The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 37 16 Sep 2002 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are | | | FidoNet community. | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings| | | | | San Francisco, California, USA | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Crash netmail articles to: | | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-944907) | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | Routed netmail articles to: | | \_______\(_| /_) | Bjorn Felten @ 2:203/0 | | _ @/_ \ _ | Email attach to: | | | | \ \\ | bfelten@telia.com | | | (*) | \ ))| | | |__U__| / \// | Editor: Bj”rn Felten | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally. Table of Contents 1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1 2. INSIDE ................................................... 2 The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 2 3. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 3 RESURRECT NET 231? HOW ABOUT REGION 11? .................. 3 What _does_ "Policy" say about Echomail? ................. 4 2002 Off Centre Rally - The Big U ........................ 9 4. OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER .......................... 10 Fido's English ........................................... 10 5. QUESTION OF THE WEEK ..................................... 12 An effective method for enforcing echomail content sani .. 12 6. FRANK'S COLUMN - FRANK VEST .............................. 13 Getting Article Submissions .............................. 13 7. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN .......................... 15 Skillet Slaw for 2 ....................................... 15 8. CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES ..................................... 16 Out of the Mouths of Babes ............................... 16 Men are like ............................................. 18 9. BEST OF FIDONET .......................................... 19 Languages again .......................................... 19 Love, Law, and Science ................................... 23 10. BEN RITCHEY'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING .................. 24 FIDONet Software References .............................. 24 11. FIDONET BY INTERNET ..................................... 29 Fidonet-related Sites .................................... 29 12. SPECIAL INTEREST ........................................ 34 Nodelist Stats ........................................... 34 13. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 36 How to Submit an Article ................................. 36 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 38 FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 1 16 Sep 2002 ================================================================= FOOD FOR THOUGHT ================================================================= "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -- P.J. O'Rourke (1993) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 2 16 Sep 2002 ================================================================= INSIDE ================================================================= The Fidonews at a Glance First out this week, is an article from former fidonet sysop Bruce Bowman about his experiences from once again setting up a fido node, in "RESURRECT NET 231? HOW ABOUT REGION 11?". Then we have the travel report from Australia, that was promised last week, submitted by David Drummond, but, as I understand it, written by his partner and ghostwriter. "2002 Off Centre Rally - The Big U", day one. In "What _does_ "Policy" say about Echomail?", Matt Mc_Carthy takes up a popular question, that often seems to be misinterpreted in many different ways. Another article about echomail, "An effective method for enforcing echomail..." by Lawrence Garwin, can be found in the section The Question of the Week. Frank Vest has some suggestions about a new piece of software, that could make contributions to the Snooze easier. This in "Getting Article Submissions". Unfortunately I think the idea is ten years too late, but maybe a template for Window's Word could do the trick? Warren Bonner, in his column, writes some about English in general and "Fido's English" in particular. After this we move on to the kitchen, where Carol is making "Skillet Slaw for 2". To our veggies, the dish may be served without the bacon. The jokes section has a bunch of kiddies jokes from Warren, in "Out of the Mouths of Babes". Then there's "Men are like...", a contribution that doesn't necessary reflect the opinion of the editor. In the new section Best of Fidonet, I have two snippets from the European sysop echo, ENET.SYSOP. The first is about "Languages again", where Petko Bossakov has collected some really funny signs, found in various countries that don't have English as the primary language. Somewhat of a continuation from Warren's column. Another clip from ENET.SYSOP, "Love, Law, and Science", posted by Sean Rima, is about possible merits of a mistress. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 3 16 Sep 2002 ================================================================= GENERAL ARTICLES ================================================================= RESURRECT NET 231? HOW ABOUT REGION 11? Bruce Bowman (late of 1:231/710) I've been gone from FidoNet for a little over SIX YEARS. A month or so ago, I had a bolt of nolstalgia, and decided I should use that phone line I have dedicated to Internet access to put the BBS back online. I loaded up an old 486 with the BBS (backed up years ago onto tape and subsequently transferred to CD-ROM). I got DESQview (yes, DESQview) running again. The modem is working, along with a TCP/IP connection to my other computer. But my Fido mail is six years old, and some of my software isn't Y2K compliant. Then I downloaded the nodelist. OUCH. Mostly telnet boards over the Internet now. And darn few of THEM. No one seems to be running dial-up mailers, or even a BBS (55% are mail-only). To top it off, there isn't a single FIDO board in central Indiana. So I have to ask...is it even worth it? How am I going to get echo feeds, much less regain the camaraderie I had with my old cohorts in Net 231? I'm sure I can set up an areafix of some sort with the REC and ftp my mail periodically, but to what end? I have no idea if anyone is posting, especially in Zone 1. The other nets I used to subscribe to (QBBSNet, PlayNet, DoorNet) are surely dead as a doornail. I suspect I'll be the only one calling my own board. All the DOS programmers have gone on to better things. The shareware concept, if not dead, apears to be seriously ill. In short, WHERE IS THE FUN IN FIDONET? Where do I go for advice, or even a kindred spirit? I kinda saw this coming, which was the reason I closed down the H.O.M.E. BBS (1:231/710) and opened up a web page. But I've never enjoyed the web nearly as much as I enjoyed having a bulletin board. So I need to hear that this is still a viable hobby, before I put any more work (or money) into it. Even better, if there's anyone out there in central Indiana who would like Net 231 to rise from the ashes, get in touch. Failing that, please direct me to information that will help me put this board on the Internet, using Linux and DOSEMU if necessary. I just want to recapture some of what we had in 1992, when there were over 20 thousand of us. If nothing else, it would be nice to hear from anyone in ol' Net 231, just to talk over old times. Bruce Bowman late of the H.O.M.E. BBS ikc1@juno.