The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 29 22 Jul 2002 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are | | | FidoNet community. | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings| | | | | San Francisco, California, USA | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Crash netmail articles to: | | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-944907) | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | Routed netmail articles to: | | \_______\(_| /_) | Bjorn Felten @ 2:203/0 | | _ @/_ \ _ | Email attach to: | | | | \ \\ | bfelten@telia.com | | | (*) | \ ))| | | |__U__| / \// | Editor: Bj”rn Felten | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally. Table of Contents 1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1 2. INSIDE ................................................... 2 The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 2 3. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 3 Not a "Good Show, Mate" .................................. 3 4. CATCALLS FROM THE CHEAP SEATS ............................ 5 Catcalls from the Cheap Seats ............................ 5 5. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN .......................... 10 Soy Onions ............................................... 10 6. CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES ..................................... 11 Cute ..................................................... 11 7. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................. 12 Fidonet Software List .................................... 12 8. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 16 Fidonet-related Sites .................................... 16 9. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 21 Nodelist Stats ........................................... 21 10. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 23 How to Submit an Article ................................. 23 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 25 FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 1 22 Jul 2002 ================================================================= FOOD FOR THOUGHT ================================================================= "Natives who beat drums to drive off evil spirits are objects of scorn to smart Americans who blow horns to break up traffic jams." -- Mary Ellen Kelly ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 2 22 Jul 2002 ================================================================= INSIDE ================================================================= The Fidonews at a Glance Once again a rather thin issue of the Snooze. In the general articles section Frank Vest tells us about an encounter in a newsgroup, where someone claimed that many fido-BBS's are dead. This in the article "Not a 'Good Show, Mate'" "Catcalls from the Cheap Seats" by Luke Kolin is this week entirely dedicated to the poor Dutch kid that was framed by the FBI. In the kitchen section Carol makes "Soy Onions". I guess those can be made on the grill as well, if you want them as a side dish at the grill party. Finally, for the jokes section, we received a kiddy joke from Warren Bonner. It's called "Cute". ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 3 22 Jul 2002 ================================================================= GENERAL ARTICLES ================================================================= Not a "Good Show, Mate" By Frank Vest 1:124/6308.1 The below appeared in the Internet Newsgroup - alt.bbs. ---- quote ---- From: Anonymous Subject: FidoNet Newsgroups: alt.bbs Having heard of FidoNet for several years, I wanted to add FidoNet to my BBS, so I went hunting for the information. I found a bbs that carried fidonet echos so I spent a few days reading some of them.. I found most echos dead and the ones that were not seem to be nothing but filthy mouths, flame wars, power struggles and god help a new person or a female.. you will be shit on. A couple seemed to be ok, but it looks to me like this network is dead for the avarage person. ---- end quote ---- In my opinion, this is sadly the case too often for those that might want to join Fidonet. They search for information and find little. When they finally do find a BBS to check out, it is like the above. Why?? Probably many reasons. I'll just list my thoughts and everyone can take it from there with flames and fights. :( DEAD SYSOP: Some Sysops are "missing in action". The BBS is there, but the Sysop is not interested, doesn't have the time, plays on the Internet side of his/her BBS or some other excuse and leaves the BBS run "just because". The echos haven't been looked at, updated or whatever in some time. The link to the Node might be gone and not noticed by the Sysop who never logs into his/her BBS. SYSOP/ADMINISTRATIVE ECHOS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC: Don't laugh. I've visited BBSs that have echos open to the public that should not be. The Sysop either doesn't realize that the echo should not be in the public or doesn't know how to prevent access by the public. IN DEFENSE OF US ALL: In all fairness, I can't lay all the blame on all of us or just the above reasons. In my reply to this message in the newsgroup (of course I replied :-) I mentioned that judging all of Fidonet by the, apparently, one BBS called is not good. It would be much the same as judging all of one country/nation by one citizen in that country. FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 4 22 Jul 2002 Ok, I'll shut up now. :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 5 22 Jul 2002 ================================================================= CATCALLS FROM THE CHEAP SEATS ================================================================= Catcalls from the Cheap Seats By Luke Kolin It is not often that this not so humble commentator gets dragged into a defence of the US criminal justice system. However, considering the outrage I've managed to provoke in Michiel van der Vlist, I would be remiss if I didn't take a few extra steps in order to clear up the matter of our Dutch friend Menno B and his fondness for little girls who really are middle-aged FBI agents. (Is there a UseNet newsgroup or Yahoo club for that fetish, or will I start my own? alt.sex.fetish.fat.bald.feds!) Let us begin by getting a few things out of the way right at the beginning, so that all of our readers are clear on what happened. Only then can we discuss the real heart of the matter. First, Menno was not "framed". In English, the verb "to frame" implies either that a picture or painting is placed within a frame, or that an individual has been accused and convicted of a crime he did not commit, by the active malfeasance of law enforcement or another party. In no way can Michiel claim that Menno B has been framed. Did he not communicate with the individual? Did he not intend to engage in sexual relations with her, if she had in fact been a 14-year-old girl? Did he not travel to the United States for that purpose? Did he not make arrangements to meet this "girl"? Fact is, by everyone's admission that's EXACTLY what Menno wanted to do. If he was merely a hapless Dutch tourist seeing the Grand Canyon one fine day who hadn't chatted on the Internet in his life, and the chats were a fabrication of an FBI agent, that would be a case of our subject being "framed". But that is not the case at all. Again, there has been no dispute whatsoever on the facts of this case. To suggest that Menno was framed is implying that American law enforcement had twisted the details of the case. Considering that Menno himself agrees to the facts, it is somewhat unreasonable for Michiel (and to that extent, our Editor - shame on you, Bjorn!) to use the word "framed". We may have disagreement over the tactics used by the FBI, but that's a different argument which I'm more than happy to engage in later. Now, before I'm painted as a deeply reactionary and unreasonable father, let's discuss my daughter (and my non-existent son) for a few moments. I recognise, instinctively, that at some point in her life she will engage in sexual activity. Where Michiel and I disagree, is the age at which such activity is appropriate. Now, clearly, at 14 months of age she is far too young to be involved or even interested in such a thing. At eighteen, that's certainly going to be her decision, not mine. All I can do is hope to influence her into making appropriate choices that she will not regret at a later date. Where things get sticky is at what age in between is sexual activity on her part appropriate? Is it fourteen, as Michiel advocates? How about thirteen? twelve? Maybe ten? How about eight years of age? What gives Michiel the right to determine at what age parents such as myself lose our responsibility to control certain aspects of our minor children's FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 6 22 Jul 2002 behaviour? I certainly wouldn't want Dutchme n like Menno and Michiel determining what age my daughter is allowed to engage in sexual activity with an older man, any more than I'd want some pious Saudi Arabian cleric to do so. I (and members of my community) have gotten together through our elected representatives and passed a series of laws regarding statutory rape and the use of minors for sexual purposes. It's interesting that Michiel refers to having sex with a fourteen-year-old as being "technically" illegal, about the same as a parking ticket, just after he discusses a recent move to lower the age of consent to twelve years of age. He mentions that such activities should be legal as long as the child "consents". What is consent? And why is there an age of consent? Why is it that legally, a child of a certain age cannot consent to sexual activity, even if he or she wants to engage in it? Why? Because lawmakers, unlike Michiel, have the intelligence and common sense to recognise that children are incapable of making meaningful, thought out decisions in a large number of situations. Under Michiel's interesting view of the world, a 40-year-old could promise to divorce his wife and marry a 14-year-old and give her lots of money if she'd have sex with him. If she said "yes", there would be no crime committed. Now, we both now that on its face, such a promise is. Ahem... unlikely to be hono ured. However, some children are more susceptible than others to unreasonable propositions are. However, the child had freely and willingly consented. Now, in Michiel's view, responsibility would shift onto parents to protect their children by "instilling values" into them, before they went out into a world where it was open season on them. Michiel brings up the suggestion that is "what if it was my child that was arrested for purchasing a firearm?" Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that firearm laws vary substantially from country to country. If my 25-year-old son came to me and informed me that he was travelling to a foreign country to purchase a firearm, I'd ask him "Have you checked to see if this is legal? What permits do you need?" Heck, I'd even ask him that if he wanted to purchase a firearm from a neighbour or the local gun store. (Firearm regulation does exist in the United States, despite popular opinion in foreign countries.) I would also hope that my son, at 25 years of age, would recognise the basic notion that there are a lot of laws in the world that regulate your behaviour, and that there are consequences to violating them. A cursory check of those laws might not be a bad idea, especially with something as regulated as firearms (or sex with minors). As a parent, anything bad that happens to my children causes me pain and grief. However, I am also mature and sensible enough to realise that (like Michiel exhorts me to) I cannot protect my children from everything the world throws at them. If my son lacks the common sense at 25 years of age to realise that certain items (especially firearms) are regulated and restricted, and ends up in legal difficulties because of it, I have only myself as a parent to blame - or I shrug my shoulders and say I've tried long enough to instil common sense in the boy. At the very least, he should have had the presence of mind to ask someone whose judgement he trusted (like, I hope, myself) before he went ahead and did it. FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 7 22 Jul 2002 It does beg the question, of course, of what Menno asked his mother or father before he left for the United States. Did he tell them, "Hey folks, I'm travelling to the United States to engage in sex with a teenage schoolgirl I met on the Internet? Think that's a good idea?" Did he tell anyone? I'm sure even someone as amoral as Michiel is turning out to be would at least have had the common sense to suggest that this might not be the smartest of ideas. I don't anticipate getting much agreement with Michiel on these points. Our laws recognise that, and they are different between the Netherlands and the United States. Let's move on towards a more interesting legal argument, the question of "intent". Menno's crime was the intent to engage in sexual activity with a minor. I don't think we have any disagreement that this is what he truly intended. Michiel also concedes that the intended activity is a crime - all that we have left is if it is valid for the United States to criminalise intent, and was Menno's arrest "entrapment." Let's deal with the notion of intent. Intent is not as simple as Michiel claims it is - one cannot criminalise thought in a civilised country. Deeds are another matter. Legally, intent is a collection of actions from which a reasonable individual would infer that the defendant truly intends to commit a crime. The example that Michiel suggests is a red herring. It's not illegal in any part of the United States for me to take a look at a young girl (or boy, were it to my taste) and think impure thoughts of illegal activity. It never has been illegal to do so. Now, were I to proposition a young child, that would probably be a crime. What would certainly be a crime (even if the child consents) is to take further actions in preparation of an illegal act, like going back to my house or renting a motel room. Again, the systems (and juries) are smart enough to recognise that a thought isn't evidence in and of itself of a future criminal act; the follow-up actions are what determine it. While w e cannot know what was in Menno's mind the very instant he stepped off that plane, it's reasonable to assume he wouldn't travel all the way to the US only to change his mind in the instant before the FBI showed up. If anything, I think Menno changed his mind the instant AFTERWARDS. Does Michiel really believe that Menno did nothing wrong in the US? In and of itself, Menno just stepped off of an aeroplane in the United States. Fortunately, US courts and judges aren't nearly as wilfully blind as Michiel would want them to be. They ask sensible, logical questions. And they asked themselves, he intended to commit a crime while in the Netherlands. Are his actions in the US consistent with that previous intent? If he had a different reason to come to the United States, he sure didn't claim so. Instead, he did exactly as he said he was going to do when he was in the Netherlands. You see, the law is smart enough to recognise that illegal acts are often composed of many legal actions. They look at the big picture. As an example, I may have a desire to see my boss dead. To think, "I'd love to shoot him" is not criminal in and of itself. Were I to legally purchase a firearm to do so, that too might not be criminal. There are dozens of legal and acceptable reasons for me to purchase a firearm, none of which are related to the assassination of my supervisor. Again, that probably wouldn't be sufficient to have me arrested, let FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 8 22 Jul 2002 alone convicted. Were I to show up at work with my gun, that would probably be enough and if the police had been tipped off about my intentions to shoot my boss, I'd be stopped, searched and arrested, even though it is not a criminal act to carry a concealed weapon into my workplace in this state. (I could be fired for doing so, but that's not a criminal process.) A reasonable individual would conclude that I had taken enough steps to transfer my initial desires into a likely future action, even though ALL of my previous acts have been entirely legal. That's what criminal inten t is all about. You can't claim that until I actually pull the trigger no crime had been committed. That's absurd. It's also an entirely legitimate tactic for law enforcement to act as a potential party to a crime. Let me take another example - America's drug laws. In the Netherlands, the purchase and consumption of marijuana is still "technically" illegal, but again, is similar to a parking ticket. If Menno had