Volume 6, Number 46 13 November 1989 +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | _ | | / \ | | /|oo \ | | - FidoNews - (_| /_) | | _`@/_ \ _ | | International | | \ \\ | | FidoNet Association | (*) | \ )) | | Newsletter ______ |__U__| / \// | | / FIDO \ _//|| _\ / | | (________) (_/(_|(____/ | | (jm) | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Editor in Chief: Vince Perriello Editors Emeritii: Dale Lovell Thom Henderson Chief Procrastinator Emeritus: Tom Jennings FidoNews is published weekly by the International FidoNet Association as its official newsletter. You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in FidoNews. Article submission standards are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC, available from node 1:1/1. 1:1/1 is a Continuous Mail system, available for network mail 24 hours a day. Copyright 1989 by the International FidoNet Association. All rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances, please contact IFNA at (314) 576-4067. IFNA may also be contacted at PO Box 41143, St. Louis, MO 63141. Fido and FidoNet are registered trademarks of Tom Jennings of Fido Software, 164 Shipley Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94107 and are used with permission. We don't necessarily agree with the contents of every article published here. Most of these materials are unsolicited. No article submitted by a FidoNet SysOp will be rejected if it is properly attributed and legally acceptable. We will publish every responsible submission received. Table of Contents 1. ARTICLES ................................................. 1 And then there was.....GONG .............................. 1 HIGH_ED Echo Conference (Update) ......................... 5 2. LATEST VERSIONS .......................................... 8 Latest Software Versions ................................. 8 3. NOTICES .................................................. 11 The Interrupt Stack ...................................... 11 FidoNews 6-46 Page 1 13 Nov 1989 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= And then there was.....GONG Bob Moravsik 1:269/107 I want to start out by encouraging all the voters to vote NO in the IFNA non-binding referendum. Why ? Why give DEATHNET any encouragement? In FIDONEWS 6-45 the "proposed" BYLAWS and "policies" were first shown. While reading them I noticed a loud noise every few pages similar to the noise we all hear when we watch "Current Events". I thought I'd share my "gongs" with you. Where and when will meetings be held ? GONG! Wherever and whenever the BOD wants them! Who votes? GONG! The holders of these three year proxies, whoever they are, they reappear in Article III Section 4 as the "holders of a majority of all membership votes" !!!!! Is the membership list available ? GONG! Only for 10 days before the meeting, then tough! Can members call special meeting ? GONG! Yes, but it takes 10%, Missouri Law lets this go to as low as 50 Are voting results published ? GONG! Nope, they still stay hidden! This is one of the biggest problems with the DEATHNET group. SECRECY! FidoNews 6-46 Page 2 13 Nov 1989 Do you get notice of meetings? GONG! Yep, as short as ten days, then the "vote holder" of the proxies, swoops in and declares a "mandate". Beginning to see a pattern, HUH !!!!! Why six directors ? GONG! Suspect the CHAIRPERSON will vote and he/she doesn't have to even be a member !!!. More patterns, HUH !!! Article III Section 4.. Who is the "holder of a majority of all membership votes"? GONG! Let's refer to them as THE DICTATOR. And you thought this was DEMOCRATIC ????? Ya learned huh ! OK How many Directors are there? GONG! As many as the BOD wants (Section III.5.) Fooled ya! Must the CHAIRPERSON be a member? GONG! Nope, note the existing Chair is not even a SYSOP! Did YOU elect this CHAIRPERSON ? GONG! Nope. Is there an "Independent Judiciary" ? GONG! Nope. The independant judiciary is hiding right next to the FIDOCON 89 vote counts !!! FidoNews 6-46 Page 3 13 Nov 1989 Are the BYLAWS for real ? GONG! Nope, Read Article XI, they can be changed at will !!!!!. FOOLED YA, HUH? It's like reading instructions then the last instructions says "ignore what you just read !!!!" What's