The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 27 08 Jul 2002 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are | | | FidoNet community. | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings| | | | | San Francisco, California, USA | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Crash netmail articles to: | | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-944907) | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | Routed netmail articles to: | | \_______\(_| /_) | Bjorn Felten @ 2:203/0 | | _ @/_ \ _ | Email attach to: | | | | \ \\ | bfelten@telia.com | | | (*) | \ ))| | | |__U__| / \// | Editor: Bj”rn Felten | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally. Table of Contents 1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1 2. INSIDE ................................................... 2 The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 2 3. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 3 Confessions of an Ex-Sysop (8) ........................... 3 4. CATCALLS FROM THE CHEAP SEATS ............................ 5 Catcalls from the Cheap Seats ............................ 5 5. FIDONET WEB PAGE REVIEWS ................................. 8 Some (not so) out of date Fidonet sites .................. 8 6. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN .......................... 11 Beginner Baked Chicken #1 ................................ 11 7. CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES ..................................... 12 Eve's problem ............................................ 12 Italian Affair ........................................... 13 8. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................. 14 Fidonet Software List .................................... 14 9. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 18 Fidonet-related Sites .................................... 18 10. SPECIAL INTEREST ........................................ 23 Nodelist Stats ........................................... 23 11. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 25 How to Submit an Article ................................. 25 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 27 FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 1 8 Jul 2002 ================================================================= FOOD FOR THOUGHT ================================================================= "People seem to enjoy things more when they know a lot of other people have been left out of the pleasure." -- Russel Baker ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 2 8 Jul 2002 ================================================================= INSIDE ================================================================= The Fidonews at a Glance In number eight of the "Confessions of an Ex-Sysop" series by Steve Townsley, he, among other things, this week tries to straighten some misunderstandings from Andrea Santos' rebutt a couple of weeks ago. This in the general articles section. An article from Frank Vest was also inspired by a previous article by Steve. It's about Steve's difficulties finding up-to-date information about fidonet on the internet. Frank has managed to compile quite a list of sites that may be interesting to those in quest for information in "Some (not so) out of date Fidonet sites". Luke Kolin too spends most of his writings this week on another article. It's Michiel's article last week about the Dutch man (or should I say kid?) that was framed by the FBI. Read all about it in "Catcalls from the Cheap Seats". In our international kitchen this week, Carol makes "Beginner Baked Chicken #1". I wouldn't use the high temperature and the long baking time she recommends, but I guess American chicken are bigger than the Swedish, and therefore need that much more heat. Finally a couple of jokes, as usual. Also as usual, one is from Warren Bonner, "Italian Affair". A story that barely made it to the Clean Jokes Section. Is this really a clean joke? Find out for yourself! And then there's one, that I don't remember where I got it from. If anyone sent it to me, the name seem to be lost. Please make sure your name is in your submissions, I cannot always remember who sent what. Anyway, it's good one (according to my wife at least) about "Eve's problem". ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 3 8 Jul 2002 ================================================================= GENERAL ARTICLES ================================================================= Confessions of an Ex-Sysop (8) Steve Townsley stownsley@g7spn.org This week I feel like a small boy being "rebutted" by Andrea Santos (Vol 19 Number 23). She seems to think that I am making judgements where there are none present. Andrea was being a bit hostile. However I am a big boy now and I can take it. For the sake of complete accuracy she should have mentioned that her company (www.santronics.com) has a commercial interest in developing BBS software. I say this not to attack her personally but simply to say that when I ran BBS's they were done so as a hobby and not part of any business. I am in no way resentful or sad because I enjoyed Sysoping as a hobby. Lets get things straight. I am an ex-sysop. I say that neither proudly or as an apology. It is simply a fact. I