conspired with an individual over the Internet to purchase a small amount of marijuana within the United States and import it into the Netherlands, would it be impossible to arrest him because the other party (the FBI agent) acted under false pretences, since he had no intentions of ever selling me any? If so, the entire practice of law enforcement would come to a grinding halt - law enforcement, in the course of undercover work, needs to act as a "willing accomplice" in order to accumulate evidence of a current or future crime. Michiel claims that the authorities "provoked" a crime. How exactly was Menno provoked? Did he not come up with the idea to engage in sexual conduct with a minor? Did he not come up with the idea to travel to the United States? Are we to believe that Menno was so feeble-minded that he was talked into all of this by a smooth-talking FBI agent, and didn't have the mental capacity to say no? If so, then Michiel is a hypocrite of the first magnitude. You see, by claiming such a defence, Michiel claims that Menno was a twenty-five year old "kid" who was incapable of the mental decision-making necessary to take responsibility for his own actions. So, apparently 25 years old is too young to make decisions regarding right or wrong, but children of half that age are perfectly capable of engaging in informed decisions about having sex with older individuals??? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard yet. If anything, to characterise Menno as an uninformed "kid" means that the age of consent should be RAISED, not lowered, as 25 is obviously too young to make serious decisions on one's own. If 25 is still a kid, 14 must be a baby. If the crime had truly been "provoked" in a legal sense, that would be entrapment. That would be the FBI agent propositioning Menno about sex. That would be the FBI agent suggesting he come to the United States. And you'd bet your bottom dollar that Menno's lawyer would have been jumping up and down screaming entrapment at every opportunity, especially since the chat transcripts are the key pieces of evidence in this case. Why hasn't he done so? Because there's no evidence to support such a notion. It seems that Michiel wants things both ways - he wants 25 year olds to be guarded from the legal consequences of committing crimes, but believes that children half FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 9 22 Jul 2002 that age contain the judgement necessary to provide the informed consent necessary to engage in sex. Sex with children without consequences - how disgusting. Now, I'll give Menno (or most likely, his attorney, since common sense wasn't present in Menno's actions until legal counsel was retained) some credit here. He's never suggested for a moment that what he did was right, because it wasn't. He's never suggested entrapment, because there is no evidence of that taking place. I'm sure that when Menno was passing through US Immigration, he didn't say to the INS Inspector "I'm here to sleep with an underage minor", because he knew that was wrong. At every step, this individual was intending on committing a crime, and his actions are entirely consistent with that. What's more interesting to this commentator, as this story as developed, are the extraordinary lengths that Michiel has gone to defend this individual. Again, the FBI probably has better things to do than go after Dutch paedophiles, but that's not the issue. If Menno had contained his musings to dirty talk behind a keyboard in the Netherlands, that would be just fine. He wouldn't be a rrested, because (to be honest) he wouldn't be a threat to American children. The minute he demonstrated his wherewithal to travel to the United States to follow up on his propositions, he was a threat and deservedly arrested. To suggest he was too young to appreciate the consequences of his actions clearly indicates that a 14-year-old is certainly incapable of giving consent to sexual activity. Again, it's common sense. Want to sleep with minors? Don't come to the United States - go to the Netherlands, where's it's pretty much legal and the population will fight hard to defend your "right" to do so. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 10 22 Jul 2002 ================================================================= FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN ================================================================= Soy Onions Yield: 4 Servings 2 lg Onions- vidalia preferred 2 tb Butter or olive oil 2 tb Shoyu or soy sauce Melt butter and dot on cut onion. Cook in microwave 4 mins on medium. Add soy sauce and let stand 3 mins then serve. From: xxcarol Note: this makes a fine side dish for most meals and is perfect for almost any barbaque. It can also be made with 1/2 the fat/oil added and still taste wonderful! ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 11 22 Jul 2002 ================================================================= CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES ================================================================= Cute By Warren Bonner Two little kids are in the hospital lying on beds next to each other outside the operating room. The first kid leans over and asks, "What are you in for?" The second kid says, "I'm here to get my tonsils out and I'm a little nervous." The first kid says, "You've got nothing to worry about. I had that done when I was four. They put you to sleep and when you wake up, they give you lots of jell-o and ice cream. It's a breeze." The second kid then says, "What are you here for?" The first kid says, "A circumcision." The second kid says, "Whoa, I had that done when I was born. 