F I D O N E W S -- Vol.12 No.34 (21-Aug-1995) +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS | | _ | +1-519-570-4176 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editors: | | | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 | | |__U__| / \// | Sylvia 1:221/194 | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: editors 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Sylvia max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================== Table of Contents ======================================================================== 1. Editorial..................................................... 1 2. Articles...................................................... 2 Cartoon Antics and other Standard Foolishness............... 2 Defcon...................................................... 6 Subject: EDX................................................ 8 The Editors of the Snooze are Not Fascist!.................. 9 Library Proposal............................................ 10 Dear Editor-Beings,......................................... 11 Please ! Not in Public..................................... 13 Requiem to an Ansi Artist................................... 14 3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 14 ======================================================================== Editorial ======================================================================== FidoNews 12-34 Page: 2 21 Aug 1995 Apologies to Eldridge Currie for missing his article several weeks back. It came in, I read it, I wrote him a note, but somehow it never got in the snooze. It is in this week. There are several good articles this today, but the one proposing a library standard hit home. We get a lot of mail here at the snooze requesting information, and while the information is usually available somewhere, it can be difficult to find. Often, we can only refer people somewhere else and hope. It would be nice to have a site in each zone that attempted to keep an up-to-date library of "official" information. A good online nodelist searcher would probably be required, as the most common question is "How do I join Fidonet from Anytown, in the Northwest teritories". The ability to find a local node and telephone number (probably area code would be a better search code than city) is crucial to prospective members. Once that is found, all else follows. If we do set up such a list of sites, I would propose that the numbers be printed in the snooze on a weekly basis. ======================================================================== Articles ======================================================================== Cartoon Antics and other Standard Foolishness Matt Ion (1:153/7040.106) (Forwarded from netmail - a reply to Jerry Schwartz's item in ish. 1228.) Greetings and Hallucinations, Jerry! As an occasional contributor to the 'snooze whose meanderings have brought forth many a netmail kudo, I must now pass the compliments on to you re: Disney Images. What a priceless piece! And from a writer's perspective, VERY nicely done, I must say. I, too, have been removed cold-turkey from my steady stream of echomail, as I spend a couple weeks in the boonies working and able to pick up mail only every couple days. Similarly, this gives me time to catch up on the 'snooze. I'm not nearly as far behind as you claim to have been, but I DID have the opportunity to see most of the particular thread you refer to in the same manner you did - ie. through time-lapse lenses. And I must say, your analogy is to D.D. and C&D is frighteningly accurate, although personally, I prefer Bugs Bunny vs. the Opera Singer - "of course you realize, dis means war." Now that I think of it, in fact, there's a very similar Looney Tunes segment to your Disney example, with two squirrels trying endlessly to find a place in Porky Pig's house to store their winter supply of nuts, only to have themselves and their FidoNews 12-34 Page: 3 21 Aug 1995 provisions heaved out the window at every turn. Eventually they drive ol' Porky to attempt to chop down their tree... only to have his attention drawn - too late - to the rattle of gazillions of nuts, shaken from the tree, falling into a piece of gutter woven through the branches, rolling through a drain pipe to be directed into the top drawer of poor Porky's bedroom dresser, and filling the house nearly to the point of bursting the walls. Kinda leaves one to wonder if Mr. Germer and those making similar power plays will soon find they too have shaken loose more than they care to handle... (end forwarded message) Okay, well, seeing as #1229 is so sparse, maybe I can add a little fuel to a fire or two to liven up future issues. The editorial makes mention of standards. Well, I got a good one (although it's not exactly Fido-related, the end point can apply in many areas). Don/Max (not always sure which one's writing, although this one looks a little too coherent to be Max :) writes: Perhaps one off the problems with standards is that they also spell stagnation. Policies have the downside of preventing inovation[sic]. Perhaps, and while pushing the limits of standards can be a good thing in some cases, stepping over them outright can wreak havoc. One of my pet peeves these days is the proliferation on the World Wide Web (oh no, not another net.junkie!) of "Netscape Enhanced" pages. For those not familiar with all this, the World