The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 11 18 Mar 2002 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are | | | FidoNet community. | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings| | | | | San Francisco, California, USA | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Crash netmail articles to: | | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-944907) | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | Routed netmail articles to: | | \_______\(_| /_) | Bjorn Felten @ 2:203/0 | | _ @/_ \ _ | Email attach to: | | | | \ \\ | bfelten@telia.com | | | (*) | \ ))| | | |__U__| / \// | Editor: Bj”rn Felten | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally. Table of Contents 1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1 2. INSIDE ................................................... 2 The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 2 3. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 3 Netiquette: Replying to messages ......................... 3 4. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN .......................... 7 Japanese Stuffed Squid ................................... 7 5. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ...................................... 8 BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #9 ............................ 8 Tithing .................................................. 9 6. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................. 11 Fidonet Software List .................................... 11 7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 15 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 15 8. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 20 Nodelist Stats ........................................... 20 9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 22 How to Submit an Article ................................. 22 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 23 FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 1 18 Mar 2002 ================================================================= FOOD FOR THOUGHT ================================================================= "Tact is the art of convincing people, that they know more than you do." ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 2 18 Mar 2002 ================================================================= INSIDE ================================================================= The Fidonews at a Glance This week the number of contributions was zero! Not one single article has been sent in. I hope you forgive this editor if he finds it difficult to find the inspiration for writing an editorial... All I can offer, beside Carols Japanese Kitchen, where she's cooking "Japanese Stuffed Squid" and a joke from Ol'Wdb "to keep handy" as he expressed it, called "Tithing" plus the ninth episode of "Bastard Operator From Hell", is a text, that I saved from a Fidonet Echo, and that I think deserves a better destiny than just to be ignored by the handful of remaining writers in the echo, that seem to be completely occupied by bashing each other. It's a text about "Netiquette: Replying to messages" from as far away as South Africa. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 3 18 Mar 2002 ================================================================= GENERAL ARTICLES ================================================================= HOW TO REPLY TO MESSAGES - SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR NETIQETTE By: Stephen Hayes, 5:7106/20 Khanya BBS, Pretoria, South Africa With the growth of the Internet, there are many newcomers to electronic communications, who are unfamiliar with the culture and etiquette (called netiquette) of electronic messaging. One of the things that often causes problems for newcomers (newbies) is replying to messages. Here is the way most experienced users reply to messages in "many-to-many" electronic forums -- Usenet newsgroups, BBS con- ferences, and e-mail mailing lists. Some forums are available in all three formats, and are gated from one to the other. You read these messages with a "Reader", which may be a mail reader, a newsreader, an offline reader, or it may be called a "message editor". Each of these has different ways of doing things, but when you reply to a message you should get a copy of the message with the original text preceded by a "greater than" sign, like this: > Can anyone help me? I am looking for a widget > produced by the XYZ manufacturing company. Are > they still in business. Some readers, especially BBS ones, will put the initials of the sender of the original message before the "greater than" sign. So if the sender was John Smith, the quoted text will appear like this: JS> Can anyone help me? I am looking for a widget JS> produced by the XYZ manufacturing company. Are JS> they still in business. Most readers will display such text in a different colour, so it is easy to see who wrote what. This process is usually called "reply quoting". When displaying the quoted text your message editor should also put the cursor at the top of the quoted text. What you do next is the important part. If the quoted text consists of several paragraphs, scroll down through it and delete the parts you are NOT replying to. If you delete several paragraphs that are significant for the argument, it is polite to put FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 4 18 Mar 2002 on a line on its own, separated by spaces, to show that you are not ignoring the argument. When you reach a paragraph to which you want to make a specific reply, leave a BLANK LINE after the quoted paragraph, and begin your reply there. If you do not leave a blank line, and if you do not use the "greater than" sign to mark quoted test, many message readers will not be able to distinguish between the various parts of the message. If you want to *communicate*, and get useful replies to messages, follow these guidelines to make it easy for those who read your messages. If you make it easier, you are more likely to get constructive and useful replies. -- Example begins -- > Can anyone help me? I am looking for a widget > produced by the