don't need to prove that I have a right to an opinion on FidoNet. I am totally non-judgemental on why anyone runs a FidoNet system. I Sysoped when a 2400 bps modem was $700 in the UK and my average phone bill cost was easily $100 per month so I feel no need to justify writing a few words in FidoNews. I spent 11 years as a FidoNet Sysop and I respect the views of every Sysop who emailed me whether they agreed with me or not. I am also not comparing the Internet with FidoNet or engaging in the fruitless task of stating that either is better. When I say it is fine with me to run a dial-up BBS I am not being condescending but quite literal because I know running a system is hard work and also, for BBS hobbyists, very rewarding. The point she missed in big way is I spent the thousands of dollars on PCs, modems, phone bills, etc. I used to run the US mail hour in 1985 with a Bell 103a standard modem - yes 300bps! Writing in FidoNews was to first stimulate a debate about the future of FidoNet. How can it meet the challenge of the fact that those who dialed up BBS's now find it easier and more economic to dial the Internet. How can amateur and hobbyist computer users develop an alternative to the big boys such as AOL, MSN etc for such users in the same way that local BBS' provided that alternative in the 1980s. How do FidoNet Policy and technical standards have to evolve to make use of both the traditional dial-up networks and the Internet. If Andrea Santos looks around the web as I do there is precious little information on how a FidoNet client can operate only from the Internet. Indeed the official site of FidoNet (www.fidonet.org) and FidoNet policy says you MUST have an accessible dial-up number to participate. I am not denying people use modems, BBS's, Fido, LP records or the horse and cart. I am not denying that people enjoy using dial-up FidoNet. What I am saying is that from 1985, when I joined FidoNet and FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 4 8 Jul 2002 1996, when I left FidoNet grew from a couple of hundred BBS's to 30,000. In the same period modem owners called their local BBS and long distance BBS' in great numbers. However the facts are that in the last 7 years the FidoNet published nodelist has dropped by two thirds, the only growth areas are in parts of the world that have recently come out of communism or are developing phone networks and the Internet has become the number one service that people call rather than traditional BBS's. Based on those facts I think the FidoNet community is in decline. Some people may feel that this doesn't matter as long as they can run their BBS and they can enjoy their hobby. I can agree with that and support it. The broader statement I am making is that FidoNet technology and the spirit that built FidoNet can be brought onto the Internet in a meaningful way. If we consider the Internet merely as a transfer medium in the same way we considered the public phone system a transfer medium then FidoNet could actually grow and develop a bigger community. I enjoyed my time as a FidoNet Sysop and I respected all the people who started BBS's and run BBS systems today. I think the FidoNet community spirit was worthwhile and I feel it's tragic that Fido is declining and it would be sad to lose that spirit that made Fido an alternative to big corporate online services. Those who think that my contributions to FidoNews have been a never ending celebration of the Internet and a rejection of the community spirit of FidoNet have mis-read my intention. I am saying that Fido will continue getting ever smaller using dial-up technology and people will enjoy it. But if Fido wants to make the technological leap that Tom Jennings and co did when it started then Fido must go where the action is. Like it or loath it FidoNet's audience has moved in massive numbers to the Internet. Those users no longer use Telix or Procomm and they require new sophisticated client software. FidoNet has never provided connectivity conveniently or economically. Setting up and maintaining a Fido node requires knowledge. Let's not undermine the genuine skills in the Sysop community. Right now most users on the Internet use nothing more sophisticated than a browser. The average user cannot join FidoNet unless clients become easier to use. If FidoNet makes a technology leap forward I am unlikely to stay an ex-sysop because the community will be interesting again. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 5 8 Jul 2002 ================================================================= CATCALLS FROM THE CHEAP SEATS ================================================================= Catcalls from the Cheap Seats By Luke Kolin Apparently, I returned back to the Snooze just in time; we seem to have received an abundance of material last week. I'm sure our editor welcomed the new material - I'm sure he also appreciates the fact that for the next several months, the Swedish national time has no further opportunities to choke in key situations. (I sympatise - four times in the past ten years my beloved Maple Leafs have reached the semi-finals of the NHL playoffs and hacked and choked like a cat on a hairball.) As an unpaid commentator, I personally love the opportunity to spout off on the wacky and crazy opinions that get