[HEA] _____________________ ___ _ |___ ______________| | | | | | | _ | | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | ____ _ _ _ _ ______ | | | || | | | / __ \ | | / \_/ \ | ___ \ | | | || |__ ____ | | / / \ | | /\ /\ \ | | \ \ | | | || _ \ | _ \ | | \ \__/ | | | |_|| | | |__/ / | | | || | | || |_|| | | \___/|_| |_| |_| | ____/ |_| | || | | || |__ | |____________________ | | _ |__||_| |_|\____/ |________________________| | | |_| | | Lighting Your Apple II Path On Delphi | | |_| ----------------------------------- >>> WELCOME TO THE LAMP! <<< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE LEAST YOU NEED TO KNOW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "TIME IN A BOTTLE" VISITED ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AND THE BEST OF THE A2 AND A2PRO MESSAGE BOARDS "Teaching the Apple II user how to fish since 1998" :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: The Lamp! An Onipa'a Software Production Vol. 3, No. 9 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Publisher................................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. Editor.....................................................Lyle Syverson Internet Email, Publisher.........................thelamp@sheppyware.net Internet Mail, Editor..............................lyle837@FoxValley.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: TABLE OF CONTENTS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ September 15, 2000 HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER Old Things Become New--------------------------------------------[OPN] THE LEAST YOU NEED TO KNOW First in a Series------------------------------------------------[LYN] "TIME IN A BOTTLE" VISITED An Awesome Software Collection-----------------------------------[FTE] A2 DISTILLATIONS Silvern Castle v5.1 Coming---------------------------------------[SCC] Silvern Castle Freeware Announcement-----------------------------[SCF] Forwarding Delphi Mail-------------------------------------------[FDM] Time in a Bottle CD Collection - A2 Software on Your Shelf-------[TIB] The Compleat Lamp! CD-ROM----------------------------------------[TCL] Speccie's Home Page Switched-------------------------------------[SHP] Sweet16 1.5.1 Released-------------------------------------------[SSR] ImageMaker 2.0 Released------------------------------------------[IMR] GShisen 1.2.1 in Database----------------------------------------[GID] Watch for the CD-ROM "DeluxeWare"--------------------------------[WFL] Impressive List of Programs for use With Marinetti---------------[ILP] A Source for Cables----------------------------------------------[SFC] First eBay Auction for Support of A2Central----------------------[FAS] Byte Works CD... Would You Buy it?-------------------------------[BWC] A Faster CD-ROM Drive for the Apple II---------------------------[FCD] Hard Drive Problems----------------------------------------------[HDP] A2Central.com Under Construction... Relax...---------------------[UCR] Does This Make Me a Pirate?--------------------------------------[MMP] Mystery Solved - The LANceGS Ethernet Card-----------------------[LEC] What is an Ethernet Card Good For?-------------------------------[ECF] Reading PC Generated ISO9660 CD on the Apple IIgs----------------[RIC] Delphi Via Web Side With The Apple II----------------------------[DVW] A2P DISTILLATIONS Apple's Pascal 1.3 Manual Still Available------------------------[APM] Apple II History - GEOS------------------------------------------[AHG] LETTERS TO THE EDITOR An Invitation----------------------------------------------------[LTE] KFEST 2001 Keep it in Mind--------------------------------------------------[KFT] EXTRA INNINGS About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN] [*] [*] [*] READING THE LAMP! The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make """"""""""""""""" your reading easier. To use this system, load this issue into any word processor or text editor. In the index you will find something like: EXTRA INNINGS About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN] To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate [INN]. There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA]. [OPN]------------------------------- HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER | ------------------------------------ From The Editor """"""""""""""" by Lyle Syverson Old Things Become New ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Looking down from High Above The Rock River you notice that some of the bright shiny cars are really older cars that have been restored to their original condition... or even enhanced so they look even more glitzy, or do more than when they were new. The proud owners have "Made The Old New." So it is with the various CD collections of software for the Apple II computers. The old, proven software has been collected and made available in a compact, convenient form for our use. [*] [*] [*] [EOA] [LYN]------------------------------ THE LEAST YOU NEED TO KNOW | ----------------------------------- FIRST IN A SERIES """"""""""""""""" by Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W, L.S.W. [rsuenaga@sheppyware.net] APPLE IIC MODEM CABLES ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Perhaps the best way to stay up to date with your Apple II computer is to get online, meaning onto the Internet and onto Delphi and many of the Apple II areas on the World Wide Web. Excepting the esoteric and eccentric (including myself) who find ::ahem:: creative ways to use the Apple II for communications, the way to get online is to hook up a modem. While a few internal modems for the Apple II exist (none sold new), it's generally accepted that an external modem is the way to go for Apple II use. Many different brands and models of external modems exist--we won't get into comparing or recommending these (although if you must ask, my favorite is the 3Com/USR Courier V.Everything). What we will do, instead, is look at some of the other issues around connecting a modem to an Apple II (in this article, the Apple IIc), primarily addressing cables. First off, let's remember something simple: the maximum speed of the serial port on the Apple IIc is 19200 baud. There is, then, no need for a modem faster than 14400 baud--perhaps even slower, which we will address shortly--for use with these computers. Of course, if someone gives you a 28800, 33600, or 57600 modem, don't look a gift horse in the mouth--just realize that at most, your serial port will top out at 19200, so there is very little extra speed to squeeze out of a faster modem. THE PINOUTS The Apple IIc uses a DIN 5 connector on its serial ports. """"""""""" Therefore, any cable you attach to it must have a male DIN 5 connector. Each of the five pins on the Apple IIc serial port has a different electrical signal associated with it. As per Apple