F I D O N E W S -- Vol.10 No.47 (21-Nov-1993) +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | A newsletter of the | | | FidoNet BBS community | Published by: | | _ | | | / \ | "FidoNews" BBS | | /|oo \ | +1-519-570-4176 1:1/23 | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | Editors: | | | | \ \\ | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 | | | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 | | |__U__| / \// | Tim Pozar 1:125/555 | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Submission address: editors 1:1/23 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet addresses: | | | | Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | | Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com | | Both Don & Sylvia (submission address) | | editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For information, copyrights, article submissions, | | obtaining copies and other boring but important details, | | please refer to the end of this file. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================== Table of Contents ======================================================================== 1. Editorial..................................................... 2 2. Articles...................................................... 2 About Liberty, Democracy and those little smart things...... 2 Dead person needs to be identified!......................... 5 Region25 Cabal.............................................. 5 REORGANISATION - WHO IS FOOLING WHO......................... 6 My reply to David Cupp's article............................ 10 New Network in Town......................................... 11 TAPE Echomail conference now online......................... 13 MooseChat: Canada's Noblest Chat Echo!...................... 13 ADVERTISEMENT............................................... 14 3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 15 FidoNews 10-47 Page: 2 21 Nov 1993 ======================================================================== Editorial ======================================================================== Apologies are in order today. Many weeks ago, we received an article in Spanish, and it has taken much longer than it should have to translate it. Problem was, we did not feel that we could do the translation justice. Many thanks to Mark Stuckless for doing it for us. It is one of those articles, moreover, that we should all take the time to read. It is easy for some of us to forget that the type of freedom that we enjoy was won with the heartache and pain of thousands of people. It is simple polemic to decry power tripping by a few people at the top as fascist and dictatorial ... truth is that the net enjoys a freedom that would be astonishing to people of the not too distant past. And of the not too distant distance, for that matter. Hey. Wha-dya-mean "freedom"? "We" do not have enough of that elusive quality/thing. It is difficult to do anything without some forms of conventions, protocols, or particular symbol sets, but those things tend to become entrenched in habits and methods in excess of their usefulness. One thing i like about programmers, or i guess anyone trying to get something done, are their questions: "Yes, but does it work? Yes, but is it useful?". Something i like about creative people in general, is their question, "yes, but do we l i k e it?". What do you want/offer? Why? i guess we have to give or take a bit so we can handshake and get it on. ======================================================================== Articles ======================================================================== About Liberty, Democracy and those little smart things... by Federico Joselevich, Region 90 co-ordinator (4:90/0) Translation by Mark Stuckless (1:221/278) Hay hombres que luchan un d¡a y son buenos Hay hombres que luchan un a¤o y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos a¤os y son muy buenos Pero hay quienes luchan toda la vida, esos son los imprescindibles. (Bertolt Brecht) Translation: There are men who fight one day and are good. There are men who fight one year and they are better. There are some who fight many years and are they are better still. But there are some that fight their whole lives, these are the ones that are [invicible.][?] (Bertolt Brecht) FidoNews 10-47 Page: 3 21 Nov 1993 Con un sincero pesar leo esta noche lo que est  pasando en la lejana -para nosotros- Regi¢n 24. With a sincere heaviness I read this evening about what is happening (in what is for us a distant place-) Region 24. Una de las primeras cosas que pens‚ cuando me enter‚ c¢mo funcionaba y qu‚ era la Telem tica fue que, m s all  de las pol¡ticas internas y de los delirios de poder que pueda tener la gente, este es un espacio de comunicaci¢n, de comunicaci¢n democr tica. One of the first things I realized after learning what telecommunications was and how it worked, was that beyond the internal politics and delusions of power that people have, this medium provides a place of communication, of democratic