vented in the Snooze so rarely these days. And oh, what a week! Where should I begin? I'm sorry, but I absolutely cannot resist laughing at Michiel van der Vlist's outrage at the human rights abuses occurring in the United States these days, denying paedophiles their God-given right (apparently) to engage in sexual activities with minor children. As the father of a young daughter myself, I happen to consider it a good thing that the FBI is working to stop individuals like the good Menno B. from taking sexual advantage of children. (Now the cynic in me is remarking that the reputed promiscuity of young American girls makes a mockery of the age of consent, but more on that later.) This commentator is but a recent transplant to the New South, but I would suggest to Michiel that he may want to consider the alternative to incarceration - let's assume this 14-year-old girl really existed. In most parts in the South and West, if this girl's father ever discovered what happened, Menno B. would have one of two things happen to him. If he was lucky, Daddy would get three large friends together, beat the living snot out of him, and then run him over with their pickup once or twice to ensure the message sunk in. If Menno was unlucky, Daddy would practice his target shooting with a 12-gauge, using Menno as a clay pigeon. Now our legalistic, law-abiding readers should be recoiling in horror right about now. Surely, you ask, there's a legal system in place? Daddy would get hauled into court, and get a trial by a jury of his peers. For lay people, that means 12 individuals just like Daddy, not a dozen Dutchmen with a predeliction for underage girls. At some point in the deliberation, all the jurors with teenage daughters would ask themselves what THEY would do in such a circumstance. And a few minutes later the not guilty verdict would be handed down. Case dismissed. Considering the alternative, Menno B. is pretty lucky that he only got incarcerated for two years, after which he'll be deported and permanently barred from re-entering the United States. (Two years in a prison should be enough to teach Menno how unpleasant it is to be on the receiving end of a sexual predator's advances.) FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 6 8 Jul 2002 I find it absolutely hillarious that Michiel will claim injustice, by claiming that what Menno was doing was not a crime in the Netherlands. There are two huge flaws with this reasoning: first, lawmakers down here have a quaint habit of not waiting for the horse to escape before closing the barn door, so to speak. If I intend to kill someone, purchase a firearm and get stopped on my way to their house, I can still be convicted of attempted murder even if I never get a shot off. The active intent to commit a criminal act should be a crime - we want our governments to PREVENT crime, not just to wait helplessly until there is a crime to react to. Second, in certain jurisdictions within the United States it is perfectly legal to carry a concealed handgun in my automobile, while driving down the Interstate at 130km/h drinking a beer. Allow me to suggest that if I were to attempt to do this in the Netherlands, the fact that it was entirely permissible within my own country would not carry much weight with the Dutch police, or the Dutch people in general. They hold certain views on drinking, driving and firearms and have legally and properly enshrined their views in the laws of the land. What gives me the right to go to their country and violate those laws becuase I don't feel like obeying them? I find it delicious with irony that Europeans are constantly complaining about either the extra-territoriality of American laws, or of "ugly Americans" ignoring the local customs and laws. Now we have Michiel considering it to be an "atrocity" where America chooses to enforce its own laws on child molestation on its own soil. Human rights used to be a noble cause and calling. If this is what it's stooped to, defending the "rights" of foreign child molesters, dictatorship is just around the corner because we've given rights such a bad name. Michiel, let's be clear about this situation. Menno B is a deplorable, criminal little pervert. He was not "framed" - that would imply that he did not intend to commit the act he is charged with. You are defending a criminal child abuser, and the fact that your nation doesn't have an applicable law on the books doesn't mean perverts like Menno can come to my country and behave as they wish. That's what national sovreignty is all about. (As a further hint: if you get an invite over the Internet to attend a giant keg party in Saudi Arabia, don't be surprised if you're arrested when you go there and they give you 40 lashes or chop your hand off or whatever it is they do there.) Continuing on my legalistic vein, I see Frank Vest continuing on regarding this Policy amendment. Being somewhat detached from the FidoNet echos these days, I'm not sure what policy amendment Frank is referring to this time. Is it the same non-amendment we had four months ago that essentially said "What is old is new, and the mechanism for Policy amendments will not change." Now were I to be a conspiracy theorist, I'd be convinced that Frank is trying to pull the wool over our eyes, by making the false claim that the change was announced in "last week's FidoNews". Well, I checked issue #25 of the Snooze for the word "policy" or "FIDOPOLS", and I couldn't find a darn thing. Is it because this change that Frank is referring to is FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 7 8 Jul 2002 non-existent in its effects as well as its content? I often am exposed to advertisments that advertise all sorts of wonderful benefits from the use of a particular product. After reading Frank's post, I'm feeling a tingly sense of deja vu. If all these wonderful changes stem from the non-amendment proposed (and panned by yours truly) several weeks ago, I'm going to have some real fun in next week's article. We'll see. