F I D O N E W S -- Vol.11 No.48 (28-Nov-1994) +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet BBS community | "FidoNews" BBS | | _ | +1-519-570-4176 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | Small animal psychology and | | (_| /_) | Spiritual guidance Department: | | _`@/_ \ _ | Rev. Richard Visage 1:163/409 | | | | \ \\ | | | | (*) | \ )) | Editor: | | |__U__| / \// | Donald Tees 1:221/192 | | _//|| _\ / | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 | | (_/(_|(____/ | Tim | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: editors 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MORE addresses: | | | | Don -- don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Tim Pozar -- pozar@kumr.lns.com | | David Deitch -- 1:133/411.411, deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org | | | submissions=> editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies of fidonews or the internet gateway faq | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================== Table of Contents ======================================================================== 1. Editorial..................................................... 2 2. Articles...................................................... 2 New Net in FidoNet!!!....................................... 2 New Firearms Related Echomail............................... 3 Reply to FrontDoor.......................................... 4 Pit of Sin Resort,.......................................... 4 Swamp Swine Magazine,....................................... 6 Subject: echomail security.................................. 7 Subject: Fido Info.......................................... 8 Subject: FTSC............................................... 9 Fidonet Echo Security Part II............................... 9 Gutter Language In FidoNews................................. 10 Discriminatory Attitudes in FidoNews........................ 11 Modem Emilia................................................ 12 3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 13 FidoNews 11-48 Page: 2 28 Nov 1994 ======================================================================== Editorial ======================================================================== About two hours ago, we had 3 snooze articles. Now we have about a dozen. Saved by the bell again. A quick comment on commercial advertising. while Fidonews does not carry comercial advertizing, that is not to say we never carry comercial advertisments. If we receive what is a blatant ad, and nothing but an ad, we *might* put it in if we have an empty snooze. If it carries a good deal of information that we think is useful to a group of fido sysops, we will probably put it in. Here is the snooze. ======================================================================== Articles ======================================================================== New Net in FidoNet!!! By Emmanuel Bouchard FidoNet: 1:2404/0 First of all, I have some difficulties writing in english, but I will try to make me understand the best I can! I'm proud to announce the creation of a new net in the FidoNet world! In fact, the Net-2404 is born because of the innaction of the Net-240 Coordinator. Other SysOps of my area and I were really upset about the incredible amount of time it was taking to got an answer from the Coordinator. There were two applications to FidoNet in the last 2 months and we did never got an answer to them. So, one month ago, I began procedures to make myself a FidoNet Host and to run my own Net. I talked to two great person who helped me a lot. The first one was Rick Johnston (1:12/0) who help me getting my Nodelist submission to date and the other was Ken Wilson (1:12/0 (REC)) who helped me in echomail procedures. I would like to thanks both of them for the help they gave me! So that's it, I hope the Net-2404 will become a great part of FidoNet and I already enjoy the great universe of FidoNet! FidoNews 11-48 Page: 3 28 Nov 1994 New Firearms Related Echomail Two New Echomail Areas Now Available!! ====================================== As of 11/11/94, the following two echomail areas have been added to the fidonet backbone distribution system. You should be able to request these from your local NEC or other local echomail source. These are also being carried on Planet Connect! as well. A big thank you goes to Rick Ashworth (R11EC) and Jerry Seward (R13EC) GUNS ==== An echo dedicated to the discussion of firearms, and the advancement of their uses in target shooting, hunting, defense, collecting, and just about any other legal means. This echo is not a political echo but the ocassional RTKBA discussion will not be frowned upon. Moderation of this echo is by the level headed Elmer Cooper, who is always willing to lend a hand. Discussions of all firearms, both military and civilian, are welcome. Welcome to GUNS, where safety comes first. RELOAD ====== An echo devoted