Wide Web, using a system called Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) and "browsers" such as Mosaic, Netscrap^H^H^Hape, Web Explorer, etc. that can read that language, makes for a nice, graphical environment with which to explore the Internet. HTML documents are plain text, embedded with formatting codes to designate text style, heading sizes, image placement, and so on, similar to the manner in which a word processor embeds formatting codes in the text. Browsers provide the user's interface to these documents... similar to using RIPterm for graphical access to a RIP-capable BBS. These web pages appear similar to the online help files used in GUI systems such as Mac, Windows, and OS/2. Highlighted text can be clicked-on to link to another portion of text, another page, or even another site. Images can be placed in the text. Hypertext links in WWW pages can even be used to transfer files (often audio and multimedia files) to the user's system. Naturally, all this must conform to some sort of standardized FidoNews 12-34 Page: 4 21 Aug 1995 specifications. Word processors all use their own proprietary formats for indicating text styles, tabs, frames, OLE links, etc. With the right filters, MS-Word can import Word Perfect files, but the two types are not directly interchangeable. To avoid such problems, HTML defines a set of standard "tags" (the formatting codes) that all compliant browsers must support. Version 2.0 is the current level, with 3.0 being on the horizon. Now the problem is, the folks at Netscape have gone ahead - far ahead of the standards committee - and defined many features and tags of their own, to support such things as coloured and textured backgrounds, tables, image borders, wrapping text around images, animations, and so on. All good and fine if you deign to use Netscape and keep up with the very latest versions (each new release, every 3-4 weeks, seems to support new-and-improved tags). The browser itself provides (IMHO) a very clunky, unintuitive interface, and I really don't like to use it. Besides, its makers have seen fit only to develop Windows and Mac versions. I don't have a Mac, and don't want to jeopardize my system by installing Windows, so it's all pretty moot to me. Of course, many people ARE jumping on all this pretty-faced technology and producing "Netscape Enhanced" pages galore. Most even include a note to "get the latest version now!!!" with a link to automagically download the latest version. What this means, however, is that more and more web pages are popping up with all these fancy features that are absolutely meaningless to anyone not using Netscape. So far, other well-behaved browsers know enough to simply ignore tags that they don't recognize. However, many of these "Netscape Enhanced" pages are starting to include things that will make sense ONLY to Netscape users, and come out as absolute gibberish to anyone else (one major ISP [Internet Service Provider] here in Vancouver uses Netscape-style tables in their page on commercial pricing info... the whole thing comes out scrambled and unreadable on my Web Explorer. And they want to sell me their services???) In fact, it now appears that Netscape may be shooting themselves in the foot. I can't confirm it for myself, but apparently there is a new 32-bit version of Netscape that supports a couple tags that will actually break older versions of Netscape. The cute part is, this new version will only work with the Windows 95 (and presumably Windows NT) 32-bit API. It can't even be used with the Win32s add-on for Windows 3.1. So what's this? Release a new version that only works on an "operating system" (debatable in itself - new name, new face, same $#!T, different pile - but that's an argument for another day) that isn't even available yet, and make sure it breaks previous versions of the same product that WILL run on most of the personal computers in existence. Frankly, the fine people of Netscape sound more like drug FidoNews 12-34 Page: 5 21 Aug 1995 pushers than software vendors. Here, here's a free/shareware version of a better, badder browser. Everyone like it? Good. Now we'll give you a timed beta of the next version, with even more bigger, badder features. That's expired? Now you can buy the commercial version with still more bigger, badder, better goodies. Of course, we've got so many people hooked on it now, most of them are rushing to create pages that take advantage of our bigger, badder browser's better features, so still more people will want to buy it... Like I say, pushing the limits of standards is fine, for the sake of technological advancement. Many of Netscape's extended tags are planned to become part of HTML 3.0. But all this, to me, seems to go beyond that. What does this translate to in the Fido community? Is someone going to start using a bigger, badder, better nodelist format, echomail format, mailer format that will break most peoples' existing systems... then advise that all those still happily involved in the community using their sometimes-ancient, diverse, yet wonderfully compatible systems should throw it all out and upgrade everything so they can communicate? Heck, haven't we been through this many times with compression formats... arguing 1.3% differences in ZIP vs ARJ compression ratios when ARC is still the Fido standard, and when modem compression makes even the differences between ZIP and ARC moot? Stodgy