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 4 16 Sep 2002 What _does_ "Policy" say about Echomail? Matt Mc_Carthy, 1:396/45.17 For starters, there are exactly 24 instances of the word "echomail" in FidoNet Policy Document Version 4.07 (excluding five in the sorry example at the end of the document). All are listed below, in the complete paragraphs where the word is found. No attempt whatever was made to take any sentences out of context. What does this mean? My personal comments on each paragraph are inserted in "[...]" following each paragraph. "2.1.5 No Alteration of Routed Mail "You may not modify, other than as required for routing or other technical purposes, any message, netmail or echomail, passing through the system from one FidoNet node to another. If you are offended by the content of a message, the procedure described in section 2.1.7 must be used." [This paragraph is _certainly_ clear enough, and there is NO QUESTION it references AND applies to "Echomail".] "2.1.6.1 No Disclosure of in-transit mail "Disclosing or in any way using information contained in private netmail traffic not addressed to you or written by you is considered annoying behavior, unless the traffic has been released by the author or the recipient as a part of a formal policy complaint. This does not apply to echomail which is by definition a broadcast medium, and where private mail is often used to keep a sysop-only area restricted." [This paragraph is _certainly_ clear enough also, and there is NO QUESTION it references AND applies to "Echomail", however excluding it (naturally!)] "2.1.7 Not Routing Mail "You are not required to route traffic if you have not agreed to do so. You are not obligated to route traffic for all if you route it for any, unless you hold a Network Coordinator or Hub Coordinator position. Routing traffic through a node not obligated to perform routing without the permission of that node may be annoying behavior. This includes unsolicited echomail." [Again, this paragraph is _certainly_ clear enough also, and there is NO QUESTION it both references AND applies to "Echomail".] "2.1.8 Exclusivity of Zone Mail Hour FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 5 16 Sep 2002 "Zone Mail Hour is the heart of FidoNet, as this is when network mail is passed between systems. Any system which wishes to be a part of FidoNet must be able to receive mail during this time using the protocol defined in the current FidoNet Technical Standards Committee publication (FTS-0001 at this writing). It is permissible to have greater capability (for example, to support additional protocols or extended mail hours), but the minimum requirement is FTS-0001 capability during this one hour of the day. "This time is exclusively reserved for netmail. Many phone systems charge on a per-call basis, regardless of whether a connect, no connect, or busy signal is encountered. For this reason, any activity other than normal network mail processing that ties up a system during ZMH is considered annoying behavior. Echomail should not be transferred during ZMH. User (BBS) access to a system is prohibited during ZMH." [This paragraph is _certainly_ clear enough also, and there is NO QUESTION it both references AND applies to "Echomail".] "2.1.9 Private Nodes "The rare exception to ZMH compliance is private nodes. Persons requesting private nodes should be supported as points if possible. A private listing is justified when the system must interface with many others, such as an echomail distributor. In these cases, the exact manner and timing of mail delivery is arranged between the private node and other systems. Such an agreement between a private system and a hub is not binding on any replacement for that hub. A private node must be a part of a network (they cannot be independents in the region.)" [That paragraph is _certainly_ clear enough also, and there is NO QUESTION it both references AND applies to "Echomail".] "2.1.12 Excommunication "A system which has been dropped from the network is said to be excommunicated (i.e. denied communication). If you find that you have been excommunicated without warning, your coordinator was unable to contact you. You should rectify the problem and contact your coordinator. "Systems may also be dropped from the nodelist for cause. See section 9, and sections 4.3 and 5.2. "It is considered annoying behavior to assist a system which was excommunicated in circumventing that removal from the nodelist. For example, if you decide to provide an echomail feed to your friend who has been excommunicated, it is likely that your listing will also be removed." [That paragraph is _certainly_ clear enough also, and there is NO QUESTION it both references AND applies to "Echomail".] FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 6 16 Sep 2002 "3.4 Minimize the Number of Hats Worn "Coordinators are encouraged to limit the number of FidoNet functions they perform. A coordinator who holds two different positions compromises the appeal process. For example, if the Network Coordinator is also the Regional Coordinator, sysops in that network are denied one level of appeal. "Coordinators are discouraged from acting as echomail and software-distri- bution hubs. If they do so, they should handle echomail (or other volume distribution) on a system other than the administrative system. A coordinator's system should be readily available to the levels immediately above and below. "Another reason to discourage multiple hats is the difficulty of replacing services if someone leaves the network. For example, if a coordinator is the echomail hub and the software-distribution hub, those services will be difficult