to the rifle, shotgun, and pistol cartridge reloader and those that would like to learn more about this fast growing art form. How much does it cost? Where can I get the equipment? Which powder is best? Is it legal? Does it really save money? Are handloads more accurate than factory? Find the answers to these and many many more questions in the RELOAD echo. RELOAD is also moderated by Elmer Cooper. Elmer has been reloading his own for years and is a vast source of reloading knowledge. Did you know that you can reload your own shotgun shells for less than $2.00 a box? Some pistol cartridges can be reloaded for less than three cents a round. Find out how! Subscribe to RELOAD today. RELOAD and GUNS are now available on the backbone. If you have problems getting the echo in your area, please notify Brian Murrey at 1:231/30 Currently GUNS is running about 100 messages a week, and RELOAD is running close to 60 a week. FidoNews 11-48 Page: 4 28 Nov 1994 Reply to FrontDoor by Stu Grant 1:275/71 Registered Frontdoor Sysop I would like to comment on the following statement made by James Smith (Online Communications): Begin quote: Registered use of our product requires that each copy run simultaneously, be registered by purchasing a license to use (LTU) for each copy that is in simultaneous use. This includes the use of multiple copies that are loaded into memory, and are being run under a multi-tasker to service multiple lines for mail, BBS and other operations. If you run two or more nodes, then two or more licenses must be purchased through Online Communications. Failure to do so puts an individual in violation of our license agreement as specified under section 3 of said agreement. End quote: I would like everyone to note that the above was NOT included in any way as part of the license agreement that I signed when I registered FrontDoor. This crap about "multitasker" etc is a "flight of fancy" on the part of James Smith and the rest of the FrontDoor folks. If you ask ANY of the FrontDoor support team how to run the shareware version of FrontDoor Multiline, they will tell you that it can't be done. I was able to do this without thier help and NOW they seek to collect another registration on that which they say you can't do and they openly refuse to support. I believe this is not only unethical but fraud in the inducement to sign the "original" license agreement. I ran the shareware version of FrontDoor on a multinode system and was even nice enough to tell them about it. Instead of valid arguments related to the "interpretation" of the license agreement, I received threats which they now choose to publish to the FidoNet community. I no longer run FrontDoor, and I hope you don't either. I find it hard to believe that a shareware company can survive when they openly threaten thier registered customers. I run a FREE BBS folks, JoHo has clearly forgotten what this is all about and is a black eye to the shareware concept. This is the last sentence of my article. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pit of Sin Resort, Ganja Beach, Jamaica Mon cher docteur Logger, Ok, so I'm going looking for le Reverend Visage, just like you FidoNews 11-48 Page: 5 28 Nov 1994 are saying, yes? Bon, I am finding him here, but, tabernouche, it's not going be easy getting him back, ok? I'm only being lucky finding him parce que, sacrement, Lucille she is following this tellement grande trail de rum bottles all that way from l'aeroport. So, chalice, here is M. Visage, wearing his Reverend collar and not nothing else de plus, lying face down on this beach avec, taberwhet, maybe fifty empty bouteilles de rhum and beaucoup de Jamaican cigarette butts all around him. All he got with him is this speech he write for Jesse Helms, ok?, and this "Ollie North Campaign Guide" all scrunch up in his hand. You think maybe this a problem or something? He keep mumbling something about "Joint Cheifs of Staff" but maybe he just want more Jamaican cigarette. Bon, so I'm dragging le Reverend back to this hotel, ok? And, colin de bin, Lucille she getting almost as much peoples notice her pulling un Reverend with no pants on as she getting when she wearing hers topless spandex buttfloss sequin bikini chez Loblaws. Am I telling you how I lose this bikini top in this seafood section? Sacrement, you can't trust these maudit lobsters, ok? Not neither these squids, yes? Hostie, Lucille she need wearing two english muffins to get home,ok? Bien, alors, so there's this reggae band in le Reverend's hotel room, they saying that le Reverend Visage invite them, et aussi all these womans from the nude beach, and aussi un fermier, qui got beaucoup Jamaican cigarettes. Puis, aussi, some goats. Et, mon dieu, il y a maybe 15 those petit room service carts in here, ok? Tabernac, le Reverend is waking up now, ok? He say him too busy showing staff of God to nude beach babes for being writing, yes? He say to send ibogaine to Satti, real quick, 