... I've not been quite an avid reader of the news, but of the ones that I've seen lately, there aren't many articles. Is this because noone seems to care? I'm not sure, but I do know that this is our crowning newsletter, for all the sysops in FidoNet. I recently went back to college, after an extended hiatus. I'm a Lab Assistant for the computer labs at Akron University (Wayne College). I decided to FTP to FidoNet.org, and found some of the history of Fidonet there for the public, an interesting start to say the least. There were also old FidoNet newsletters available there, it's too bad that we don't or can't communicate like those who used to. It would greatly benefit all of the FidoNet community to express our opinions and take our discussions not only to the echoes, but also to the newsletter. In conclusion, let's hear it. I can think of nothing that would benefit us better than to be more informed, and also more involved. I know that things have been sort of jumbled lately, but let's get back to the business of keeping an intelligent and interesting, and diverse community of people. R. Matthew Watson (BVFD Unit #1821) FidoNews 12-37 Page: 10 11 Sep 1995 Dallas Hinton Falsifies Evidence In Policy Complaint By Alan Boritz - 1:2605/102@fidonet.org A FidoNet RC falsify evidence against one of his fellow sysops? Strange, but apparently true. It seems that Dallas Hinton, a former Canadian high school music teacher, currently the region 17 coordinator, and a sysop of three systems in the same network as Bob Satti (net 153), was so eager to file a policy complaint against one sysop that he skipped the most basic step in any Policy4 complaint action (communication with the "problem" sysop). Mr. Hinton's "complaint" began with a netmail message. This one, in fact. Note the date and time when written: (85) Thu 3 Aug 95 20:47 Cost: 0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ By: Dallas Hinton, BandMaster (1:153/715) To: Brent Hamm Re: Policy Complaint St: Pvt Crash Kill - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - @MSGID: 1:153/715.0 0219075d @CHRS: IBMPC 2 Original message addressed to: Brent Hamm (1:2805/1). Carbon copies sent to: Will Wright (1:2805/0), Tim Pearson (1:14/0), Bob Satti (1:1/0). Brent! In a recent message in the WARNINGS echo, you signed yourself as: _ _ _ O / _ _ C_U_T_ H_E_R_E_ _ _ _ O \ The Terminator, 1:289/22 FidoNet International Coordinator --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: The EchoMail Liberation Army (1:2805/1) [...] PATH: 2805/1 2 3615/50 396/1 270/101 153/920 716 _ _ _ O / _ _ C_U_T_ H_E_R_E_ _ _ _ O \ If you post another message with a fake signature, you will be the subject of a policy complaint. Impersonation of a *C is not acceptable behaviour in FidoNet. Dallas Hinton RC 17 @Via 1:153/715 @19950804.054749 TNT 0.99B0204+ -- FidoNews 12-37 Page: 11 11 Sep 1995 24 hours later, Dallas Hinton posted a public message in the MODERATOR conference announcing that he had ALREADY filed a PC against Mr. Hamm: Date: Fri Aug 04 1995 20:55:54 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: Dallas Hinton To: Charles Ring Subj: Hijacking Threat MODERATOR ------------------------------- Hi Charles -- recently you wrote in a message to All: CR> "The Terminator" has already started disrupting the WARNINGS CR> echo and has convinced some users that he's its moderator. CR> It's not the first time that this vandal/bully has caused CR> havoc. Why is everyone afraid of him? I would suggest that a flood of netmail to his Net Coordinator would impress the NC to hint gently at him regarding the likelihood of his node number lasting. FYI, I have filed a policy complaint (section 1.3.5, paragraph 2, sentence 5) with his NC (Will Wright) over Mr. Hamm signing himself as "FidoNet International Coordinator". I promptly received netmail from a mental midget in a different net signing himself "Satanus Maximus" and claiming to be "Regional Coordinator of Region 17". Since I haven't been told by the ZC that I've been replaced, I'll be filing a PC against him, too. . That's more PCs in a week than I've filed my previous 8 years in FidoNet. Cheers ... Dallas Moderator, SURVIVOR and RGN17 echoes RC 17 -!- timEd 1.10.g1+ ! Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver BC, CANADA [604-266-7754] (1:153/715) -- Let's recap the dates of those messages: Thursday, 8/3/95 @ 20:47 - Hinton SENDS his 9.1 message. Friday, 8/4/95 @ 20:55 - Hinton claims he's ALREADY filed a PC with N2805C. Mr. Hinton, supposedly an experienced RC and competent sysop, had reason to know that a netmail response may not be immediately forthcoming, since he had no way of knowing when Mr. Hamm would first read his netmail message, and especially since Mr. Hinton has admitted to having "problems" with netmail. And as an experienced sysop, familiar with echomail topology and message propagation, Mr. Hinton knows full well that echomail messages can take several days to travel FidoNews 12-37 Page: 12 11 Sep 1995 through wide-area routing between Mr. Hamm's and his locations. Although Mr. Hinton now claims to have "communicated" with the subject of his PC, Mr. Hinton's own messages, presented to Will Wright (N2805C) and posted publicly, show that he had NO intention of waiting for Mr. Hamm's response to his 9.1 (required communication) message before filing his PC, since he acted LONG before he could have reasonably received either a response, or to see the results of his "request" in the echomail conferences Mr. Hinton was reading that resulted in this conflict. A ridiculous PC based on a ridiculous "complaint," with no relation to Policy4. Hinton's complaint has already been struck down at the NC and RC levels, though Hinton secretly filed his complaint with R14C (so that the sysop against whom the complaint was filed would not have the opportunity to respond to his appeal). Will Hinton appeal secretly (again) to Z1C, and will Bob Satti (Z1C) mysteriously "recover" long enough to issue a decision on his friend's appeal? Will Hinton abuse more sysops though the Policy4 complaint/appeal process before Satti resumes his duties as Z1C? Stay tuned here to find out. Dallas Hinton has refused to comment on these issues, but you can reach him at 1:153/715@fidonet.org or dhinton@portal.ca. ======================================================================== Fidonews Information ======================================================================== ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ---------------- Editors: Donald Tees, Sylvia Maxwell Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar Tom Jennings "FidoNews" BBS FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS) more addresses: Don -- 1:221/192, don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Sylvia- 1:221/194, max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews C/O Sylvia Morscher 128 Church St. Kitchener, Ontario Canada N2H 2S4 sylvia(VOICE):(519)579-8029 Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET FidoNews 12-37 Page: 13 11 Sep 1995 INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. 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