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 8 8 Jul 2002 ================================================================= FIDONET WEB PAGE REVIEWS ================================================================= Some (not so) out of date Fidonet sites By Frank Vest 1:124/6308.1 Last week there was an article from Steve Townsley. In the article, he talked about some plus sides of Fidonet, but also mentioned some negative aspects. One negative was the lack of up to date web sites. Much as I would like to dispute Steve in his findings, I can not. There are too many Fidonet sites that are out of date, not maintained or just plain deserted and left to rot. So, with this article, I offer a short list of sites that are up to date and do have what I would call useful information. http://www.fidonet.ca This site is a good base site to start with. The information is fairly up to date. http://biseonline.com/r19 This is the Region 19 site. It is designed and maintained by me, Frank Vest, with the help and input of the Region. I can't promise total accuracy in all areas, but at least it is updated and has some useful information on it. :-) One can also find information on some BBS/Fidonet programs via the "help" page and, if you look hard enough, there is a link to a "Fidonet Search Engine" there. It's rather lean in results, but there, none the less. http://pages.sbcglobal.net/flv/ Not as up to date as it should be, this is the Collin County Station BBS site. Another site designed and "maintained" by Frank Vest. I know there are some rough spots in it. I'll admit to slacking on the maintenance. :) Still, it will point one to some places to look for info on Fidonet. http://www.fidonews.org/ What more can be said? This is the "Fidonews" site. It is well maintained. Not only can you read the great articles sent in by myself and others here, but there is a discussion forum, links to software, the Nodelist and other information of interest. Note should be taken that the webmaster of this site is no longer in Fidonet, but maintains the Fidonews site better than many who are "concerned" about Fidonet. Maybe some of us still in Fidonet should take lessons... or get off our ass and practice what we preach. Now that we have some "general" sites out of the way, let's get to some program sites and other aspects. http://pcmicro.com/netfoss/ NETFOSS allows DOS based BBS programs to to be used across any TCP/IP network, including the internet. FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 9 8 Jul 2002 NETFOSS is not a virtual modem. It will not support AT commands, and will not simulate a COM port. It is also not a telnet server. If this is what you are looking for, you should look at COM/IP (available from our home page). http://husky.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/ This is the "Husky" project page. The goal of this project is to develop a complete freeware suite of Fidonet applications, running under Linux and other multitasking/multiuser systems. The suite should be comparable to now existing (and partly commercial) OS/2 systems. Most of the software here is GPLed unless otherwise specified. To keep the configuration simple and reliable, all applications should use one set of configuration-files. http://www.allensoftware.com/ Home of Netmodem. A modem emulation program to allow Dos based communication programs to be accessed via TCP/IP http://net229.darktech.org/fidosetup/ This page is well done and is very helpful for those wanting to set up Synchronet BBS with Argus mailer for Fidonet. Of course, what would a list be without something for our Fidonet Points? :-) http://www.openxp.com/ The Open XP project CrossPoint (XP) is a text-based mailer for various BBS nets like FidoNet, Z-Net and MausNet as well as Internet mail and news. In December 1999 the author of CrossPoint, Peter Mandrella, released CrossPoint v3.20á sources to the public. Since then many people worked on these sources - OpenXP has been born. http://www.apoint-mail.de/ APoint ist ein Programm zum Erstellen, Lesen, Verschicken und Empfangen von Mails. Es beherrscht sowohl die im Internet als auch die im FidoNet verwendeten Techniken. Fr den Einsatz im Internet stellt APoint einen E-Mail-Client und Offline-Newsreader dar. Fr den Einsatz im FidoNet ist APoint ein komplettes Pointprogramm. {ENGLISH] APoint is a program for writing, reading, sending and receiving of Mail. It can handle the techniques used in Internet as well as those used in FidoNet. For the use in the Internet APoint provides an E-Mail client and an offline newsreader. For the use in FidoNet