and stagnating as they may be, standards are there to help ensure we can all keep communicating in this global community. There's nothing wrong with forging ahead and developing new and nifty things, but perhaps a little restraint in unleashing it all on the public and making a mess of things would be in order? Netscape should have no beef - most of what they've done is due to be a part of the new, soon-to-be-released "standard". I can see little point, other than perhaps outright greed, in foisting it on everyone so haphazardly. But enough of my soapbox. My byte count for this message reads over 8800 at this point, so rather than clog up your mail transfers (and mine) anymore, I'll close this now. Ah, my, but isn't boredom a wonderful thing? It's a gorgeous, sunny, blisteringly hot day outside in the BC Interior... another day in paradise, as it were. I'm off now to enjoy a good nap. Open to the realm of extreme possibility. The truth is out there. Matt Ion - 1:153/7106 - matt@ship.net [Team OS/2] FidoNews 12-34 Page: 6 21 Aug 1995 Defcon By Elizabeth Weise Associated Press Las Vegas -- First they cracked into a hotel television system, reprogramming it to scroll messages reading "Hackers rule!" across screens in 1,000 rooms. Later that night they set up a pirate radio station and began broadcasting from the roof of the Tropicana. But in the end, Def Con III, the computer hackers' convention, was a lot tamer than many Las Vegas conventions. The 350 or so computer hackers, crackers, phone phreaks and e-zine (electronic magazine) publishers spent most of the Aug. 5-6 weekend bragging, gossiping, listening to speakers who extolled the hacker ethic and trying to debug the super-high-speed T-1 line that was supposed to give them screaming access to the Internet. Def Con is named for the military term Defense Condition, a measure of just how close the country is to nuclear war. It began three years ago as a massive party thrown by a young bulletin board operator who goes by the name Dark Tangent. "I was going to leave for law school and I decided to throw a huge party for everyone I've met from all the networks. Then we decided if it was going to be a colossal failure, we might as well have it someplace fun, so we chose Las Vegas." Housed in two large rooms surreally juxtaposed with the Tropicana's wedding chapel across the hall, this year's conventioneers were mostly intensely bright young men in their late teens and early 20s -- the sort who 30 years ago might have been ham radio operators. Hacking comes from an intellectual desire to figure out how things work, and the desire to show off just how much you know. Grace and skill count for more than sheer power, and an elegant solution to a problem gains more esteem from one's peers than "kludgy" fixes. Hackers, according to Dark Tangent, are protrayed in the media only as marauding and destructive, when in fact they are just curious. "(Hackers) are interested in how the network topology is laid out. They're interested in knowledge -- they're not interested in destroying things," the 25-year-old said. Important Service? In fact, hackers provide an important service to the computer world by spending thousands of hours finding networks' FidoNews 12-34 Page: 7 21 Aug 1995 weak points, said former CIA intelligence officer Robert Steele. The assembled crowd, some of whom kept nodding off in corners after arriving via an all-night car caravan from the San Francisco Bay area, were overwhelmingly male. Out of 350 participants, perhaps 20 were women, most of whom appeared to be girlfriends of attendees. The attitude toward women was summed up by one man in his early 20s who was catching up with a friend at the registration desk. "Yeah, I've had a girlfriend for a year and a half, but it hasn't gotten in the way of my hacking," he said. The women-not-as-peers attitude was only reinforced when Sarah Gordon ("Theora") gave a presentation on female hackers Saturday afternoon that included height and weight as part of the design parameters of her survey. The convention broke down into four main portions: bragging, drinking, hacking and information exchange. One speaker, an electronic privacy expert named Winn Schwartau, explained to the crowd how it was possible to obtain plans for using a television to pick up what is being typed on a remote computer screen; in effect, eavesdropping on a computer user without having to hack into their system. "The National Security Agency unfortunately classified them, but if you want them, they're on the Internet," he told the audience. Hackers' Jeopardy Amusements over the course of the weekend included the ever-popular "Spot the Fed" contest -- in which the assembled tried to guess who among them were federal undercover agents -- and midnight games of Hackers' Jeopardy, which required the audience to duck flying 2,400-baud modems thrown as prizes. Jeopardy, the first official event of the con, featured Dark Tangent doing a fine impression of TV game show host Alex Trebeck. The categories ranged from "MS-DOS" to "The Internet" and "Narcs I've come to love." The answer is: "The rudest mistake Microsoft ever made." "What is starting business?" The answer is: "Famous for developing the X-ray laser, their computers held over 30,000 megs of pornographic images." "What is Lawrence Livermore Labs?" answered Larry Lasker, co-writer and producer of the computer movies "Wargamess" and "Sneakers." He said he was attending to pick up background for FidoNews 12-34 Page: 8 21 Aug 1995 his latest film. After suitable arrangements for a beer run, the game started up again. The answer is: "The password on every (network) router shipped by Cisco Systems." "What is Italy?" came the answer from several teams simultaneously. The answer is: "The lowest form of life." "What are America Online users?" came the shouts from the audience. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: EDX From: denis bider (2:380/129) (Before you start reading, a short linguistic apology - English isn't my native language, seems that I'll just have to live with that. :) This article is to inform all interested FTN developers that have not yet been reached by the word that, after a year of study and development, EDX has been released. EDX (Electronic Data Exchange - heck, there has to be a name) started a year ago in an enthusiastic burst of desire to provide a better mail transfer standard than the fussy Type-2 is. At the time, of course, EDX was, by design, not much better than any other Type-3 proposal, although it wasn't meant as one of them at all; later, for example, as time passed, I rewrote it at least 5 times as my views changed. After a year of development, it is here. EDX is a standard for transported message representation. It can be used with any type of packets, including existing Type-2, although it would be more or less nonsense to do that; currently, the best packet type to use is ERX, described in EDX Recommendations, bundled in the same document. The EDX-ERX combination was designed to be upgradeable in every imaginable way. With ERX packets, it is possible to include data other then messages in packets. A special password-protection technique avoids the possibility of someone uninvited obtaining packet passwords. With EDX messages, seemless inclusion of files in a message provides the ability to route small messages with attached files anywhere without having to fear someone will stop the files halfway. All information carried in kludges with Type-2 messages, of course, has a better place elsewhere. Addressing ambiguities are avoided by enforcing a consistent addressing scheme. Correspondence between different FTN networks FidoNews 12-34 Page: 9 21 Aug 1995 (domains) is seemless, as is coexistance with other message formats, making transparent transition possible. Everything is there. And, more than anything else, EDX is *designed to be simple*. Easiness of implementation is, together with upward, downward and horizontal compatibility, the main goal of every standard; after all, with proper kludges, Type-2 could do everything we want, too - it's just that the complexity of the resulting standard would render the actual implementation far too vulnerable to programming faults for an environment of such implementations to be considered fairly non-problematic. EDX is, on the other hand, simple and consistent. No kludges, no exceptions. Of course, as there is no special reason to live, there as well is no special reason to be in FidoNet, to code programs or to implement EDX, either. As everything in this world, our environment, too, is driven by enthusiasm. The lack of enthusiasm causes stagnation; unfortunately, this is currently self- evident from the general atmosphere in FidoNet. EDX is one of the attempts to change this. My sincere hopes are that it will succeed, and time it would be; but in order for this to happen, it has to be implemented in several programs before it starts gaining success at all. Some of the major developers I sent the specifications to have already shown interest in EDX, whereas I have not yet received replies from the others. If you are interested, please contact me NOW (denis bider, FidoNet#2:380/129 or denis.bider@k2.net) and I will send you the specifications. I also sent the specifications to the FTSC Chair at 3:3/20; hopefully, they should be released as an FSC in a few weeks, but don't count on that - it's been almost a month since my first FTSC application, and I received no replies yet. It wouldn't be the first time for a submitter not receiving any correspondence from the FTSC at all. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Editors of the Snooze are Not Fascist! By Eldridge Currie (1:153/962) This is in response to the Brendan Keyport (1:138/185) article in the Snooze of 03 Jul 1995: > I just got through glancing at Fidonews 12-26, and am utterly dismayed > over lack of backbone in the editors. I would like to see a paper that > is actually worth reading. In my opinion Fidonews, under the capable and talented stewardship of Donald Tees and Sylvia Maxwell are doing a terrific editorial job. It is definitely worth reading as it is always interesting and informative. FidoNews 12-34 Page: 10 21 Aug 1995 > Please consider banning these topics: > o Lawsuits, and anything relating thereof. > o Bob Germer and replies > o discussions over any one person, good or bad > o discussions over anyone's actions > o Complaints to the editors (including this one) This is the type of fascist thinking that is sweeping the US and Canada lately. If your above stated topic are "banned", what is left? > Further, I would like to see you return any article that is considered > insulting, indecent, and/or rude. According to the present editors, the Snooze exists partially as " a forum of last resort, and a way of using