to restore when that person resigns." [That paragraph is _certainly_ clear enough also, and there is NO QUESTION it both references AND applies to "Echomail".] "4.2 Routing Inbound Mail "It is your responsibility as Network Coordinator to coordinate the receipt and forwarding of host-routed inbound netmail for nodes in your network. The best way to accomplish this is left to your discretion. "If a node in your network is receiving large volumes of mail you can request that the sysop contact the systems which are sending this mail and request that they not host-route it. If the problem persists, you can request your Regional Coordinator to assign the node a number as an independent and drop the system from your network. "Occasionally a node will make a "bombing run" (sending one message to a great many nodes). If a node in another network is making bombing runs on your nodes and routing them through your inbound host, then you can complain to the network coordinator of the offending node. (If the node is an indepen- dent, complain to the regional coordinator.) Bombing runs are considered to be annoying. "Another source of routing overload is echomail. Echomail cannot be allowed to degrade the ability of FidoNet to handle normal message traffic. If a node in your network is routing large volumes of echomail, you can ask the sysop to either limit the amount of echomail or to stop routing echomail. "You are not required to forward encrypted, commercial, or illegal mail. However, you must follow the procedures described in section 2.1.7 if you do not forward the mail." [The fourth paragraph of this section is _LESS_ than clear, and is in fact outdated, but it is still in Policy. There is NO QUESTION though that it both references AND applies to "Echomail".] FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 7 16 Sep 2002 "9.9 Echomail "Echomail is an important and powerful force in FidoNet. For the purposes of Policy Disputes, echomail is simply a different flavor of netmail, and is therefore covered by Policy. By its nature, echomail places unique technical and social demands on the net over and above those covered by this version of Policy. In recognition of this, an echomail policy which extends (and does not contradict) general Policy, maintained by the Echomail Coordinators, and ratified by a process similar to that of this document, is recognized by the FidoNet Coordinators as a valid structure for dispute resolution on matters pertaining to echomail. At some future date the echomail policy document may be merged with this one." [This one is the "catch all" that is often cited by those believing that Policy 4.07 does NOT apply to "echomail". What does it REALLY say? Lets take it apart line-by-line and see: "Echomail is an important and powerful force in FidoNet." [Yep, no misunderstanding there at all!] "For the purposes of Policy Disputes, echomail is simply a different flavor of netmail, and is therefore covered by Policy." [This sentence says echomail _is_ covered, but restricts that coverage to: "For the purposes of Policy Disputes". Therefore, if there are _no_ "Policy Disputes", echomail is not covered. In a case where there _is_ a Policy Dispute, _then_ echomail "is simply a different flavor of netmail". "By its nature, echomail places unique technical and social demands on the net over and above those covered by this version of Policy." [This sentence, particularly the phrase "over and above those covered by this version of Policy", reinforces the intent of the writer(s) that echomail is _NOT_ covered. "In recognition of this, an echomail policy which extends (and does not contradict) general Policy, maintained by the Echomail Coordinators, and ratified by a process similar to that of this document, is recognized by the FidoNet Coordinators as a valid structure for dispute resolution on matters pertaining to echomail." [Here again the writer(s) acknowledge, by the phrase "an echomail policy which extends...", that Policy 4.07 alone is _not_ sufficient for echomail. "At some future date the echomail policy document may be merged with this one." [Once more, the writers acknowledge the need for _additional_ policy to cover echomail.] I have cited eight instances above, within policy, where the policy definitely makes reference to _and_ definitely applies to "echomail". However, in the final scene where the fat lady sings, paragraph 9.9, the writer(s) have _clearly_ indicated their intent that Policy 4.07 is _NOT_ adequate to cover echomail, with the sole exception of Policy Disputes. FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 8 16 Sep 2002 They have further left the door open for a policy covering echomail and have even stipulated the process "ratified by a process similar to that of this document" to accomplish such a document. Additionally, they have made provision for that "echomail policy" to be merged with Policy 4.07. In my not so humble opinion, the writers had no intent whatever to include echomail _in_ Policy 4.07. I can only hope that the drafters of the "proposed revision", now believed to be in circulation for review, have included language that clarifies this matter in simple terms, _either way_. All of FidoNet has spent way too many years arguing the 'fine points', and although arguing _is_ a form of communication, it is not the most desirable form. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 9 16 Sep 2002 2002 Off Centre Rally - The Big U Submitted by David Drummond, 3:640/305 Day 1 - Sunday 4 August (Brisbane to Bunya Mts) Hmm. So. The start of another Great Motorcycling Adventure. Feeling a bit "Ho Hum" about it, for some reason. For this trip, David was riding my BMW R100 GS PD (on its 5th Off Centre Rally) and I was on my BMW F650 GS Dakar (on its 2nd). The PD was packed with its tank bag, two 2 litre water containers slung over the tank, its two BMW panniers, three rolls strapped over the rear carrier and seat - 1 containing the vinyl ground sheet and Thermorests, one with the bivvy bag, sleeping bags, sheet and pillows, and one with the contoured fly that fits over the bikes when parked parallel 1.5 metres apart, so we could sleep between them. My bike had my two carrier bags slung across the front (where the tank would be on a normal bike) and a small old Army carry bag between them, a Gearsack Dirt Bike Bag (with drop side pouches) containing our food items, and an old small back pack strapped to the back of it. Left Brisbane by going over Mt Glorious, past Splityard Creek, over Wivenhoe Dam to Esk, where we had arranged to meet Rick Trenaman on his Yamaha 660 Tenere. Waited at the