a "Local organization", Article XII sec 1? GONG! Whatever it is, you can be sure it will conflict with the national organization. At last we found the ray of revolution. DEATHNET is a "local organization" and we see what it can do. Is this the "seed" for an Zone x organization ?????. Wonder how this NEW provision is related to the YPOP proposal GONG GONG on this! POLICY 5 Now the policy...well what is this "Supplement" ? GONG! It's the way that DEATHNET can keep the nodes in line. Real DEMOCRATIC !!! Does a node have to adhere to policy? GONG! Nope, except for the techie stuff, see Art IV they must know their A B C's. Is it POLICY 3 or POLICY 4 ? GONG! GONG! GONG! Note Section VI, paragraph 2. if policy 5 is not ratified then it is not in effect BUT it "somehow" rises from the ashes and raises back Policy 3 ????, 3 guesses who likes this provision!!! As to being related to reality !!! SUMMARY These documents are about as DEMOCRATIC as CUBA's Constitution. ALL THE POWER is in the hands of the BOD. BYLAWS once passed should not be easy to change. Proxies should expire after the meeting they were given for. Meetings of an International Organization should have more then 10 days notice. Policies on a local level should NEVER conflict with International Policies. AND ABOVE ALL, THIS ENTIRE PROCEDURE SHOULD NOT BE USED AS A MASK TO REINSTATE POLICY 3. FidoNews 6-46 Page 4 13 Nov 1989 And for the REAL kicker, don't you find it TRULY AMAZING that the Chairman of the International Fidonet Association, the organization that wants to rewrite and establish the RULES and REGULATIONS for Fidonet, IS NOT A MEMBER OF FIDONET. Try playing the latest craze in Parlor Games, "Find Henderson in the Nodelist"! It's like Gorbachev saying he wants to rewrite the US Constitution. I STRONGLY urge you to vote NO and keep the status quo. Reject the recent BYLAW changes and write them off as the work of ARROGANTS who must be shown that the SYSOPS will not be fooled by this stuff. You have a node number, a set of rules, and a worldwide network to belong to. It works. Don't be fooled into "fixing" it. Let's work on changing Policy 4, or implementing a new policy. Let's have what happens to Fidonet be the result of the PEOPLE in it, not the doings on an mis- directed group that thrives on power and control. Sure, IFNA can revolutionize Fidonet. But remember, Castro revolutionized Cuba. And now they can't get rid of him. Bob Moravsik 1:269/107 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-46 Page 5 13 Nov 1989 HIGH_ED Echo Conference (Update) Now available from your NEC/REC by way of the "Backbone." The HIGH_ED conference is proving to be one of the fastest growing new echo's in the country. As such, it is now available on the "backbone." Alternate routes are available for those who are unable to get the echo through their NEC due to compatibility problems (specifically Mac systems who are having trouble communicating with some of the non-Mac systems). *********************************** HIGH_ED Echo Conference *********************************** This echo is being developed for the primary purpose of providing Students, Staff and Faculty of "Higher Educational" facilities across the nation a forum for the discussion of subjects related to Higher Education. Although the intent of this echo is to service the needs of Students, Staff and Faculty, everyone is welcome to participate in or initiate discussions related to Higher Education. For example, a person might wish to ask a question about a particular institution that he/she is thinking about enrolling at in the future. The subject matter is wide open so it will be up to the participants to keep the ball rolling on this echo. The only restrictions that presently apply to the use of this echo are: The language used must be clean and the discussions legal. FOR THE RECORD: The "HIGH_ED" Conference echo is presently being carried by the following nodes: 11/301 107/240 108/111 138/116 157/520 233/5 233/6 233/8 233/12 233/13 233/15 233/69 237/500 237/505 282/22 282/32 288/528 290/628 301/4 320/450 Higher Educational Communities presently being served: Adelphi University, Garden City, New York Anoka-Ramsey Community College, Coon