The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 14 08 Apr 2002 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are | | | FidoNet community. | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings| | | | | San Francisco, California, USA | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Crash netmail articles to: | | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-944907) | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | Routed netmail articles to: | | \_______\(_| /_) | Bjorn Felten @ 2:203/0 | | _ @/_ \ _ | Email attach to: | | | | \ \\ | bfelten@telia.com | | | (*) | \ ))| | | |__U__| / \// | Editor: Bj”rn Felten | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally. Table of Contents 1. INSIDE ................................................... 1 The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 1 2. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 2 Catcalls from the Cheap Seats ............................ 2 3. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN .......................... 7 Japanese Fish Balls #1 ................................... 7 4. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ...................................... 8 BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL LIVES! #11 .................. 8 Double meanings .......................................... 9 5. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................. 11 Fidonet Software List .................................... 11 6. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 15 Fidonet-related Sites .................................... 15 7. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 20 Nodelist Stats ........................................... 20 8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 22 How to Submit an Article ................................. 22 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 23 FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 1 8 Apr 2002 ================================================================= INSIDE ================================================================= The Fidonews at a Glance This is going to be another thin issue. Only our faithful catcaller sent in an article this week. As usual it's labeled "Catcalls from the cheap seats". Then I picked one of a handful of jokes from Ol'WDB, an excercise in english you might call it, showing some examples of "Double meanings". "Bastard operator from hell" is slowly approaching the final episode with this week's number 11. Carols Japanese cooking is also on the final. This week we learn how to make "Japanese fishballs". ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 2 8 Apr 2002 ================================================================= GENERAL ARTICLES ================================================================= Catcalls from the Cheap Seats By Luke Kolin I'm touched, Bjorn, that I've managed to elicit so many responses in recent weeks. I got a hearty laugh out of Bob Short's piece, until I read the last sentence - this comes from 1997. It's amazing to think how far the online world has come in just the last five years. Instead of netmail that allows me to send a message to another BBS in 48-72 hours, I get e-mail that sends to everywhere in the world in seconds. I can chat with not just the sysop, but 40 million AOL users. I can probably find that beating a dead horse is a felony in the state of Georgia, after that Tri-State crematorium nonsense. (Note to Bob: Anachronists Anonymous meets every second Tuesday at the YMCA down the street. "Hi, my name is Bob. I don't believe in the universal franchise, I use a horse and buggy, and the Interstate Highway System should be replaced by canals. Oh, and I call a BBS regularly.") On a less vexatious note, let me thank you for forwarding Peter Karlsson's response to me about the motorway system in Scandinavia. I've truly learned something. It seems, my good editor, that my ranting about the Unified Doctrinaire Marxist-Lenninist Revolutionary Party seems to have brought at least one of its members out of the proverbial woodwork. I'm delighted to take on the opportunity to defend the American system of health care, as well as taking a few more shots at my native land at the same time. Andrea Santos, to begin with, has missed the main thrust of my argument (as do most Canadians) - she remains so relentlessly focused on the failings of the US system that she, by her own admission, she refuses to deal with the comparison aspect. She also refuses to notice the link I'm making to FidoNet's situation. In the spirit of true believers everywhere, she promptly proceeds to dismiss all other considerations as being secondary to pure, unwavering dedication to her pet cause. Despite the homespun admonition in these parts against wrestling with a pig (you end up covered in crap, and the pig enjoys it) a good columnist never misses the opportunity to hoist anchor and sail into battle with his critics. Let me begin by stating that I've never questioned the truthfulness of my sister's argument, only its relevance. Yes, the 40 million number is true. However, the fact that 40 million Americans are uninsured cannot excuse the fact that 30 million Canadians are uninsured. I can turn around and say that several billion Africans, Indians and Chinese don't have adequate health insurance - which is just as irrelevant to the Canadian health care system as Andrea's quote. So there - my number is bigger than yours! What is relevant is that number is trotted out by every apologist for the Canadian health care system. No, you can't see a doctor for several weeks at a time. If you die waiting for surgery, too bad - still, you're doing your fellow suffering citizens a favour by FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 3 8 Apr 2002 reducing the waiting list. But 40 million Americans are uninsured, so our system is better! Let me suggest that the American system does have one significant advantage - they're at least honest. If you don't have insurance, you know it. In Canada, 35% of your income gets swallowed into a pit and you think you have