The F I D O N E W S Volume 19, Number 02 14 Jan 2002 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are | | | FidoNet community. | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings| | | | | San Francisco, California, USA | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Crash netmail articles to: | | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-944907) | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | Routed netmail articles to: | | \_______\(_| /_) | Bjorn Felten @ 2:203/0 | | _ @/_ \ _ | Email attach to: | | | | \ \\ | bfelten@telia.com | | | (*) | \ ))| | | |__U__| / \// | Editor: Bj”rn Felten | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally. Table of Contents 1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1 2. INSIDE ................................................... 2 The Fidonews at a Glance ................................. 2 3. EDITORIAL ................................................ 3 A tribute to Frank Vest .................................. 3 4. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 5 It's not a total "goodbye" ............................... 5 Catcalls from the Cheap Seats ............................ 6 5. EDITOR'S CORNER .......................................... 11 The umlaut disclaimer .................................... 11 6. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ...................................... 12 If Operating Systems Ran Airlines ........................ 12 7. FIDONET CLASSIFIED ADS ................................... 14 Collin County Station BBS ................................ 14 8. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................. 15 Fidonet Software List .................................... 15 9. JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET .......................... 19 Fidonet-related sites .................................... 19 10. SPECIAL INTEREST ........................................ 25 Nodelist Stats ........................................... 25 11. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 27 How to Submit an Article ................................. 27 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 28 FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 1 14 Jan 2002 ================================================================= FOOD FOR THOUGHT ================================================================= "The trouble with life is there's no background music." ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 2 14 Jan 2002 ================================================================= INSIDE ================================================================= The Fidonews at a Glance What really happened to Frank and why did he quit? Find out all about it in this weeks "Editorial". In the "General Articles" section we have two submissions. One from Editor Emeritus Frank Vest, giving a slightly different view upon his resignation. And one from former FidoNet sysop Luke Kolin, giving some thoughts about todays FidoNet. Did editor's name in the banner look strange? Find out why in "Editor's Corner". An old classic was added to the "Clean Jokes..." section, just to keep this issue from looking too anorexic. Did you forget that the Snooze has a "Classified" section? Take a look at how a pro makes use of it in this week's issue. :) The "Nodelist Stats" in the "Special Interest" section has once again changed, but just a minor change this time. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 3 14 Jan 2002 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= A tribute to Frank Vest By Bj”rn Felten The conception happened some day before April 23rd 2001. At first the pregnancy went on almost unnoticed, but soon it became obvious to the mother, that this was anything but a normal baby. It soon started kicking and making noise, so that the mother never got a quiet moment. But throughout this ordeal, the brave mother never showed how tormented she was. Not even when the morning sickness became more and more severe, did she even show any sign of the usual mode swings. The only, out-of-ordinary, was a sudden craving for pickled salmon... But in the eighth month it became obvious, that she needed help with the delivery of this baby. So she started looking around for a midwife to help her out. When I was asked, I hesitated for a long time. Not only did I know what an important baby this was. If I made a mistake, it would haunt me for the rest of my life. I also realized it would mean a lot of work. However, out of concern with the mother as well as the baby, I eventually accepted. And not a day too soon, it turned out. The mother immediately went into hard labour, and then delivered a baby pup, at least two weeks early. The mother said she would never again get involved in the activities that put her in this position. She is now recovering at home, and the baby was sent away to a far-away country across the Atlantic. A country where the polar bears are running freely in the streets, where the women are tall, blond and promiscuous, and the men spend most of their time committing suicide. Now, what kind of a country is that to raise a kid in (unless you want to raise the best ice hockey player in the world)? Anyhow, the first time, loads of mothers milk was sent to the baby, so it's been well fed. It's still far too tiny, as could be expected from the premature birth, but with the tender care from the relatives and friends, it probably will grow up to be a fine kid. All the telegrams from proud relatives, sent to the distant country, gave the baby the warmth it needs. I heard that telegrams and flowers, congratulating the mother, helped a lot to make her recover. The promise not to get involved in the activities, that put her in this situation, is quite normal. With some distance to the events, her sex^M^M^Mfido-life will probably go back to (almost) normal again. IOW, Mr. Mom Frank, I have your old column reserved for you, whenever you feel up to start writing for the Snooze again. I know for sure, I'm not the only one, that's hoping this will happen sooner than later. FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 4 14 Jan 2002 It is with great pride I add the name Frank L. Vest to the list of Editors Emeriti, where it looks really nice, together with all those other, great names of our network. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 5 14 Jan 2002 ================================================================= GENERAL ARTICLES ================================================================= It's not a total "goodbye" By Frank Vest 1:124/6308.1 Last week, I announced that I was resigning the Editorship of the Fidonews. It had been coming for a while and I had asked Bj”rn Felten to take the position. He agreed and we had plans to change over around the first of February. It didn't happen that way and my apologies to Bj”rn for that. I want... no... I need to tell everyone that it wasn't any one thing that caused me to leave. The Editorship of the Fidonews is a demanding position. Unless you have been there, you really don't know how demanding it can be. Even if every article that you receive (providing you receive any at all) is perfect in format and other technical aspects, the Editor still has to receive, test, proof read, compile and produce then hatch the Fidonews each week. To do this all but requires that the Editor be available and checking the different methods in place for receiving articles on a daily basis. When one accepts the Editorship, one suddenly finds that their world revolves around the Fidonews. Planning a trip or vacation is many times made to allow for the final testing, compiling and hatching of the Fidonews. Even if much is automated, some things can not be. One may say that much of the production of the Fidonews /could/ be automated. Maybe so, but there is still the need, nay, the requirement of human intervention. To simply set up programs to receive articles, compile them and then hatch the finished product would work to some degree, but not always. A file could come in that, while formatted correctly and with no errors, is not meant to be an article. An article can be received that meets all the technical qualifications, but was not meant to be or shouldn't be an article. There will always be the need for an Editor. No, my friends, it was not any one thing or person. It was a build up of things. I knew it was coming. I'd like to thank some people in this article. I'm sure that I'll miss some names. Consider yourself thanked any way. So, in mo particular order: Bj”rn Felten; for taking the Editorship... even though I didn't give him as much time as we both would have liked. :-) Warren Bonner and Steve Quarrella; Both have been my "shoulder to cry on" many times. I believe that an Editor needs that as much, or more, than anything else. Michiel Van Der Vlist; We had our disagreements, but you handled them with respect and dignity. I commend you for that. FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 6 14 Jan 2002 Carl Austin Bennett; You posted the Fidonews to the echo like clockwork except for the times that I screwed up and didn't get the Fidonews to you. :-) Thanks! I'm sure that I've missed some. My thanks to you as well. I'll still be around to some degree. I have some things that I still want to do that have little to do with Fidonet politics. I'll write the occasional article and, maybe, visit the echo from time to time. Who can say what the future will bring. :) Thanks to all, Frank Vest ----------------------------------------------------------------- Catcalls from the Cheap Seats By Luke Kolin I took the week off to develop a really good rant, this time. Hope your ZC hasn't imploded yet. I was in fine form last week. After a pleasant few days of becoming drunk, belligerent and sarcastic by consuming wheat beer and trolling fuckedcompany.com, I had warmed up nicely for a bitter and scathing response to Andrea Santos' recent article on the Mail-Only trouble makers that now comprise 55% of the nodelist. Unfortunately, an artificial buzz is very difficult to maintain, and I started mellowing significantly near the end. I'll save the missed article for a slow week when I run low on material. That, or I'll send it to Doc Logger for inspiration in exchange for whatever rhubarb wine he can smuggle past the US Customs Service. I'm sad to hear that Lesley-Dee lasted only a week as RC12, which is roughly the same amount of time as her Internet e-mails take to reach me, or signals from Voyager 1 take to reach Earth from the next galaxy. It's a shame, but she should realize that Janis is performing a fine-tuned political trick: punishment of one's political opponents. It's not like Canada's best Prime Minister that government money could buy is busy flattening Alberta grasslands in favour of hotels and golf courses - he's busy too running their health care system into the ground. Such a course of action is truly for the politically naive: I discovered as RC and NC that letting my opponents post in the election conference was worth more votes than any of my robot mailings. If some of them didn't exist, I would have had to invent them myself. Let me pay Frank Vest a legitimate compliment, for once. He's raised some valid questions about the future of FidoNet, and he cares. He's also, however, missed the telecommunications revolution of the past five years. One of the most difficult and tiresome aspects of running a BBS is keeping the connectivity up; getting the modems to work, and allowing FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 7 14 Jan 2002 multiple lines and multiple users. ISPs have revolutionized this line of work, and managed to take this work entirely out of the BBS operators hands, at speeds that BBS operators can only dream of. Hosting companies allow you to create free (or almost free) sites on hardware they worry about keeping up. Why on Earth FidoNet would seek to replace this fantastic infrastructure with something out of the late 1980s is utterly beyond me. ISPs are turning into the common access point for ALL networks. It's happened. Get over it. I run a bulletin board, for flight simulation enthusiasts. I have hundreds of users visiting it, and I can support multiple simultaneous users at speeds up to 144k each. They can connect from anywhere in the world for no additional cost, and the whole setup costs me around $90 per month. All of this is run through a little plastic box about six by six inches in size that I plug into my main LAN switch. Needless to say, I am *NOT* using a old-fashioned phone line (or multiple lines), so why should