'cause it maybe give Satti some bigtime crazies and he say it be fun watch some majordomo kind netwar if he just take all the dumshit pukes, et chalice, Lucille she no can more understand le Reverend Visage he gots stuff in his mouth, no? Like some parts nude beach babes. He say something about stepping on bugs, Lucille think, ok? Et aussi, he maybe say all these gars de 250 dans REG12 sont des wankers, bigtime. Taberdooey, I'm having to go now save le Reverend from les nude beach babes there only one him et, chalice, beaucoup des filles. Comme la consultante de Spandex, Lucille she suggest you having Sylvia send more monies, toute de suite, avant que we be running out of this rum. Le Reverend he say it ok, is helping out some third world peoples, yes? Ms. Lucille LaBamba Spandex Consultant to the Fidonet Spiritual Advisor FidoNews 11-48 Page: 6 28 Nov 1994 Swamp Swine Magazine, Shuckmagosh, Ohio Dear Reverend Visage, I must commend your secretary, Ms. Labamba. I had sent her to HongKong to investigate the tong wars erupting in Net700, thinking that she could stop in Thailand to determine if you were ensconced in another opium den giving comfort to the Lei sisters. Her homing instincts are as keen as they ever were and I suspect that she sensed a strong rum-laden wind coming from the south and was able to follow it to its source. Her correspondence was illuminating, and her follow-up telephone conversation was short. Specifically she said " Hokay, I will be gone, how you say, a few time." Incidentally, how did you manage to order a rhino from room service...or was that you bellowing in the background? I have had to place a large brick on my key as I scroll through the regional mail since Net250 continues to devolve into some sort of infantile slimepit. Water-bombing them with Prozac would probably be efficacious. We *still* haven't heard from Satti (cue the plague of moose) with respect to the policy complaint which has caused colonic tremours in Net250 for so long. I fear that Satti may have taken your place in Thailand. We may need to cash in our investments in Missouri Trout ranches to bail the poor fellow out. Mercifully Pedro, my faithful nag, nuzzled me out of somnolence and pointed me at a new windmill for my next Quixote bout of bad craziness. Having made the mistake earlier in life of procreating, I now find myself with children who are immersed in what the province oxomoronishly refers to as "the educational system." To my surprise, the teaching profession is still populated by near-illiterates, psychologically red-lined lunatics and vicious trolls. It is a testimony to my naivete that I had assumed that all of the deadwood would somehow have been pastured out of the teaching profession now that they actually impose a few educational prerequisites upon teachers. What I missed, in my PollyAnna perceptions was the fact that the current crop of teachers were... pausing for emphasis... taught to teach by teachers. If that isn't a near perfect tautological loop for brain entropy, then nothing is. I fear that I have become insensitive to the plight of teachers who work a mere eight months for a twelve month salary. Surely they could be sent out to dig ditches for their four month holiday so that they are not totally useless to society? This month's "Bend Over, I'll Drive You Home" award goes to Bill Dirks whose latest screed in Fidonews repeated a FidoNews 11-48 Page: 7 28 Nov 1994 step-by-step lunatic primer in case there were any tots left in the universe who were unaware of how fragile our mail system has become. Mercifully, no one reads the Snooz, and even better, the issues which the Dirkster raised were dealt with at least a year ago. In his bovine innocence, the poor sod just doesn't understand that no Fidogod is going to broadcast their methods for circumventing the type of bogus invasion he envisions. Why give the little weenies a challenge to develop some new mechanism for fouling up the nest? A nice warm hand job for Dirk I say, and may the force be with him. (As a good and decent gesture, I suggest that we send him to Net700 where they have taken security concerns to the logical limits and removed 250 sysops from the nodelist.) I must go Visage, the pressure warning klaxon on the still just went off and it'd be a damned shame to smear malted corn all over your living room again. Regards, Doc Logger, "Interview With The Umpire" film set (a film about blood-sucking agents) Annaconda, Montana ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: echomail security From: Richard Webb 1:283/520 I would like to make a short follow-up comment to Bill Dirks' article in Fidonews 1147. Should you see fit to edit this in any way for inclusion in fidonews, feel free to do same. It seems to me that the problem Bill describes is easily solved by requiring all echomail hubs and their downlinks to use session or packet passwords. Most reasonable folks I know do so. Since some don't