Computer, Inc.'s Tech Info Library, the signals are as follows: 1-----Data Terminal Ready (DTR) 2-----Transmit Data (TXD) 3-----Signal Ground (GND) 4-----Receive Data (RXD) 5-----Data Set Ready (DSR) Looking at the female plug on the rear of the IIc, the pins are as follows; (ASCII art follows, for the visually impaired) ----v---- / \ / \ | 5 1 | | o 4 2 o | \ o 3 o / \ o / -------- (End ASCII art) In a nutshell, pins two and four actually do the moving of data; pin three provides ground, and pins one and five do "handshaking"--making sure that the computers are talking to each other properly and not missing any (or many) characters. Handshaking is a way of saying, "Hey, you're going a little too quickly for me--can you stop for a minute?" Once the computer that requested the slow down is ready again, it sends another signal saying, "Okay, I'm ready now, go ahead." There are many different ways to do handshaking, both in hardware and software. At speeds exceeding 9600 baud, hardware handshaking--which is faster--is the preferred method; however, due to the few signals available at its port for handshaking (there are several other handshaking signals available on both the Apple IIgs and Super Serial Card commonly used for telecommunications on the Apple IIe), the Apple IIc does not appear to be able to reliably communicate at 19200. It does work fine at 9600 baud. Virtually every external modem on the market that does not have a built-in cable (and I'm not very fond of such modems, because I want to have the option of testing and replacing the cable if I'm having difficulty) has a female DB 25 connector to attach a serial cable to. Therefore, the other end of your Apple IIc modem cable needs to have a male DB 25 connector. Like the IIc's DIN 5 port, the pins on the DB 25 have signals associated with them. Since there are more pins on a DB 25 connector than a DIN 5 connector, there are, as you would expect, more signals. While we are not going to detail every signal on the port, we will highlight some of the more important ones. 2-----Transmit Data (TXD) 3-----Receive Data (RXD) 4-----Ready To Send (RTS) 5-----Clear To Send (CTS) 6-----Data Set Ready (DTS) 7-----Signal Ground (GND) 8-----Data Carrier Detect (DCD) 20-----Data Terminal Ready (DTR) Looking at the female connector on the modem, the pins are as follows: (ASCII art follows, for the visually impaired) 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 _______________________________________ \ o o o o o o o o o o o o o / \ o o o o o o o o o o o o / ---------------------------------- 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 (End ASCII art) THE CONNECTIONS So, to connect these two devices, computer serial port to """"""""""""""" modem, a fairly simple cable is needed. The three basic signals--GND, TXD, and RXD--are where we start. Since we are communicating with a modem device, we know all we have to do is match up the appropriate signals on the serial port--GND to GND, TXD to TXD, and RXD to RXD. So, using a male DIN 5 plug and a male DB25 connector, our cable starts very simply: Male DIN 5 Male DB25 Signal 1 DTR 2<-----------------------------> 2 TXD 3<-----------------------------> 7 GND 4<-----------------------------> 3 RXD 5 DSR That was simple. Now that that's done, let's connect the other pins for handshaking. While we could get into a largely technical discussion about what all of these pins mean and the importance of connecting them, since this is really "The Least You Need To Know", let's just hook up what we need to hook up, like so: Male DIN 5 Male DB25 Signal +--------------> 4 RTS 1<-----------------------------> 20 DTR 2<-----------------------------> 2 TXD 3<-----------------------------> 7 GND 4<-----------------------------> 3 RXD 5<-----------------------------> 6 DSR In this example, pins four and twenty on the DB25 male are shorted together and connected to pin one on our DIN 5 connector. THE PARTS You can obtain every single part (as well as tool) you need for """"""""" this cable at Radio Shack or, usually more cheaply, at a local electronics store. The parts you need: DB 25 male solder cup connector DB 25 hood DIN 5 male connector (usually comes with hood) wire (I usually use Category 5 Ethernet cable, but that's just because I have lots of that lying around my computer dungeon) The tools you need: Soldering iron Solder Screwdrivers THE END? Hopefully not. As we continue our look at "The Least You Need """""""" To Know" we will continue to discuss different types of projects you can do to keep your Apple II alive. [EOA] [FTE]------------------------------ "Time in a Bottle" Visited | ----------------------------------- From The Editor """"""""""""""" by Lyle Syverson, Editor, _The Lamp!_ , Time in a Bottle is an awesome collection of software for the Apple II computers. Most of the GEnie A2 Library on two CD's. Sitting on a shelf near your Apple II. The CD's are in HFS format so you will need to use a IIgs, a Mac, or a PC with special utilities to open or copy the files. To you use this collection with your IIgs you will need a CD-ROM drive. One source would be: Alltech Electronics - 760-724-2404 - fax 760-724-8808 2618 Temple Heights, Oceanside, CA 92056 I bought and installed this SCSI drive: External 4x SCSI CD-ROM (Matsushita/Apple CD 600) There are multiple ways to find the file you need. The one I especially liked was the AllFiles.SHK found on each of the two CD's. When this file is unshrunk you have a huge Appleworks Database which includes all the files available. Use the search function to locate a file or group of files to meet your needs. Once you have your computer equipped with a CD-ROM drive you will want to check on other CD's that are available for your Apple II. Ken Gagne has written a great summery of what is available. You can access it at this URL: http://www.a2central.com/features/2000-08/26-cdrom/ [EOA] ASCII ART BEGINS _________ _ _ _ |__ __| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |___ ____ | | _____ __ ___ _ _ _____ | | | | | ___ \ / __ \ | | /____ \ | v v | | v ___ \ | | | | | | | | | /__\ \ | | ____| | | /\ /\ | | / \ \ | | | | | | | | | _____| | | / ___ | | || || | | | | | |_| | | | | | | | |_____ | |____ | |__| | | || || | | \___/ / _ |_| |_| |_| \______| |______| \____^_| |_||_||_| | |\____/ |_| | | | | |_| ASCII ART ENDS [EOA] DISTILLATIONS from Delphi A2 """""""""""""""""""""""""""" by Lyle Syverson [SCC] SILVERN CASTLE v5.1 COMING """""""""""""""""""""""""" Version v5.1 is now finished and should be showing up for download anytime soon! Bugs fixed: -Using the wrong key on a locked door when you are carrying more than 8 keys now works correctly. -Reverting party slaughter on levels 1-2 now works properly. Since reverting on these levels was without penalty it used the same flag value as deleting the saved game-now there is a 1 year penalty to avoid this. -Level 1 