insurance, until you get sick. As a recent arrival in the US (so new, I'm not even considered an 'immigrant' yet), I'm somewhat puzzled that Andrea would consider Medicare recipients to be lumped into the '1 in 3' Americans [hmmm... from 40 million to now 100 million?] with no health insurance coverage. Is it because she considers government health insurance to be worthless? In such a case, she has no right to criticise me. I've just come from a country where I am forced to carry government health insurance, and it is a crime for me to purchase private health insurance - never mind for a doctor to accept such insurance. To be honest, I don't believe for a minute that having Medicare isn't considered health insurance. If there's one basic truism about American politics, it's that the blue rinse crowd votes - every time. If there's a runoff in the primary for a special election to elect an interim deputy county pest control commissioner, they're out in force while my generation is sitting on the porch drinking beer and listening to the baseball game. If they didn't have adequate health care, every Congressman would hear about it and Medicare would been reformed as quickly as the clerks of the House and Senate could pass the bill down the corridors of the Capitol. Unless, of course, they recognise that cheap health coverage isn't always economically feasiable. At that point the odds of reform drop to only 50/50. It would be an interesting comparison to see how much the average American pays in premiums over the course of a year, and how much this coverage costs. My costs, split between myself and my employer, for a family of three, are around $8,000 per year. When my wife gives birth or requires out-patient in-hospital treatment, the costs can easily climb into several hundred dollars a day. Add to this approximately a half-dozen doctors' vists per year for my daughter and approximately two visits for myself, we're easily ratcheting up over $8,000 per year in costs. Now how on Earth is any organisation expected to provide $8,000 worth of care if they only get $2,000 worth of premiums? The conundrum faced in health care is similar to that faced by child care workers. There are two entirely incompatible desires in child care - there's a shortage of affordable child care, and there aren't enough good people in the industry because the pay stinks. I don't need to be Milton Friedman to figure out that if you raise wages to attract people, the cost goes up and it's no longer affordable. How long will it take folks like Andrea to figure out that you need to put IN at least as much as gets taken OUT? In an effort to bolster my proletarian credentials, let me inform our readers that in April of 2001, my position (and the positions of all but three Atlanta-based employees at my former employer) was terminated, just as my wife was in her eighth month of pregnancy. Not FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 4 8 Apr 2002 even being a permanent resident, I was ineleigible for any sort of government assistance, even things like Unemployment Insurance that have been contributed to on my behalf. The horror-mongers among you I'm sure would have me losing medical coverage, Lynne giving birth in a back-alley, financial bankruptcy, etc. etc. Instead, my costs went up $500/month as I paid the premiums myself for my existing coverage, as specified by the 1983 COBRA (short for the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, not some funky military operation code word). Kept the same doctor, had a flawless birth and at the end of the day, I was out $200 for my out-of-pocket expenses. Seven weeks after Meghan was born, I found a new job, with a new HMO. We were able to keep all our old doctors, each of our pre-existing conditions were covered. Life was, and remains, good. I cannot speak for Andrea's condition. I can only speak for mine, and the condition of all of my friends'. None of us has ever had a problem. Some annoying paperwork hassles perhaps, but overall the quality of care has not suffered, and is light years ahead of what we received in Canada. I got my weekly chuckle when Andrea suggested that I was one of the corporate drones who's been successfully duped by his employer all these years. I expect to be told that I have nothing to lose but my chains. I must contend that since I've arrived in the United States, my pay went up 60% to its peak, and recently declined 8% in the dot-com implosion. I really haven't felt the health care cost explosion bite into my pay yet. But let's assume that health care keeps growing in expense and cost. What do we do, as a question of public policy? First off, if health care costs are growing, it's entirely reasonable that it's going to come out of my pay. Non-wage and benefit costs for employees are a basic cost of doing business. If we want health care to remain affordable, we've got to cut costs somehow. And the only way to do so is reduce service levels, or artifical means. Canada uses artificial means. In 1992, the Ministry of Health moroncrats decided that if there were fewer doctors, health care costs would decrease. (I will save the obvious dig that health care costs could be eliminated altogether if we had no doctors at all - which is why health care isn't a drain on the budget in Afghanistan.) Ten years later, they're awakening to the fact that, as I mentioned earlier, they have large areas in the country without doctors or specialists. (So Andrea, what is better - to have doctors but no insurance, or insurance but no doctors?) They've also decided to stop paying doctors once they bill a certain amount, and threaten to revoke the licenses of doctors who decide to stop working once they hit that limit. Charming, a "world class" health care that depends on turning doctors into indentured servants, forced to work for nothing. As I recall, the Thirteenth or Fourteenth Amendments to the US Constitution got rid of that sort of thing 140 years ago. The only other option you have is to reduce service levels - which Canada has already done. It's too expensive to have hospital beds, so entire wards are shut down. And then