communication. Ser¡a casi redundante decir que todos podemos, de alguna manera, expresar por mensajes nuestra opini¢n con respecto a lo que ocurre porque *esto* (el expresarlo) es una de las caracter¡sticas de la telem tica. Pero es este el derecho que m s hay que defender. Siempre van a aparecer quienes quieran cercenarlo para poder sentirse "m s importantes". ¨A qu‚ estamos jugando? It would be almost redundant to say that we all, in some way, through messages can express our opinion concerning what is happening in Region 24 because *this* (the act of expressing) is one of the characteristics of telecommunication. But this is the right which we must above all defend. There will always appear those who will want to [censor/change?] in order to feel "more important." But do they think this is a game they are playing? Aqu¡, en Argentina, hemos sufrido demasiados golpes militares durante este siglo como para saber que la democracia es algo que hay que defender todos los d¡as, desde abajo. Cito palabras de Robel Merech (4:900/121): "La democracia es el £nico sistema por el cual el ser humano puede llegar a ser m s feliz. En todos lados, en una red, en la calle, en todos lados.". Here in Argentina, we have suffered too many military coups during this century to not realize that democracy is something that has to be defended everyday, from the bottom up. According to the words of Robel Merech (4:900/121): "Democracy is the only system of government whereby the human being may become happy. In all areas, in one's home, the street, in all areas." Casi siempre, cuando le cuento a alguien ajeno a la telem tica de la existencia de esta, me responde con un "Vos est s en lo que ser  el medio de comunicaci¢n de nuestros hijos". ¨Cual es el legado que queremos dejarle a quienes nos van a suceder? ¨el de un regimen verticalista y elitista donde el pronunciar *C haya que hacerlo de pi‚ y honr ndolo como si fuese un mes¡as ed‚nico? ¨es que hasta ahora no hemos entendido que la libertad de expresi¢n y de gesti¢n es lo esencial? FidoNews 10-47 Page: 4 21 Nov 1993 Almost always, when I tell somebody unfamiliar with telecommunications the existence of this form of communication, they tell me, "You are using what will be the medium of communication for our children." What is the legacy that we want to leave to those who will follow down this path after us? One of a strict authoritarian and elitist nature where the pronouncing of the *C (?) name will have to be done by standing up and saluting as if he was an [edenic messiah]? Have we not yet understood that liberty or freedom of expression in the net is the essential element? Releyendo los p rrafos anteriores se me vino a la cabeza la siguiente imagen: m s all  de la opini¢n que pueda tener uno acerca del capitalismo o del comunismo, el proceso democr tico alem n es algo que tiene que ser respetado hasta en lo m s nimio, desde el gobierno nacional hasta algo tan puro y simple como es una red telem tica. Si bien 8 meses de mandato como RC de la Regi¢n 90 no son mucho, son lo suficiente como para saber que a Fidonet no lo forman los *C: Fidonet es una red de Nodos, Points y usuarios. Ellos son quienes la hacen posible, por ellos se hizo, para ellos se hizo, ahora son ellos quienes la hacen. [Taking off my glasses ?] the following idea came to me: Beyond opinions one may have regarding capitalism or communism, the german democratic process is something that needs to be respected even [if the pace is slow ?] from the national government down to something pure and simple like how the the network is run. If eight months of being the RC of Region 90 aren't a lot, they are at least enough to teach me that FidoNet is not controlled by the *C. Fidonet is a network of nodes, points, and users. They are the ones that make it possible, because they are the ones who made it, for them it was made, and now they are the ones who are [taking it back/building it.][?] Desaf¡o a cualquier *C a demostrar lo contrario. I dare any *C to demonstrate the contrary. PD: Felicitaciones por la victoria Argentina en la Copa Am‚rica dirigirlas por Netmail. Vamos Argentina todav¡a! P.S. Direct all congratulations for Argentina in the Americas Soccer Cup via Netmail. Go Argentina Go! * Translated by Mark Stuckless (1:221/278)...All errors in translation are mine, but I have strived to be true to the general gist of the piece. FidoNews 10-47 Page: 5 21 Nov 1993 Dead person needs to be identified! By: Nils Hammar 2:205/601@fidonet 4341@msg.abc.se nils@bod.fdata.se In late August this year a man that probably had the name Silvio was found sitting by the road not far from where I live covering himself with a blanket. He was in a bad condition. He was transported to a hospital, but he died within 24 hours. The problem is that nobody had identified him yet. He was missing all kinds of identity papers and passports. The couple who found him said that they have heard him talking about that he was from northern Italy. His last name could have been Altieri. His age could have been 30 to 40 years (Very inexact). Interpol has reported that nobody with that name is known in Italy! There is no crime suspected, since he died by some kind of disease, however, the police wants to know his identity to be able to contact his relatives. If anybody have more information regarding this case, please send a netmail to one of the addresses above, and I will be forwarding the information to the police. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Region25 Cabal Sandie Franchi (2:253/157) Hello, This week will see the third release of the Region25 Classic nodelist. Despite attemps by many people, to persuade our Regional Commandant and his cabal to listen to the sysops of this region, he has decided to go ahead without considering a compromise. Despite the fact that a survey taken of the NCs came out in the majority in favour of such a compromise. Five being against and twelve being for a 'half' way solution. So much has the power gone to his and the cabal's heads, that they are running the region like a cantonment. Even by sending the hosts their updated segments for this weeks update. Anything other than the sysops listed in his listed segment, will be rejected. 'The "Net###.323" that you supplied overnight( Mon/Tues) has been rejected and will not be processed. The data contained in the file is unacceptable in that it contains nodes that are outside your geographic area and also nodes that are within your geographic area and not contained therein and apart from that, it does not represent in any great way the new data file I had previously delivered to you. FidoNews 10-47 Page: 6 21 Nov 1993 For this week, the Net### segment will compiled from the Master List held here of which a copy was supplied to you on Friday last for you to update and ammend with the geographic guidelines allready published. Peter - RC/25 -!- GoldED 2.42.A0701+0024UK1/D'Bridge ß2102/002129 ! Origin: Neverland eXpress | RC25 | Hst/V32 | +44-424-853361 (2:441/80) With his cabal, he is treating the sysops of the region, as if they were his serfs. There is no freedom to be tolerated, either we accept what he says, or we get out. Moreover, he doesn't talk to us directly anymore, but uses his henchmen, who say that only with geographically correct nets, will the power corruption that has gone on, be dispersed. Apparently, geographically correct nets does not allow for 'power' freaks!! Furthermore, we are denied the right of appeal, since the Zone Commandant backs him to the hilt and there will, in future months be more of this situation developing in Zone2. The Classic list, lists nearly 300 sysops and is rising daily. The only sadness I have, is that after 13 years as a sysop, nearly 7 of which I have been happily involved in Fidonet, that a situation like this has been allowed to develop. My own thoughts, is that it is a ploy to reduce the size of the nodelist. My reasons for this argument is, that some eighteen months ago, our Zone Commandant gave instructions for all private systems to be removed from the Zone2 segment of the Nodelist, with only certain exceptions, at Regional Coordinator's discretion. He and his junta are in fact achieving this, with over 800 sysops disappearing out of region24, region25 gives him over 1,000 and with region28 under similar attack, the savings on nodelist size will be tremendous. Its a sad time for zone2, but why if we are not wanted, because we clutter up the nodelist, don't these people tell us all we are not wanted. Or is there as someone said not so long ago, other plans are afoot. I begin to think there are! Till we know, all I can say is, let the little 'boys' of zone2 play, then perhaps when they reach maturity, they might find another hobby to terrorise. Sandie Franchi (First Lady Sysop in Zone2) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- REORGANISATION - WHO IS FOOLING WHO Keith Wassell (2:440/1) Hi out there, I'm not one for using the Snooze to try and polarise world opinion, so I'll try to be brief ! FidoNews 10-47 Page: 7 21 Nov 1993 We have seen in recent weeks some long articles on the unfairness of people being forced to 'comply' with P4, and reorganise into Geo-nets within R25. To update you, RC25 has now made a forced reorganisation of the region, and this will appear in this weeks nodelist. Its only fair to expect a bumper edition of the 'snooze' in weeks to come, with the 'I've been in fido xxxx years, why should I move ?' moans, yyyy zzzzzzz is an asshole moans, Policy doesn't specify geonets etc et al moans. But why was this reorganisation necessary ?..... Everyone seems to think there is no reason for Geo-nets. They are a Tiresome restriction I'll agree myself. In many places, notably Australia, they don't exist. In the USA there have been Geo-Nets for years. It would be naive of me to try and say why, above and beyond cost reasons, because I know nothing about how zone 1 is organised, and the philosophies behind that organisation, save for what is in policy, which originates from within that zone. In the UK we have not until now had Geonets. It was because 