implement proper security measures, maybe it's time to codify another dreaded rule. Any system wishing to receive fidonet echomail must implement proper security measures. It's akin to saying that everybody should lock their homes when they leave, but, it seems to me that, since some are unwilling to do so, we must make it a requirement. This would solve the problems Bill explains in his article, and eliminate the need for censorship at any level. While I'm making comments about recent fidonews issues, the comment made about fidonews formatting and screen readers has its merits, but, I've just ignored the little pretty ascii art. However, it would be nice to have a way of delineating the start of the next article, so that the guy with said screen reader can FidoNews 11-48 Page: 8 28 Nov 1994 use his favorite ascii viewer/editor's search command to jump to start of next article. That way, avoiding the ascii art is easier done. Regards, and Happy holidays. Richard Webb ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fido Info. From: Chuck Stoy (1:114/268) FidoNews: I have recently been dialing into local BBSs looking for a simple way of accessing the Internet, from the DOS world. Seeing numerous comments about BBSs offering such connections, I found a BBS & Sysop who seems well qualified to handle such things since it is a techie type programming oriented board, and they take their BBSing seriously. In finding my way around, it appears that FIDO Net is pretty basic to a lot of what is going on. However as I have looked through available echos etc., I see nothing about the FIDONet itself. I expected to find perhaps an echo named FIDODoc or the likes which contains basic documentation info. about FIDO, how it works and why, etc. or maybe hitchikers guide to FIDO. Does such a thing exist? I see comments and a lot of assumptions on the part of numerous users about how all this is (supposed to be) working, along with NetMail etc. which sounds like maybe it is serving many of the DOS type nets as well as FIDO, but I also find there is no hitchikers' guide to netmail, and no definitive information on how it works, either. As I have asked different sysops, and echo moderators about this lack of info. the pattern seems to be that you learn by osmosis, and asking others as you go. I recently found an 18 month old reference (on a CDROM disk on one board) to FidoNews at the address 1:1/23, so I decided to try out the sometimes working black hole called netmail, which out of about 25 message attempts, has worked 4 times for me so far - I have received 2 messages from others, and have sent one and received an answer to it, so far. So I will see (1) if this message gets through to whoever is at this address, then (2) wait to see if anything ever comes back from wherever 1:1/23 is. If netmail works, can you point me in the right direction to find general info. about things like FIDONet, and netmail, and the UUCP connection etc. etc. whether the source of info. is a BBS somewhere, or an undocumented echo, or whatever, or wherever such info. is available?? Thanx, Chuck FidoNews 11-48 Page: 9 28 Nov 1994 Subject: FTSC From: Richard Wheet (1:388/13) I'd like to take a few moments to thank the IC and FTSC for incorporating the V32T and VFC flags into the nodelist in such a timely fashion. With all the modem developers climbing over themselves to manufacture the V34 modems, it is comforting to know that the "temporary" standards have finally found a home in the nodelist, least they be quickly forgotten. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fidonet Echo Security Part II Bill Dirks 1:385/17 Fidonet Echo Security Part II Let me first say that responses from the first article in FNEWSB47 were good. This is a follow-up prompted by several questions and two items I failed to mention. I must thank John Souvestre of 1:396/1 regarding one I forgot to mention. I also need to clarify the issue of packet/bundle passwords also. Sorry for the oversights. I spent less than an hour on the original article. Something was bound to slip through (BWG). Anyway, let me point out a very important item I forgot to mention. This is defining "secure inbound directories". A secure inbound is just that, secure and separate from your normal inbound mail. Only bundles from nodelisted and session passworded systems is tossed here. All other mail goes to an unsecured directory where it can be screened, etc. prior to processing. This is the importance of establishing unique passwords between every system you accept mail from. Related to this are the passwords you use at various points on your system. To many people between one system will use the same password used for the session as the one for a bundle password, the echomail manager password, and the file manager password. Use unique passwords for each area and each system. While setting up all the passwords is a real pain in the beginning, it will pay off down the