FidoNet? FidoNet was never about technology, it was always about content. Yet the FidoNet of today has grown so wedded to its OBSOLETE access technology that it is losing its content producers, and the network itself is dying. Users are not visiting FidoNet because the access method is inefficient, slow, expensive and obsolete. Ever day, millions of individuals use the Internet. Some have high-speed connections, and not only are they used to such speed, they (like myself) no longer own a modem and couldn't connect to a BBS even if they wanted to. Others don't see the point in dialing in to a single line system at 28.8k, when they can dial into a multi-line ISP at almost twice the speed, never get a busy signal, and visit thousands of bulletin boards on the web without having to start the process all over again. I don't even want to get into the differences between the multilingual graphical experience of the Web, compared to the ANSI graphics that last excited people when Michael Dukakis did. And every day, the group of people I describe gets larger and larger. There will be some wise soul from the even cheaper seats who suggests that telnet BBSing is the way to go. While the protocol allows us to leverage certain advantages of IP like multiple connections and eliminating distance from the equation, such a move is like moving from 1988 to 1993, when the academics considered 'Internet Commerce' to have as much of a future as the Black Vegan Lesbians for Strom Thurmond Political Action Committee. When I was a teenager with an interest in computers, FidoNet was pretty cool. Lots of teenagers and college students with a computer and a modem set up a BBS using free software like Binkley and Maximus and begged their folks for an extra phone line. Today, those same kids set up a Linux box on their cable modem, install Apache/WarFTP/mySQL/PHP/UBB and build a web site that is light years beyond anything that FidoNet can offer. FidoNet has lost the young hobbyists. It's lost most of the developers who were busy writing tools and utilities for Fido, save for the FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 8 14 Jan 2002 Eastern Europeans whose level of technology and Internet penetration hasn't caught up to the West yet - which is why most of the new stuff in Fido in the past five years has come from Zone 2. Zone 1 is increasingly composed of the die-hards who've been around for the past five to ten years, and are convinced that the Internet is nothing more than completely unregulated spam-filled newsgroups. It's a similar view to my mother, who believes that the Internet is nothing more than a mechanism for men to view pornography and have online affairs when they're not busy downloading plans for homemade biological weapons. Frank, feeding the dog in the manner you suggest is like feeding your dog some Dog Chow that's been sitting around in your basement growing moldy and stale since 1988. If it doesn't kill the pooch, I don't want to be around when you do the stooping and scooping. Speaking of stooping and scooping, not knowing Janis I would be forced to assume that FidoNet has finally achieved every geek's dream and found a female 19-year-old sysadmin with some basic social skills and an obsessive desire for order and network regulation. I cannot help but be reminded of my teenage year (well, six months) as RC12 where the geographical overlaps and failures to achieve economies of scale in CRPs caused me acute heartburn and the desire to make changes. In the intervening decade, I like to think I've learned a thing or two about the anal-retentive desire for control, most importantly that there was very little I could do short of causing myself grief and being a jerk. Janis, I was 19 and didn't know any better when I did what I did. What's your excuse? I would be remiss if I didn't suggest to Janis that she should probably go all the way and toast all of Region 12 from the nodelist altogether. If the NCs/NECs in the Region manage to get their act together and distribute the alternative nodelist to the vast majority of sysops there, you and your little Quisling RC will have as much authority as I will after I appoint myself the new ZC. At that point, you have a totally separate bit of FidoNet which has branched off and refused to recognize you. You either toast the whole bunch and see if you get away with it, or you resign. Lesley-Dee, you shouldn't be surprised that individuals say one thing to get elected, and then do the complete opposite. I find it droll that Canadians, of all people, would be the ones to get most upset about it. I recall America having a President who (around the same time FidoNet was cutting edge) promised no new taxes. He broke the promise after being arm-twisted by Congress, and got turfed out for his weak spine four years later. In Canada, you had a Deputy Prime Minister who promised to repeal a sales tax to get elected. Afterwards, she denied she ever made the claim, accused the voters of being too dense to understand the suttle nuances in her promise, and has been re-elected with increased majorities three times since. You can't really fault Janis for trying to do the same thing - you folks have a history of falling for that kind of nonsense. To paraphrase Kim Campbell, elections are too fleeting to discuss such important matters as the truth. This whole Policy4 discussion reminds me of political discourse in my native country - pretty much everyone (except those who get government FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 9 14 Jan 2002 money or patronage) wants the ruling party gone, but they can never decide who to replace it with. The issue with P4 is that it was designed by sysadmins, not people. It's a fantastic way to organize a network along rational 1980s lines, but is utterly incapable of addressing social issues and technological change. It boggles my mind that over a decade after the first RC election in Region 12, with elections entrenched all across FidoNet, you still have an enforced policy that allows one co-ordinator to arbitrarily remove another for any reason. In the age of the Internet and world-wide connectivity, you have restrictions on which network you must have a node number in. The twits that think this is still a good idea are the same ones that would force me to have an e-mail address