APoint is a complete point program. So, this is a short list of sites that I know about. Yes, Virginia, there is a Fidonet out there. It's not impossible to find. It is in the heart and soul of all of us that love it and keep it going. :) Regards and best wishes, Frank Vest - Sysop, Collin County Station FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 10 8 Jul 2002 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 11 8 Jul 2002 ================================================================= FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN ================================================================= Beginner Baked Chicken #1 Yield: 8 Servings 1 Whole Chicken, 3 lbs or less 1 sm Bag pepperidge farm stuffing Salt and Pepper to taste 3 tb Water Ok, having seen not just a few queries from folks who want to cook but dont have the starting know-how, here is a really easy thing to make. Nothing is more simple than baking a chicken. Its just the fancy additives others do that make it sound hard. This one is a basic stuffed chicken, affordable for the average college student as well as the new homeowner. The servings say '8' but that is based on just a small portion each. It will definately feed 2, but 3 hungry kids will devour this poste-haste! Start by having a defrosted chicken on hand. Defost it in the refridgerator 1 day before use or buy it unfrozen. Remove gizzard package from the tummy area and save that for a soup pot. Now mix up the pepperidge farm stuffing according to directions. Dont eat any as it cooks! Wash your hands and stuff the bird, then wash your hands and the pot you made the stuffing in (Mommie knows best this time. Chickens are crawling with buggies that die when you cook it but arent safe raw). Now put that stuffed bird in a pan that is at least 1 inch deep but more is better. A old pie pan or a slightly 'used' cake pan will do. If you put foil under it, it is a really fast cleanup later. Put the chicken in the oven at 425 degrees, for 1 hour then look at it. Try to lift a leg with a fork and if it wants to fall off, it's ready. If the flesh is still white and the leg fights back, its not ready. Check again in another 1/2 hour. Eat and enjoy! Things to serve with this are many but here are some *easy* ones. A small handful of raw veggies like carrots, yellow squash, green beans, pea pods or the more traditional salad of lettuce. A potato or so baked at the same time in the hot oven as the chicken. Crusty baking soda cheese bread. From: xxcarol ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 12 8 Jul 2002 ================================================================= CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES ================================================================= Eve's problem One day in the Garden of Eden, Eve calls out to God. "Lord, I have a problem!" "What's the problem Eve?" "Lord, I know you created me and provided this beautiful garden and all these wonderful animals and that hilarious comedic snake, but I'm just not happy." "Why is that, Eve?" came the reply from above. "Lord, I'm lonely, and I'm sick to death of eating apples." "Well Eve, in that case, I have a solution. I shall create a man for you." "What's a man Lord?" "This man will be a flawed creature, with many bad traits. He'll lie, cheat, and be vainglorious, all in all, he'll give you a hard time. But...He'll be bigger, faster and will like to hunt and kill things. I'll create him in such a way that he will satisfy your physical needs. He will be witless and will revel in childish things like fighting and kicking a ball about. He wont be too smart, so he'll also need your advice to think properly." "Sounds great." Says Eve, with an ironically raised eyebrow. "What's the catch Lord?" "Well...you can have him on one condition." "What's that Lord?" "As I said, he'll be proud, arrogant and self-admiring....so you'll have to let him believe that I made him first. Just remember, it's our little secret. You know, woman to woman." ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 13 8 Jul 2002 Italian Affair By Warren Bonner A wealthy American man was having an affair with an Italian woman for a few years. One night, during a rendezvous, she confided to him that she was pregnant. Not wanting to ruin his reputation or his marriage, he told her he would pay her a large sum of money if she would go to Italy to have the child. If she stayed there, he would also provide child support until the child turned 18. She agreed, but wondered how he would know when the baby is born. To keep it discreet, he told her to mail him a postcard, and write "Spaghetti" on the back. He would then arrange for child support. One day, about nine months later, he came home to his confused wife. "Honey," she said, "you received a very strange postcard today." "Oh, just give it to me and I'll explain it later," he said. The wife did as she was asked, and watched as her husband read the card, turned white and fainted. On the card was written "Spaghetti, spaghetti, spaghetti. Two with meatballs, one without." Ol'wdb ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 14 8 Jul 2002 ================================================================= TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= Fidonet Software List By