Original Message Date: 20 Apr 92  20:35:18
From: Karen Maynor on 1:3640/5
To: Tom Jennings on 1:125/111
Subj: distributing fidonews
^AMSGID: 1:3640/5@FidoNet.Org 378127be
 > re: CDROMing FidoNews:

 > YOu have my permission to include FidoNews's on your
 > CD-ROM, assuming there are no restrictions put upon the users of the
 > data, ie. no copy limitations or further restrictions of any kind. Ie.


thanks so much.. no, there aren't any restrictions.. the stuff is ¨
shareware, so after they buy it, they can do anything they wish with the ¨
disc..

 > Can I talk you into giving me a copy?

of course! I would have offered one already, but I wasn't aware that you ¨
had a cd-rom drive.. just let me know an address to send it to when it is ¨
ready.. we're hoping to go to press within 2 weeks or so.. sure has been ¨
much more work than I originally had anticipated on.

 > (I know what mastering CDs costs... I have friends
 > that do it all the time, for music and for data.)

actually it isn't as expensive as one would imagine.. before we checked ¨
into it, i assumed it would be 5000.00 or more..

 > I love to see people profit from their own work. I
 > hope you make lots of money!

hehehe.. me too! :)

 > What I *dont* want to see is access to
 > FidoNet stuff limited, nor exploited.

since we're in fidonet, i'm trying to promote fido as much as we can. same ¨
with friends of mine that are shareware authors.. which reminds me, would ¨
you have any of your work that you would like to include?

 > If you have a small datasheet or equiv. mail me a copy...
 > I'll break the news in FidoNews itself, and
 > see how much I get flamed... :-)

ok, i'll work something up in the next couple of weeks.. i sure appreciate ¨
your offer to say a little something about it in fidonews.. but if you ¨
think it would get too many people 'hot' then don't do it.. i'd love the ¨
advertisement of it, but seems theres enough 'wars' going on as it is.. ¨
so, i'll leave that judgement call totally up to you. :)

also, i've been having a little trouble actually finding all these old ¨
copies.. i saw a message in an echo that thom henderson had them all, but ¨
he's not in the nodelist.. the address that was given was 107/517.. i sent ¨
a netmail message to this person asking them to zip them all up and i ¨
would poll for them, but no repsonse as of yet.. could you offer a little ¨
help in finding them? :)

thanks so much. and if you'd like to follow up with a voice call, feel ¨
free to call anytime (collect if you wish) myself or my husband, Mark at ¨
(912)882-0754. we're in Georgia.

btw, I really admired your editorial in fidonews 912. maybe i'll 'come ¨
out' in fido one of these days. :) or maybe better yet, tell of all the ¨
sexual harassment in fidonet. definately would be juicy. ah well.

            regards, Karen

> of course! I would have offered one already, but I wasn't aware
> that you  had a cd-rom drive.. just let me know an address to
> send it to when it is  ready.. we're hoping to go to press within

A friend does. I keep looking at them. One of these days now... World¨
Power Systems, Box 77731, San Francisco CA 94107. Thanks!

> 2 weeks or so.. sure has been  much more work than I originally
> had anticipated on.

He he ... I've heard that one before!!! :-)

> appreciate  your offer to say a little something about it in
> fidonews.. but if you  think it would get too many people 'hot'
> then don't do it.. i'd love the  advertisement of it, but seems
> theres enough 'wars' going on as it is..  so, i'll leave that
> judgement call totally up to you. :)

Will do. I'll take a look at copy of you send me such, decicde then...

> address that was given was 107/517.. i sent  a netmail message to
> this person asking them to zip them all up and i  would poll for
> them, but no repsonse as of yet.. could you offer a little  help
> in finding them? :)

Unfortunately, I dont know where they are. I thought Henderson had¨
them. They are many megabytes... I'll send a msg to someone else in¨
his net.

> btw, I really admired your editorial in fidonews 912. maybe i'll
> 'come  out' in fido one of these days. :) or maybe better yet,

Thanks! I always urge everyone to come out... its fun! Mix up your¨
life! (I truly cannot recall one instance where it hurt. Some¨
"friends" end up not being so. No loss! Turmoil, yes...! ) 

> tell of all the sexual harassment in fidonet. definately would
> be juicy. ah well.

Please do! If you could turn it into a parable or a non-accusatory¨
thing (ie. not a rant) it will work wonders... having been around¨
organized and non-organized political and social stuff a long time,¨
I've noticed that the "from askance" approach works best... I don't¨
have much patience with the all-too-common whining liberal males¨
(usually) getting touchy about their absolute right to do absolutely¨
anything they please, but practically-speaking, an askance approach¨
works wonders...
 
I always mean to do an expiriment: call a local popular and vanilla¨
BBS as "Sarah JOnes" or whatever, and enter some very straightforward¨
and contrived messages, and log the replies, then repeat as "John¨
Jones" (etc) and repeat. I think with the right set of¨
messages/content I could generate an interestng article...