we wonder why patients are lined FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 5 8 Apr 2002 up in the hallways. What Andrea hasn't answered is how you can pay, month in and month out, $250/month into the system, and get more than $3000 per year of service out of it. In a capitalistic system, if there's money to be made in something, a company will have the coverage Andrea wants for a price she is willing to pay. Which means that either the regulatory regime in her state is too restrictive, or it's a money losing proposition to offer full coverage at this price level. So who, pray tell, is expected to pay extra money (and get nothing in return) to subsidise this? If you want the employer to, that's fine. And as you increase non-wage costs you reduce take home pay (as you yourself suggested) or reduce the number of jobs available for lower income folks. Should the government pay? Considering the huge groundswell of support (not) that accompanied former Senator Bill Bradley's run for President in 2000, I can tell you that this option has been tried and rejected by the American populace. The reason for Sen. Bradley's poor showing (against Al Gore, who makes Michael Dukakis look charismatic) was simply put, most Americans already have adequate health care and have bigger issues on their plate. And those 40 million obviously aren't bothered enough by their uninsurance to get out and vote to change that situation. The ones that do have coverage don't care about the ones that don't, as Andrea correctly points out. However, after dismissing much of my article about Canadians because it didn't address her pet concern, it's a little rich of her to lambas te the majority of covered Americans for engaging in that same behavior. That last observation flies completely in the face of Andrea's claim that no politician has the guts to stand up and fix health care. Former Senator Bill Bradley made that universal health care a cornerstone of his campaign for President two years ago - I don't think he managed to win a single primary. Part of that stems from the strong opposition of unions, and if Andrea wants to argue that unions don't help the average worker, I'm happy to join her on that front. However, the fact remains that Americans have been given the opportunity to vote for universal health care in 2000, and chose not to. Let me also mention to Andrea that Americans had the opportunity to vote for universal health care in 1994, when Hillary Clinton's Canadian-style plan was being bandied about. They responded by giving the Democratic party its worst Congressional decimation since the 1920s. In 2000, when Hillary ran for the US Senate, did she take the opportunity to advance her biggest political cause? Of course not - she may be amoral, but she's smart enough to know that doing so would have made Rudy Giuliani a controversial and mediocre Senator, instead of the public citizen (and minor deity) he is today. The reason why Andrea will never get what she wants, is that what she wants is to get something, and then have someone else foot the bill. I wouldn't for a moment suggest that adequate health care is not a social imperative, but I don't believe that people have an inalienable right to see any doctor any time for any reason. (Nor do I want to see *ANY* doctor, as Andrea seems to insist upon. I just want to see *MY* FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 6 8 Apr 2002 doctor.) I personally think that no person deserves to live in a US public housing complex. That doesn't mean I should be footing the bill for a free house for everyone. Everyone has a right to move around the country (and mobility rights are far more defined and historic than a nebulous "right" to health care), but that doesn't mean that every American has the right to a free car or bus fare to anywhere in the continental US. What gets my goat is that my generation is the one left holding the bag for folks like Andrea. I'm already compelled to contribute to Social Security, a legalised pyramid scheme - if a private investment company offered a retirement package that worked like Social Security, they'd be in violation of every securities law on the books - which everyone admits will go broke before I ever collect a penny. In the name of "fairness" and equality, the Canadian middle class has been driven almost out of existence by ruinous taxation and debt - and their only political choices are either more of the same, or a tax cut that gives them an extra $50/year, but allows a stockbroker to keep so much more of his six figure bonus that his wife gets a new Boxster for her birthday every third year. Every year Toronto gets more polarised between the rich and the poor, and the average folks either get poorer or get going. Call me selfish, but my generation has been left on the short end of the demographic eq uation so many times I've grown cynical. All I want to get out of the system is what I put in. If Andrea believes in universal health care, she should move to Canada and live there for a few years. She'll never pay a penny in health insurance premiums. She'll be able to see any doctor she wants - provided the doctor wants to see her. Most don't take new patients. She'll be able to go to any hospital she wants for any procedure - provided that the doctors capable of providing said procedure haven't moved out of the province, and after spending between two and six months on the waiting list. Sure hope she doesn't have an agressively spreading tumor - of course, if she did she'd be back in the US overnight to get the urgent treatment she deserves. You see, the United States believes that it's immoral to deny someone urgently needed care because they can't afford it. In Canada, it's considered immoral to let someone jump the queue for urgently needed care because they can afford it - so they deny care until that person's number comes up (pardon the pun.) ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 7 8 Apr 2002 ================================================================= FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN ================================================================= *Japanese Fish Balls #1 2 c Cooked flaked fish (white) 1 c Milk 7 tb Flour 1 ts Salt 1/8 ts Wasabi powder 3 tb Oil 1/2 ts Worstershire sauce 3 ts Grated onion 1 ea Egg Bread crumbs or Panko Here's one for the 'Something New Jan 2002 theme' from Japan. It's not far off a greek recipe but I learned to make it here. Call these alternatively 'Japanese Meatballs made with Fish'. To start, mix the flour, salt, wasabi, and oil in a pan then cook over a low heat until it's thickened. Remove it from the heat and add the Worstershire, onion, and flaked pre-cooked (leftover) fish. The fish traditionally here would be a stronger flavored one but I adapted to 'whitefish' for the masses. Let this chill in the fridge. Beat the egg with 2 TB water. Shape the chilled thick mix into balls then roll into balls (about a TS each), then roll in flour. Dip again in egg wash then in either panko or breadcrumbs. Cook in a deep fat fryer at 350 degrees until well browned and drain on paper towels. Serve warm with toothpicks. Locally, one would add something pickled or sweet (or sweet pickled) above it such as: Sweet pickled watermelon rind, Gingered plum bit. From the kitchen of: xxcarol ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 8 8 Apr 2002 ================================================================= CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ================================================================= BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL LIVES! #11 The darkness cleared as we got out of the tunnel and it occurred to me that I couldn't be all that injured. Then again, maybe I was. Someone was going to p.. I died. Of course, a true BOFH considers this not really as dying, but more of going home for the holidays. Five seconds later, I'm getting the upside of 15Kv across the nipples. (These ambulance guys sure know how to party). BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL LIVES! Three weeks later I'm back on my backside and feeling rested at relaxed behind the console again. The rest has done me good, I feel *great!*. I catch up on everyone's email then let the students know I'm back by performing an impromptu preventative maintenance in the middle of lab time by kicking the restart switch (They love it really) I flip today's excuse card, "GLOBAL WARMING" YES YES YES! What a welcome home! It's the end of the month so all those automatic email reminder programs will be sending messages all over the place. I set the system clock back 7 days to buy some peace and quiet and swap the printer ribbon for the three year old one with holes in it. I sort through my snail mail and crack open the BOFH Monthly Newsletter, "kill -9" and check out the articles therein. There's a nice peice of making OS2 slow, boring and painful, but it looks exactly like the OS2 installation instructions to me... Ah, who knows. I head straight to the BOFH Wizard section to see if any of my articles were published. All of them!!! Even the one about the c compiler that randomly removes one line from the source code it's compiling! The phone rings. "The Screen on my PC is blank!!!" "It's the power cord" I say "No, I checked that. When I switch it on, it does nothing!" "It's the power cord" I say "No, I checked and it's all plugged in properly. There's no lights on the keyboard or anything" FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 9 8 Apr 2002 "It's the power cord" I say "Oh. I just noticed, the cord's not plugged in properly!" "The power cord?" I ask "Yes... Woopsy" "No worries at all" I say "Is it all working well now?" "Yes, I think so. I'm sorry, you WERE right all along" "Yes, we're getting a lot of this, it's due to the current Global Warming problem. It causes random thermal expansion and contraction resulting in temperature induced movement of friction based holding mechanisms.." I listen carefully. Nothing. In other words, clunk!< I hang up as the receiver hits the floor. Disk space is too good for them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Double meanings... By Warren Bonner Two vultures board an airplane, each carrying two dead raccoons. The stewardess looks at them and says, "I'm sorry, gentlemen, only one carrion allowed per passenger." FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 10 8 Apr 2002 Two boll weevils grew up in South Carolina. One went to Hollywood and became a famous actor. The other stayed behind in the cotton fields and never amounted to much. The second one, naturally, became known as the lesser of two weevils. Two Eskimos sitting in a kayak were chilly, but when they lit a fire in the craft, it sank, proving once again that you can't have your kayak and heat it, too. A three-legged dog walks into a saloon in the Old West. He slides up to the bar and announces, "I'm looking for the man who shot my paw." A woman has twins and gives them up for adoption. One of them goes to a family in Egypt and is named "Ahmal." The other goes to a family in Spain, they name him "Juan." Years later, Juan sends a picture of himself to his birth mother. Upon receiving the picture, she tells her husband that she wishes she also had a picture of Ahmal. Her husband responds, "They're twins! If you've seen Juan, you've seen Ahmal." These friars were behind on their belfry payments, so they opened up a small florist shop to raise funds. Since everyone liked to buy flowers from the men of God, a rival florist across town thought the competition was unfair. He asked the good fathers to close down, but they would not. He went back and begged the friars to close. They ignored him. So, the rival florist hired Hugh MacTaggart, the roughest and most vicious thug in town to "persuade" them to close. Hugh beat up the friars and trashed their store, saying he'd be back if they didn't close up shop. Terrified, they did so, thereby proving that Hugh, and only Hugh....... can prevent florist friars. Mahatma Gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time, which produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet. He also ate very little, which made him rather frail and with his odd diet, he suffered from bad breath. This made him ....what? (Oh, man, this is so bad, it's good) A super calloused fragile mystic hexed by halitosis. And finally, there was the person who sent ten different puns to friends, with the hope that at least one of the puns would make them laugh. Unfortunately, no pun in ten did. That's All Folks! 