XYZ manufacturing company. Are > they still in business. The XYZ company went bankrupt in 1623, but their products are still stocked by the QRM Company whose e-mail address is qrm@obsolete.com. -- Example ends -- Note that the answer to the question should follow the question. Putting the answer before the question is called "top posting", and is bad manners (bad netiquette). If you reply in the manner shown above, it is easy for anyone reading the message to see what the question is, and what question the answer is supposed to be answering. That will make it easy someone who didn't see the original question, but who has more information on the topic, to contribute more information. -- Example begins -- >> Can anyone help me? I am looking for a widget >> produced by the XYZ manufacturing company. Are >> they still in business. > The XYZ company went bankrupt in 1623, but their products > are still stocked by the QRM Company whose e-mail address is > qrm@obsolete.com. I have had better service from the DQX Company, who not only distribute and service the Widgets, but are also developing a better product, which will be called a Super-widget. Contact them at dqx@updated.com. -- Example ends -- FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 5 18 Mar 2002 Top posting separates these elements, sometimes with a lot of irrelevant material in between, which makes it much harder to follow the thread of the discussion. If you separate the parts with a lot of irrelevant text, as top- posting does, you will just annoy readers, and their attention will be more on the bad formatting of your message than on its content, and so you are less likely to get useful replies. Some general guidelines for posting and replying When you post a message or reply to one in a "many-to-many" electronic forum, whether it is a newsgroup, an e-mail mailing list or a BBS conference (echo), the following guidelines are not only good netiquette, but will make communication easier. 1) Make sure that MIME encoding and HTML are switched off in your message reader/editor. 2) Snip all parts of the message that you are not replying to. Some message readers/editors can be set to warn you if quoted text is more than a certain percentage of your rep- ly. If the quoted text is more than 70% of your reply, you probably need to snip more. If you quote a 500-line message and just write "I agree" or "Rubbish", you will annoy other users, whether you put your comment at the beginning or the end. If you quote a 500 line message, you should write at least 200 lines in your reply, or else snip the original message. If you are writing a one line reply, you should quote no more than about 8-10 lines of the original, and your comments should generally FOLLOW, not precede, the quoted text. 3) If you are replying to a message that has several questions or components, reply to each one immediately after the quoted question or text, so that others can see what it is you are replying to. Why do so many newbies practise "top posting"? When the Internet began, it linked mainly government, military and academic computers. The software used was designed for the purpose, and developed for the kind of communication that was used. In the late 1980s, BBSs were developed, and generally followed, and in some respects improved upon the Internet and Usenet model. Newsgroups and BBS conferences, in particular, were designed for "many-to-many" communication right from the start. In the 1990s the Internet began to go commercial, and many companies that produced office automation software tried to adapt that software to the Internet. In doing this they often produced clumsy kludges and workarounds. Office messaging software was designed for interoffice memos, which were "one-to-many", not "many-to-many" communication. The programs were designed for a hierarchical top-down environment, in which managers sent memos to their underlings, and the underlings were not expected to answer back. FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 6 18 Mar 2002 Many of these programs could not do reply quoting at all (da Vinci, early versions of WordPerfect Office). When people using these programs in offices began using the Internet, they were often flamed because they ignored netiquette, because of the shortcomings of their programs. Those who produced these programs added the kludges and workarounds, but they are still designed *primarily* to work in an office environment. The default settings of programs like Microsoft Outlook and Groupwise have the office environment in mind, with the boss-underling memo culture. But this culture is regarded as rude in the Internet and Usenet and BBS messaging environment. If you use an office automation product to connect to Usenet, therefore, check the settings to make sure they work best in the Usenet environment - no MIME, no HTML, no top posting, reply quoting with the standard "greater-than" sign at the beginning of the line. For more information about netiquette, see: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/8795/tiptop.html -- I am developing this as a kind of faq file as a guide to newcomers to electronic comunications. Comments and suggestions for improvements are welcome. Last updated: 8 March 2002 Steve Hayes Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/bbs.