chests can now never be empty or always unlocked. -Scenario descriptions updated to clear-up confusion about the different scenarios. Changed: -Guild create character respects coinage preference when assigning initial money. -The missing message "-next" is now shown at the store. Also, now this command is only accepted when you actually have a second group of items (it beeps otherwise). New: -You can scroll through the store faster with the open-apple-jump command. Pressing OA and a number key jumps in large increments. Thanks to Bruce Baker for suggesting this! -Activating teleporter traps now are more noticeable-they display "ZOOM" on the screen. Jeff Fink (FINKSTERJ, 33027, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" Just as v5.1 was going out the door, I found a last minute bug: Entering the Guild when no characters exist loops forever. This has been around since v4.0. You can work around it by creating a dummy character in any pre-v4.0 release, then updating to v5.0 until the v5.1 release, which fixes this, hits the A2 sites. (FINKSTERJ, 33079, GO COM A2) [EOA] [SCF] SILVERN CASTLE FREEWARE ANNOUNCEMENT """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Important Freeware Announcement: As of v5.1, I'm changing the status of Silvern Castle to a freeware product. Since the first release in July 1999, I have only received 9 paid registrations, and none since Y2K. Therefore, Silvern Castle will no longer have a shareware status. However, to get a unique registration serial number and password to unlock all features of Silvern Castle, and to access the additional scenarios, I must insist you request one by email. In this way, I can notify those who register with future update releases, and provide some limited support and help. By the way, I'll certainly accept the original $15 fee, or any donation, from anyone who wishes to support my programming efforts. By requesting a >free< registration number, you will be sent instructions on how to get the talisman from Ragon's Lab (you cannot complete the first scenario without it), and you will be able to access future scenarios (including the additional second and third ones that have already been released). Also, by registering, the shareware patrols on the deeper levels, as well as most of the annoying ambushes will no longer menace your party. I hope no one who paid the shareware fee is upset by this announcement. If it wasn't for your support I wouldn't have released the 7 updates and 2 additional scenarios. What I wish to accomplish by changing Silvern Castle to freeware status is to increase the user base. If I don't get an additional viable support base who appreciates my work, I will be left without any incentive to continue further releases. At this point, Silvern Castle rests in the hands of the A2 community. Please support those who continue to support the A2. II Infinitum, Jeff Fink { finkjsc@yahoo.com} (FINKSTERJ, 33028, GO COM A2) [EOA] [FDM] FORWARDING DELPHI MAIL """""""""""""""""""""" > You can also forward your (Delphi) mail from here elsewhere... For those of us with short memory retention, would you explain how to set it up to forward? (again) Thanks. Cindy (CINDYADAMS, 32673, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" From the mail page, simply enter: SET FORWARD IN%"""myemail@whereiwantmailsentto.com""" Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution (RSUENAGA, 32676, GO COM A2) [EOA] [TIB] TIME IN A BOTTLE CD COLLECTION - THE GEnie A2 SOFTWARE ON YOUR SHELF """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ++++ ANNOUNCING ++++ Juiced.GS proudly presents ... The Time in a Bottle CD Collection, a two-disc compilation based on the Syndicomm Genie Apple II Roundtable and Apple II Programmers Roundtable libraries. Genie, the center of the Apple II universe for many years, finally shut down in early 1999. But the thousands of library files -- almost 15,000 in all -- were preserved by Syndicomm and are now available on CD-ROM to the Apple II community exclusively through Juiced.GS. The files were sorted, organized and prepared for distribution by Ryan Suenaga, a longtime staffer in Syndicomm forums and a leader in the Apple II community. He unveiled the CD project at KFest 2000 and made it available to attendees during the KFest Vendor Fair. Now, the set of two labeled CDs are available for purchase (in a jewel case!) for the rest of the Apple II world. Packed onto the CDs are more than 1.1 gigabytes of public domain, freeware, shareware and reclassified/freely distributable commercial software. The CDs are in HFS format, and all library file descriptions remain intact. In addition to software files are the many forum archives preserved through the years. Time in a Bottle can be purchased from Juiced.GS for $50, which includes shipping to anywhere in the world. To order, send check or money order in U.S. funds to: Max Jones JuicedGS 2217 Lakeview Drive Sullivan, IN 47882 Credit card orders are also accepted at the Juiced.GS Online Order Processing Site at: http://order.kagi.com/?2ZM Apple II Forever!! -- Max Jones -- Juiced.GS -- http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs (JUICEDGS, 32731, GO COM A2) [EOA] [TCL] THE COMPLEAT LAMP! CD-ROM """"""""""""""""""""""""" ++++ ANNOUNCING ++++ Juiced.GS proudly presents ... The Compleat Lamp! -- a current, up-to-date CD-ROM collection of every issue of GenieLamp A2, GenieLamp A2Pro and The Lamp! in every format it's ever been done in. Comes in a jewel case, labeled and in HFS format. The Compleat Lamp can be purchased from Juiced.GS for $15, which includes shipping to anywhere in the world. To order, send check or money order in U.S. funds to: Max Jones JuicedGS 2217 Lakeview Drive Sullivan, IN 47882 Credit card orders are also accepted at the Juiced.GS Online Order Processing Site at: http://order.kagi.com/?2ZM Apple II Forever!! -- Max Jones -- Juiced.GS -- http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs (JUICEDGS, 32732, GO COM A2) [EOA] [SHP] SPECCIE'S HOME PAGE SWITCHED """""""""""""""""""""""""""" Spectrum, COG and SAM support ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please note that I have switched my home pages to: This site has always been active, but is now my main and only home pages. The A2 WebRing now points to that address and there is no mirroring to the Compuserve US site. In due course I shall be shutting down my Compuserve account as I no longer have any need of it. There is just no A2 traffic left on CIS to worry about anymore, so I can save the monthly standing charge to keep the account... Ewen Wannop - Speccie Delivered without using a IIgs by Spectrum 2.3 & Crock O' Gold 3.3 Bernie ][ the Rescue 2.5.1 woofing at 55Mhz on a G3/350 Home Pages: http://www.btinternet.com/~ewannop/ (EWANNOP, 32913, GO COM A2) [EOA] [SSR] Sweet16 1.5.1 RELEASED """""""""""""""""""""" I have just released Sweet16 1.5.1. Changes in this version: 1. The "magic" and "creator" fields of Universal Disk Image files are now understood in both big and little endian formats, since some software writes them backward. 