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UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c 218/109 | Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c 220/10 | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c 229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c 229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? | 229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c 249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c 250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c 261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c 275/311 | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1 |n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c 323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 360/5 | Bennie Hutto | FTP VMoT | aDSL | n/c 379/1 | Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkP VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c 396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c 2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c 2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c 2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c 2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/1275 | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c 3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c 28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c 47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 53/558 |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|?? 201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c 201/505 | Goran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c 201/600 | H†kan Andersson |BinkP,FTP |512kbps| n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k | n/c 211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c 221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c 255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c 263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 18 8 Apr 2002 280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 280/1601 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c 280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c 292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c 292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c 292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/534 | Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c 341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | | 341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | | 343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | | 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 | Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | | 348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | | 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c 2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 19 8 Apr 2002 Zone 3 633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c 774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 801/161 | Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 6 65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free 653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free 654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free 654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * TX = TransX * NFS = Linux Networking * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer * QWK = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.fidotel.com (currently offline) news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 20 8 Apr 2002 ================================================================= SPECIAL INTEREST ================================================================= Nodelist Stats Input nodelist nodelist.095 size 1117.2kb date 2002-04-05 The nodelist has 10046 nodes in it and a total of 12950 non-comment entries including 6 zones 63 regions 470 hosts 691 hubs admin overhead 1230 ( 12.24 %) and 908 private nodes 357 nodes down 409 nodes on hold off line overhead 1674 ( 16.66 %) Speed summary: >9600 = 929 ( 9.25 %) 9600 = 8599 ( 85.60 %) (HST = 185 or 2.15 %) (CSP = 1 or 0.01 %) (PEP = 13 or 0.15 %) (MAX = 0 or 0.00 %) (HAY = 1 or 0.01 %) (V32 = 4826 or 56.12 %) (V32B = 509 or 5.92 %) (V34 = 5734 or 66.68 %) (V42 = 4713 or 54.81 %) (V42B = 532 or 6.19 %) 2400 = 108 ( 1.08 %) 1200 = 6 ( 0.06 %) 300 = 404 ( 4.02 %) ISDN = 1052 ( 10.47 %) ---------------------------------------------------------- File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems ---------------------------------------------------------- XA Frontdoor <1.99b 3658 Frontdoor 2.02+ Dutchie 2.90c Binkleyterm >2.1 D'Bridge <1.3 TIMS Xenia -------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 21 8 Apr 2002 XB Binkleyterm 2.0 8 Dutchie 2.90b -------------------------------------- XC Opus 1.1 10 -------------------------------------- XP Seadog 6 -------------------------------------- XR Opus 1.03 62 -------------------------------------- XW Fido >12M 397 Tabby KittenMail -------------------------------------- XX D'Bridge 1.30 4465 Frontdoor 1.99b Intermail 2.01 T-Mail -------------------------------------- None QMM 1440 -------------------------------------- CrashMail capable = 3282 ( 32.67 %) MailOnly nodes = 5429 ( 54.04 %) Listed-only nodes = 784 ( 7.80 %) Other = 551 ( 5.48 %) [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100] [ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-14 Page 22 8 Apr 2002 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= How to Submit an Article If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here are some guidelines, if you send it as an attached file; the preferred method if you want reasonable control over how the published article will appear in the Fidonews: a) Plain ASCII text. 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