road. This is because if one area of the system should be compromised, the rest is left intact. Your repair efforts will be limited to one area of the system instead of all the areas. It should be noted that not all mailers allow for secure inbound areas. Ones that I am aware of that do include BinkleyTerm, past several versions, FrontDoor, most recent version, TIMS, and D'Bridge. Also, if you set up and operate with secure inbound areas, password protected bundles become frivolous. While I mentioned packet/bundle passwords, they sometimes are not the route to go. I won't mention exactly how, but someone FidoNews 11-48 Page: 10 28 Nov 1994 determined can find out your packet password. Especially if you are not using password protected sessions and unique passwords between systems. One area I'm almost afraid to mention that's open on most systems is those incorporating off-line readers. While I don't want to dictate how to run a system, consider this. No matter how secure your mailer may be, if you allow first time callers access to upload access to your off-line reader, you are just as open to attack. Overall, in order of preference, you want to run your mailer and BBS in one of the following configurations. Granted, not all combinations of software allow this, but the goal is to come as close to the top preference as possible. A. Most Secure. Session passworded mailer and secure inbound directories. BBS doesn't allow first time callers upload access to echo areas. B. Next Best. Session passworded mailer and password protected bundles. Remember to use different passwords between the two. BBS doesn't allow first time callers upload access to echo areas. C. Next. Session passworded mailer. BBS doesn't allow first time callers upload access to echo areas. I've received only one partly negative response so far to the original article. This was sort of expected because it was partly written as a how to manual to demonstrate how easily a system can be compromised. Fortunately, this and the previous article lack just enough information to not make those reading this easy targets. In other words, while the way to ram packets seems pretty easy, it's not "quite" as easy as it's been presented. Some additional effort is required. I hope the past two articles have helped some people out there. While I'm familiar with several mailers and BBS's, I'm not a help line per se. Read the manuals and contact the software authors with specific questions. Bill Dirks Safe Hex Central 1:385/17 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gutter Language In FidoNews by Tom Rightmer, 1:385/0 Gutter Language In FidoNews I've noticed that all recent issues of FidoNews contain either sexual material, profanity, gutter language, or a combination of all of the above. I fail to understand why this is necessary in a publication of this type, especially when you consider that children will be reading FidoNews 11-48 Page: 11 28 Nov 1994 this garbage. What's next after "Dominatrix"? I can just hear junior now, "Daddy, what is a dominatrix?" FIDOnet has no age requirements for membership, so many nets around the country have children operating FIDOnet systems. It is mandatory to make FidoNews available to all nodes, so children are reading every issue of FidoNews. I find this unacceptable, and it may even be against the law. It is time to explore some options: (1) clean up FidoNews so that it can be read by children; (2) leave FidoNews as is but delete the rule that makes it mandatory to distribute it; (3) make two versions of FidoNews, one g-rated and one for adults only, and allow each net to decide which version they distribute. Something has to give here. I don't want to distribute material like this to children, and I don't like the idea that FIDOnet may be involved in an illegal activity. This matter needs to be addressed quickly. I doubt that intelligent people need gutter language to express an idea or opinion, and I am certain that children should not be exposed to material contained in recent issues of FidoNews. You may send hate netmail to 1:385/0 or bash me in your next issue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Discriminatory Attitudes in FidoNews by Jesse Tharin In FidoNews 1147 of November 21 I argued, using two separate but related considerations, that this newsletter is formatted awkwardly, and nearly dysfunctionally so for a large group of people who need to use screen readers to access their computers. The first consideration was that most people, sighted or blind, read these words on screen, yet the formatting is set up for the printed page. The second was an attempt to draw attention to the passive discrimination practiced by both the former and current editors towards blind and other visually impaired people without actually accusing the editors of discriminatory publishing, deliberate or not. I guess the jokes and self-deprecation I used in order to soften the criticism