like luke.kolin@person.roswell.east.cobb.co.ga.us or some other 'orderly' mechanism, which I would probably need to change if I moved around the corner. Of course, for themselves they insist on personalized vanity license plates like UNIXGOD on their cars. They are the same ones that ran the .ca domain registry for years with silly geography-based rules on what kind of domain name you could get (in a network designed to make geography irrelevant - hello!) and turned up their noses at the 'chaos' of the InterNIC model until they discovered that most Canadians decided to get .com addresses for more visibility and less bureaucratic nonsense. (Not to mention 12 hour turnaround instead of 2 weeks.) It's no coincidence that the Internet only took off when we took the organization Nazis such as these out of the loop, sent them back to their CS departments at gradual school and let real people do what they wanted with it. The geeks are still moaning about how every moron can get online these days, and how much better the Internet was when there were only 700 people could connect to it and they could discuss PDP-7 assembly language programming to their hearts' content. If you really want to feed the dog, FidoNet needs to eliminate this nonsense about appointed *Cs and organizational structure based around geography and the phone system. Make them all elected. If your NC or RC is an incompetent idiot, you're free to join whatever Net or Region you want. If you want to connect via some Internet method only, great! How often do you need connectivity to every single node in FidoNet? So long as you can somehow get mail to them, what's the issue? How often do you try and send crashmail to the single FidoNet node in Botswana? 99.99% of mail is routed to begin with. Build a new generation of FidoNet software, based upon something free like PHP. Bundle it together so that any hobbyist with access to a Linux or NT box or a hosting service that provides PHP and SQL access (ie. any one worth its salt) can set up a new Fido bulletin board. How hard could it be to write a utility that converts messages stored in a SQL database into that old PKT format for the legacy types? That's assuming that grouping together in a content network on the Web actually has its advantages. The beauty of the modern Internet over Fido is it allows the users to come from anywhere to a single point for content, instead of distributing the content to the users. If the Web is the content network, as well as the transport mechanism, then FidoNet's situation is terminal and feeding the dog won't do a darn thing. You might as well keep the pooch warm and comfortable, and send your old nodelists to the Smithsonian. FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 10 14 Jan 2002 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 11 14 Jan 2002 ================================================================= EDITOR'S CORNER ================================================================= The umlaut disclaimer When first it was obvious, that this editor had a strange character in his name, there were suggestions that I should tell those of you, that don't see it properly, what that third character of my first name, really should look like. Well, in FidoNet, where the FidoNews is distributed, the character set assumed is IBM PC-8, if nothing else is declared. So if you don't get that umlauted 'o' properly, you may want to change the char-set of your reader, because there'll probably be more of those, strange characters in here in the future. But as a one-time service, I'll let you know what my name should look like if properly displayed. HTML: Björn Felten ISO Latin: Björn Felten Mac OS: Bjšrn Felten AltNum: Bjrn Felten Thanks to Aleksej R. Serdyukov @ 2:5020/1973.20 and Raymond Rosch @ 3:713/910 ...for their kind contributions on this matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 12 14 Jan 2002 ================================================================= CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ================================================================= If Operating Systems Ran Airlines UNIX Airways Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put the plane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what kind of plane they are supposed to be building. Air DOS Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump on and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again. Then they push again, jump on again, and so on... Mac Airlines All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents look neat and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions about details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't need to know, that you really don't want to know, and that everything will be done for you without your ever having to know, so just shut the f... up. Windows Air The terminal is pretty and colorful, with friendly stewards, easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After about 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever. Windows NT Air Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses much bigger planes, and takes out all the other aircrafts within a 40-mile radius when it explodes. Linux Air Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself. When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. You take the seat to a location of your choice and bolt it into the deck, per the instructions. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plane leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 13 14 Jan 2002 of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, "Good grief, you had to do what with the seat...?" ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 14 14 Jan 2002 ================================================================= FIDONET CLASSIFIED ADS ================================================================= Collin County Station BBS By Frank Vest 1:124/6308 Collin County Station BBS McKinney, Texas would like to invite you to visit. If you are in the Dallas Metro or McKinney, Texas area, you can dial into the BBS at 972-562-8064. We also have limited telnet access upon request. e-mail; puppy6308 at sbcglobal.net and we will be happy to tell you about the telnet access Currently running Inter-BBS "Word War". 