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/bbs1.htm E-mail: hayesstw@yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 7 18 Mar 2002 ================================================================= FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN ================================================================= Japanese Stuffed Squid 2 lg Squid, 6 inch cavity 1 lb Shrimp, shelled and chopped 2 c Bread crumbs or rice 1 c Chopped cabbage 1 c Choped leeks or green onion 1/3 c Fish sauce (Patis) 1 ts Poppy seeds Ok, lots of variation here! You mix all but the breadcrumbs and squid into a mess then add breadcrumbs til it's holding together. Optional, add an egg at this stage. Stuff the squid with it then deep fry the whole thing to a delicate brown. Drain over lots of paper towels and eat cold in slices over rice or warm it in the microwave. From the kitchen of: xxcarol ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 8 18 Mar 2002 ================================================================= CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ================================================================= BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL #9 I'm driving to work and I'm stuck behind this old guy, the classic slow driver from hell, whose car red-lines at 20 mph and can't take corners at more than 5. I honk my horn but his hearing aid's probably turned way down to "whisper", so I'm stuck. I make a mental note of his license plate. In fact, I did that 60 times a minute for 15 and a half minutes. Oh dear.. oh dear.... Looks like another call to the DMV Database to register a vehicle as stolen by out of town arms dealers... I get to work, flick the excuse page over. "ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION FROM SATTELLITE DEBRIS". Fair enough, it looks like it's going to be a good day. I log into "FUCKYOU", (the help-desk enquiries username) and go into mail. There's 3 new messages, the first of which is 117 lines long, so it's obviously a storyteller. Shit, I hate that. Instead of saying "My account needs more disk space" they tell you about how they're doing this bit of research for a lecturer and how it's got to be in yesterday, and they almost had it but their second cousing twice removed had a perforated herpes scab and lost a lot of blood and had to be rushed into hospital... etc etc. I delete the message. Second message I read, but it's one of those people who can't handle the mail interface and send a null message, so all you get is headers. I reply to the message saying "No worries, we can do that by next tuesday". Hope it was important. The last message I leave for tommorrow, because Saturday would be a dull day if I ever had to work then. The phone rings. I thought I'd fixed that! I put it on hands free so I can slop some pizza into the microwave. "Yes" I call "Something's wrong with my Boot disk, I can't login to the server" "Have you got your disk with you?" "Sure!" I go get the disk and put it and the pizza in for 5 minutes on "ULTRA-NUKE". Six minutes later, he rings back. "It still doesn't work, and now my disk makes a funny noise and smells." FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 9 18 Mar 2002 "OH SHIT! It's that electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris again!" "Really? I think I heard about that!" (What a tool!) "Yep, I'm sorry, you'll have to buy another disk" "Oh, that's ok, I don't mind, the old one was getting worn. Thanks" "Sure, no worries. And be sure to run it through our virus checker FDISK when you get a lot of important data on it..." "I will! Thanks!" "That's Ok - it's my job!" Xcbzone is running really slow so I kill off a whole lot of database backends that seem to be hogging all the cpu and get back into my game. Much better. It isn't easy on the frontline, work work work... I go to the cafeteria for a quick 2 hour snack - they're so nice to me there. They always have been, ever since that computer glitch that registered their kitchen as an organ recipient - very messy. I grab a couple of cans of coke and some cheese things and cruise on back to the office via the first year computer funamentals lab. I look in the window on the scene that unfolds it- self to me - a lab full of first years with no demonstrator. WELL I'LL JUST HAVE TO HELP! I walk on in. "Right, I'm your temporary replacement demonstrator and today we're going to put our assignments aside for half an hour to learn about the REMARK function, or, as it's known to the computer literate world, rm.." I should have been a teacher you know - I've got this way with people... ... ----------------------------------------------------------------- Tithing By: Warren Bonner Every Sunday, a little old lady placed $2,000 in the collection plate. This went on for weeks until the priest, overcome by curiosity, approached her. "Sister, I couldn't help but notice that you put $2,000 a week in the collection plate," he stated. FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 10 18 Mar 2002 "Why yes," she replied, "every week my son sends me money, and I give a share to the church." "That's wonderful, how much does he send you?" "Oh, $20,000 a week." "Your son is very successful, what does he do for a living?" "He is a veterinarian," she answered. "That is a very honorable profession. Where does he practice?" "Well, he has one cat house in Las Vegas and another in Reno." Meow! ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 11 18 Mar 2002 ================================================================= TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= Fidonet Software List By Todd Cochrane Type: B=BBS D=Door M=Mailer T=Tosser C=Communication (terminal) U=Utility P=Point Software I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...) <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+> ( Software Name ) |Type| ( Author/Contact ) <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+> |BBBS Home Page |B | b@bbbs.net | | | | www.bbbs.net/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |ELEBBS The Elevator |B | elebbs@elebbs.com | |Software Production | | www.elebbs.com | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Hermes II Project |B | info@HermesII.org | | | | http://www.hermesii.org/ | 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http://www.rapro.com/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Spitfire BBS |B | MDWoltz@AOL.COM | |Buffalo Creek Software | |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Synchronet BBS |BT | sysop@vert.synchro.net | | | | http://www.synchro.net | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Telegard BBS |B | support@telegard.net | | | | http://www.telegard.net/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Wildcat Interactive |BTMI| sales@santronics.com | |Net Server | | http://www.santronics.com | FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 12 18 Mar 2002 |Plantinum Express | |(305)248-3204 | | | | Santronics Inc. | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Bentstone