Original Message Date: 15 Apr 92  23:08:44
From: Tom Jennings on 1:125/111
To: Karen Maynor on 1:3640/5
Subj: re: distributing fidonews
^AINTL 1:3640/5 1:125/111
re: CDROMing FidoNews:
 
YOu have my permission to include FidoNews's on your CD-ROM, assuming 
there are no restrictions put upon the users of the data, ie. no copy 
limitations or further restrictions of any kind. Ie. if I get the 
CD-ROM, I am free (within existing copyrights, etc that already exist) 
to copy those files further. (The rest I dont care about... :-)
 
Can I talk you into giving me a copy? 
 
(I know what mastering CDs costs... I have friends that do it all the 
time, for music and for data.)
 
I love to see people profit from their own work. I hope you make lots 
of money! What I *dont* want to see is access to FidoNet stuff limited,
nor exploited. The flip side is access on readily available media. 
Each decision is hard. If you have a small datasheet or equiv. mail me 
a copy... I'll break the news in FidoNews itself, and see how much I 
get flamed... :-)


Original Message Date: 14 Apr 92  02:48:22
From: Karen Maynor on 1:3640/5
To: Tom Jennings on 1:1/1
Subj: distributing fidonews
^APID: FM 2.02
 > Well, I wish you had given me more notice... most

Well, I thought of adding fidonews kinda at the last minute.. :) but ¨
theres really still time.. if it means waiting to get permission to add ¨
fidonews, I will wait.

 > If you can get me soemthing, in writing, that
 > describes the project,including howe much you will charge (remember ¨
FidoNet
 > is quite thoroughly non-commercial), I'll look it over, give

Well, lets see.. theres so much to it.. first, its gonna be called SDN ¨
International On CD-ROM. We have permission from Ray Kaliss of The SDN ¨
Project to use the SDN name/logo and security archiver Pak from NoGate. We ¨
also have written permission from Nogate.

The layout of the disc will mainly be focused on the SDN's different ¨
areas. IE: Utils, database, communications, business, misc, word ¨
processing, etc etc.. These will all be archived with an extension of SDN. ¨
The idea is author-direct shareware. Since a cd-rom can hold up to 680mb ¨
or so, and the SDN hasn't passed that much, we will be making SDN archives ¨
from floppies that authors have sent us.

Also included will be the latest sysop type utilities. James Smith owner ¨
of TpBoard has written in direct support for our disc, and also has given ¨
us permission to put FrontDoor on our disc. FD is not normally allowed to ¨
be put on cd-rom media.

Boardwatch Magazine has given us permission to include all their back ¨
issues on the disc also.

We have a custom 'door' written for our disc, called MegaDoor.. Very nice ¨
door... :)


 > with paper followup. Otherwise, don't include FidoNews
 > without written permission from me.

As you can see from above, we're getting permission from the major players ¨
to include their materials on the disc.. I wouldn't put fnews on our disc ¨
without your authorization - even though I am fairly certain I have seen ¨
copies of it on another shareware cd out there..

 > FidoNet's non-commercial nature pretty much limits
 > tings to not-for-profit, ie. charging not much more than yuor
 > producti no costs.

well, we're not 100% certain on the discs exact cost as of yet... Most of ¨
the discs out there run from $80.00 to over $250.00 for a PC-SIG disc... ¨
To produce a cd-rom disc can run in the 3000-5000 dollar range.. Most of ¨
the discs I've seen have been a BBS that has backed up their hard drive ¨
and had it pressed into a disc.. Thats not what we're doing.. We're trying ¨
to get as many 'authorized' things as possible as we can on the disc.. ¨
Plus, add to the fact of the many many hours we've been spending scanning ¨
and re-archiving files into SDNs (and creating SDA's for them - yuck). ¨
Even though we'll probably spend a helluva lot more time than your average ¨
person on this project, it will most likely be in the 49.00 dollar range.. ¨
Yeah, we'll make a little money, but not any killing by no means. :)

And you might wonder why I'd like to add fidonews to the disc... Well, I ¨
haven't been in fido all that long.. Only about a year and half.. But in ¨
that time I've formed a net, became a moderator of a pretty large echo, ¨
and made soooo many close friends thru fido... Fidonews can be our main ¨
way of communicating... Its a constant... My first NC gave me a copy of ¨
fnews with policy4 when we wanted to join... Not every node gets the same ¨
sysop
echo, but we all can get fidonews.. Since I've only been in fido for a ¨
short period of time, I personally would love to read back thru all the ¨
old issues.. What history it would be.. Kinda like opening up a time ¨
capsule.. :) It would give me such pleasure to be able to distribute ¨
fidonews to such a large volume of people... When I moved here, no one had ¨
even heard of fidonet (including the local sysops).. What a shame.. And ¨
I'm sure theres many other little towns that haven't either.. Perhaps if ¨
someone downloaded a copy of fnews from the disc, they might get ¨
interested enough to join... So, its kinda a personal thing... :)

Hope to hear from you soon.

           Thanks so much,  Karen