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Mailer | | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |BinkD |MI |maloff@corbina.net | | | |http://2f.ru/binkd/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Fidogate |UIT |Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net | | | |http://www.fidogate.org/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Fidonet to Internet |IM |Bo Bendtsen | |Mailer | |sales@terminate.com | | | |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |GiGo Software |UI |http://www.gigo.com/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Internet Rex |IM |cruden@cs.ualberta.ca | | | |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Tmail |IM |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm | |(Russian /w English DL)| | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |TransX Multiboard |M |support@multiboard.com | |Communications Inc. | |http://www.multiboard.com/software/ | | | |transx.html | | | |1:2401/305 | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |TransNet |I |transnet@ressl.com.ar | | | |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Watergate |I |ramon@sbbs.se | | | |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/ | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU |http://www.jetsys.de/ | |JetStat and other Atari| | | |Fidonet utilities | | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |APoint (Author) |P |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm| | | |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho) | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |CrossPoint |P |("Original" version) | | | |http://www.crosspoint.de | | | |http://www.apoint-mail.de | | | |(OpenXP Projekt) | | | |http://www.openxp.com (English) | | | |http://www.openxp.de (German) | | | |CrossPoint (XP2 Team) | FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 18 14 Jan 2002 | | |http://www.xp2.de | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |WinPoint95 |P |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |The OpenXP CrossPoint |P |http://www.happyarts.de/xp | |Projekt | | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |Terminate Terminal |P |http://www.terminate.com | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| |PPoint-FTS compatible |P |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm | |E-Mail System | | | |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------| \====================================================================/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 19 14 Jan 2002 ================================================================= JOE JARED'S 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Anyone in this list will FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 21 14 Jan 2002 also receive routed notice of this feature. v-email flag firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com | email address or Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate | | |latency| -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------ Zone 1 | | | | 10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c 10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c 18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c 103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | CABLE | n/c 103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c 103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c 105/8 @ Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c 105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr 106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ??? 106/2000 | Bob Juge | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ??? | n/c 106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c 107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo. 134/11 @ Michael Grant | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX aDSL, 60 | n/c 138/146 | Marc Blakely | BinkP,FTP | ??? | n/c 140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16 142/906 | Chris Griffin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 150/220 | Dave Nemeth | UUE | ??? | n/c 153/7715 | Dallas Hinton | BinkD, FTP | CABLE | ??? 167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c 167/166 | Jesse Dooling | POP? UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c 218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c 220/10 | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c 229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c 229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? | 229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c 249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c 250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c 250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c 261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c 280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo. 297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c 323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c 360/5 | Bennie Hutto | FTP VMoT | aDSL | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c 379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c 379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c 393/9005 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ??? | n/c 395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkP VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c 396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c 396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c 2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c 2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c 2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 22 14 Jan 2002 2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo 2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c 3613/1275 | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c 3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c 3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c 3830/10 | Matt Bedynek |FTP, BinkD | OC3 n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 2 | 20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c 22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c 28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c 37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c 