F I D O N E W S -- Vol.12 No.19 (08-May-1995) +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS | | _ | +1-519-570-4176 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | | | | (*) | \ )) | Editors: | | |__U__| / \// | Donald Tees 1:221/192 | | _//|| _\ / | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: editors 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | submissions=> editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Sylvia-max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Tim Pozar -- pozar@kumr.lns.com | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================== Table of Contents ======================================================================== 1. Editorial..................................................... 1 2. Articles...................................................... 2 Subject: "How to Manage Your Personal Smurfdoms"............ 2 Backbone Echo Changes [Mar-Apr]............................. 4 3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 5 ======================================================================== Editorial ======================================================================== I have been corresponding with an ex Fidonet sysop from Hong Kong regarding the doings there, and what "we" should be doing about them. Truth is, what CAN we do about them? Nothing really. Ultimately, only the sysops in a particular area can remedy problems in that area. People talk about the "fidogods" as if they have some sort of power to change things. I know that personally, about all I can do is print the articles that come in. I cannot (and do not want to) control anything outside my own BBS. It astonishes me to be included in some mythical group of fidogods. I have not even met anyone else that seems to be included in that group, let alone planned anything with them. I probably have FidoNews 12-19 Page: 2 08 May 1995 had posts from some, but the posts looked exactly the same as the ones that came from points. No more no less. Here in our own net, I am in the midst of a debate on whether non-hubs should be allowed to vote in net decisions. As I gave up being a hub a year or so back, I have been eliminated suddenly from voting status to a non-entity. I argue against it the same as any other sysop in any other net. It is time that we started to develope new methods. The political shortcomings of fidonet are largely the result of technological shortcomings. We are stagnating, and we should be doing something about it. ======================================================================== Articles ======================================================================== Subject: "How to Manage Your Personal Smurfdoms" From: Cindy Ingersoll (formerly 1:2623/71) 4/26/95 Greetings Editor! I dunno if all of what I'd like to express would fit or be fitting for the Snooze. I imagine even wanting to write the following will get me in more trouble. But, having no other means to let people know what's going on here in net2623, I figure I got nothing to loose - my node number was already yanked, deleted, expunged from the nodelist like a loose speck of dust off a disk head. Why? What heinous crime did I commit? What moral atrocity did I perpetrate?? I was given 2 days notice, at around 1am, day 1, that my mailer (Portal of Power) was not FTS-0001 compliant. I immediately replied asking what exactly is wrong with the mailer, and I will try to fix it, having no idea where this "non compliance" spiel was coming from, because for several months now my mailer and the NCs mailer have had not one problem sending mail, and the NC was the one who installed PoP for me ITFP. Next day I tried calling the NC voice, no answer, calling his nodes, no answer. When I finally get a carrier later that afternoon, I got Yoohoo/2u2 everytime it sees 2623/71 calling! Hmm. The mailer was not the real issue. Its just the only semi-plausible excuse this NC has to expunge me from the nodelist. There was a discussion going on in our local net sysop echo, about CRaPs, local net rules and elections, and areafix access to requisite fido areas (or the lack thereof for non-CRaP nodes). Apparently, even discussing these things was enough to get me kicked out. One node asked why there was no elections or net policy. His reward was removal from that mandatory sysop echo.. Another node, not in our net, not even sposed to be posting in that echo, made some harsh comments about the NCs way of responding to us, FidoNews 12-19 Page: 3 08 May 1995 but he was given permission to stay and didn't even suffer one pointed word in retaliation (even tho the guy pretty much slapped him [the NC] in the face for being so medievial).. We were called assholes and bitches for less. I think the bulk of the problem lies in the fact that this NC made more or less a *business* out of reselling his PC feed. No one ever denied he had a right to charge whatever fee, but realistically, considering the number of potential "buyers" of fido