'With midnight lines we don't need them'. This was originally rubber stamped verbally by the then ZC2 of the hour Ron Dwight, at a meeting in late 1989/early 1990 at a meeting in London. I was there. This 'Blind eye' was never formally given in writing, and never formally rescinded. However, This has caused a 'Snowball' effect in the UK, with less and less emphasis on Policy adherence. For instance, it is now impossible to make a policy complaint in the UK, as there is no way to uphold it. It has also led to the spectre of 'Social nets', where you don't join a net because its your local net, and you are 'Policy compliant' i.e you observe ZMH. You Join a net, because you want to go on a certain NC's Midnight line, or you think the NC of your local net is a Wanker, or some other premise, i.e your best buddies are in net X. Indeed, it has lead to situations where certain NC's will try to avoid taking a node because of their 'Persuasions' or 'Personality'. So much for the level playing field where anyone can join regardless of race, creed, sexual persuasion etc..... Without good reason that an NC take a compliant node within his area, they get cliquish & choosy about who can and can't play in their net i.e (message from REGION25) ******************************************************************* From: Phil Borman Msg Num: 1070 of 1244 To: Tony Reese Date: 11-14-93 17:21 Subj: Geo-nets FidoNews 10-47 Page: 8 21 Nov 1993 Attr: Read: N Conf: REGION 25 ******************************************************************* That's the clearest summary I've seen of the position so far. I'm not in my geographically closest net, as when I joined Fido I tried two nets near me who were not interested in allowing me access. One claimed they were 'full' and the other didn't respond to netmail. Geonetting is ideal for power-crazy hubs, but no use to the rest of us. Phil. ==================================================================== Full ! thats rich indeed. Another NC was heard to 'Cherish the ability to turn down' anyone who in his impression ran a silly system ! IMHO, selective entry into networks is not desirable. The only way to get a good and balanced mix is for people to be spread evenly across the networks, and Geonets provides this. Its not good for the future of Fidonet for people to become polarised within networks. What happens when all the Fascists go into one net; All the Catholics into another. The Reorganisation will smash down these barriers of 'Selectivity' that have built up. There will be howls of protest at this you can be assured but its TRUE !. Hows this then. This was a Jibe at an NC (Ex RC25) who the original writer perceived would not allow access to his net, because the writer (MP) is ZC of screwnet, and the NC is perceived to be a Bible basher. get the lowdown on the prejudices being formed by social nets! ******************************************************************** From: Keith Wassell Msg Num: 6761 of 8254 To: Paul Dickie Date: 15 Nov 93 20:18 Subj: "THE PLAN" Attr: Read: N Conf: V - Fidonet: Region 25 Sysops ******************************************************************** Hello Paul! Thursday November 11 1993 01:35, Paul Dickie wrote to Michael Pereira: PD> Greetings! MP>> BTW I'm moving to Reading in December for a period of 10 months. MP>> I'll naturally need a nodenumber... :) PD> But how will you cope with the Net uniform? Won't the open-toed PD> sandals be a tad cold in winter? ;') FidoNews 10-47 Page: 9 21 Nov 1993 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hopefully, with 'Geonets' and 'Conforming' sandals in Reading will be out ! Regards, Keith ==================================================================== Its Ridiculous !..... Pathetic in fact. I have also, in the past when I have been a hub, been accused of 'Poaching nodes' from another net. Hows that for 'Empire Building' Fidonet, as has often been said is a free communications medium. Its structure is defined by Policy, and as thus we should observe that structure. I think many have missed the point that Geonets prevent the Wierdos, Religious Fanatics, and Perverts from congregating in one place. Agreed, they can do, but have had to start their own FTN's to do it, i.e Screwnet , FamilyNet , AdultNet etc........ And, for the record, My personal feelings are that the fact TJ owns the copyright to the name fidonet matters not in my opinion. So, don't believe all you read in the pathetic handwringings in this medium, about all democracy and right to choose being stifled. There will be elections for NC's and RC again within region 25 . Its just there are a few wrongs to be sorted, and Geonets is a means to that end. *********************************************************** And to the method of the application of Geonets, this has caused the biggest upset of all. In April/May last year ZC2 was 'Making Noises' about non overlapping nets. I suppose its time to make an admission here, at that time RC25 had no desire to Geo-net the UK. Some NC's in the UK had long said that we should observe