public opinion/pressure to redress grievances. It can only do that if each person has their say. If we judge the articles, then that function dissappears." With this I, for one, fully agree and support the way they are achieving this. I would not like to see Fidonews become the sterile, panty-waist, colourless, forum that it would become, if the editors follwed your suggestions. > I for one, will be disconnecting from distribution if FidoNews doesn't > clean up. I would suggest that if you are not willing to EDIT fidonews, > then give it to someone that WILL. I, for one, think that Fidonews is interesting and worth reading. It certainally does not need a "clean up" nor should the Mr. Tees and/or Ms. Maxwell "EDIT" it in the restrictive and freedom-denying way you want. Eldridge Currie ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Library Proposal by Robert LaPrise The following is a proposal for an addition to the policies of FIDOnet. Documentation Libraries Zone Library I propose that in FIDOnet each Zone be required to have one node listed as a master library of the policies and technical standards governing FIDOnet, and further that the address of this node be publicly available to all nets within that Zone. FidoNews 12-34 Page: 11 21 Aug 1995 The purpose of this Library will to provide a single location from which nets within that Zone can FREQ any and all available documentation on the rules/policies/standards governing FIDOnet. Net Library Furthermore, I propose that each Net within said Zone have a node listed as the Net Library which will contain a library of all the above mentioned documents to be available for FREQ by any and all nodes listed within that net. The address of this library should be made publicly available upon it's conception so all current nodes will be aware of it's existance, and should furthermore be pointed out specifically to all new members applying for a node. The purpose of this library being the availability of all relevant FIDOnet documentation to all nodes via a known single location. Summary I feel that given the size FIDOnet has grown to with the amount of relevant information governing it's operation and the general lack of knowledge of it's member nodes of anything beyond the information contained within Policy4 that this proposition would be beneficial to all current members as well as an aid to all new members wanting further knowledge of the the operation and requirements of FIDOnet. End of outline. Could someone either inform me of the address to which I should forward this for further consideration or if so inclined forward it yourself. Robert LaPrise 1:282/4098 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Editor-Beings, This missive is submitted by Charles Herriot of 1:163/110 who was able to bag Logger and force his paws onto the keyboard. Logger was a little distraught, standing in his tie-dyed shirt and muttering: "Gerry's dead. Gerry's dead. I can't believe it. Does this mean I have to go home now?" Roll da' flick, Sylvia... Dear Reverend Visage, I woke up this morning to the usual savage and ugly nightmares in my netmail directory. I feel, as a sort of African Killer Bee watch kind of public service, I should FidoNews 12-34 Page: 12 21 Aug 1995 note that the California Spam 'N Timmies have advanced as far as Texas. We always knew that there was an enclave of humour impaired folks in New Jersey, but this encroachment on Texas leaves me wondering whether I should store my entire Bee-Gees collection of vinyl in the salt mines. This is ugly stuff Visage, and I'm almost prepared to credit you with prescience for having snuck off to a Thai bordello to wait out the coming plague. This scene unfolded with the usual preludes... a comment on the dyslexia of users who quote to excess... all rendered in my usual polite and non-confrontational style. As you know, I have long suspected that when Phil Spector started producing records with his "wall of sound" effects, that he was subtly influencing future generations of people who would eventually try for the same conditions in their messages. In an echo that not only smelled like fish, but coincidentally is devoted to fish keeping, I posited a theory that messages which started with a waterfall cascade of drooling quotes followed by monosyllabic gruntings, might not be the best application of the medium. Who would have thought that my characterizations of such messages as "moronic, cretinous, and literately maladroit" would have provoked such near-frenzied opprobrium from users, moderators and their sheep? You'd think that these people would evince a modicum of embarrassment for allowing their communications to devolve into witless sloth, but no... molten sheets of AcetyleneMail lit up my netmail directory. It gets worse. In an echo whose purpose is devoted to writing. An echo, I might add, which curiously has more mindlessly quoted text than a Jimmy Swaggart revival and might more appropriately be renamed the "plagiarism" echo. In this echo I have been chastised for referring obliquely to the charms of Australians. (Please try not to choke on that oxymoron, we're dealing with serious themes here and we need all the concentration we can muster.) I was castigated because my reference to the speech patterns was deemed to be a racist act. There is a politically correct warning in this...lit up in neon like Tipper Gore's moral crusade. The world