2. The "data length" field of Universal Disk Image files is now filled out correctly; current software generally ignores this field, but at least now it's correct. 3. Control-Apple-F12 will reset the Apple IIgs. 4. The ROM file's name can be any of "Apple2GS.ROM", "APPLE2GS.ROM", "Apple2GS.ROM2", or "APPLE2GS.ROM2". 5. You can now specify a port number when connecting with serial-via-network by adding a comma and the port number to the dial string. For example: "ATDT { www.apple.com,80"} to connect to port 80 at { www.apple.com.} 6. Fixed the last known bug in the Mount Physical Disks code; that window should no longer crash under any circumstances. Eric (Sheppy) Shepherd sheppy@sheppyware.net http://www.sheppyware.net (SHEPPY, 32985, GO COM A2) [EOA] [IMR] ImageMaker 2.0 RELEASED """"""""""""""""""""""" I've released ImageMaker 2.0. ImageMaker, briefly, is a utility for creating disk image files for use in emulation software, or for making archives of your disks. It supports Universal Disk Image (2img), DiskCopy 4.2, DiskCopy 6, and raw formats. Changes in the new version: 1. Added support for batch mode, in which you can make lots of images quickly from the same drive. After each image is made, the disk is ejected and you're asked for another disk. 2. Now uses the DiskCopy creator code for DiskCopy 4.2 and DiskCopy 6 images. 3. Now supports 400 KB and 720 KB sizes for DiskCopy 4.2 images. 4. Plays the Bad Disk sound if an I/O error occurs, and Task Completed when imaging finishes (except in batch mode). 5. Added the option to ignore bad blocks, and to add Universal Disk Image files a list of the bad blocks. 6. Also, AppleShare volumes are no longer listed in the disk picker, since you can't make images of them anyway. ImageMaker is shareware and costs $5. You can get more information and download the software at . Eric (Sheppy) Shepherd sheppy@sheppyware.net http://www.sheppyware.net (SHEPPY, 33107, GO COM A2) [EOA] [GID] GShisen 1.2.1 IN DATABASE """"""""""""""""""""""""" Name: GSHISEN2K.BXY (Entertainment Software) Date: 9-SEP-2000 04:13 By: KWS Size: 34688 GShisen 1.2.1 (aka 2000). A popular strategy/puzzle game semi-similar to mah jong. This version fixes a bug in the "New Game By ID" menu item, and a bug where selecting a new tile set doesn't redraw the tiles properly. Please contact the author before redistributing. (TONYW1, 32996, GO COM A2) [EOA] [WFL] WATCH FOR THE CD-ROM "DeluxeWare" """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Now it can be told... A few weeks back, I made mention of a CD-ROM from France that will soon be available from Shareware Solutions II. The name of the CD is DeluxeWare, named by and after its creators. So, their web site might be gone, but Brutal Deluxe's legacy will live on...on CD-ROM! Once available, a 2nd bonus CD - entitled "Le CD-ROM" - will be included free-of-charge. Created by Brutal Deluxe for the French Apple IIGS User Group, Le CD-ROM almost defies description. For the most part, it's really intended to be viewed on a Mac or PC, as it contains QuickTime movies that are Apple II related. What's prevented me from making those 2 CDs available is that I feel it's absolutely necessary for me to catalog DeluxeWare. And, with 600 or more megabytes of Apple II/IIGS software on it, that's time consuming. Once released, the cost will be $25 for the 2 CD package, and you'll be able to order it via credit card from the SSII Kagi site. I'll let you all know when. And no, that's not the incredible earth-shaking announcement that Shareware Solutions II has planned for the near future ;-) Joe Kohn http://users.foxvalley.net/~joko (JOE_KOHN, 33054, GO COM A2) [EOA] [ILP] IMPRESSIVE LIST OF PROGRAMS FOR USE WITH MARINETTI """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" What programs are there for TCP/IP and the IIGs? TCP/IP Stack: ------------ Title: Marinetti Version: v2.0.1 Author: Richard Bennett Available from: Marinetti Web Page http://www.apple2.org/marinetti/ Web browsers: ------------ Title: Arachnid preview release 2 by Kim Howe Version: Preview release 2 Author: Kim Howe Available from: Kim Howe's Web Site http://www.omninet.net.au/~khowe/arachnid/index.html Title: Spectrum Internet Suite (aka SIS) Version: v1.1 (v1.1.1 is in the works) Author: Geoff Weiss Available from: My eSource Web Site http://www.myesource.com/sevenhills/applesoftware/sis/sis.htm E-mail: ------ Title: Spectrum Automated Mailer (aka SAM) Version: v1.2 Author: Ewen Wannop Available from: Shareware Solutions II http://users.foxvalley.net/~joko/sam.html FTP: --- Title: gwftp Version: v1.1b2 Author: Geoff Weiss Available from: Delphi's A2 Forum File Library Shareware Solutions II http://www.foxvalley.net/~joko/ Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs/ Telnet: ------ Title: Telnet Version: v1.0 Author: Richard Bennett Available from: Marinetti Home Page http://www.apple2.org/marinetti/ (included in the Marinetti archive) Title: Spectrum Version: v2.3 (v2.2 was the first Marinetti aware version) Author: Ewen Wannop Available from: My eSource Web Site http://www.myesource.com/sevenhills/applesoftware/iigs/sp.htm Instant Chat: ------------ Title: gsAIM (AOL Instant Messenger client) Version: v1.1 Author: Eric "Sheppy" Shepherd Available from: Sheppyware Web Site http://www.sheppyware.net/products/a2/gsaim/ Utilities: --------- Title: finger, ping and whois Version: I don't think they have versions Author: Geoff Weiss Available from: Included with gwftp and are shell based utilities Delphi's A2 Forum Library Shareware Solutions II http://www.foxvalley.net/~joko/ Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs/ Title: TimeZone CDEV and Tool Version: v1.0.3 Author: Geoff Weiss Available from: Delphi's A2 Forum Library Shareware Solutions II http://www.foxvalley.net/~joko/ Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs/ Title: Hash Tool Version: v1.0 Author: Geoff Weiss Available from: Delphi's A2 Forum Library Shareware Solutions II http://www.foxvalley.net/~joko/ Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs/ Did I miss anything? :-) There is also still more internet software in the works that haven't been released yet. :-) Jeff Blakeney Dean of the Apple II University in the A2Pro forum (JBLAKENEY, 33126, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" > Title: TimeZone CDEV and Tool > Title: Hash Tool These tools do not require Marinetti at all. They were developed to be used for Marinetti-based applications, but they can be used by applications which do not use Marinetti at all. Geoff (SISGEOFF, 33134, GO COM A2) [EOA] [SFC] A SOURCE FOR CABLES """"""""""""""""""" I came across an interesting catalog at the college I work at that apparently is a source of