47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c 201/505 | Goran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c 203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c 211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c 221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c 236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c 240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c 252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c 255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c 263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c 280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c 280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c 280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c 280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c 292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c 292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c 292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c 292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c 292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c 301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c 332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c 333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c 335/534 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c 335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c 341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | | 341/66 | Angel Ripoll | VMoT | | 343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT | | 344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c 346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c 347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | | 348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | | 382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 400/558 | Vlad Hrusca | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c 406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c 423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c 461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 23 14 Jan 2002 461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c 465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c 469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c 469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c 550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c 2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c 2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c 2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c 2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c 2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn 2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c 3830/10 | Matt Bedynek | FTP, BinkP | 100Mb | n/c 5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c 5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c 5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c 5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 3 633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c 640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c 712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c 774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 4 801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c 902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c -------------------------------------------------------------- Zone 6 65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free 653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free 654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free 654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free -- * FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol * VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various) * UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks * TX = TransX * NFS = Linux Networking * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer ---------------------------------------------- Fidonet oriented news servers FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 24 14 Jan 2002 news.osirusoft.com news.tardis.net Fidonet oriented chat rooms. room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted) ---------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 25 14 Jan 2002 ================================================================= SPECIAL INTEREST ================================================================= Nodelist Stats Input nodelist nodelist.011 size 1179.1kb date 2002-01-11 The nodelist has 10467 nodes in it and a total of 13710 non-comment entries including 6 zones 65 regions 484 hosts 717 hubs 904 private nodes 371 nodes down 696 nodes on hold. Admin overhead is 1272 ( 12.15 %) Speed summary: >9600 = 963 ( 9.20 %) 9600 = 8927 ( 85.29 %) (HST = 183 or 2.05 %) (CSP = 1 or 0.01 %) (PEP = 14 or 0.16 %) (MAX = 0 or 0.00 %) (HAY = 2 or 0.02 %) (V32 = 5027 or 56.31 %) (V32B = 573 or 6.42 %) (V42 = 4830 or 54.11 %) (V42B = 613 or 6.87 %) 2400 = 111 ( 1.06 %) 1200 = 6 ( 0.06 %) 300 = 460 ( 4.39 %) ---------------------------------------------------------- File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems ---------------------------------------------------------- XA Frontdoor <1.99b 3922 Frontdoor 2.02+ Dutchie 2.90c Binkleyterm >2.1 D'Bridge <1.3 TIMS Xenia -------------------------------------- XB Binkleyterm 2.0 9 Dutchie 2.90b -------------------------------------- XC Opus 1.1 11 -------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 26 14 Jan 2002 XP Seadog 7 -------------------------------------- XR Opus 1.03 71 -------------------------------------- XW Fido >12M 403 Tabby -------------------------------------- XX D'Bridge 1.30 4549 Frontdoor 1.99b Intermail 2.01 Tmail -------------------------------------- None QMM 1495 -------------------------------------- CrashMail capable = 3584 ( 34.24 %) MailOnly nodes = 5558 ( 53.10 %) Listed-only nodes = 808 ( 7.72 %) Other = 517 ( 4.94 %) [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100] [ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 19-02 Page 27 14 Jan 2002 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= How to Submit an Article If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here are the -=_guidelines_=-: No more than 70 characters per line. 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