Bakery with some Vietnam Vets tour operators on Harleys. There is always someone to talk to, isn't there? Rick arrived about half an hour later and we tasted the delights of the bakery. As we were about to go, Murray Brown turned up and wished us well, feeling very envious, as his trip was unfortunately aborted at the last minute. My bike loved the Ravensborne road - despite the new knobbies, then we turned north, through Crows Nest to turn off at Haden. Followed the back roads to Quinalow Pub for lunch. It was an easy matter to follow the signs to Bunya Mountains. Not much dirt left on this road, though. The single lane road winding through the rainforest at the top was a lively ride in the early afternoon. We set up camp at Burtons Well where there is a spectacular view of Tarong Power Station far below. As the sun disappeared, so did the other people and all the warmth. We hoped to wind would die down, but it remained gusty all evening. We heated our pre-cooked stew with toasted Turkish Pide bread while the light held, stoked the coals from one of the barbeques and huddled around it hugging our Milos for a while. We decided it would be warmer in bed, so hit the sack at 6:30pm. Rick said he'd never been to bed so early (to sleep!), but it didn't stop him from snoring 10 minutes later! It took me a little longer to defrost, but I soon dropped off as well. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 10 16 Sep 2002 ================================================================= OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ================================================================= Fido's English By Warren Bonner wdbonner@pacbell.net Let's face it - English is Fido's language. Some folks in some zones have some trouble with it. Some folks in ALL zones have trouble with it. I do not believe that is the reason for most of the disagreements. In fact, many who use it as a second language, use it better than those folks who are raised on it. It is a little strange though, that it is mostly negative in nature when used as a second language. I thought I may look at it closer to see if there is a 'built in' reason for this phenomenon. In a little research these facts were found that may be a contributor to some folks inability to write a complementary statement about the English speaking pilgrims of North America... There is no egg in eggplant, nor ham in hamburger; neither apple in or pine in pineapple. English muffins weren't invented in England or French fries in France. Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are meat. We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes, we'll find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and that a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig. And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham? And if the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth beeth? One goose, 2 geese, so one moose or 2 meese? One index or 2 indice. Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend. If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it? An odd or an end? If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what other language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell? How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites? You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which an alarm goes off by going on. English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race, which, of course, is not a real 'race' at all. That more or less explains why the English language is so misunderstood and misused. It is a real enigma that we try to FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 11 16 Sep 2002 communicate with each other. It is no wonder that some folks of other than English speaking lands, have a problem communicating with us as we have a problem communicating with each other! How many times have you heard, 'What I meant was...?' That is why, when the stars are 'out', they are visible; but when the lights are out, they are invisible... Hopefully, this will help all of us to be more understanding of each other, and the use of Fido’s first language. Ol'wdb ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 12 16 Sep 2002 ================================================================= QUESTION OF THE WEEK ================================================================= An effective method for enforcing echomail content sanity By Lawrence Garvin, 1:106/6018 Back in the days when echomail was primarily a star-based distribution system, with a very, very few nodes at the top of the star, imposing, enforcing, and maintaining a feed cut was a very practical thing to do, and it worked quite well. The threat of an entire net being "cut off" produced a lot of leverage in the NET where a local caller, or sysop, had a limited number of nodes to dial into, without involving long distance calling. However, today, when echomail distribution has become a much flatter heirarchy, with multiple meshes across several dozen nodes "at the top", and the universal availability of hundreds of internet-accessible echomail BBS nodes, it's almost a practical impossibility to enforce a feed cut on a node. As a moderator, I can't even get an accurate and comprehensive list of nodes that provide echomail feeds -- How could I possibly expect to keep an undesirable person from posting in my echo. All of the above is entirely dependent upon the collective cooperative efforts of every sysop and echomail hub in the entire world -- but the first challenge is getting the word to EVERY sysop and echomail hub in the entire world, that a person's presence is not desired. Add to this complication that the only real identifiable mark of an undesirable poster is their nom de plume, which can be changed on a moment to moment basis -- albeit, doing so does tend to detract from their attention-getting efforts. Simply stated, feed cuts are no longer an effective method for dealing with chronic "problem children". Luckily, I have not yet had to deal with this potential scenario in any of my echos. However, I do have one that has the potential! The unanswered question is: What options exist for echomail distribution to overcome this current weakness in the sanity of our strangling hobby? Lawrence Garvin Moderator (BBSLAW, DUNE, TCPIP, UNIX) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 13 16 Sep 2002 ================================================================= FRANK'S COLUMN - FRANK VEST ================================================================= Getting Article Submissions By Frank Vest 1:124/6308.1 One of the problems that I, and most Fidonews Editors had/have is getting article submissions. In times past, the requirements for submitting articles was, in some ways, more difficult than today, however, the problem still remains. Many don't write articles for the Fidonews due to apathy and other reasons, but, I wonder how many don't write articles because it is simply "too much trouble to format the article to meet the technical requirements"? With this in mind, and as a suggestion to the current Fidonews Editor (since he is a programmer :), What would be the chances of writing a program for creating and editing articles for submission to the Fidonews. The vision I have would be to the effect: 1. Windows, OS/2 and Linux version would be nice. 2. Menu driven for an "all in one" feel. Menu items could be created to format the article title, author and such and then an editor that would word wrap properly and meet the requirements for submission. 