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UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c 218/109 | Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c 220/10 | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c 229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c 229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? | 229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c 261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c 275/311 | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1 |n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c 323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 393/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c 379/1 | Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c 2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c 2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c 2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c 2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/1275 | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c 3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c 3830/9 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP FTP IFCICO VMoT UUE|?|? -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c 28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c 47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 53/558 |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|?? 201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c 201/505 | G”ran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c 201/600 | H†kan Andersson |BinkP,FTP |512kbps| n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k | n/c 211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c 221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c 255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c 263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 19 22 Jul 2002 280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 280/1601 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c 280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c 292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/534 | Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c 341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | | 341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | | 343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | | 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 | Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | | 348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | | 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c 2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 20 22 Jul 2002 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c 774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 801/161 | Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 6 65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free 653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free 654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free 654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * TX = TransX * NFS = Linux Networking * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer * QWK = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.fidotel.com (currently offline) news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 21 22 Jul 2002 ================================================================= SPECIAL INTEREST ================================================================= Nodelist Stats Input nodelist nodelist.200 size 1078.4kb date 2002-07-20 The nodelist has 9535 nodes in it and a total of 12478 non-comment entries including 6 zones 63 regions 464 hosts 655 hubs admin overhead 1188 ( 12.46 %) and 931 private nodes 374 nodes down 450 nodes on hold off line overhead 1755 ( 18.41 %) Speed summary: >9600 = 781 ( 8.19 %) 9600 = 8259 ( 86.62 %) (HST = 178 or 2.16 %) (CSP = 1 or 0.01 %) (PEP = 12 or 0.15 %) (MAX = 0 or 0.00 %) (HAY = 1 or 0.01 %) (V32 = 4512 or 54.63 %) (V32B = 490 or 5.93 %) (V34 = 5464 or 66.16 %) (V42 = 4473 or 54.16 %) (V42B = 512 or 6.20 %) 2400 = 103 ( 1.08 %) 1200 = 7 ( 0.07 %) 300 = 385 ( 4.04 %) ISDN = 982 ( 10.30 %) ---------------------------------------------------------- File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems ---------------------------------------------------------- XA Frontdoor <1.99b 3460 Frontdoor 2.02+ Dutchie 2.90c Binkleyterm >2.1 D'Bridge <1.3 TIMS Xenia -------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 22 22 Jul 2002 XB Binkleyterm 2.0 8 Dutchie 2.90b -------------------------------------- XC Opus 1.1 10 -------------------------------------- XP Seadog 6 -------------------------------------- XR Opus 1.03 59 -------------------------------------- XW Fido >12M 388 Tabby KittenMail -------------------------------------- XX D'Bridge 1.30 4179 Frontdoor 1.99b Intermail 2.01 T-Mail -------------------------------------- None QMM 1425 -------------------------------------- CrashMail capable = 3110 ( 32.62 %) MailOnly nodes = 5125 ( 53.75 %) Listed-only nodes = 740 ( 7.76 %) Other = 560 ( 5.87 %) [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100] [ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-29 Page 23 22 Jul 2002 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= How to Submit an Article If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here are some guidelines, if you send it as an attached file; the preferred method if you want reasonable control over how the published article will appear in the Fidonews: a) Plain ASCII text. 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