Todd Cochrane Type: B=BBS D=Door M=Mailer T=Tosser C=Communication (terminal) U=Utility P=Point Software I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...) <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+> ( Software Name ) |Type| ( Author/Contact ) <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+> |BBBS Home Page |B | b@bbbs.net | | | | www.bbbs.net/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |ELEBBS The Elevator |B | elebbs@elebbs.com | |Software Production | | www.elebbs.com | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Hermes II Project |B | info@HermesII.org | | | | http://www.hermesii.org/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Maximus BBS Support |B | sales@lainus.com | |Page (Non Official) | | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |MBSE BBS |B | Michiel Broek | | | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net | | | | http://mbse.sourceforge.net | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Mystic BBS |B | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/ | | | | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Nexus Bulletin |B | groberts@nexusbbs.net | |Board System | | http://www.nexusbbs.net/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Proboard, Searchlight, |BC | info@telegrafix.com | |Telegrafix | | http://www.telegrafix.com | |Communications | | 540-678-4050 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |RemoteAccess |B | Bruce Morse | |Central | | bfmorse@rapro.com | | | | http://www.rapro.com/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Spitfire BBS |B | MDWoltz@AOL.COM | |Buffalo Creek Software | |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Synchronet BBS |BT | sysop@vert.synchro.net | | | | http://www.synchro.net | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Telegard BBS |B | support@telegard.net | | | | http://www.telegard.net/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Wildcat Interactive |BTMI| sales@santronics.com | |Net Server | | http://www.santronics.com | FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 15 8 Jul 2002 |Plantinum Express | |(305)248-3204 | | | | Santronics Inc. | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Bentstone Capabilities |D | info@stonebenders.com | |Group | | http://www.srupc.com/mall | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Jibben 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|-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Sunrise Door Software |D |Al Lawerence | | | |al@sunrisedoors.com | | | |(404)256-9518 | | | |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |The Brainex System |D |info@brainex.com | | | |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Trade Wars Door Game |D |jpritch@eisonline.com | | | |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ | | | |1:299/110 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Vagabond Software |D |Bryan Turner | | | |vagabond@darktech.org | | | |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/ | | | |1:124/7013 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |FMail Support |T |wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org | | | |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/ | | | |2:280/1076 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Squish Tosser |T |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Argus RITLABS |M |argus@ritlabs.com | | | |373-2-246889 | | | |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ | FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 16 8 Jul 2002 | | |2:469/84 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |FrontDoor |MTPC|Definite Solutions | |FrontDoor APX | |sales@defsol.se | |Mailer/Point Software | |http://www.defsol.se/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |BeeMail Home Page |M |http://beemail.gexonline.net | | | |Stephen Proffit | | | |1:211/405 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/ | |Frontend Mailer | | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |BinkD |MI |maloff@corbina.net | | | |http://2f.ru/binkd/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Fidogate |UIT |Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net | | | |http://www.fidogate.org/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Fidonet to Internet |IM |Bo Bendtsen | |Mailer | |sales@terminate.com | | | |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |GiGo Software |UI |http://www.gigo.com/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Internet Rex |IM |cruden@cs.ualberta.ca | | | |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Tmail |IM |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm | |(Russian /w English DL)| | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |TransX Multiboard |M |support@multiboard.com | |Communications Inc. | |http://www.multiboard.com/software/ | | | |transx.html | | | |1:2401/305 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |TransNet |I |transnet@ressl.com.ar | | | 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UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c 218/109 | Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c 220/10 | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c 229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c 