Rapids, Minn. Augsburg College, Minneapolis, Minn. Bethel College, Arden Hills, Minn. Carlelton College, Northfield, Minn. College of St. Catherine, St. Paul, Minn. Concordia College, St. Paul, Minn. Danville Area Community College, Danville, Illinois FidoNews 6-46 Page 6 13 Nov 1989 Des Moines Area Community College, Des Moines, Iowa Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa Eastern Connecticut State University, Davidson, Conn. Eastern Illinois University, Charleston, Illinois Eastern Kentucky University, Richmond, Kentucky Grandview College, Des Moines, Iowa Hamline University, St. Paul, Minn. Iowa State (Field Classrooms), Des Moines, Iowa Inver Hills Community College, Inver Grove Heights, Minn. Macalester College, St. Paul, Minn. Minneapolis College of Art & Design, Minneapolis, Minn. Murray State University, Murray, Kentucky Normandale Community College, Bloomington, Minn. Parkland College, Champaign, Illinois Pierce Community College, Tacoma, Washington Qunibaug Valley Community College, Davidson, Conn. Southern Illinois University, Carbondale, Illinois St. Olaf College, Northfield, Minn. University of Akron, Akron, Ohio University of Connecticut, Connecticut University of Illinois, Champaign/Urbana, Illinois University of Minnesota, Minneapolis-St.Paul, Minn. University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Mexico William Mitchell College, St. Paul, Minn. Youngstown State University, Youngstown, Ohio ******************* HIGH_ED is accessible to the non-bbs educational community through an Internet (BITNET, USENET, CSNET, ARPANET, MILNET, etc) mailing list. Internet users may subscribe to this echo by sending a request to: highed@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu ******************* ATTENTION SYSOPS: Any Sysops wishing to carry this echo are encouraged to contact your NEC. Any Sysops now carrying the echo and not listed above, are encouraged to post a note on the echo telling me to add you to the list. If for some reason you are not able to get HIGH_ED from your NEC, you are welcome to contact me directly to make other arrangements. SPECIAL THANKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thanks to the following for the help they have provided in making this one of the fastest growing echos: FidoNews 6-46 Page 7 13 Nov 1989 Mike Harrell, 288/528 Tony Austinson, 282/22 Michael Pester, 290/628 Joseph Emmanuel, 301/4 Jerry Syriac, 320/450 Terry Clabaugh, 233/6 HIGH_ED Echo Moderator ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-46 Page 8 13 Nov 1989 ================================================================= LATEST VERSIONS ================================================================= Latest Software Versions MS-DOS Systems -------------- Bulletin Board Software Name Version Name Version Name Version Fido 12q+* Phoenix 1.3 TBBS 2.1 Lynx 1.30 QuickBBS 2.04 TComm/TCommNet 3.4 Kitten 2.16* RBBS 17.2B* TPBoard 5.2 Opus 1.03b+ RBBSmail 17.2* Wildcat! 2.00P Network Node List Other Mailers Version Utilities Version Utilities Version BinkleyTerm 2.30 EditNL 4.00 ARC 6.02 D'Bridge 1.21 MakeNL 2.20 ARCA05 2.01* Dutchie 2.90C ParseList 1.30 ARCmail 2.0 FrontDoor 2.0 Prune 1.40 ConfMail 4.00 PRENM 1.47 SysNL 2.65* EMM 2.02 SEAdog 4.51b XlatList 2.90 GROUP 2.16 XlaxDiff 2.32 GUS 1.20M* XlaxNode 2.32 LHARC 1.13 MSG 4.0* MSGED 1.99 PK[UN]ZIP 1.01 QM 1.0 QSORT 4.03 StarLink 1.01* TCOMMail 2.2 TMail 1.12* TPBNetEd 3.2 UFGATE 1.03 XRS 3.0 ZmailQ 1.09 Macintosh --------- Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities Name Version Name Version Name Version Red Ryder Host v2.1b3 Macpoint 0.91* MacArc 0.04 Mansion 7.12 Tabby 2.1 ArcMac 1.3 WWIV (Mac) 3.0 StuffIt 1.51 FidoNews 6-46 Page 9 13 Nov 1989 TImport 1.331 TExport 1.32 Timestamp 1.6 Tset 1.3 Timestart 1.1 Tally 1.1 Mehitabel 1.2 Archie 1.60 Jennifer 0.25b2g Numberizer 1.5c MessageEdit 1.0 Mantissa 1.0 PreStamp 2.01 R.PreStamp 2.01 Saphire 2.1t Epistle II 1.01 Import 2.52 Export 2.54 Sundial 2.1 AreaFix 1.1 Probe 0.052 Terminator 1.1 TMM 4.0b UNZIP 1.01* Amiga ----- Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities Name Version Name Version Name Version Paragon 1.00+* BinkleyTerm 1.00 AmigArc 0.23 TrapDoor 1.11* booz 1.01 