Capabilities |D | info@stonebenders.com | |Group | | http://www.srupc.com/mall | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Jibben 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UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c 218/109 | Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c 220/10 | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c 229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c 229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? | 229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c 249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c 250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c 261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c 275/311 | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1 |n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c 323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 360/5 | Bennie Hutto | FTP VMoT | aDSL | n/c 379/1 | Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkP VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c 396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c 2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c 2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c 2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c 2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/1275 | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c 3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c 3830/10 | Matt Bedynek |FTP, BinkD | OC3 n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c 28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c 47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 53/558 |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|?? 201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c 201/505 | Goran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k | n/c 211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c 221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 18 18 Mar 2002 240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c 255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c 263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c 280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 280/1601 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c 280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c 292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c 292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c 292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/534 | Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c 341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | | 341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | | 343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | | 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 | Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | | 348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | | 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c 2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c 2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c 3830/10 | Matt Bedynek | FTP, BinkP | 100Mb | n/c 5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 19 18 Mar 2002 5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c 774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 801/161 | Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 6 65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free 653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free 654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free 654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * TX = TransX * NFS = Linux Networking * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer * QWK = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers news.fidotel.com (currently offline) news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 20 18 Mar 2002 ================================================================= SPECIAL INTEREST ================================================================= Nodelist Stats Input nodelist nodelist.074 size 1125.2kb date 2002-03-15 The nodelist has 10133 nodes in it and a total of 13043 non-comment entries including 6 zones 65 regions 471 hosts 703 hubs admin overhead 1245 ( 12.29 %) and 909 private nodes 355 nodes down 401 nodes on hold off line overhead 1665 ( 16.43 %) Speed summary: >9600 = 921 ( 9.09 %) 9600 = 8672 ( 85.58 %) (HST = 184 or 2.12 %) (CSP = 1 or 0.01 %) (PEP = 13 or 0.15 %) (MAX = 0 or 0.00 %) (HAY = 1 or 0.01 %) (V32 = 4861 or 56.05 %) (V32B = 516 or 5.95 %) (V34 = 5765 or 66.48 %) (V42 = 4734 or 54.59 %) (V42B = 539 or 6.22 %) 2400 = 108 ( 1.07 %) 1200 = 5 ( 0.05 %) 300 = 427 ( 4.21 %) ISDN = 1100 ( 10.86 %) ---------------------------------------------------------- File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems ---------------------------------------------------------- XA Frontdoor <1.99b 3709 Frontdoor 2.02+ Dutchie 2.90c Binkleyterm >2.1 D'Bridge <1.3 TIMS Xenia -------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 21 18 Mar 2002 XB Binkleyterm 2.0 8 Dutchie 2.90b -------------------------------------- XC Opus 1.1 10 -------------------------------------- XP Seadog 6 -------------------------------------- XR Opus 1.03 64 -------------------------------------- XW Fido >12M 404 Tabby KittenMail -------------------------------------- XX D'Bridge 1.30 4490 Frontdoor 1.99b Intermail 2.01 T-Mail -------------------------------------- None QMM 1442 -------------------------------------- CrashMail capable = 3349 ( 33.05 %) MailOnly nodes = 5469 ( 53.97 %) Listed-only nodes = 785 ( 7.75 %) Other = 530 ( 5.23 %) [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100] [ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-11 Page 22 18 Mar 2002 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= How to Submit an Article If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here are some guidelines, if you send it as an attached file; the preferred method if you want reasonable control over how the published article will appear in the Fidonews: a) Plain ASCII text. 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