229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? | 229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c 261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c 275/311 | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1 |n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c 323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 393/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c 379/1 | Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c 2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c 2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c 2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c 2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/1275 | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c 3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c 3830/9 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP FTP IFCICO VMoT UUE|?|? -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c 28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c 47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 53/558 |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|?? 201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c 201/505 | G”ran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c 201/600 | H†kan Andersson |BinkP,FTP |512kbps| n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k | n/c 211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c 221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c 255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c 263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 21 8 Jul 2002 280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 280/1601 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c 280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c 292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/534 | Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c 341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | | 341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | | 343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | | 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 | Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | | 348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | | 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c 2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 22 8 Jul 2002 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c 774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 801/161 | Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 6 65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free 653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free 654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free 654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * TX = TransX * NFS = Linux Networking * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer * QWK = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.fidotel.com (currently offline) news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 23 8 Jul 2002 ================================================================= SPECIAL INTEREST ================================================================= Nodelist Stats Input nodelist nodelist.186 size 1093.6kb date 2002-07-05 The nodelist has 9827 nodes in it and a total of 12688 non-comment entries including 6 zones 63 regions 465 hosts 673 hubs admin overhead 1207 ( 12.28 %) and 940 private nodes 322 nodes down 392 nodes on hold off line overhead 1654 ( 16.83 %) Speed summary: >9600 = 922 ( 9.38 %) 9600 = 8404 ( 85.52 %) (HST = 180 or 2.14 %) (CSP = 1 or 0.01 %) (PEP = 12 or 0.14 %) (MAX = 0 or 0.00 %) (HAY = 1 or 0.01 %) (V32 = 4698 or 55.90 %) (V32B = 498 or 5.93 %) (V34 = 5632 or 67.02 %) (V42 = 4643 or 55.25 %) (V42B = 519 or 6.18 %) 2400 = 105 ( 1.07 %) 1200 = 7 ( 0.07 %) 300 = 389 ( 3.96 %) ISDN = 996 ( 10.14 %) ---------------------------------------------------------- File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems ---------------------------------------------------------- XA Frontdoor <1.99b 3538 Frontdoor 2.02+ Dutchie 2.90c Binkleyterm >2.1 D'Bridge <1.3 TIMS Xenia -------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 24 8 Jul 2002 XB Binkleyterm 2.0 8 Dutchie 2.90b -------------------------------------- XC Opus 1.1 10 -------------------------------------- XP Seadog 6 -------------------------------------- XR Opus 1.03 58 -------------------------------------- XW Fido >12M 393 Tabby KittenMail -------------------------------------- XX D'Bridge 1.30 4380 Frontdoor 1.99b Intermail 2.01 T-Mail -------------------------------------- None QMM 1434 -------------------------------------- CrashMail capable = 3160 ( 32.16 %) MailOnly nodes = 5322 ( 54.16 %) Listed-only nodes = 771 ( 7.85 %) Other = 574 ( 5.84 %) [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100] [ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-27 Page 25 8 Jul 2002 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= How to Submit an Article If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here are some guidelines, if you send it as an attached file; the preferred method if you want reasonable control over how the published article will appear in the Fidonews: a) Plain ASCII text. 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