WelMat 0.21* ConfMail 1.10* ChameleonEdit 0.10 Lharc 0.50 ParseLst 1.30 PkAX 1.00 Pktfix 1.01* RMB 1.30 UNzip 0.86 Zoo 2.00 Atari ST -------- Bulletin Board Software Network Mailer Other Utilities Name Version Name Version Name Version FidoNews 6-46 Page 10 13 Nov 1989 FIDO/FoReM Door 1.1* BinkleyTerm 1.03g ConfMail 1.00 Pandora BBS 2.41c* The BOX 1.10* ParseList 1.30 QuickBBS/ST 0.40* ARC 5.21 GS Point 0.61 TurboArc 1.1 LHARC 0.40 PKUNZIP 1.00 MSGED 1.96S SRENUM 6.2 OMMM 1.40* Timestop 1.00 + Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software) * Recently changed Utility authors: Please help keep this list up to date by reporting new versions to 1:1/1. It is not our intent to list all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-46 Page 11 13 Nov 1989 ================================================================= NOTICES ================================================================= The Interrupt Stack 17 Nov 1989 George Stanislav becomes a United States citizen 23 Nov 1989 26th Anniversary of "Dr. Who" - and still going strong 1 Dec 1989 Close of local balloting in IFNA plebiscite 4 Dec 1989 Local coordinators post final IFNA vote details 11 Dec 1989 Deadline for local IFNA vote tally challenges 15 Dec 1989 Network Coordinators report votes in IFNA plebiscite to Regional Coordinators 18 Dec 1989 Regional Coordinators report votes in IFNA plebiscite to Zone Coordinators 22 Dec 1989 IFNA plebiscite results posted in NODELIST.356 30 Dec 1989 Telephone area codes (5, 3 and 0) are abolished in Hong Kong 1 Feb 1990 Deadline for IFNA Policy and Bylaws election 5 Jun 1990 David Dodell's 33rd Birthday 5 Oct 1990 21st Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus" If you have something which you would like to see on this calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-46 Page 12 13 Nov 1989 OFFICERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION Thom Henderson 1:107/528 Chairman of the Board Les Kooyman 1:204/501 President Fabian Gordon 1:107/323 Vice President Bill Bolton 3:3/0 Vice President-Technical Coordinator Kris Veitch 1:147/30 Secretary Kris Veitch 1:147/30 Treasurer IFNA COMMITTEE AND BOARD CHAIRS Administration and Finance * By-laws and Rules John Roberts 1:385/49 Executive Committee (Pres) Les Kooyman 1:204/501 International Affairs * Membership Services Jim Vaughan 1:226/300 Nominations and Elections Steve Bonine 1:1/0 Public Affairs David Drexler 1:147/30.20 Publications Irene Henderson 1:107/9 Technical Standards Rick Moore 1:115/333 Ethics * Security and Privacy * Grievances * * Position in abeyance pending reorganization IFNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS DIVISION AT-LARGE 10 Courtney Harris 1:102/732 Don Daniels 1:107/210 11 John Rafuse 1:12/700 Phil Buonomo 1:107/583 12 Bill Bolton 3:711/403 Mark Hawthorne 1:107/238 13 Fabian Gordon 1:107/323 Tom Jennings 1:125/111 14 Ken Kaplan 1:100/22 Irene Henderson 1:107/509 15 Kevin McNeil 1:128/45 Steve Jordan 1:206/2871 16 Ivan Schaffel 1:141/390 Robert Rudolph 1:261/628 17 Kathi Crockett 1:134/30 Dave Melnik 1:107/233 18 Andrew Adler 1:135/47 Jim Hruby 1:107/536 19 Kris Veitch 1:147/30 Burt Juda 1:107/528 2 Henk Wevers 2:500/1 Karl Schinke 1:107/516 3 Matt Whelan 3:54/99 John Roberts 1:147/14 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 6-46 Page 13 13 Nov 1989 __ The World's First / \ BBS Network /|oo \ * FidoNet * (_| /_) _`@/_ \ _ | | \ \\ | (*) | \ )) ______ |__U__| / \// / Fido \ _//|| _\ / (________) (_/(_|(____/ (tm) Membership for the International FidoNet Association Membership in IFNA is open to any individual or organization that pays a specified annual membership fee. 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Your participation will help to insure the future of FidoNet. Please NOTE that IFNA is a general not-for-profit organization and Articles of Association and By-Laws were adopted by the membership in January 1987. The second elected Board of Directors was filled in August 1988. The IFNA Echomail Conference has been established on FidoNet to assist the Board. We welcome your input to this Conference. FidoNews 6-46 Page 14 13 Nov 1989 -----------------------------------------------------------------