policy, at the time I was not one of them, nor was I at the time an NC. However, with the constant hints from ZC2 that was the way he wanted to go, and with no guarantee that he would not decree geonets, to my mind this produced an atmosphere of instability. We have not really had an atmosphere of stability in the UK since Peter Franchi was RC25. Within the light of the abuses highlighted above, ( and here is the REAL admission 8-) ) I came up with a proposal, loosely based around the areas in the names of the networks. It was not exceptional but it wasn't bad !. I showed it to RC25, who liked what he saw. It proposed 4 new networks, and drawing up of boundaries mainly round county lines. We obtained the dial code plan for the UK, and put these into the networks based on the plan above. This was adopted as the framework for the current layout. Some people were delighted, others were non committal, others said No FidoNews 10-47 Page: 10 21 Nov 1993 way, and some were just downright rude !. With the help of those in the UK with a constructive attitude it has been reshaped into the geonets we now have, which also have the blessing and backing of ZC2. Another new net has been formed in the process. These proposals went public in June. Since then we have had nothing but strife, with accusations of 'Power Trips' etc, resulting in a slow and gradual breakdown in the day to day life of UK fido and culminating in the unpleasant spectacle of RC25 reduced to the level of telling certain people to 'Fuck off' in public echomail. This, it must be pointed out, occurred after there was an election in NET 258, where it had been pointed out that if a candidate outside the NET258 Geo-catchment area won the election he would not be appointed NC. In the event that is what happened. There has also been 'Open warfare' between the Geo's and Anti Geo's within echomail conferences. We have seen the spectacle of NC's fighting over 'Real Estate' in the process. Finally, we came to a point where the Anti-Geo people said that they would compromise along the lines of Natural wastage, i.e New nodes strictly Geo, but existing nodes don't have to move. The problem with this was the 60+ nodes in the new networks that had already moved, and the equivalent amount that had already moved to fit in with the proposals. There was no way they could be made to feel they had done what they did for no good reason. So in the end RC25 has acted, along similar lines to the now replaced RC24, and Implemented the total solution. The effect has been that those unable to accept the requirements of policy and prefer cliqueynets have split to form Fido Classic in Region 25. I wish them well. There is no moral or end to this story. Events are still unfolding but, there you have some background from the other side of the fence. As by time this gets out it will be nearly Xmas, A good one to you all and your families, and lets hope next year will be better all round. Regards Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- My reply to David Cupp's article Self-Appointed Censors by John Clifton 1:153/6.4 FLAME Moderator "I know there is someone, somewhere reading this FidoNews 10-47 Page: 11 21 Nov 1993 that thinks I'm just out to cause trouble. If you asked someone who knows me, you'll find that just isn't my way.. David Cupp" On the contrary, I submit this is precisely what David intended with his recent FidoNews diatribe. His piece is a thinly disguised attack on the limited freedom of expression allowed on FLAME as a result of quite legitimate concerns expressed by the Southern and Western Stars last Spring. Both Stars had legal advice that they could be prosecuted for distributing obscene material. In response to their fears, FLAME was *immediately* brought into line. David, however, objects to posts that might not be appropriate reading for a 10-year-old. This goes far beyond removing obscene messages. His approach is to turn FidoNet into a cyberspace Family Channel. David wrote: "With the language used on Flame, I believe this echo should be available only to consenting adults with proof of age. I know that if I came home from work, turned on the computer and discovered that my child had been accessing this kind of echo without my consent, someone could soon be in court." Who would he sue? His babysitter? His wife? And perhaps more to the point, his Sysop? He would fail in any event because the content in FLAME isn't obscene and is, consequently, protected speech. What of his responsibility as a parent to monitor the activities and behavior of his children? Participants in FEMINISM, for example, often have frank exchanges on sexual relations. Does he object to that, too? Where should FidoNet draw the line? I submit that it is at that point where content becomes legally obscene. David can take the time to watch his kids. John Clifton 1:153/6.4 FLAME Moderator ---------------------------------------------------------------------- New Network in Town by Jeff Hyle Changed by Derek Cosby New Network in Town Join One Of The Fastest Growing Networks Of The 90's METALNET! MetalNet Zone 75 Based In Reno, Nevada Is Currently Looking For Region FidoNews 10-47 Page: 12 21 Nov 1993 Coordinators, Hosts, Hub And Nodes Across The Globe!!!! No Individual Will Be Refused! For More Information Please FREQ MTLN From The Following Network Addresses: Fido 1:3647/3 Here Is A Listing Of Conferences Currently Offered! 