cables and supplies, including cables for, as they list on a page heading, the IIGS, and the Apple IIC/IIE. The company is called A-1 Net, Inc. and their prices are very reasonable--in fact they seem fairly inexpensive (yes, I know--you get what you pay for. :) ) I thought I'd offer their name, webpage and phone number as a source for reference: Telephone: 909-595-0450 and webpage is at: http://www.a1netusa.com You can find their entire catalog online, and if you have a graphics web browser, you can find the Apple II stuff on page 11. They claim no minimum order size and no handling fee. Some of the cables noted are DB25 serial to IWII, //c to modem, //c to DB25 printer, and even an IBM PC to IW. later.......Howard (HKATZ, 33100, GO COM A2) [EOA] [FAS] FIRST eBay AUCTION FOR SUPPORT OF A2Central """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" A2Central.com's first eBay auction to attempt to raise funds for future development has begun! We're auctioning off a never-used, still-in-shrinkwrap RamWorks III card for the Apple //e. Add 1 MB of RAM to your //e! Visit { http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=441642199} to bid. Eric (Sheppy) Shepherd sheppy@sheppyware.net http://www.sheppyware.net (SHEPPY, 33146, GO COM A2) [EOA] [BWC] BYTE WORKS CD... WOULD YOU BUY IT? """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Hi all, I was recently asked about the possibility of putting all of the Byte Works' products onto a collection CD. I have my doubts about whether such a thing would sell enough to make it worth doing, but I promised to check. What we're talking about would be a CD with all of the Byte Works programs, but not the APDA programs. A few Byte Works programs would not be included because of contractual arrangements. This includes ORCA/Disassembler, Talking Tools, Ugly Duckling and Design Master. All of the other Byte Works products could be on the CD, both the Apple II and Apple IIGS versions. This includes the ORCA programming languages, the Quick Click productivity software and GSoft BASIC. For a complete list, see { http://www.byteworks.org.} Most of our documentation was done in Microsoft Word, and could be supplied in Word format on the CD. Some of the Apple II software was done with some really old word processors, and I probably can't recover the text in machine readable format without more work that I am likely to put into this project. There is one notable exception: Microsoft Word refuses to read the ORCA/C 2.0 documentation. All I have is ASCII. It's possible, but a bit of work, to create PDF files. Considering the number of programs involved, the work is not unsubstantial, so I would have to expect a lot of response to justify that effort. I could make printed documentation available as well, but that would cost a bit. It's also barely possibly I might collect all of the source and make that available on a separate release. That would require a license, signed in advance, limiting the orders to those sent by mail. With all of this in mind, if you are interested, please answer these questions: 1. Is Mac OS HFS OK for the format, or would you need a dual-platform (Mac/Windows) format? 2. What is the best format for the documentation? The reasonably viable choices are Word, PDF and ASCII. 3. Would you want the CD to contain Apple II disk images or simply folders? If the CD contains disk images, what program should be used? Think about your answer to #1! 4. Would it bother you that the CD was a CD-R and not a mass-produced CD? (It would be in a nice jewel case with appropriate printed covers.) 5. How much would you pay for this product? 6. Would you me interested in source code? If so, how much additional would you pay? Mike Westerfield (BYTEWORKS, 33157, GO COM A2) [EOA] [FCD] A FASTER CD_ROM DRIVE FOR THE Apple II """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" I'm feeling a need for a faster CD player but I'm not sure which drives are compatible so I'm hoping that if someone's using a drive faster than a 4x with a Ramfast SCSI card they would be kind enough to tell me which drive they're using. Wayne (WAYNEJ, 32700, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" Wayne, I'm using a Toshiba 40x CDROM drive with my RamFAST. Works great. The Toshiba model number is XM6401B, I believe. Later, - Aaron (APULVER, 32729, GO COM A2) <<<<< """"" Thanks Aaron, A 40x would do nicely. Hope they're still available new, which would save a lot of searching. Wayne (WAYNEJ, 32733, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" Well, www.dirtcheapdrives.com has the XM6401B listed under CD-ROM Drives / SCSI Internal CD ROM Drives, so you should be able to get one (from them or elsewhere) without too much trouble. Put it in a case and you're ready to go. Later, - Aaron (APULVER, 32734, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" Yeahbut...at what point does the speed become irrelevant, since you're constricted by the SCSI-1 interface and the processing power of the machine? Would that be at 16X? I'm not trying to nitpick, I'm just curious...because the bare drive was still $77 and I was thinking if there was an older model at say 30X, it might be just as fast since perhaps the other 10x were wasted... ~Tarage Email: { tarage@bellsouth.net} (TARAGE, 32906, GO COM A2) >>>>> Well the RamFAST and Apple HS SCSI can transfer a maximum of 1MB/sec on an Apple IIGS, which means anything faster than a 6X-8X is pointless. Of course that is talking about its peak rate, which is rarely ever attained, with the average transfer rate being somewhere between 200-400K/sec (maybe not that exactly, but _well_ below the peak rate). I would say a 4X or 6X drive would be optimal, with a 2 or 3X still being quite respectable for the GS's needs. My main concern when looking for a SCSI CD-ROM is whether it can read most CDR's (some drives have trouble with certain colors) and if it can play audio CD's. Mitchell Spector { spec@total.net} (SPECTOR1, 32910, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" > Yeahbut...at what point does the speed become irrelevant, since you're > constricted by the SCSI-1 interface and the processing power of the > machine? Would that be at 16X? More like a 6x or 8x drive. On the other hand, the access time for a faster drive is usually (but not always) less than for a slower drive. For me, the access time is more important than the transfer rate. If you just want something faster than a 2x drive, however, 40x is overkill (as I said). In my case, I have other machines I could use the drive in if it didn't work with the RamFAST, so why buy a slower drive? Later, - Aaron (APULVER, 32926, GO COM A2) [EOA] [HDP] HARD DRIVE PROBLEMS """"""""""""""""""" One of my club members (OACC) has a Western Digital Hard Drive. External, model WD40AP. He had not used it for some time and now he can NOT get it to boot up. He has data that he would like to retrieve. Does anyone have suggestions to get the drive to work again. When trying to boot as the primary drive, SCSI error msg's appear. We tried to boot with 3.5 inch drive disks and that worked. The desktop listed everything but the Western Digital HD. The light would come on for a bit, but no action on the Desk Top. Any suggestions? We are using an Apple ][GS ROM1 and Apple High Speed SCSI card. Mack (MACKDUNCAN, 32765, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" Turn it upside down, give it a violent shake. It may start up, y'never know. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution (RSUENAGA, 32770, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" If the trouble was only with bad blocks, the desktop would ask if you want to eject or format it. This would point to the drive being stuck. Shaking might loosen it. Also make sure the 3.5 boot disk has scsi drivers. An error message usually happens if the drivers are missing and the scsi card is detected. I would run the scsi utilities just to see what they say when they look at the drive. Make sure a write isn't done... - James (JAMES3000, 32773, GO COM A2) [EOA] [UCR] A2Central.com UNDER CONSTRUCTION... RELAX... """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" So we're all in "hurry up and wait" mode, fretting over something we all care about, wishing we had more input into a project that is still in development (and that someone else "owns"). Opinions (indirectly sanctioned, yet officially unsolicited) were voiced, tempers were tested and people got miffed. It's a little early for folks to be getting uptight (if any reason exists at all) - nothing tangible has really happened yet that warrants this kind of anxiety or hostility. Let us not forget who is involved here - a group of well-meaning, devoted Apple II users - a community of friends. Sorry for the sermon, but I think this thread has just been a tremendous waste of everybody's emotional energy. Let's cool off. (SFAHEY, 32938, GO COM A2) [EOA] [MMP] DOES THIS MAKE ME A PIRATE? """"""""""""""""""""""""""" Hi everyone, I've been using Apple II computers since I was 6 years old. (18 years). I've seen the flamewars regarding piracy and copying, and the Asimov archive, and I just have to ask a question... Does it make me a pirate... ...to archive all of my disintegrating 5.25 disks onto my GS's hard drive, to my PC, to a CD-ROM, in order to make sure that I don't lose anything more out of my collection? ...to buy a copy of a $100.00 (back in the 80s) software package for fifty cents, and then to archive it so I'll have it? ...to not throw away copied software that was -given- to me by friends chucking their Apple II equipment, or not throw away copied disks bought with an Apple II at a yardsale, and archiving these too? ...to enjoy the games that I was given, or bought secondhand (at aforementioned yard sales), nearly twenty years after some of it was written? Or... should I just throw everything I've got away, and my Apple II equipment with it? While I could conceivably write my own games and software, or buy the few new titles that come out, should I adhere to a strict morality and throw out all that which makes my Apple II a viable platform (for me) just for the sake of overthrowing software piracy? I honestly don't know. I support software authors in the view that copying software is a bad thing. But when the authors, software companies, and copies of some software (NOTE: *some* software) is long gone, is it truly a crime to keep it, even though the copy that was received is exactly that, an illegal copy? I am, and probably always will be, an average Apple II user. I use my copy of AppleWorks 2.0 on a 128k IIe and my IIgs for my personal journal, and to write poetry and such. I play games like Master of the Lamps because they're the only games I really enjoy. I use my bound copy of an archive of OpenApple and A2Central magazines when I'm stuck with a problem. And I know enough Applesoft Basic to write whatever simple utility that I think I need. But, do I have to give all of this up? Do I have to throw away all of the VCR tapes I've made of movies and TV shows because they're copies and not bought from NBC or CBS or whoever? Do I throw away the audio tapes given to me by friends because I never bought the albums? Do I burn my A2Central archive book because I didn't even know about them when they existed? Do I throw away my Apple II equipment because I never bought anything from Apple itself in my life? Maybe I'm going to extremes, but as I said, I'm an average user who would like to know what he can do to have his software, and eat it too (so to speak). (I don't, just for reference, give out my software collection. It is mine, for my use, and for those in my household to use when they are on one of my Apple IIs.) Josef (JOSEFCUB, 32306, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" In message 'Does it make me a pirate?' JOSEFCUB said: > Maybe I'm going to extremes, .... Josef, I think that's the operative phrase in your post. I believe that you ARE going to extremes. Those who publicly and steadfastly oppose Apple II piracy, and are not afraid to speak out about it, are primarily targeting their outrage at a few online archive creators and maintainers whose standards for providing access to software titles are lax, if non-existent. They post titles on a whim without regard to the copyright holder's wishes, then claim it's up to the copyright holder to object rather than their moral responsibility to ask permission first. Twisted reasoning, to be sure. The pirates try to shift the argument away from their actions by alleging that anti-piracy folks are attacking normal Apple II users. That's absurd, but in some cases the claim manages to divert attention from the real issue at hand. You can do your part to uphold reasonable standards of responsibility by acknowledging that online archive creators/maintainers must gain permission to upload out-of-print commercial software titles before doing so. Is that too much to ask? Max Jones Juiced.GS http://www.wbwip.com/juiced.gs (JUICEDGS, 32311, GO COM A2) <<<<< """"" Max, You are absolutely right... and I appreciate that you explained things in a way I could understand. The way the archive maintainers are treating the software /is/ wrong, and claiming the authors/opponents of piracy attack normal users is wrong. My part is to not support such sites, by visiting their site or downloading the software contained there. [Semi-off-topic: Funny thing is, I never actually managed to get into Asimov, or make sense of it... I guess it's just as well, learning (now that I've read a few (hundred) posts here.) about the site containing pirated software. Nor, as a matter of a fact, have I gotten any PC-to-GS utilities to work when I've downloaded GS or 8-bit software... I download with a Mac, to a ProDOS disk, and pray that