3. Mouseable (of course :) (NOTE) the below would be neat "features" to have, but not critical. :) 4. Ability to "send" to a mailer's outbound with the proper address for the Fidonews Editor. This would be good for Nodes and Points since they would not have to create the article, export it to a text file then write a Netmail to the Editor and either attach or post the article to/in the message. 5. Ability to do the above for e-mail clients (Netscape, Outlook, and others) 6. Spell checker (this one might be critical :-) Yes, I realize this is a large order... still, I wonder if this might be of help in getting articles for the Fidonews. If so, it would be worth the effort? FWIW, I created a batch file for editing received articles when I was Fidonews Editor. I still use that batch file to write articles because it is easy to (R)un the editor to write the article, then (S)pell check the article and finally to (T)est the article for invalid character, lines that are too long and such all in one batch file. The FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 14 16 Sep 2002 problem is, each operation requires a separate program. The editor is "QEdit", the spell checker is "ShareSpell" and the tester is the actual "makenews" program that is used to create the Fidonews to begin with. All of this could be in one program and might help get some article submissions. Thoughts?? ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 15 16 Sep 2002 ================================================================= FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN ================================================================= Skillet Slaw for 2 Yield: 3 Servings 1 sl Bacon 2 tb Onion, fine chopped 1 tb Vinigar 1 tb Water 1 1/2 ts Sugar 1/4 ts Salt ds Black pepper 2 c Cabbage, finely shredded 1 sm Apple, peeled and chopped 1/4 c Sour cream Cook the bacon strip until crisp, and save the bacon drippings. Remove finished bacon and add the onions, cooking for about 2 mins. Now add the vinegar, salt, water, pepper, sugar and bring to a boil. Add the slaw and apples and toss to coat. Cook until the cabbage wilts (about 6 mins). Stir in the sour cream and serve topped with the crumbled bacon. From the kitchen of: xxcarol ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 16 16 Sep 2002 ================================================================= CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES ================================================================= Out of the Mouths of Babes enjoyed by Warren Bonner wdbonner@pacbell.net 1. The math teacher saw that little Johnny wasn't paying attention in class. She called on him and said, "Johnny! What are 4, 2, 28 and 44?" Little Johnny quickly replied, "NBC, CBS, HBO, and the Cartoon Network!" 2. When I stopped the bus to pick up Chris for preschool, I noticed an older woman hugging him as he left the house. "Is that your grandmother?" I asked. "Yes, "Chris said. "She's come to visit us for Christmas." "How nice," I said. "Where does she live?" "At the airport," Chris replied. "Whenever we want her, we just go out there and get her." 3. I didn't know if my granddaughter had learned her colors, so I decided to test her. I would point out something and ask what color it was. She would tell me and she always was correct. But it was fun for me, so I continued. At last, she headed for the door, saying sagely, "Grandma, I think you should try to figure out some of these yourself!" 4. When the mother returned from the grocery store, her small son pulled out the box of animal crackers he had begged for, then he spread the animal-shaped crackers all over the kitchen counter. "What are you doing?" his Mom asked. "The box says you can't eat them if the seal is broken," the boy explained. "I'm looking for the seal." 5. This little grandmother was surprised by her 7-year-old grandson one morning. He had made her coffee. She drank what was the worst cup of coffee in her life. When she got to the bottom, there were three of those little green army men in the cup. She said, "Honey, what are these army men doing in my coffee?" Her grandson said, "Grandma, it says on TV 'The best part of waking up is soldiers in your cup!'" 6. In the supermarket was a man pushing a cart that contained a screaming, bellowing baby. The gentleman kept repeating softly, "Don't get excited, Albert; don't scream, Albert; don't yell, Albert; keep calm, Albert." A woman standing next to him said, "You certainly are to be commended for trying to soothe your son, Albert." The man looked at her and said, "Lady, I'm Albert." 7. A three-year-old boy went with his dad to see a new litter of kittens. On returning home, he breathlessly informed his mother, "There were two boy kittens and two girl kittens." "How did you know that?" his mother asked. "Daddy picked them up and looked underneath," he replied. "I think it's printed on the bottom." 8. While working for an organization that delivers lunches to elderly FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 17 16 Sep 2002 shut-ins, I used to take my four-year-old daughter on my afternoon rounds. She was unfailingly intrigued by the various appliances of old age, particularly the canes, walkers and wheelchairs. One day I found her staring at a pair of false teeth soaking in a glass. As I braced myself for the inevitable barrage of questions, she merely turned and whispered, "The tooth fairy will never believe this!" 9. A little girl was watching her parents dress for a party. When she saw her dad donning his tuxedo, she warned, "Daddy, you shouldn't wear that suit." "And why not, darling?" "You know that it always gives you a headache the next morning." 