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MN_RIP RIP Graphics MN_COUNTRY Country Music MN_RPG Role Playing Games MN_D&D Dungeons & Dragons MN_SCARDS Sports Cards MN_DEATH Death Metal MN_STECH Software Tech Support MN_DEBATE Heated Debates MN_SPEED Speed Metal MN_DOORS Door Games (General) MN_SPITFIRE Spitfire BBS MN_DRDOS DR Dos MN_SYSOP Metal Net Sysops MN_ENETS Echomail Networks MN_TEEN Teen Talk (19-) MN_FFL Fantasy Football Leagues MN_TOP40 Top 40 Music MN_HMETAL Heavy Metal MN_TW2002 Trade Wars 2002 MN_HSM High Speed Modems MN_UNIX Unix/Internet Discussion MN_HTECH Hardware Tech Support MN_VIRTUAL Virtual Reality MN_INDUST Industrial Rock MN_WEAPONS Weapons & Gun Control MN_LOD Land Of Devastation MN_WILD Wildcat BBS MN_LORD Legend Of The Red Dragon MN_WINDOWS Microsoft Windows & NT MN_MAILER Mailers & Tossers Support MN_WRITERS Authors & Writers This Network Has Just Started As Of September 1993. Inter-BBS Barren Realms Elite Is Offered To Any Member Wishing Its Involvement. If You Have Any Questions, Please Netmail Or Reply To This Advertisement... Thank You! Derek Cosby SC Hub FidoNews 10-47 Page: 13 21 Nov 1993 TAPE Echomail conference now online by George Dahlco, 1:102/138.0 A new Echomail area has been created with the tagname of TAPE. TAPE is dedicated to discussions of all PC related tape backup hardware and software, including, but not limited to, DC-2xxx and DC-6xxx backup products, 4MM and 8MM SCSI tape drives, streaming 1/4" tape and large cartridge tape. Of particular interest would be contributions from participants regarding new backup software, backup strategies and new tape technologies. If you would like to participate and learn more about this new echo, please contact me at 1:102/138 and we can arrange a feed. TAPE is small now but will likely grow to "backbone size" within a few months. We need your participation! George Dahlco, 1:102/138.0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MooseChat: Canada's Noblest Chat Echo! Paul J. Henry, 1:221/279@fidonet Greetings fellow Moose Lovers, What is MooseChat? Well, it's the international chat echo for MooseNet. What's MooseNet? Well, MooseNet is the FTN network dedicated to Nature's Noblest creature, the Moose! MooseNet isn't very large (yet!), so we use FidoNet to transfer the mail. If you've got a Fi-Doe address, you can have a MooseChat Feed! What will I find in MooseChat? If it has anything to do with the Moose, Meese, Canadian humour, Canada, the Canadian Outback, or anything like that, then it belongs in MooseChat. Oh, and if you just feel like being silly, you can do that too! Rumour has it that the likes of Saddam Hussein, and George Bush (remember him?) frequent the echo. And just in case you're tempted to bash a moose, remember that The Bit Police are always watching. So, if you're a Bob & Doug fan, an Ordinary Canadian, or an American that knows how to spell colour with a 'u', MooseChat is for you! Said John Komooski: JK>> I do enjoy MooseChat. It's every bit as light and fluffy as JK>> Z1_ELECTION, yet with a healthy dose of ludicrous tossed in that JK>> makes you lick your lips and go to the fridge for more. Said MooseWeek: FidoNews 10-47 Page: 14 21 Nov 1993 'Our antlers were a'buzz with the excitment!' Said BullWinkle J. Moose: 'Hey Rocky! Watch me pull an echofeed outa my hat!' Don't hesitate! Drop into your local carrier of MooseChat, and have a brew on us. Feeds and policy documents may be obtained from: Paul Henry, 1:221/279.0. Bill Cassidy, 1:249/1.0. Jim Whitelaw, 1:342/42.0. May the Great Moose be with you. -= * =- MooseNet, MooseChat, and "Antlers pointing across the Globe!", are trademarks of Dave "Snuggleb*nnies" Slonosky & "Wild" Bill Cassidy. Copyright(c) 1990. 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AS IS FIDONET, ICEA ECHO IS FREELY AVAILABLE. | | | | ICEA Echo is now available to interested sysops simply who wish to | | poll for it and it is hoped to have ICEA on the backbone within | | the next six months. An ICEA membership information pakage file | | is available for FREQ at 1:252/120 with the magic name ICEA | | should you wish to learn a bit more about ICEA before arranging | | to carry the echo. If you do, it is hoped you will also re-post | | this file for your users, but this posting is not necessary. | | | | To arrange a session password, contact me by Netmail at 1:252/120 | | and I will respond via DIRECT netmail with your session password. | | You will be polling for the echo at 1:252/100, a Hub in the | | Georgian Bay Net, located in Barrie, Ontario. | FidoNews 10-47 Page: 15 21 Nov 1993 | | |Your interest and support is most appreciated. 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