GS-ShrinkIt! will deal with the file...] Thank you, Max, for your explanations and for helping me understand the issue more. Take Care! Josef ...who would probably jump off of the nearest bridge if he had to burn his A2Central archive book anyhow. It's also a great historical reference to the computer politics of the years it covered.:) (JOSEFCUB, 32316, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" > Does it make me a pirate... > ...to archive all of my disintegrating 5.25 disks onto my GS's hard > drive, to my PC, to a CD-ROM, in order to make sure that I don't lose > anything more out of my collection? Heavens no. The copyright law specifically allows for that sort of copying. ("Shrinkwrap" software licenses are nonsense, and despite what the publishers would have you think, not legally binding at ALL.) > ...to buy a copy of a $100.00 (back in the 80s) software package for > fifty cents, and then to archive it so I'll have it? Perfectly legal, price when new has nothing to do with it. > ...to not throw away copied software that was -given- to me by friends > chucking their Apple II equipment, or not throw away copied disks bought > an Apple II at a yardsale, and archiving these too? Nothing wrong with ARCHIVING, whether you own it legally or not. > ...to enjoy the games that I was given, or bought secondhand (at > aforementioned yard sales), nearly twenty years after some of it was > written? Why on earth would you think THAT would make you a pirate, that's what the stuff is for. > Or... should I just throw everything I've got away, and my Apple II > equipment with it? While I could conceivably write my own games and > software, or buy the few new titles that come out, should I adhere to a > strict morality and throw out all that which makes my Apple II a viable > platform (for me) just for the sake of overthrowing software piracy? Using (and archiving) old software isn't piracy, no one ever said it was. The views of the anti pirate faction are often misrepresented by the pirates. Gary R. Utter (UTTER, 32317, GO COM A2) [EOA] [LEC] MYSTERY SOLVED - THE LANceGS ETHERNET CARD """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Many of you have probably forgotten by now, but a few years ago Shawn Behrens posted some pictures and speculation about a "mystery card" that was being worked on for the Apple II. Well, looks like it is no longer is a mystery. :) (and it certainly turned out _not_ to be the hoax many of us, myself included, suspected it might be). Look at this photos in Behrens' page, especially not the final picture at the bottom of the page: { http://people.delphi.com/sbehrens/mystery.htm} Then jump over to Sheppy's A2Central page, at this URL, comparing the first picture image shown and draw your own conclusions: { http://www.a2central.com/site/lancegs/install/index.html} Mitchell Spector { spec@total.net} (SPECTOR1, 32492, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" Yes. ///SHH Systeme apparently tried two or three times to build an ethernet card, each time refining the design somewhat, eventually culminating in the LANceGS card that's just starting to trickle into the hands of lustful Apple II users. Eric (Sheppy) Shepherd sheppy@sheppyware.net http://www.sheppyware.net (SHEPPY, 32493, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" > 20KBytes/sec or more. I seriously doubt the IIgs can ever get to 10 megabits per second. The biggest factor is the 1 MHz bus. There is only so much data that you can pass over that. Also, gwftp can probably be optimized for the ethernet card to give it better performance. It is optimized for a PPP dial-up connection right now. I remember Fetch being optimized at one point for higher speed networks so I'm sure I can so the same for gwftp. Unlike some people, I still have to wait for mine ;) Geoff (SISGEOFF, 32573, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" Based on some tests I did opposing the ones Sheppy did, it appears that on substantially large files the LANceGS is currently about 4-5x as fast as a best case null modem 56k connect. When the cards actually get to me, I'll do some more formal testing. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution (RSUENAGA, 32635, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" And we should point out that gwftp is tuned for dialup, not for ethernet. Once Geoff has his LANceGS card, I expect we'll see a gwftp update to improve performance. Eric (Sheppy) Shepherd sheppy@sheppyware.net http://www.sheppyware.net (SHEPPY, 32647, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" > gwftp is tuned for dialup, not for ethernet. Not only should gwftp be tuned for ethernet, but it is possible that Marinetti needs to be tuned as well. At the very worst speed, gwftp should operate similarly to file transfer via Appleshare. And since we are taking about ethernet tuning, I wonder what the Zip setting should be for the slot with LANceGS--slow or fast? Geoff (SISGEOFF, 32651, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" According to Joachim, the ZipGS speed setting shouldn't make any difference, due to the method by which the card's data is fetched by the software through I/O space. On the other hand, he suspects that a TWGS might help slightly. However, again, the main bottleneck right now is the software. He fully believes that with proper software, the card should be capable of speeds well in excess of the 100KByte/sec range. Eric (Sheppy) Shepherd sheppy@sheppyware.net http://www.sheppyware.net (SHEPPY, 32672, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" Thanks Sheppy, I understand a teensy bit better. But I'm still trying to understand how a //gs will be recognized on a pc network. But a //gs would be able to use a dsl or cable modem. Would proterm work if I just put it into online mode? I guess I'd need a shell account to log onto. Bruce (BRB, 32693, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" Unless ProTERM is updated to support the LANceGS card, you would have to use Spectrum to access your DSL or cable modem (I've done this myself). Eric (Sheppy) Shepherd sheppy@sheppyware.net http://www.sheppyware.net (SHEPPY, 32701, GO COM A2) [EOA] [ECF] WHAT IS AN ETHERNET CARD GOOD FOR? """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Excuse my ignorance but what is an ethernet card for? Would I have any use for one, owning two GSs and a IIe with no other computers nor any plans to get any other ones? MT Steve (S_BERNBAUM, 32658, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" There are two things an ethernet card is good for: 1. Connecting to other computers in your home. 2. Connecting to the Internet using a cable modem or DSL modem (or other broadband Internet connection). Eric (Sheppy) Shepherd sheppy@sheppyware.net http://www.sheppyware.net (SHEPPY, 32666, GO COM A2) [EOA] [RIC] READING PC GENERATED ISO9660 CD ON THE Apple IIgs """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" I didn't realize that I could read a PC generated ISO9660 CD on the GS. Won't there be problems with partition size, or is it like a HFS volume as far as the GS is concerned ? And I assume multi-session is out of the question ! thanks, Mark. (LUKE65816, 32892, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" Partition sizes don't particularly matter. To be honest, I'm not sure about multisession discs; I do know that you can read CDs with multiple partitions though. Eric (Sheppy) Shepherd sheppy@sheppyware.net http://www.sheppyware.net (SHEPPY, 32893, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" The IIgs has been able to read ISO9660 CDs even longer than it has been able to read HFS partitions. > Won't there be problems with partition size, or is it like a HFS volume > as far as the GS is concerned ? It's like an ISO9660 volume as far as the IIgs is concerned :) Again, however, all the naming conventions must be followed or the IIgs will choke on it. I know in this day and age folks are used to really long file and volume names with all kinds of characters in them, but if they expect the IIgs to read the CD, they have to go back and look at the standard. > And I assume multi-session is out of the question ! I don't know anything 'bout using multi session CDs, sorry. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution (RSUENAGA, 32896, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" I tried multisession CDs a while back with no luck on my Apple IIs or any friends that tried reading them. My original thought was to use multisessions as a way of partitioning a CD. I thought it would be a great to have each of the 6.0.1 installation disks on a separate partition. Instead, since I could only read one session, I produced a few 800k CDs before I realized I could make single session partitioned CDs. Wayne (WAYNEJ, 32908, GO COM A2) [EOA] [DVW] Delphi VIA WEB SIDE WITH Apple IIgs """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Question from the editor... Is there a way to access the Delphi web side using an Apple II computer? >>>>> """"" Yes. Use Lynx 2.7.1 or later. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution (RSUENAGA, 32962, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" > Yes. Use Lynx 2.7.1 or later. Well... I tried it. After 30 minutes I could not even find a place to log on... So I gave up! Lyle Syverson Editor, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi (LYLE837, 32965, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" I found it in like twenty seconds :) http://login.prospero.com/dir-login/index.asp?getDPref=0&webtag=APPLE2&lgnD ST=http%3A%2F%2Fforums%2Edelphi%2Ecom%2Fapple2%2Fstart%2F Just go to the "enter message board" link and hit it. you get prompted to sign in. Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W. -- rsuenaga@apple2.org Publisher, _The Lamp!_, published monthly on Delphi Posted by PTMM v2.5 - The integrated information solution (RSUENAGA, 32966, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" > Well... I tried it. After 30 minutes I could not even find a place to log > on... So I gave up! Here's how I do it. First I enter the URL { www.delphi.com\apple2\messages.} Lynx will show a page to select which frame I want. You should see selections for brandframe, navframe, and lower. Select navframe. The contents of navframe will be displayed by Lynx. Select Login. You'll be brought to another page. Select the already a user option. There's yet another page. Enter your user name, password, and then hit login. You should see the original page. Select the lower frame. Select the left frame and you're there. Easy as pie eh? And now you know why most Lynx users consider frames a work of the devil. Liam Busey (BUSEY, 32980, GO COM A2) >>>>> """"" I will be trying to make Arachnid able to access Delphi, but it will take a lot of work. My guess is text side access will break well before I finish. :( Kim Howe khowe@omninet.net.au (KHOWE1, 32967, GO COM A2) [EOA] DISTILLATIONS from Delphi A2PRO """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" by Lyle Syverson [APM] APPLE'S PASCAL 1.3 MANUAL STILL AVAILABLE """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Apple's Pascal 1.3 manual was essentially copied, too, and it is definitely huge. As it turns out, like all of the Apple II APDA products, it is also still available. See { http://www.byteworks.org} for details. Mike Westerfield (BYTEWORKS, 3192, GO COM A2P) [EOA] [AHG] APPLE II HISTORY - GEOS """"""""""""""""""""""" Dr. Dobb's programming magazine mentioned the Apple 2GS this month. It was an historical/political article. If my memory serves me right, they got the context of the 2GS wrong. They were talking about graphical user interfaces on top of operating systems and said that the GEOS system came out for the 2GS. My recollection is that GEOS was for the Apple IIe. Was there ever a 2GS specific version? - James (JAMES3000, 3182, GO COM A2P) >>>>> """"" No, there was never a IIgs specific version of GEOS that I ever heard of. However, not only did that article use the wrong model name for their example (and even spelled that wrong, apparently) they also didn't get a very good example of a GUI on top of an operating system. I've been lead to believe that GEOS uses its own disk operating system that happens to have a very similar structure (almost exact but adding the ability to use spaces in file names) to ProDOS. So, from what I understand, GEOS is a complete operating system on its own. Jeff Blakeney Dean of the Apple II University in the A2Pro forum (JBLAKENEY, 3185, GO COM A2P) >>>>> """"" The PC version of GEOS (although I think it went by a different name) was a GUI shell that sat on top of MS-DOS. GEOS on the Apple II sat on top of a heavily-hacked version of ProDOS. Eric (Sheppy) Shepherd sheppy@sheppyware.net http://www.sheppyware.net (SHEPPY, 3187, GO COM A2P) [EOA] LETTERS TO THE EDITOR: """"""""""""""""""""" [LTE] AN INVITATION ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Express your opinions about the comings and goings in the world of the Apple II computers. Send your comments to Lyle Syverson, Editor The Editor reserves the right to edit any material submitted. The Editor reserves the right to reject any material he considers unsuitable for publication in _The Lamp!_. [EOA] [KFT] KFest 2001 """""""""" Plan Ahead ~~~~~~~~~~ KFest 2001 is set for July 25-29 (early arrivals on July 24) at Avila College. Put it on your calender and start saving your money. You will be glad you did. [EOA] [INN]------------------------------ EXTRA INNINGS | ----------------------------------- About The Lamp! The Lamp! is published on the fifteenth of every month in """"""""""""""" the Database of the II Scribe Forum on the Delphi online service (GO CUS 11). 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