10. While walking along the sidewalk in front of his church, our minister heard the intoning of a prayer that nearly made his collar wilt. Apparently, his five-year-old son and his playmates had found a dead robin. Feeling that proper burial should be performed, they had secured a small box and cotton batting, then dug a hole and made ready for the disposal of the deceased. The minister's son was chosen to say the appropriate prayers and with sonorous dignity intoned his version of what he thought his father always said: "Glory be unto the Faaaather. And to the Soonnn.......and into the hole he gooooes." Ol'wdb ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 18 16 Sep 2002 Men are like... Placemats. They only show up when there's food on the table. Mascara. They usually run at the first sign of emotion. Bike helmets. Handy in an emergency, but otherwise they just look silly. Government bonds. They take so long to mature. Copiers. You need them for reproduction, but that's about it. Lava lamps. Fun to look at, but not all that bright. Bank accounts. Without a lot of money, they don't generate much interest. High heels. They're easy to walk on once you get the hang of it. Curling irons. They're always in your hair. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 19 16 Sep 2002 ================================================================= BEST OF FIDONET ================================================================= Languages again Originally posted in ENET.SYSOP By Petko Bossakov, 2:535/1 People in other countries sometimes go out of their way to communicate with their English-speaking tourists. Here is a list of signs seen around the world. Cocktail lounge, Norway: LADIES ARE REQUESTED NOT TO HAVE CHILDREN IN THE BAR. At a Budapest zoo: PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS. IF YOU HAVE ANY SUITABLE FOOD, GIVE IT TO THE GUARD ON DUTY. Doctors office, Rome: SPECIALIST IN WOMEN AND OTHER DISEASES. Hotel, Acapulco: THE MANAGER HAS PERSONALLY PASSED ALL THE WATER SERVED HERE. Information booklet about using a hotel air conditioner, Japan: COOLES AND HEATES: IF YOU WANT CONDITION OF WARM AIR IN YOUR ROOM,PLEASE CONTROL YOURSELF. Car rental brochure, Tokyo: WHEN PASSENGER OF FOOT HEAVE IN SIGHT, TOOTLE THE HORN. TRUMPET HIM MELODIOUSLY AT FIRST, BUT IF HE STILL OBSTACLES YOUR PASSAGE THEN TOOTLE HIM WITH VIGOUR. Sign in men's rest room in Japan: TO STOP LEAK TURN COCK TO THE RIGHT In a Nairobi restaurant: CUSTOMERS WHO FIND OUR WAITRESSES RUDE OUGHT TO SEE THE MANAGER. On the grounds of a private school: NO TRESPASSING WITHOUT PERMISSION. On an Athi River highway: TAKE NOTICE: WHEN THIS SIGN IS UNDER WATER, THIS ROAD IS IMPASSABLE. On a poster at Kencom: ARE YOU AN ADULT THAT CANNOT READ? IF SO, WE CAN HELP. In a City restaurant: OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND WEEKENDS TOO. One of the Mathare buildings: MENTAL HEALTH PREVENTION CENTRE. FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 20 16 Sep 2002 A sign seen on an automatic restroom hand dryer: DO NOT ACTIVATE WITH WET HANDS. In a Pumwani maternity ward: NO CHILDREN ALLOWED. In a cemetery PERSONS ARE PROHIBITED FROM PICKING FLOWERS FROM ANY BUT THEIR OWN GRAVES. Sign in Japanese public bath: FOREIGN GUESTS ARE REQUESTED NOT TO PULL COCK IN TUB. Tokyo hotel's rules and regulations: GUESTS ARE REQUESTED NOT TO SMOKE OR DO OTHER DISGUSTING BEHAVIOURS IN BED. On the menu of a Swiss restaurant: OUR WINES LEAVE YOU NOTHING TO HOPE FOR. In a Tokyo bar: SPECIAL COCKTAILS FOR THE LADIES WITH NUTS. In a Bangkok temple: IT IS FORBIDDEN TO ENTER A WOMAN EVEN A FOREIGNER IF DRESSED AS A MAN. Hotel room notice, Chiang-Mai, Thailand: PLEASE DO NOT BRING SOLICITORS INTO YOUR ROOM. Hotel brochure, Italy: THIS HOTEL IS RENOWNED FOR ITS PEACE AND SOLITUDE. IN FACT, CROWDS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD FLOCK HERE TO ENJOY ITS SOLITUDE. Hotel lobby, Bucharest: THE LIFT IS BEING FIXED FOR THE NEXT DAY. DURING THAT TIME WE REGRET THAT YOU WILL BE UNBEARABLE. Hotel elevator, Paris: PLEASE LEAVE YOUR VALUES AT THE FRONT DESK. Hotel, Yugoslavia: THE FLATTENING OF UNDERWEAR WITH PLEASURE IS THE JOB OF THE CHAMBERMAID. Hotel, Japan: YOU ARE INVITED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE CHAMBERMAID. In the lobby of a Moscow hotel across from a Russian Orthodox monastery: YOU ARE WELCOME TO VISIT THE CEMETERY WHERE FAMOUS RUSSIAN AND SOVIET COMPOSERS, ARTISTS, AND WRITERS ARE BURIED DAILY EXCEPT THURSDAY. Hotel catering to skiers, Austria: FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 21 16 Sep 2002 NOT TO PERAMBULATE THE CORRIDORS IN THE HOURS OF REPOSE IN THE BOOTS OF AS CENSION. Taken from a menu, Poland: SALAD A FIRM'S OWN MAKE; LIMPID RED BEET SOUP WITH CHEESY DUMPLINGS IN THE FORM OF A FINGER; ROASTED DUCK LET LOOSE; BEEF RASHERS BEATEN IN THE COUNTRY PEOPLE'S FASHION. Supermarket, Hong Kong: FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE, WE RECOMMEND COURTEOUS, EFFICIENT SELF-SERVICE. From the "Soviet Weekly": THERE WILL BE A MOSCOW EXHIBITION OF ARTS BY 15,000 SOVIET REPUBLIC PAINTERS AND SCULPTORS. THESE WERE EXECUTED OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS. In an East African newspaper: A NEW SWIMMING POOL IS RAPIDLY TAKING SHAPE SINCE THE CONTRACTORS HAVE THROWN IN THE BULK OF THEIR WORKERS. Hotel, Vienna: IN CASE OF FIRE, DO YOUR UTMOST TO ALARM THE HOTEL PORTER. A sign posted in Germany's Black Forest: IT IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN ON OUR BLACK FOREST CAMPING SITE THAT PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT SEX, FOR INSTANCE, MEN AND WOMEN, LIVE TOGETHER IN ONE TENT UNLESS THEY ARE MARRIED WITH EACH OTHER FOR THIS PURPOSE. Hotel, Zurich: BECAUSE OF THE IMPROPRIETY OF ENTERTAINING GUESTS OF THE OPPOSITE SEX IN THE BEDROOM, IT IS SUGGESTED THAT THE LOBBY BE USED An advertisement by a Hong Kong dentist: TEETH EXTRACTED BY THE LATEST METHODISTS. A laundry in Rome: LADIES, LEAVE YOUR CLOTHES HERE AND SPEND THE AFTERNOON HAVING A GOOD TIME. Tourist agency, Czechoslovakia: TAKE ONE OF OUR HORSE-DRIVEN CITY TOURS. WE GUARANTEE NO MISCARRIAGES. Advertisement for donkey rides, Thailand: WOULD YOU LIKE TO RIDE ON YOUR OWN ASS? The box of a clockwork toy made in Hong Kong: GUARANTEED TO WORK THROUGHOUT ITS USEFUL LIFE. In a Swiss mountain inn: SPECIAL TODAY - NO ICE-CREAM. FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 22 16 Sep 2002 Airline ticket office, Copenhagen: WE TAKE YOUR BAGS AND SEND THEM IN ALL DIRECTIONS. On the door of a Moscow hotel room: IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST VISIT TO THE USSR, YOU ARE WELCOME TO IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 23 16 Sep 2002 Love, Law, and Science Originally posted in ENET.SYSOP By Sean Rima, 2:263/950 An artist, a lawyer, and a Fidonet Sysop are discussing the possible merits of a mistress. The artist tells of the passion, the thrill, which comes with the risk of being discovered. The lawyer warns of the difficulties. It can lead to guilt, divorce, bankruptcy. Not worth it. Too many problems. The Fidonet Sysop says, "It's the best thing that's ever happened to me. My wife thinks I'm with my mistress. My mistress thinks I'm home with my wife, and I can spend all night on the computer!" ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 24 16 Sep 2002 ================================================================= BEN RITCHEY'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= -=:{ FIDONet Software Reference }:=- Type: M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility ?=Info .- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -. |Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node| `- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -' Argus |M |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84 | argus@ritlabs.com Tel: 373-2-246889 | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001 BeeMail: |M |http://beemail.gexonline.net 1:105/10 Stephen Proffit BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net 1:1/102 | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998 BinkD |MI |http://2f.ru/binkd/ | maloff@corbina.net | v0.94 on Jul 24th 2000 Fidonet to Internet: |MI |http://www.terminate.com Bo Bendtsen | sales@terminate.com | v2.00 on Mar23rd 1997 FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330 Definite Solutions | sales@defsol.se 1:1/101 | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX Husky Project |MTPUI|http://husky.sf.net InterMail, InterEcho,|MT |http://www.ifido.com 1:1/133 Allfix | sales@ifido.com | v2.50 IM, v1.19 IE, v5.13 AF Tmail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru v2608 WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com Net Server, Platinum | sales@santronics.com Xpress: Santronics | Tel: (305) 248-3204 Software, Inc. | AUP 450.2 on Jul 9th 2002 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ Fidogate |TUI |http://www.fidogate.org | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net v4.4.4 FMail |T |http://fmail.nl.eu.org 2:280/1076 | wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org v1.60 JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 25 16 Sep 2002 (ATARI ST only) | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000 Squish |T |http://www.lanius.com | sales@lanius.com v1.11 |http://www.vector11.com/maximus/ Synchronet BBS |TB |http://www.synchro.net | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net | v3.10i Beta on Apr 30th 2002 Watergate |TUI |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/ | ramon@sbbs.se | v0.93p9 on Dec 14th 1998 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ BBBS |BI |http://www.bbbs.net b@bbbs.net | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999 2:22/222 ELEBBS: The Elevator |B |http://www.elebbs.com Software Production | elebbs@elebbs.com | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002 Falken BBS |B |http://falkenbbs.com | v12.0 on Feb 2nd 2002 Hermes II Project |B |http://www.hermesii.org | info@HermesII.org v3.5.9 Beta Final Maximus BBS |B |http://www.lanius.com | sales@lanius.com v3.01 |http://www.vector11.com/maximus/ MBSE BBS: |BI |http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:280/2802 Michiel Broek | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net | v0.33.21 on Jun 4th 2002 Mystic BBS |B |http://www.mysticbbs.com | v1.07.3 on May 13th 2001 Nexus BBS |B |http://www.nexusbbs.net | groberts@nexusbbs.net | v0.99.41.001 beta on Jun 10th 2001 Proboard BBS |B |http://www.proboard.be | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002 RemoteAccess BBS: |B |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120 Bruce Morse | bfmorse@rapro.com | v2.62.2SW Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/ Creek Software | MDWoltz@aol.com 1:1/150 | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999 Telegard BBS |B |http://www.telegard.net | support@telegard.net FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 26 16 Sep 2002 | v3.09g2 SP4 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ Atlantis Software |D |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/ | last update: Jun 2002 BBS Central |D |http://www.rpcomputers.com Bentstone |D |http://www.srupc.com/mall Capabilities Group | info@stonebenders.com Cheepware: |D |http://www.midnightshour.org/cheepware/ Sean Dennis | 1:11/200 DDS (Doorware |D |http://www.doorgames.org 1:2404/201 Distribution System) | ruth@doorgames.org Ruth Argust DoorMUD |D |http://www.dmud.thebbs.org | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002 Elysium Software |D |http://www.elysoft.com | mpreslar@mailcity.com Jibben Software |D |http://www.jibbensoftware.com | scott@jibben.com | 1995-99 Release dates JNS Software: |D |http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ Rusty Johnson | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com | Tel: (304) 733-0113 John Dailey Software |D |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com | support@johndaileysoftware.com LORD (Legend of the |D |http://www.lordlegacy.org Red Dragon) Reborn | mike@lordlegacy.org | v4.06 on Feb 5th 2001 Lord-II IGMs |D |http://www.shelby.net/wizards/lord2igm/ PC Pursuits |D |http://www.pcpursuits.com | brucep@pop.kis.net | Tel: (301) 240-6653 Shining Star |D |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ | nannette@shiningstar.net Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com Al Lawrence | al@sunrisedoors.com | Tel: (404) 256-9518 The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ | stanley@brainex.com 1994-99 Releases Trade Wars |D |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 27 16 Sep 2002 | jpritch@eisonline.com | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002 Vagabond Software: |D |http://www.vbsoft.org 1:124/7013 Bryan Turner | vagabond@vbsoft.org | last update: Jul 17th 2002 (various) |D |http://www.webnexus.com/users/etow/ +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ APoint |PI |http://www.apoint-mail.de | dirk.pokorny@apoint-mail.de | v1.25 2:2426/1210.13 OpenXP/32 |PI |http://www.openxp.com 2:248/2004 | mk@openxp.de v3.8.7 beta Aug 3rd 2002 OpenXP/16 |P |http://www.openxp16.de 2:2433/460 | my@openxp16.de v3.40 RC3 Apr 28th 