FidoNet predates the internet (ASCII dog!) points to hit? who, what online that could not otherwise original nodelist design, nets, regions, decentralist fidonews Shem? the constant belief that social splits would split fidonet (but are really the basis for growth and change) Completely ignore US/Weurope? Immature irresponsibility: logical heirarchy taken for organizational (intentional layout of zones crossing country borders; resisted in Europe) Italian anarchism? CESTA? Social rebellion in FidoNet? bad points perversion of regions zones as fiefdoms Randy's friend's rant re: sociology, flaming (Steve Winter) dominated fidonet/fidonews