is no longer safe from humourless trolls who cannot distinguish between parody and malice. I may have to move to California immediately to get it over with. I would write more, Visage, but a summer's vacation appears to have had no beneficial effects on your secretary. She is pointing a speargun at me and threatening mayhem. Her rage really has nothing at all to do with the fact that I returned with a brace of plattipii who have gotten into the toner fluid and have begun to make amorous advances to the fax machine. As a good a decent gesture, I think that we should send your secretary to Australia where she is sure to be won over by their social graces. FidoNews 12-34 Page: 13 21 Aug 1995 Regards, Doc Logger Giant Clam School of Windsurfing, Furlang Island, South Pacific ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please ! Not in Public by Bob Moravsik 2606/583 By pontific proclamation our beloved bop a rootie died on July 31st. It was old, it was ignored, it was laughed at. IT WAS TIME to do something with an over postured waste of bandwidth. Boppy tried to be sold as a document of "the backbone" but most simply ignored it and went on with the routing pursuant to the two party agreements. The "the backbone" was posture to make newbees think that this "backbone" was the mysterious source that one may suckle at to recieve one's daily fix of echo mail. In reality there is no real "backbone". Just many people stuffing messages back and forth like 100's of routers do. But then..what about this backbone "cult". The religion must continue. Ahhh...rethoric to the rescue. Keep the same object of control. Just change the name. After all bop a rootie wasn't policy....it was "a procedure". Take the same old worn out Rethoric..make believe someone cares about it. Posture it, as if lots of newsbees are "Frequently" asking these questions. Put it in the form of Answers and make it Tivial: Frequently Answered Rethotical Trivia. Then have it authored by "Bruce" and we got: Bruce's FART ! The same old smell ! The same old nonsense....control control control. Fidonet is for communications....farting...well that should be done in the privacy of ones home. Its all nonsense. Need a link ?...no FARTing here ! Bob Moravsik FidoNews 12-34 Page: 14 21 Aug 1995 Requiem to an Ansi Artist by Michele Stewart 1:369/21 Requiem to an Ansi Artist! Every once in a great while, someone comes along to touch your heart and mind and maybe tickle your funny bone. It was 1990, or thereabouts, when I first "met" Violet Stymacks, an ansi artist and sysop extraordinnaire. Violet would draw ansi's for the sysops in Fidonet and send them out on her own dime, unsolicited but not unwanted. If the name of a board struck her fancy, she would design an artful, beautiful sometimes whimsical ansi screen and file attach it along to the sysop. She never asked for money. She never asked for thanks. She never asked for anything from anyone but she managed to make alot of people feel good. It was said about her that she freely gave of her time and talents to total strangers for nothing in return. You don't meet many people like that anywhere, let alone in "Fight-O-Net". But there you have her. On July 31, 1995, after a long and painful bout with cancer, Violet died in her home, surrounded by her family. The joy and love she brought to everyone during her lifetime will not be forgotten and Violet has gained a form of immortality with her unselfish giving and beautiful ansi art. Her significant other, Ray Landers, is, of course, devastated by her passing. As are many of us. He was one of the lucky ones to know her as more than just another name in the nodelist. Together, they ran Rhinoceros Kitchen (1:125/115), Violet's quirky humor determining the perfect name to describe how she felt when in one. It was a homey place and like alot of home kitchens, made one feel welcome and warm. Unfortunately, Ray will be taking down Rhinoceros Kitchen and has no idea if or when he will ever re-open it. Our love goes out to him, who was so close to her. Together they made a small difference in our world. We can only thank our own higher power (whatever that may be for each of us) that Violet was allowed to touch our lives. No matter how brief that touch was, it will always be remembered... as will Violet. A full archive of Violet's ansi art can be found at ftp.netcom.com /pub/ra/rayl/violet.zip. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Fidonews Information ======================================================================== FidoNews 12-34 Page: 15 21 Aug 1995 ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ---------------- Editors: Donald Tees, Sylvia Maxwell Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar Tom Jennings "FidoNews" BBS FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS) more addresses: Don -- 1:221/192, don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Sylvia- 1:221/194, max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews 128 Church St. Kitchener, Ontario Canada N2H 2S4 voice: (519) 570-3137 sylvia: (519) 579-8029 Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. 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' ' disgreement is actually necessary, or we'd all have to get in fights or semethin to amuse ourselves,, and create the requisite chaos." -Tom Jennings -- END ---------------------------------ooh----------------------------------