2002 CrossPoint (XP) |P |http://www.crosspoint.de | pm@crosspoint.de v3.12d Dec 22nd 1999 PPoint |P |http://www.alcuf.ca 1:249/114 | v3.04 on Jan 10th 2000 Terminate |P |http://www.terminate.com | v5.00 on Aug 7th 1997 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ GoldEd+ |E |http://mik.nu/golded-plus/ 2:203/6600 | v1.1.5 on Aug 8th 2002 SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de | v1.15 on Dec 15th 1999 +- - - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ GiGo |UI |http://www.gigo.com | v0109 on Jan 9th 1997 Internet Rex: |UI |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/ Charles Cruden | (see Register.Zip for Email) 1:342/806 (Khan Software) | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001 TransNet |UI |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/ | transnet@ressl.com.ar | v2.11 on Jul 18th 1998 TransX: Multiboard |UI |http://www.multiboard.com/software/ Communications, Inc. | support@multiboard.com 1:2401/305 | v3.5 +- - 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UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c 218/109 | Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c 220/10 | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c 229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c 229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? | 229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c 261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c 275/311 | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1 |n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c 323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 393/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c 379/1 | Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c 2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c 2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c 2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c 2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/1275 | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c 3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c 3830/9 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP FTP IFCICO VMoT UUE|?|? -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c 28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c 47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 53/558 |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|?? 201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c 201/505 | G”ran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c 201/600 | H†kan Andersson |BinkP,FTP |512kbps| n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k | n/c 211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c 221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c 255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c 263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c 280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 32 16 Sep 2002 280/1601 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c 280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE, BinkP | 128k | n/c 292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/534 | Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c 341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | | 341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | | 343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | | 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 | Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | | 348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | | 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c 2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 33 16 Sep 2002 712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c 774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 801/161 | Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 6 65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free 653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free 654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free 654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * TX = TransX * NFS = Linux Networking * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer * QWK = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.fidotel.com (currently offline) news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 34 16 Sep 2002 ================================================================= SPECIAL INTEREST ================================================================= Nodelist Stats Input nodelist nodelist.256 size 1063.9kb date 2002-09-13 The nodelist has 9400 nodes in it and a total of 12307 non-comment entries including 6 zones 58 regions 454 hosts 649 hubs admin overhead 1167 ( 12.41 %) and 953 private nodes 448 nodes down 339 nodes on hold off line overhead 1740 ( 18.51 %) Speed summary: >9600 = 730 ( 7.77 %) 9600 = 8198 ( 87.21 %) (HST = 174 or 2.12 %) (CSP = 1 or 0.01 %) (PEP = 12 or 0.15 %) (MAX = 0 or 0.00 %) (HAY = 1 or 0.01 %) (V32 = 4478 or 54.62 %) (V32B = 460 or 5.61 %) (V34 = 5397 or 65.83 %) (V42 = 4451 or 54.29 %) (V42B = 479 or 5.84 %) 2400 = 98 ( 1.04 %) 1200 = 8 ( 0.09 %) 300 = 366 ( 3.89 %) ISDN = 941 ( 10.01 %) ---------------------------------------------------------- File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems ---------------------------------------------------------- XA Frontdoor <1.99b 3337 Frontdoor 2.02+ Dutchie 2.90c Binkleyterm >2.1 D'Bridge <1.3 TIMS Xenia -------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 35 16 Sep 2002 XB Binkleyterm 2.0 8 Dutchie 2.90b -------------------------------------- XC Opus 1.1 10 -------------------------------------- XP Seadog 6 -------------------------------------- XR Opus 1.03 55 -------------------------------------- XW Fido >12M 384 Tabby KittenMail -------------------------------------- XX D'Bridge 1.30 4172 Frontdoor 1.99b Intermail 2.01 T-Mail -------------------------------------- None QMM 1428 -------------------------------------- CrashMail capable = 2992 ( 31.83 %) MailOnly nodes = 5101 ( 54.27 %) Listed-only nodes = 728 ( 7.74 %) Other = 579 ( 6.16 %) [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100] [ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-37 Page 36 16 Sep 2002 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= How to Submit an Article If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here are some guidelines, if you send it as an attached file; the preferred method if you want reasonable control over how the published article will appear in the Fidonews: a) Plain ASCII text. 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