didn't work, so I need to now write a harder argument. Even after explaining how bad it reads, we're told in the editorial that it's not the editor's problem: "However, i like ascii art, since it's the haiku of computer graphics. But then, i don't have to listen to everything through a screen reader." I can't decide whether this is raw patronization or just elitism, but either way it is both insulting and mildly annoying. I also noticed that the editor person started the editorial off with a vague pattern of eighty seven periods, every one of them faithfully pronounced "period" to me, for no apparent good FidoNews 11-48 Page: 12 28 Nov 1994 reason whatsoever. In light of the article being referenced by the editorial, it appears to be a deliberate attempt to annoy. Here is a very common discriminatory attitude; if it was passive and based on the feeling that it's someone else's problem, then that would be acceptable, perhaps addressed by education. Maybe my attempt at education was poor, but I see the editorial response as a deliberate discomfiting of a large group of members of this network. The editor shows us callousness where a response of "that should be easy to fix" would have been appropriate and easily implemented, even over several months' time. The FidoNews is difficult to read for *anyone*. Writing a new compilation tool for the FidoNews would be trivial. The editorial continues with the words: "i suppose i should make file-requestable a readable-word text only fidonews..." This is not good; it should be distributed through normal FidoNews channels. It should *BE* FidoNews. Let people FREQ the gingerbreaded version if they want it. Let's turn this innate visual bias around a bit and see who misses it. The rest of the above quote says "...but i've got to finish all the progects i'm already WAAAY late with before i take on more." Then why, dears, did you take on the project called FidoNews if you're too busy? Jesse Tharin 1:300/7 Tucson Arizona USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Modem Emilia q: How would one achieve world peace through BBSing? a: Send an anonymous chain love letter. q: Can i get booted off the Flame echo for failing to be sufficiantly rude? q: What is masochism? a: The belief that God is the moderator of the Flame echo. q: Are you sorry you put "Dominatrix" on the trailer of Fidonews? a: I am extremely sorry i placed it above other words on the trailer. FidoNews 11-48 Page: 13 28 Nov 1994 ======================================================================== Fidonews Information ======================================================================== ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ---------------- Editors: Donald Tees, Sylvia Maxwell Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar Tom Jennings "FidoNews" BBS FidoNet 1:1/23 BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS) more addresses: Rev. Richard Visage -- 1:163/409 Don -- 1:221/192, don@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com (Postal Service mailing address) FidoNews 128 Church St. Kitchener, Ontario Canada N2H 2S4 voice: (519) 570-3137 Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation of individual articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation does not diminish the rights of the authors. Opinions expressed in these articles are those of the authors and not necessarily those of FidoNews. Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is Copyright 1994 Sylvia Maxwell. All rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or the eds. Articles by Madam emilia may be retransmitted freely through cyber-space. OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic form may be obtained from the FidoNews BBS via manual download or Wazoo FileRequest, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet. PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above paper-mail address, or trade for copy of your 'zine. INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via FTP from ftp.fidonet.org, in directory ~ftp/pub/fidonet/fidonews. Anyone interested in getting a copy of the INTERNET GATEWAY FAQ may freq GISFAQ.ZIP from 1:133/411.0, or send an internet message to FidoNews 11-48 Page: 14 28 Nov 1994 fidofaq@gisatl.fidonet.org. No message or text or subject is necessary. The address is a keyword that will trigger the automated response. People wishing to send inquiries directly to David Deitch should now mail to fidonet@gisatl.fidonet.org rather than the previously listed address. SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews BBS, or Wazoo filerequestable from 1:1/23 as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". Please read it. "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered trademarks of Tom Jennings, and are used with permission. "the pulse of the cursor is the heartbeat of fidonet"... -- END ----------------------------------------------------------------------