echos, and the explicitly *non profit* nature of fido, $10 a month for echos is ALOT - and that may be why this NC has only 3-5 paying members (out of what 40??). Specially when the same NC offers ALL of usenet (8000 newsgroups now??) for $20 a month through the same PC feed used for fido?! And even more, when you can get full Internet dialup access locally for $10 a month ;^) I already know the answer that I'll get tho, "Too bad, if you can't pay for the toys" which is fine, which is why I went and got feeds out of state. But is bringing these things forward for discussion, and then being deleted from the nodelist, the norm here in fidonet? Since when did a net become the personal smurfdom of any particular NC?? (Or has it always been like that?? I've only been in the net a few months and boy it's been, uhh, instructional..) Does investing in equipment to handle fido mean *buying* ownership of the net/nodelist segment?? There was alot more involved in this particular incident, a Pee4 was filed by me, hasn't been resolved yet I spose, at least I have not heard anything, just got a cc: from the RC, directed to the NC asking why I was deleted.. No answer yet. I archived the posts, maybee I should publish them, "How to Manage Your Personal Smurfdom"? I guess the only thing I can do is sit and wait, while all my incoming netmail goes to bitbucket.. Funny, the snooze editor was just saying something about a woman who went psycho and butchered some one after being deleted from the nodelist? ;) Nah couldn't happen :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thnaks to Paul Cuni (1:141/515) for my new sig file! I am not looking foward to having this shit in your crappy fidonews. The articles in it are long and drawn out. It's like reading a Novel to express a simple point. I could go on but I'd just be wasting my breath like your Newsletter wastes my bandwidth. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CiA FidoNews 12-19 Page: 4 08 May 1995 Backbone Echo Changes [Mar-Apr] by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/6 lisa@m2xenix.psg.com Summary of backbone & quasi-backbone echo changes during Mar & Apr. Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff. diff (fidonet.na + fidonet.no) 05-Mar-95 (ditto) 30-Apr-95 [edited] Added to the backbone --------------------- > 10TH_AMD 10th Amendment > ADEPT_SYSOP ADEPT SysOp to SysOp support > BASSGTR Bass Guitar Echo > BIG_SMOKE Cigar Lovers Echo > BIRTHMOTHERS BIRTHMOTHERS' SUPPORT ECHO > CAN_SYSLAW Canadian Systems Law > CONFED_HERITAGE Confederate Heritage > CREDIT Help in obtaining and maintaining credit. > DELPHI Borland DELPHI > ECHO_ADS Advertise FidoNet Echos Here > FARMING Farm Life and Production Agriculture > FLAT_TAX Flat rate taxation and government waste. > FREE_SPEECH Freedom of Speech and Expression > GOP_POLITICS Grand Old Party > GO_PROD_SUP Green/Ortiz Product Support Echo > HOLY_BIBLE_FCS Respond to posts made to you in HOLY_BIBLE > HOTROD HOTROD > KAG Klingon Assault Group Echo > LORD Legend Of The Red Dragon Doorgame > MATH MATH HELP OR QUESTIONS > MCC_SUPPORT Multiboard Communications Support > MDOOR_HELP Maindoor Mailer Support Conference > MEET_AFT Meeting After > OCI.TECH Front Door, MsgTrack, Toss Scan, Msgalert, etc. > OJ_SIMPSON People VS OJ Simpson Discussion > OMEGA_SOFT Omega Software Support Conference > OS2GAMES OS/2 Games Echo > P5DRAFT Promption & Discussion of Policy 5 DRAFT > PRO_LIFE Pro-Life Question and Answer Forum > QEDIT QEdit Echo > REAL_FREE_SPEECH Real Free Speech - No Moderation > RTSOFT Robinson Technologies Software Support > SIMPSONS The Simpsons > SINGLE_MOMS Forum for Single Mothers > STARTREK_CCG STAR TREK CUSTOMIZABLE CARD GAME > SYSOP_ISSUES SysOp's Issues-Alternative to SYSOP & FN_SYSOP > VEGAN The Vegetarian Echo > X-FILES X-Files TV show discussions NOTE: HOTROD and QEDIT are returning echos (previously deleted from the backbone because their ELIST entries expired). FidoNews 12-19 Page: 5 08 May 1995 Removed from the backbone or quasi-backbone ------------------------------------------- < MACFSALE Macintosh For Sale/Wanted o There are 764 echos in fidonet.na [30-Apr-95] (up 23) o There are 20 echos in fidonet.no [30-Apr-95] (up 14) o for a total of 784 backbone & quasi-backbone echos (up 37) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Fidonews Information ======================================================================== ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ---------------- Editors: Donald Tees, Sylvia Maxwell Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar Tom Jennings "FidoNews" BBS FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS) more addresses: Don -- 1:221/192, don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Sylvia- 1:221/194, max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews 128 Church St. Kitchener, Ontario Canada N2H 2S4 voice: (519) 570-3137 Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. 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